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SRS has banned NP links[META] (self.undelete)

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SRS has banned NP links, evincing yet again that they admins endorse their brigading, harassment, and past doxxing. This means that all submissions to that community of ~70k users have to begin with www., and not np. Meanwhile, every other non-SJW meta community lives in fear of being banned for not doing everything they can to actively stop brigading, as do users who speak out against SJWs, feminism, or the current Ellen Pao censorship.

https://np.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/39nwjh/meta_submitting_np_links_to_srs_is_now_banned/

SRSSucks discussion: https://np.reddit.com/r/SRSsucks/comments/39o2wi/srs_bans_np_links/

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[–]ChaosMotor 105ポイント106ポイント  (3子コメント)

At this point they are openly flaunting their "special little snowflake" status.

[–]Pinksters 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

SRS=Special Reddit Snowflake

[–]napoleongold 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

So i visited SRS for the first time in years and it seems to have turned into a mirror of FPH in a odd way. Except they actively want people to brigade.

[–]inyourface_milwaukee -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

The old, I don't get it so no one can have it trick? I stopped doing that in 1st grade

[–]KindaConfusedIGuess 77ポイント78ポイント  (18子コメント)

Do what I did and message the admins and tell them to ban the sub, the moderators of the sub and anyone who has submitted links to the sub without an np link.

[–]bonobosonson 62ポイント63ポイント  (13子コメント)

The admins are in bed with the mods there though, so that's never gonna happen.

[–]KindaConfusedIGuess 48ポイント49ポイント  (4子コメント)

The fact is, if we message the admins and they don't do anything about it, then it will just prove that fact without a shadow of a doubt.

[–]CarrollQuigley 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

Done:

http://imgur.com/W0vEKSw

[–]helpful_hank 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nicely done. Document everything. The simpler and clearer we make the case, the better. It doesn't have to be long -- it has to be stark.

[–]ClassicFlavour 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good point. I'm with this kinda confused guessing guy, I guess.

[–]genitaliban 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That proves absolutely nothing, the admins never required np links anywhere. It's just a community-internal convention.

[–]PrivilegeCheckmate 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

The admins are in bed with the mods there

There goes my appetite. C'mere /r/mindbleach.

[–]bonobosonson 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I used that phrasing deliberately. I seem to remember something about mods there sleeping with some of the admins or something. Can't remember what or where though, so I could easily be full of shit.

[–]PrivilegeCheckmate 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I could easily be full of shit.

You're the most refreshing guy on the internet, pal.

[–]billtheangrybeaver 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Must be one big ass bed.

[–]inyourface_milwaukee 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Like personally? Do you have some source on this?

[–]fritzlystill lolcats mod 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

No subreddit is required to use np links. /r/bestof didn't use them when they were a default.

[–]X-edOut -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good point, the np thing isn't really a big deal. But with that gone what flimsy argument will we use to confirm our biases? I suppose we could just keep repeating ad infinitum whatever we feel to be true about SRS without providing any evidence. That has proven to be very effective in the past.

[–]kochevnikov -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nothing says standing up for free speech like demanding censorship.

You're the real hypocrite.

[–]KindaConfusedIGuess -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you not understand that they're the sort of people that are trying to censor everybody else? While breaking Reddit's rules?

And they're getting away with it?

No, fuck them.

[–]banned_1_time 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is a step in the right direction. I can't stand np links (and I also can't stand SRS). I'm already a registered member of reddit.com, why can't I vote on anything I see here?

[–]junkit33 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

Subreddits have turned into something much more ego driven than I think Reddit ever intended. I agree with you completely though. Why use Reddit if you don't want outsiders in your forum? Just go use randomhobbyxyzforum.com like the other millions of people that do exactly that.

[–]MarquisDeSwag 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm much more disturbed by the risk of being shadowbanned for daring to participate in a discussion in a sub you don't subscribe to. If I'm down voting entire threads left and right, that's one thing, but just participating? What the hell is that shit?

Sorry that outside views break up the circlejerk, but there are plenty of topical forums out there.

[–]da_chicken 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eh, I don't mind NP links. However, it does annoy me that links on NP pages only go to other NP pages. Including the banner links at the top of the page. That's just needlessly frustrating. I generally have to use my browser's link or close the tab to get out of NP tarpit.

[–]Hubinator 44ポイント45ポイント  (3子コメント)

Also, friendly reminder that commenting in linked threads is a-OK and has never been against SRS rules or against reddit's rules.

So now they even publicly endorse harassment of users outside of their subreddit? Doesn't this collide with Pao's safe space rules?

[–]BrainSlurper 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

No because they are super special

[–]X-edOut 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Commenting = harassment?

[–]leon_oswald 29ポイント30ポイント  (17子コメント)

Do you really think NP actually stops anyone from participating? NP reminds me of this simpsons gag. If people want to brigade, harass, or doxx, I doubt a np link would stop them. If signs like that actually worked, we wouldn't have any school shooting either because all schools are "gun-free" zones.

Unlike the other 'non-SJW meta' communities, at least SRS is honest about not giving a shit about NP links.

[–]banned_1_time 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I remove the np and downvote like crazy because I was told not to.

[–]leon_oswald 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stickin' it to the man, one downvote at a time.

[–]junkit33 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

As somebody who turns off themes on desktop and uses mobile heavily, I didn't even know what the hell an NP link was until like a week ago.

Personally, I'll never understand why people get so worked up about one sub wandering into another sub. That's the entire point of Reddit. If you want to be an isolationist forum you can go do it anywhere else on the Internet. Part of being on Reddit IMO is you accept a diverse audience.

SRS is toxic and has many problems, but linking to other subs is not the issue.

[–]FranktheShank1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

but what about my precious invisible internet points? those bad people will take them from me

[–]AnotherCunningPlan 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well fucking said. I can't believe people actually get worked up about this stuff. Just make a private forum if you don't want people wandering in. Reddit has no obligation to pander to people like that.

[–]billtheangrybeaver 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think the real point is that they are knowingly doing something that is really common while being used as an excuse to ban certain subs.

[–]Owyn_Merrilin 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's why most of the meta subs use np links, anyway. It's not to keep the users from brigading, it's to try to avoid giving the admins an excuse to use the overly broad anti-brigading rules to shut them down. It's so broad that it ranges from "using reddit as intended" to "actively and intentionally manipulating the vote totals."

[–]billtheangrybeaver 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's so broad that it ranges from "using reddit as intended" to "actively and intentionally manipulating the vote totals."

Right, and how it is applied or interpreted dependant on their agenda.

[–]Nefandi 21ポイント22ポイント  (4子コメント)

Do you really think NP actually stops anyone from participating?

I think an np link is similar to a locked door. Of course a determined individual will break the door down or enter through a window. But we still put locks on our doors because it reminds people that maybe they shouldn't go inside.

[–]margobisbee 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's more like a wide open door with a stay out sign taped to it.

[–]Anderkent 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Still a clear message. Since most people don't know that you're not supposed to vote/comment on threads found by x-post, np. is a very good way of suggesting that - they'll either not vote because they can't, or not vote because they check what the np. thing is about and find out about the rule.

[–]FL4D 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Also, sometimes in x-posted threads I'd get to reading comments and would soon forget that I didn't just happen by this comment thread and I came from a sub linking to it. I would try to upvote or down vote and then remember I'm not supposed to do that.

[–]Owyn_Merrilin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It actually bugs me when it happens. Most of the time when I follow a link from something like /r/bestof, I'm subscribed to both subs. Why would it be brigading for me to vote in them? Why does it really matter how you got to a thread, as long as it wasn't a part of a concerted effort to manipulate the votes? I know a lot of the meta subs live in (justified) terror of getting in trouble for brigading, but it's justified more because of how vague the definition of brigading is than because they actually engage in it.

[–]manson_sucks 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

The developers of reddit could end brigading for good if they wanted to. Simply make the site turn all reddit.com links into np links. Then, if you visit a post from an np link, you're not allowed to vote or comment on that post at all, ever. I'm sure someone would write a browser extension to get rid of the np links, but anyone who installed the extension could be banned since the only purpose of installing it would be to brigade other subs.

[–]Jasper1984 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, afaics, np links dont even try stop anyone from posting. It is just a sign. Just changing that might make it more effective to casual users.

Sure an extension just turns the np link into a regular one, and submits the posts. It'd be a big mess to try stop it, because, you get potential false positives, and extension can try make themselves look like false positives.

Pointless cat-and-mouse, probably annoying legit users.

[–]leon_oswald 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

This site is already an echo chamber for whatever opinions you might hold. I think it's healthy to have dissenting opinions, even if they are coming from some other subs. If reddit created completely compartmentalized subreddits, it would likely lead to extremely biased and uninteresting discussions.

[–]carlinco 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't mind if np links were scrapped altogether. I see no point in them. They just annoy when you see something you'd like to vote for or against. Instead, there might be more subs where only subscribers can vote, or only people who also post, or such. Let's see how they fare in comparison to subs who allow everyone to vote.

I personally think it's annoying when snappy but otherwise useless and often repeated posts get lots of Karma and block the view to posts with some content. If some subs managed to solve such issues (or other issues which other people might have) - why not.

[–]ialwaysforgetmename 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

As much as SRS annoys me, this seems like a tangential stretch to this sub. Do we want to focus on deleted articles or potential vote brigades? Both are bad, but only one seems to be the point of this sub.

[–]AJ34 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

.....they arent even trying to seem legit anymore.

[–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://www.reddit.com/r/undelete/comments/39qd4w/undelete_has_banned_np_links/

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    [–]SuperConductiveRabbi[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Spoiler alert: one of the two sides in that fight would experience the righteous fury of the admins, and be struck down from on high.

    [–]IAmAnAnonymousCoward[M] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Removed. No calls for brigading here.

    [–]helpful_hank 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Considering the extra scrutiny they're sure to be under at the moment, this is surprising.

    [–]katyne -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You know that horribly disfigured, or severely disabled kid in school that always got away with shit the rest of you would've been expelled for? Little fucker was a complete asshole yet people pretended not to notice... it's kinda like that.

    "Just leave him alone dude. It's all he has. It's all he'll ever have".

    [–]StripTheFlesh 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    isn't 'np' a userbase invention? They don't provide a different functionality than, say, 'aa'.

    [–]JManRomania -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    i feel like they were smoking the crack