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Provocative billboard that just went up in Memphis TN today (i.imgur.com)

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[–]TAU_equals_2PI 187ポイント188ポイント  (38子コメント)

"Fred L. Davis Insurance Agency"

What if he's just trying to reduce the number of life insurance claims they have to pay out on?

[–]Animal_Machine 80ポイント81ポイント  (28子コメント)

If he is also black then he just pulled the teifecta of win/win/win

[–]Zombies_Are_Dead 61ポイント62ポイント  (25子コメント)

He is black, actually.

[–]moeburn 16ポイント17ポイント  (17子コメント)

Can't say I've ever known a black guy named Fred.

[–]kiefcutter 55ポイント56ポイント  (1子コメント)

Frederick Douglass?

[–]Zombies_Are_Dead 32ポイント33ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well Freddie Gray, the guy in Baltimore that died in police custody comes to mind as the most current Freddie I can think of.

[–]moeburn 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

oh yeah...

[–]BunnyPoopCereal 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did you forget already? #BlackLivesMatter

[–]dazednconfused4444 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fredrick Tipton aka "Freddie Gibbs"

[–]NECK-BEAR 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

Freddy from House of Cards

[–]feelbetternow 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_G._Sanford

[–]hadrianw 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

"...and if that's my check, then the "G" stands for 'goody goody gimmie and I'm gone'."

[–]nateaff 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fredrick Douglass

[–]HellaOld 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Freddie's dead

Edit- Not referencing Freddie Gray

[–]RobotBoysGoldStar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fred Sanford?

[–]PM_YOUR_BREASTS 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fred Jackson.

[–]OhSnappitySnap 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You need to get out more.

[–]ChoppyGomez 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Never seen Sanford & Son?

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    [–]TAU_equals_2PI 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If he isn't black, after putting up a billboard like that, he may want to buy some of that life insurance for himself.

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        [–]_420CakeDay 238ポイント239ポイント  (11子コメント)

        I was just about to kill another black guy today, but then I saw this billboard, and decided I need to quit my addiction.

        [–]Sydviciouz 25ポイント26ポイント  (6子コメント)

        INTERVENTION!

        [–]Bro_cock 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Are you drinking wine out of a soda can?

        [–]Gandalfs_Beard 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Your lips are stained red, you'r fooling nobody.

        [–]RBDtwisted 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

        HOW COME WE NEVER PLAY NIGHTCRAWLERS ANYMORE?

        [–]Choppin_Brokkoli 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Dammit this episode was just on a couple of days ago.

        "No one likes to have to salt the snail but you just have too!"

        [–]kawaiigardiner 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        We did it reddit!

        [–]StoopidNoodle [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Thanks for stopping by, and uh, don't expect a check in the mail.

        [–]ScrabCrab 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Another black guy as in you're black, or as in you've killed black guys before?

        [–]grizzlyking 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Good on you officer

        [–]dirkdice 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Not even once.

        [–]FatherGregori 108ポイント109ポイント  (127子コメント)

        Kendrick Lamar said it best:

        "...So why did I weep

        When Trayvon Martin was in the street,

        When gangbangin' make me kill a nigga

        Blacker than me. Hypocrite."

        [–]kawaiigardiner 38ポイント39ポイント  (4子コメント)

        What I think is amazing is how Zimmerman magically turned from hispanic to lilly white in a matter of a few hours. Too bad it was made a racially based murder when it was in reality an over reaction by 'rent a cop' with a gun.

        [–]hivoltage815 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

        I don't think you understood the issue and why it became a dialogue on race. Nobody serious is claiming Zimmerman was just out hunting black kids. They feel his "overreaction" was because he made immediate assumption due to the kids' skin color. It's certainly a common problem in America to shoot and ask questions later with black men, especially among police, which makes news stories like that prompt such discussion of race.

        At the end of the day Zimmerman has proved to be a violent and troubled person who has beat his wife and got in road rage incidents and frequent trouble with the law. I don't know if racial prejudice fueled his actions but I do know that at best he committed negligent homicide, especially given his pattern of so called "overreaction' and justice was not served.

        [–]PMmeyourMP5 48ポイント49ポイント  (120子コメント)

        Trayvon fought Zimmerman. Not sure why people continue to bring that up.

        [–]TheWindeyMan 19ポイント20ポイント  (11子コメント)

        There's also a fair chance that Zimmerman initiated physical contact (phone witness and Martin's cell phone being found on the ground), in which case Martin would be exercising his right to self defence and Zimmerman shot because he was losing.

        If you read the trial it was never proven that Martin started the fight, it just wasn't proven that Zimmerman did either.

        [–]sirbruce 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

        The preponderance of the evidence is that Martin started the fight. We know where Martin was when he was on the phone, we know where Zimmerman was, and then later, we know Martin was on top of Zimmerman. If Zimmerman had "caught up" with Martin and attacked him, the attack would have taken place in a different part of the complex. Instead, Martin must have turned around and come back to confront or attack Zimmerman. This is consistent with Zimmerman's account, and the account of witnesses.

        For Martin to be exercising his right to self defense, you'd have to think he circled around Zimmerman's vehicle, then walked/ran away, then decided to come back and peacefully talk to Zimmerman, whereupon Zimmerman decided to attack him, but not draw his gun for some reason.

        [–]TheWindeyMan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        The shooting location was between Zimmerman's truck and Martin's home, what other part of the complex would have made more sense? Plus IIRC there was no physical or eye witness evidence of what route both men took and Zimmerman didn't given any exact addresses in the 911 call, so the only evidence of the route being Zimmerman's word.

        [–]LingererLongerer 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

        Who do you think started the fight, the teen who had been kicked out of school for fighting as well as bragging about his many (almost daily) fights on twitter or the man who had just called the police, and knew they were on the way?

        [–]GoliathSquid 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

        With everything Zimmerman has been involved in after the shooting people are still trying to give him a pass. The guy is an instigator that has pulled guns on multiple people at this point.

        [–]LingererLongerer 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

        You mean the charges filed by his ex, which she later admitted to be untrue and were dropped? "has pulled guns on multiple people at this point." And you are repeating lies I hope you know. He never pulled a weapon on his ex, he had his pistol in the dashboard of his vehicle which was with him on scene. Just goes to show how media can lie and people just buy it hook line and sinker.

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          [–]pickpickpick 13ポイント14ポイント  (19子コメント)

          they bring it up because if trayvon would have killed zimmerman in the fight he would have been able to claim the same law that shielded zimmerman. they were both right and both wrong. stand your ground is funny like that.

          [–]30mag 93ポイント94ポイント  (5子コメント)

          Are you talking about "Stand Your Ground"? That law was not a determining factor in the case.

          http://abcnews.go.com/US/floridas-stand-ground-law-determine-zimmerman-dunn-cases/story?id=22543929

          [–]PMmeyourMP5 25ポイント26ポイント  (4子コメント)

          I'm really surprised that someone other than me knows this.

          [–]mightytwin21 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I find it hard to believe that case would have ended with the same result.

          [–]didntsayeeeeeeeee 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Well I doubt anyone would have rioted over Zimmerman's death, so yeah.

          [–]PMmeyourMP5 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (8子コメント)

          So someone walks into a neighborhood and attacks a neighborhood watch member and kills him because he thought he was being followed by a "creepy-ass cracker"?

          [–]fubol 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

          Well he was being followed, for no reason other than being black. Not that that justifies anything, but those are the facts of the matter...

          [–]Blitzdrive 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

          "Other then being black" oooooooooooor how about he was an unfamiliar person in a neighborhood that recently had break ins walking around in the middle of the night?

          [–]LingererLongerer 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yes, the man who tutored underprivileged black students during his free time is a horrible racist against blacks. Give it a rest.

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              [–]GNG 3ポイント4ポイント  (29子コメント)

              Because if all you have to do to literally get away with murder is start a fight, the streets are going to be a lot more dangerous.

              [–]CoverIsCode3 25ポイント26ポイント  (27子コメント)

              I'll agree with you that ethically, Zimmerman was a fucking idiot to be out following people he deemed suspicious instead of letting the police handle it, but it isn't illegal to follow someone. So how did he start the fight? I'm genuinely curious, because someone following you isn't grounds to attack them, and it is my understanding (I could be wrong) that Martin initiated the physical side of the altercation, which makes him the aggressor in the eyes of the law - and when he eventually ended up repeatedly slamming Zimmerman's head into concrete, that justified Zimmerman to respond with deadly force.
              I'm not saying Zimmerman is a good guy - especially after all of his recent run-ins - or that he wasn't out playing mall-ninja sheepdog, but he didn't legally "start" anything. He was not the physical aggressor nor did he escalate it to the point of deadly force. Martin did by attacking and bashing his head on a sidewalk.

              [–]TheWindeyMan 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Zimmerman claims he didn't start the fight, Martin's friend who was in the phone with him claims Zimmerman did start the fight, no other witnesses and the only evidence was Martin's phone was found lying in the grass.

              Remember the trial didn't prove that Martin started the fight, it must failed to prove that Zimmerman did.

              [–]assburgersareokay 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Wasn't she crossed examined and her story determined to be inconsistent? It's been a while.

              [–]TheWindeyMan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              IIRC in the first police interview (which the police held in front of Martin's mother, completely breaking protocol) she left out where Martin had referred to Zimmerman as a "creepy-ass cracker", but other than that her story was consistent.

              [–]GNG 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Martin ran away from Zimmerman. Zimmerman himself told the 911 dispatcher as much, and the dispatcher discouraged him from following. His involvement should have ended there. http://www.motherjones.com/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman

              [–]idledrone6633 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              It did. Then Zimmerman was attacked as he headed to his truck. Geez, don't comment in ignorance.

              [–]drivesleepless 6ポイント7ポイント  (21子コメント)

              I would assume the worst if I was walking around and a car was obviously following me.

              [–]CoverIsCode3 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Yes, doesn't mean you get to initiate an attack and escalate to deadly force.

              [–]Blitzdrive 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Maybe try calling the cops?

              [–]PMmeyourMP5 11ポイント12ポイント  (16子コメント)

              So now you're allowed to slam someone's head on the concrete because they're following you? Fantastic logic.

              [–]drivesleepless 5ポイント6ポイント  (15子コメント)

              I'm not sure what went down that night but I definitely would fear for my life in that situation. Since Zimmerman is the only one alive that knows what really happened I won't speculate about who started what. The dude must have gotten out of his car and tried to confront Trayvon at the very least but he might have even initiated the fight.

              [–]PMmeyourMP5 8ポイント9ポイント  (13子コメント)

              Watch Zimmerman giving investigators a walk though of what happened:

              http://youtu.be/PX1sxARNq_c

              I believe this was the day after the incident. Everything he said was backed up by physical evidence, or in the least not refuted by physical evidence.

              [–]drivesleepless 3ポイント4ポイント  (12子コメント)

              It's crazy that someone would get out of their car while on the phone with the police to report a suspicious person. I don't know if him being armed made him take more risks than normal. It sounded like he though the guy he was following might also have a gun. Any sane person would have gotten the hell out of there.

              [–]PMmeyourMP5 6ポイント7ポイント  (10子コメント)

              The dispatcher asked for an address and he got out to find one. Watch this and wash the ignorance from yourself.

              http://youtu.be/PX1sxARNq_c

              Also, EVERYTHING in this video was backed up by other evidence. The physical evidence, the dispatcher, the recording, the other recording (I think it was from a separate 911 caller?). EVERYTHING. Zimmerman did not change his story once, and that is why you can't flim flam the zim zam.

              [–]Yanni_Depp 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              "He was looking around...in the rain. Something's not right!" BRB following with a gun.

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                  [–]Sneaky__Snake -2ポイント-1ポイント  (25子コメント)

                  Poor Mr. Zimmerman. He was just minding his own business after all. Good thing he had a gun or he might have ended up with a few more bruises.

                  [–]ikissedatoaster 36ポイント37ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  Zimmerman and Trayvon aside, you'd have to be an idiot not to pull a gun on someone attacking you because you're fine with a few bruises. Fist fights can easily go wrong and get people killed.

                  [–]adviceforalkies 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Or dead.

                  [–]frostiitute 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Yeah, getting your head smashed against the pavement will leave a few bruises.

                  [–]PMmeyourMP5 7ポイント8ポイント  (16子コメント)

                  Well, his nose swelled up and looked like a bell pepper and his head was being slammed against the concrete. That's considerably more than a 'few bruises'. That could have killed him. Instead, one 115 grain Jacketed HolloPoint 9mm round entered Martins chest.

                  [–]Sneaky__Snake 8ポイント9ポイント  (14子コメント)

                  If i harassed some random stranger in my neighborhood I would expect a beating. Jokes on Trayvon, he brought his fists to a gun fight.

                  [–]Blitzdrive 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Harassed him? We know he followed him and then lost sight of him. There is no evidence that he was being harassed unless you have that evidence and would like to cite it

                  [–]PMmeyourMP5 13ポイント14ポイント  (9子コメント)

                  Following someone through their neighborhood as a neighborhood watch member and calling 911 on a suspicious character is not harassment...sorry man.

                  [–]Benthetraveler 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  He brought skittles to a gun fight.

                  [–]SurfWyoming 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I am sorry you live in such a shitty neighborhood.

                  Edit: I was raised to talk to people if problems arise, not resort to violence. Is this a rare thing, or did I just grow up in a white privileged neighborhood in bumfuck Nebraska?

                  [–]bassfeelsgood 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Ok

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                    [–]Hedon190 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    And only time we chill is when we kill each other. It takes skill to be real, time to heal each other.

                    Tupac

                    [–]AaronfromKY 60ポイント61ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    Here's what bothers me: living across the river from Cincinnati, where recently there's been an outbreak of gun violence, the /#blacklivesmatter people didn't show up until a cop shot a man who pointed a rifle at him. Never mind all these the other black on black shootings lately, black lives didn't matter until a police officer shot one, then the outcry ensued. So fucking hypocritical.

                    [–]ADaringEnchilada 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    It would be the cops fault too. Obviously. They took the job knowing it'd be risky, someone pointing a rifle at you simply isn't provocation to use deadly force. Fucking cowardly pigs.

                    (/s, for there are some massively retarded people in the community that belive that shit wholeheartedly)

                    [–]Big_Baby_Jesus_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    It's not just "gun violence". It's gang violence. I assure you that there have been many anti-gang violence speeches and rallies. They just don't get covered by the local news or reddit, so you don't know about them.

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                      [–]gr8sk8 39ポイント40ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      Black Olives Matter, too.

                      [–]Felinomancy 24ポイント25ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      Where's the provocative part?

                      [–]LordBrandon 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      It's that he used a crappy two color gradient, and that generic ass font.

                      [–]TAU_equals_2PI 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      mindnotbehind

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                        [–]stakoverflo 50ポイント51ポイント  (11子コメント)

                        I prefer this one; http://m.imgur.com/gallery/YP2SdqI

                        No reason to bring race into it.

                        [–]iLikefrontbutts 36ポイント37ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        It's naive to think that violent crime rates aren't higher in black communities. I'm not saying it's because they're black, but because they're economically at a disadvantage. Nonetheless, it is an issue that should be addressed...it should not be hidden by a veil of political correctness.

                        [–]sulaymanf 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Good thing it's not hidden. Black leaders have staged big rallies against murders of children in their own communities like Chicago. It just gets ignored by the mainstream media or national news, so people assume people rally only when it's a police violence.

                        [–]dylanbob5 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        The unfortunate truth is that people actually expect blacks to kill each other. The fact that it's not as publicized means it's not as shocking. It's not as provocative as interracial (especially if a white male cop is involved) violence. The data proves that there is a problem with black-on-black violence. It's unfortunate that it's generally ignored because it's become so common to hear about it.

                        [–]TheDarkGoblin39 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        I really don't think it's hidden; people know there's a lot of violence in communities like Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago. There's black on black crime and there's racially motivated police brutality. One doesn't exclude the other.

                        [–]frostiitute 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Black on black crime doesn't sell as well, though.

                        [–]billyrocketsauce 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I would agree, except that humans are entirely too prone to the "that doesn't apply to me" fallacy. It can help to specify why change is necessary.

                        [–]PandaXXL 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        No reason to bring race into it.

                        How are people this clueless?

                        [–]isucksacks 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        The race component is a response to the wildly popular response of, "black lives matter" to some of the "race-related" police killings happening in the U.S. recently.

                        [–]fubol 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        I understand the criticism of some aspects of the movement, but by putting race-related in quotes are you really implying there's NO racial aspect at all? Eric Garner wasn't about race? Really?

                        [–]fps916 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Tamir Rice, Amadou Diallo, John Crawford, Eric Garner, Freddie Gray, etc. etc. etc.

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                          [–]Mookfook 334ポイント335ポイント  (114子コメント)

                          Black lives only matter if you can blame a white man for taking one. Ironic that at the very core of the anti racist movement is racism itself.

                          [–]EternalOptimist829 69ポイント70ポイント  (10子コメント)

                          "So why did I weep when Trayvon Martin was in the street, when gangbangin' make me kill a nigga blacka than me?

                          HYPOCRITE!" - Kendrick

                          To be fair many people in the black community see white government, like the CIA responsible for the violence in their communities through the introducion of drugs into inner cities (mainly crack cocaine) during the 80s. A lot of blacks believe they wouldn't be killing each other now and gangs wouldn't be what they are today if the government didn't try to use inner-city youth (who were predominantly black) as crack mules to fund international wars.

                          For the better part of a decade, a San Francisco Bay Area drug ring sold tons of cocaine to the Crips and Bloods street gangs of Los Angeles and funneled millions in drug profits to a Latin American guerrilla army run by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, a Mercury News investigation has found. https://oig.justice.gov/special/9712/ch01p1.htm

                          Edit: Nowadays a lot of black folks show an obvious distrust, dislike and the occasional downright fear of police (I admit this is opinion but I don't think it's a controversial or overly-general one). They don't feel like the police are there to protect them as much as they are there to quarrantine them and keep them from spreading into other non-black communities nearby. Inner-city violence makes more sense when you see it as a wild west sort of environment where the local law can't be trusted to be strong, smart, or virtuous enough to protect and serve the community. People get in fights and the hood and the cops just don't get called. They will call an ambulance if they need to, but no one will tell cops shit unless it's really bad. You get your own protection, take matters into your own hands.

                          [–]Babaca2 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

                          That lyric gives me goosebumps every time

                          [–]EternalOptimist829 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          It's sad really. At first as a white guy from the country I always thought black folks were overly paranoid of cops and brought a lot on themselves. But then I saw it with my own eyes, the same cops treating white folks and black folks differently. I've been with my black friends and I could hear the tone change. On top of that I have two cops in my family and they'll talk about why they have to do what they do (justify their actions) And I started reading about the things the government did to black folks throughout the years and it just keeps adding up. We legitimately fuck over black folks in this country and racism still very much exists in our government through individual police officers and everyday enforcement of the law ("Which car of the dozen doing 10 over should I stop?").

                          I finally concluded I cannot blame any black person for being afraid of/angry at white folks. There's so much real evidence in our past that isn't that far removed in time showing that we shit on poor and black folks from the inner cities. I don't think it helps anything to be racist, but I can't blame them for it just as I wouldn't blame an abused woman for having a fear of men. That being said the Buddhist in me can't help but think there's a peaceful way to resolve all of this, but I don't know what it is or how it will happen.

                          [–]laturner92 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          That "which car should I stop..." part made me chuckle. I drive a car that looks like a black kid drives it. Stereotypical, I know, but I get pulled over significantly more in it than when I drove an '05 Explorer. (It's a Dodge Challenger btw.) I've seen multiple looks of complete surprise when I roll the window down to reveal me, a caucasian.

                          [–]Lampshade_express 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Lol. Dodge Challenger's are my city's police cruisers.

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                              [–]Pfff_whatever 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Woah dude for a second I thought this was /r/conspiracy

                              [–]HitlerWasAtheist 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Many blacks may believe the government used their communities to peddle drugs, but the article you linked makes it overwhelmingly clear that there is no direct evidence of this.

                              [–]amilliphillips 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              That song always gives me chills. I love Kendrick Lamar

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                                [–]gepeg-libre 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                Oh for fucks sakes man what a ridiculous thing to say. Just because the media never talks about the millions of hours of work being done in black communities by black people to fight violence it doesn't mean it doesn't fucking exist, and don't act like gangsters and cops should somehow be held to the same standards either. Fuck off

                                [–]Big_Baby_Jesus_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                Oh for fucks sakes man what a ridiculous thing to say.

                                I hope to hell that the reason that post is up top with 350 points is due to brigading from Stormfront. But I'm afraid that reddit may have actually gotten this terrible by itself.

                                [–]danieljay691 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                Why shouldn't gangsters and cops be held to the same standards? They're all humans. It's okay if a gangster kills people for the he'll of it but a cop does it to protect people or themselves and that's somehow wrong?

                                [–]Amenz 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                I think he's saying that cops and criminals should never be thought of on the same level. Just because criminals commit crimes and murder doesn't mean it's suddenly the same as a law enforcement officer drawing guns on teenagers

                                [–]TheWindeyMan 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                Except, you know, all those times where black on black violence is addressed

                                [–]pete1729 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                Really? Please...

                                The people doing the killing are pretty much nihilists, and the black community tolerates a fair amount of harassment from law enforcement in pursuit of these jerks. The problem comes when the people they pay taxes to kill needlessly.

                                [–]okp11 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                and the black community tolerates a fair amount of harassment from law enforcement in pursuit of these jerks

                                Unfortunately they also tolerate, and far too many praise those nihilists.

                                To flat out ignore the fact that for every cop that kills a black person there are hundreds that are killed by other blacks is just wrong. Of course you can highlight the fact that there are injustices with police and blacks...But to try to dismiss the fact that there are fundamental problems in black culture that cause such high crime/murder rates is just silly. Constantly placing blame on others isn't going to fix the problem.

                                [–]olican101 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                So. People wanting to be treated equal are racist? Can't tell if stupid.

                                [–]Fluid_Mechanics -2ポイント-1ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                They blame the descendants of the European colonizers for putting them through centuries of physical subjugation that led to this massive disparity in quality of life and the inherent social stigma associated with their presence in their new home. If you know anything about finance, you would understand the power of accumulated wealth, or "old money", and the opportunity it affords. Just because the descendants of European colonizers aren't casually yelling the "N" word as a disparaging form of racial abuse, doesn't mean racial abuse and inequality do not still exist.

                                [–]whiskey4breakfast 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Yeah they would have been much better off in Africa.

                                [–]Mookfook 8ポイント9ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                As I am a target of racism both big and small on a daily basis I am well aware of it's existence. But pretending that it only exists because of white people is, as I have already stated, racist. Pretending that rich white people are plotting to keep black people poor and in their ghettos is racist and silly. Not 10 years ago I had no money to my name, and a very bleak future with little positive support. I chose to leave the drugs and bullshit behind and pull myself out. In the end if you live you life in poverty and never grow beyond your sad trashy existence it isn't the fault of some fat white guy you've never met, it's yours.

                                Rise up and stand up or sit down, shut up, and die quietly.

                                [–]rosebowlriots -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                No one said white people are in a room plotting to fuck over black people. But you clearly don't understand how politics works. Someone's always gonna get fucked over at the expense of another group. American moderates are still pretty racist and continue to vote that way so the group that gets fucked over continues to be black people. More specifically in this country, poor people are targeted quite often by numerous things. But because of the concept of accumulated wealth blacks fall into a cycle of poverty.

                                [–]tokenlib 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                My god, do people actually believe this drivel? Did you write this with a straight face?

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                                    [–]NonaSuomi282 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                    My family emigrated to the US around the turn of the 20th century with barely more than the clothes on their backs, and all of them worked manual labor jobs to get by. My father was the first person in my ancestry to really break above working-class status. Please tell me more about how we are "old money".

                                    [–]nenyim 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Sometimes it feels like reddit isn't aware that people living today didn't have the right to sit at the front of a fucking bus because of their skin colors when they were young.

                                    I don't think blaming anyone is productive but behaving like because there is equality in the law (well at least in the text if a lot less so in their application) that everything in the past is magically erased is at best incredibly ignorant and most likely racist. Because racism is the only logical conclusion you can reach from today situation assuming we live in a perfectly equal world.

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                                      [–]SeanTCU 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Or maybe it's because when gang members kill people they actually face consequences?

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                                        [–]MoonMiner313 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Yep. Problem solved. That ought to do it. No more black on black crime now.

                                        [–]EuniceAphroditois 44ポイント45ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                        I've said it till im sick of it, the current police brutality issue is one of class, not race. The only reason race is a factor like it is, is from the lingering socioeconomic effects of the institutional racism of last century. All of the poor people of this country are under equal threat of the police, but due to the policies from the 1800s (property rights swayed so that blacks were legally unable to amass wealth\own property) through till the 1990s (the war on drugs) it just so happens that a large percentage of those at the bottom of the socioeconomic are black and Latino. Black and Latino peoples are not any more inclined to violence or criminal behavior as anyone else, it does not matter what color you are, you take any race of people and subject them to institutional discrimination and harsh economic sanctions for long enough, you'll end up with the exact same situations we are talking about today.

                                        Inner city violence is the tangible manifestation of the wealth gap. It's a bunch of people drowning, pushing those around them under, killing those around them, just to elevate themselves just high enough above the water for one more fleeting breath.

                                        [–]arachis_hypogaea 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                        The largest percentage of poor people are white. You don't understand the problem at all.

                                        The problem is the percentage of white people that are poor is really low. There's literally that many white people in the US. The percentage of black people that are poor is really high. It's the worst of any group save Native Americans. And it's racist that they get ignored. But that's another topic.

                                        Poverty correlates strongly with crime, especially violent crime. So yes, black people and Latinos are more prone to violence because more of them are poor. In fact, poverty is the single greatest cause of all crime in the US right now. Poverty affects education, lifetime earnings, opportunities, etc and all in negative ways.

                                        Minorities are historically poor because of institutional racism. All of this things you mentioned were designed to disproportionately affect minorities. And it worked.

                                        So yes, it's a class issue. But it's not by mistake that minorities get arrested more often. A disproportionately high number of them commit crimes because they are poor.

                                        Fix poverty and it will fix a shit ton of America problems, including doing a helluva lot to fix racism.

                                        [–]EuniceAphroditois 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Exactly. All of these hard right wing Republican stances about the welfare queens and the nanny state, insinuating that people want to be poor and that if we just rip the carpet out from under them (revoking benefits or implementing unnecessary hurdles) that it will catalyze them to get off their couches and go work. It's the most ass backwards logic. We need to invest in programs that identify the critical infrastructure that is needed in these communities and offer those in the community free training and jobs building things that then go on to benefit the others that didn't engage directly in the programs. These communities are not just shiftless slackers, these are people that live in places without ample jobs or resources, in food deserts where the closest supermarket is over a half mile away, without so much as sunshades over the bus stops. Given the resources and training to handle these issues within the community, these issues like violent crime\prostutition\theft would start to dwindle as people's time and people's needs start to become better occupied

                                        [–]nenyim 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        The largest percentage of poor people are white. You don't understand the problem at all.

                                        I believe there is another problem that is touched in either of your comments is where are those poor populations. I might be wrong because I'm failing at finding numbers but it seem to me that poor black (and Hispanic as well) communities are mostly in urban settings while the whites are mostly in rural setting.

                                        A poor urban area is a ghetto while a poor rural area is a community. Poverty correlate strongly with crime but so does population density. Having poor population in very low density area doesn't create that much crimes and in fact prevent most problems you could face with the police (either way) while high density areas have the exact opposite.

                                        I don't necessarily think the problems are coming from racism (past the historical ones) and that racism might be as much a cause to the situation than its reason. However in practice past helping with debates (it change the narrative from an evil oppressor to something a lot more palatable) it doesn't really change anything to the situation.

                                        [–]TedTheGreek_Atheos 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Exactly. High population density leads to "crimes of opportunity" . It's hard to find opportunities when you live in a rural setting where neighbors are spread out more.

                                        Places with high density poverty always have higher crime rates no matter the color, country or culture.

                                        [–]ethertrace 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        You're mostly on point, but this

                                        I've said it till im sick of it, the current police brutality issue is one of class, not race.

                                        is empirically incorrect.

                                        Brutality and excessive use of force are tied to the dehumanizing attitudes of officers, which are demonstrably racially-influenced. Police are more likely to be more forceful with black boys than white or hispanic boys, as this study shows. The legacy of our racist history is not only felt in terms of economic status. There's a reason it is termed socioeconomic status.

                                        I've said it until I'm sick of it, too: this is not an either/or issue. Race is not the sole cause, but do not deny that it is a factor.

                                        [–]TedTheGreek_Atheos 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Seriously. Look at that video in Texas with the Rambo cop at the pool party. Do you really think he'd treat a hot white girl in a bikini the same way for "talking back to him"? He was literally holding the back of her head pushing her face into the lawn at one point.

                                        The white kid filming said that he was completely invisible to the cops.

                                        [–]fartchampion 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        I agree with your point that the sources of inner-city violence are primarily rooted in historical economic inequality. This is made worse by historical (and some still intact) laws and real estate practices like redlining which create patterns of residential segregation, which isolate races and concentrates poverty (and wealth) geographically. But this is America, you can't ignore the historical legacy of race and the ongoing reconstruction of racism and racist practices. The difference is everyone is color blind nowadays. I've heard other white guys go on and on about how horrible black people are (very classic racist comments that you hear about any marginalized group in any country - lazy, dirty, dumb, unmotivated) and then claim that its not about race and they aren't racists. People seem to think that if you aren't actively donning a white robe and burning crosses, you can't be a racist. But there are studies of black middle-class suburban kids being hassled and abused as well. Not to mention the phenomenon of "driving while black" where middle class black men in particular are pulled over, searched illegally and hassled by virtue of their skin color. Class is definitely a huge part of it, and poor white folks have it bad too, but race is definitely intertwined in all of it.

                                        [–]BlisterBox -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        You're right up to a point. Race does enter into the law enforcement problem because of the fact that, because of institutionalized racism, American police departments were overwhelmingly white until 20 or 30 years ago. And even as police departments were integrated, black officers, it seems, have tended to adopt the ingrained "us vs. them" attitudes of their white colleagues.

                                        And the "them" in this case, as you correctly point out, are typically the most poverty-stricken Americans (i.e., blacks and latinos).

                                        [–]BrutalCunt 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        It's like there's no poor white people all of a sudden. -checks wallet-

                                        [–]WendyLRogers3 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                        The single, proximate cause of the vast majority of the problems in the black community is single parenthood. Statistically, children from single parent families, of any race, are 60% more likely to criminally offend. In that now about 72% of all black births are illegitimate, blaming this disaster on socioeconomic deprivation no longer holds water.

                                        The solution to this problem is for the black community to reject sex outside of marriage, not out of moral grounds but so that they do not become extinct in several generations.

                                        The combination of long term birth control, extremely high abortion rates, criminal incarceration, black on black homicide, and drug and alcohol abuse, are significantly impacting African American demographics, but this is concealed with strongly increasing African immigration. Immigrants that do not share African Americans cultural cancer, and shun social interaction with them, yet are counted with them.

                                        Nobody can rescue black America for them. They must do so themselves. Rejecting sex outside of marriage is the key.

                                        [–]americaFya 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Rejecting sex outside of marriage is the key.

                                        Or, OR, an emphasis of education in, and a cultural acceptance of, effective methods of birth control.

                                        [–]Laughs_at_fat_people 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Black people are more likely to live in the inner city. When whites had their suburban sprawl from the 1940s-1970s, many white people who had money moved to the suburbs, while poorer blacks were forced to stay in the inner city. When the whites moved, the jobs went with them, as well as a reliable tax base. When a tax base loses a lot of people and businesses, it goes down. A lack of taxes means worse public services, worse education, worse advocacy for things like sex ed, and less money for city projects like roads, infrastructure, school boards, and government expenditures, then you get a problem. Couple that with the fact that people with black sounding names receive around 50% of the call backs for jobs than whites, and studies have shown that a white male who has meth production on his record is more likely to receive a callback than a black male with no criminal record, despite having the same resume (excluding criminality). When you are systematically oppressed from not only the police (stop and frisk, use of excessive force, longer sentences for identical crimes) but also from public housing, jobs, and are not able to get a decent high school education, then it makes sense why black people commit more crime. Statistics show that having only one parent, low education, being poor, and being disproportionately targeted by law enforcement leads to a greater chance of crime, which holds true for all racial and ethnic categories.

                                        [–]Zorodude77 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        It was actually more sinister than that, realty agencies and banks prevented blacks from obtaining loans in white neighborhoods (Google redlining, I'm on mobile otherwise I'd link). They also used a practice called 'Block Busting' in interracial neighborhoods where realtors would scare white residents into selling their houses for low prices, then turning around and selling them at a higher price to blacks, often with predatory loans in order to cause more foreclosures. The result was neighborhoods that were formerly about 5% black and solidly middle class became mostly black and often filled with foreclosed houses. It was a huge issue in Chicago, and many other big cities. Blacks were also excluded from many of the benefits of the New Deal and GI bill, such as cheap housing in Levitt towns.

                                        Like I said I'm on mobile but if you google "The Case for Reparations" you can find all of the info, albeit in a lengthy essay with a lot of other stuff.

                                        [–]blueskywins 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Don't know why you're getting downvoted. Came here to say this. Poverty doesn't cause black on black crime. Sorry that doesn't fit the current narrative. During the great depression, everyone didn't start killing everyone else for 10 years.

                                        It's a breakdown of the family & basic morals which was intensified by the introduction govt programs and abortion-seeing life as expendable. Google "effects of welfare in the black community". There is massive amt of data stating the govt replacing the father has had a devastating effect on the black community. Things started going downhill for the lower class black communities around the introduction of those programs. The ratio of single parents vs intact families has gone up dramatically since then. Abortion had also skyrocketed in the community. Seeing life as expendable for convenience has not helped. Google "effects of abortion on the black community". Your eyes will be opened. Google the founder of planned parenthood-Margaret Sanger-she was a racist who wanted to use abortion to specifically kill black babies-it's not like she tried to hide her agenda.

                                        It's become a whole culture now: Why have a husband when you can sleep around and either have an abortion, or have the baby, or babies by different men and just live off welfare? And a lot of the men seem to have little to no responsibility for the children they've fathered which of course has a devastating effect on them. In welfare it's set up the more dependents the better-more $. A lot of people sell drugs on the side to supplement their welfare income. It's a nightmare to grow up in. I used to live in Baltimore. This way of life was known, accepted, & encouraged back in the 80's & 90's when I was there.

                                        At some point the black community needs to address these core issues and heal the family unit by teaching morals & personal responsibility, get off the teat of govt and change govt programs to stop rewarding single parenthood, require drug testing, and include programs to educate & get people on their feet. How about our govt introducing apprenticeships to learn a trade, training on how to interview, conduct yourself professionally, offer MS office & basic technology training? You shouldn't be able to be on welfare or food stamps for life-like unemployment, they should only there for a limited time to help you get back on your feet. The community also needs to start looking at success in school and life as something good, not something to be scoffed at and ridiculed and the community would have a fighting chance. There are many poor Asians working in service jobs-cleaners, nail technicians, etc. Why aren't they killing each other? In general, intact families and education, hard work, and not being on govt handouts are seen as positives in that culture. Just my two cents.

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                                          [–]baron_von_crapula 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          I should've known better than to come to the comments section.

                                          [–]PeterLicht 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          Only during summertime

                                          [–]Wampawacka 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          The situation may be exacerbated in the summer but race related threads are toxic places all year.

                                          [–]SpencoJFrog 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          Well it's really up to them if they wanna stop killing each other, I'm not sure a billboard is up to the job of stopping intraracial violence.

                                          [–]Frozeth29 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Gets 'em talking though.

                                          [–]mehow28 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          It's pretty obvious that most redditors are fucking stupid but all of you are on a whole new level

                                          [–]iminthemitten 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Central BBQ in Memphis! Some damn good BBQ!

                                          [–]jesterPmcgillicutty 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                          Unfortunately, the dude's right. Most young black deaths are due to black on black violence. Very sad.

                                          [–]dontlookatme4444 -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                          If there's anything I learned from my time spent browsing /r/coontown. Is that the biggest threat to a black man, is another black man.

                                          [–]LA_all_day 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          why is this provocative?

                                          [–]Romero1993 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Because some people don't like the idea of not killing each other

                                          [–]Mudface68 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          How just stop killing

                                          [–]ReasonablyConfused 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I support this.

                                          [–]DontPrayForMe 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Fucking put some of These up in Chicago.

                                          [–]stewey2000 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          Fixed: lives matter, so lets quit killing each other.

                                          [–]AbstractDiarrhea 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          But that would make too much sense

                                          [–]Ripdimebag04 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                          I am a little confused by this message. Is it only black lives that matter? Should we only stop killing black people but continue to kill every other race? Is this some kind of call for all black people to ban together and kill everyone else?

                                          [–]Corey307 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          Most murders are committed within the same race and class. This message is imploring the black community to work together to end violence within their community. They're not trying to redirect the violence, just stop it. How you got anything else from that billboard makes me think you're projecting.

                                          [–]Ripdimebag04 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          I don't understand why the message cannot be for people to stop killing people. Why focus on a specific race?

                                          [–]Corey307 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Already answered your question. Most murders occur within the same racial group, black on black, white on white, brown on brown etc. it is a called action to the black community where that billboard was put up to on this violence and work to end it. There's nothing wrong with a community group focusing on black on black crime, considering the number one indicator of who you kill or who kills you his race this is something best handled within racial groups to figure out why they killing each other.

                                          [–]Corey307 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Most people are stupid and uninformed. They don't understand most murders stay within racial and socioeconomic classes. It's a gut punch and lots of people will try to say it's politically incorrect but it's an honest statement. It would be just as honest if you replaced black with any other race, or murder with child or spousal abuse. Acknowledging murder and trying to build community and help reduce murder rates.

                                          [–]Claystor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          This had been up for over a week now.

                                          [–]SepDot 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          All lives matter.....

                                          [–]Gurueffect 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Since he's black, it's not really provocative. Who is he provoking? If he was white, this would definitely be racist, especially since he uses "we". If he provokes anything with this, it will only be good things.

                                          [–]Nyarlathoteps_Cat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          So the wording "quit killing each other" could could be taken to mean that we are all together on this earth, or that only black people are killing black people. I wonder if this will be taken out of context, or misinterpreted.

                                          [–]tc2k14 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          It's a sad day when telling people not to kill each other is provocative

                                          [–]gontoon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Hmm. This guy received the 2014 BE THE DREAM MLK LEGACY AWARD.

                                          Also he's done billboards about saggy pants.

                                          https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/2014/1/16/extensions-of-remarks-section/article/E85-2

                                          [–]Valendr0s 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          You know... I was going to go find that guy who has been dealing in my territory and shoot him in the face... But then I saw that billboard. Now I'm going to go ask if he wants to go to disneyland with me and my crew.

                                          [–]louis-wu 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          How is it provocative to note that human lives matter and that people should stop killing each other?

                                          [–]facetiously 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Provocative in that it's thought-provoking. I like it.

                                          [–]0xD153A53 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Posted by an insurance agency...Are they tired of paying out life insurance claims and looking for an easy way not to?

                                          [–]tokenlib 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Man, I'm seeing so many excuses being posted here about why blacks kill other blacks at such an alarming rate. Excuse after excuse after excuse. I'm seeing white people attack the owner of the billboard, a black man, for not understanding the plight of the oppressed blacks. Talk about privilege.

                                          I want to say one thing about the oppression, the "accumulated wealth" theories and the rest of the bullshit that makes some of you sleep better at night: The owner of this billboard, a black man, worked hard, sacrificed and succeeded in a country where success is available to everyone. Nobody can stop you from succeeding in this country if you want to. Nobody.

                                          Here's the thing, you can't sit around waiting for someone to give it to you because that's not going to happen. You have to take it. This man, and tens of millions of Asian, Hispanic, Arab and white people have found success in this country through hard work and dedication. If you take to Reddit to complain that you, or certain groups can't make it, and you spew forth blame onto white people, or rich people, or Asians or republicans or democrats then I don't know what to tell you except that they have nothing to do with your failure.

                                          [–]kgt5003 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          This should not be considered provocative or controversial at all.

                                          [–]JustKiddingLeon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                          It certainly does provoke, yes.

                                          [–]aedansblade36 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                          All lives matter* FTFY

                                          [–]cabe565 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                          MY MEMPHIS.

                                          [–]johnturkey [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                          The Words

                                          Clear channel... kinda spoils the whole message.

                                          [–]diegojones4 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          It's a good one. I would also approve of "We are all different colors. Who cares?"

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