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[–]weauxbreaux 1ポイント2ポイント  (15子コメント)

Ok, but what about

Ephesians 6:1 - Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.

hmmm

Colossians 3:20 - Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord.

ok

Hebrews 13:17 - Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.

interesting

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 - “If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

well then...

[–]Blood_magic 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Deuteronomy is more about rules for Hebrews...Jesus came a long and kind of stopped the whole stoning thing with, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". In my opinion people should be financially independent by the time they're 21 and parents are not obligated to fund your actions that they morally disapprove of. Regardless of their dumb reasons behind it they have every right to do with their money as they see fit.

[–]weauxbreaux 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Deuteronomy is more about rules for Hebrews

Right, but all I'm doing is pointing out that the Bible is very clear on the topic of "respecting your parents". A few cherry picked verses about "support your family" and drinking do not invalidate his parents arguments.

In my opinion people should be financially independent by the time they're 21 and parents are not obligated to fund your actions that they morally disapprove of. Regardless of their dumb reasons behind it they have every right to do with their money as they see fit.

Exactly.

[–]Hickeroar 7ポイント8ポイント  (9子コメント)

Once someone is 21 years old, they are FAR outside the "child" category, and no longer under their parent's control.

A parent trying to control their kid at 21 years old is outright abusive.

[–]weauxbreaux 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

You are right. OP is a not a child anymore.

So maybe he should stop crying that his parents aren't willing to provide him with money anymore? Cutting that cord is not 'abuse'.

[–]Hickeroar 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

He's not crying about money. He never even mentioned the money. The post was about the parents and their bizarre expectations.

No one is saying that cutting the cord is abuse. Abuse is trying to exercise control over an adult using bribery, threats, and manipulation.

[–]weauxbreaux -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Did you not read the text message?

"No more money" says dad. That is what spawned this whole thing. It is the only 'control' that his parents are capable of.

Not providing your 21 year old with money is not bribery, threat, or manipulation.

[–]Hickeroar 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Did you not read the title?

Also, telling someone to stop doing something or you're withdrawing a benefit is absolutely all of those things. You're bribing them to do what you want by paying them to keep doing it. You're threatening to withdraw it if they don't. You're manipulating them by attempting to force them to do what you want by hanging something completely unrelated over their head.

[–]weauxbreaux -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also, telling someone to stop doing something or you're withdrawing a benefit is absolutely all of those things.

Expecting someone to hand you money, then using it for something else is abusive as well.

Money comes with strings, in all cases. If you aren't willing to accept the conditions that come with the money, do not accept the money. It's simple.

hanging something completely unrelated over their head.

How so? Maybe the conversation started because Dad was pissed that OP is spending money he gave him for food on booze?

All we saw was dad saying "if you are going to continue to disrespect us, we will not continue to provide you with money", and OP spouting some bullshit about how Jesus drank wine (which is also completely unrelated).

[–]RockDaHouse690 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well, youve officially brought up some bullshit that no one was talking about in defense of your argument. The only person talking about money is OPs dad in an attempt to scare OP into submission.

[–]weauxbreaux -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Stopping the money flow is the only 'control' that OP's dad is threatening. If that wasn't the issue here, why was the thread even created?

[–]RockDaHouse690 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The thread was created because of threats in general and acts taking place, not about how anything is abuse or anything specifically about money.

[–]weauxbreaux [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Weird, the only "threat" that I'm seeing is "No more money."

What I'm seeing is a dad saying "Do what you want, but do not expect my help in doing so."

[–]flyingseel -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Those are all from the Old Testament though. Wasn't the point of Jesus to make it so people didn't have to follow those rules, other than the 10 commandments? Because those were all rules given to the Israelites, right? And if Christians followed them they wouldn't eat meat.

[–]weauxbreaux -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Honor thy father and mother." is Commandment #5.

But really, my post was a direct response to the 'cherry picking' comment. Saying that "Jesus drank wine" doesn't counter dad's argument about not receiving respect from his son; something the Bible is quite clear about.

[–]Littlenemesis -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

This looks a lot like stuff from the Old Testament, which Catholics and Lutherian(?) Christians do not really follow, as they are Christians, followers of Christ. Jews however do not believe in the New Testament, and would therefore be subject to these verses.