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It's /r/Planetside all over again: /r/history mod bans critic of Zimbabwe and demands he write an essay to apologize. (i.imgur.com)

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[–]nodeworx 131ポイント132ポイント  (9子コメント)

A popular sub banning somebody for having the 'wrong' opinion. Shocking that. /s

That said, subs like /r/history should be able to discuss history in a thorough and nuanced way. There is absolutely no reason for banning somebody because they don't agree with you or might not have research a certain subject to its most minute details.

Honest, open an nuanced discussion helps everybody learn something, banning somebody for an unpopular opinion in a sub like /r/history leaves everybody dumber.

History is by definition a contentious subject and real scholars of history know how much of written history is propaganda written by victors and dominant cultures. How can you learn anything by making the same mistakes?

A mod in such a subreddit should encourage nuanced debate, especially when the discussion goes beyond the most trite and accepted historical sources. As always it is those who push beyond the edges of what is known that advance human knowledge. Shutting down such a debate even before somebody holding a contrary opinion has the opportunity to provide supporting sources is a deplorable move.

History is messy and ugly and if you are one of the perpetually offended, how do you think you can ever become an effective scholar?

[–]Senbozakura222 54ポイント55ポイント  (8子コメント)

seriously this irks me to no avail about this and it screams revisionists. Anyone who would deny history whether it be good OR bad are beyond ignorant. These people who would us rather bury humanities mistakes fail to realize by doing so will inevitability cause us to repeat it.

that being said still want more context because as is this is relatively bare.

[–]videogameboss 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

These people who would us rather bury humanities mistakes fail to realize by doing so will inevitability cause us to repeat it.

that's the point. ending apartheid made life hellish for white people in africa.

[–]nodeworx 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Per definition history is more subtle and messy than this and any broad statement like this will inevitably be more wrong than correct.

However, it's a hypothesis that should serve as the starting point of what could be an interesting debate as long as everybody remains polite and reasonable, it's not a reason to ban anybody.

[–]marinuso [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

ending apartheid made life hellish for white people in africa.

Are you sure this sentence is one you want to be known for saying?

Apartheid made life hellish for black people and it's not like that's defensible. The problem is more that it has been inverted rather than abolished.

[–]Eladriol [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I mean you could argue that in many ways what has happened after is worse than before in Zimbabwe especially. But yeah it's difficult to argue that ending the concept of apartheid was a mistake, but it's relatively easy to argue that the methods used and the people chosen to take over have been mistakes in some areas.

[–]marinuso [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I agree with that, but 'ending apartheid made life hellish for white people in Africa' really isn't the way to express that position, for several reasons.

Ending apartheid is a good thing, may it happen. Everywhere. Putting Mugabe in power is not a good thing, but Mandela did alright.

[–]videogameboss [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Crime is a prominent issue in South Africa. South Africa has a very high rate of murders, assaults, rapes (adult, child, elderly and infant), and other crimes compared to most countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_South_Africa

[–]sunnyta [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

funny how you care more about the wellbeing of minorities if they happen to be white

[–]Alucard_V 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.