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[–]azpx 41ポイント42ポイント  (8子コメント)

Pao didn't ruin Reddit, she's just another captain on a ship that's been headed to SJW island for years. She may be hastening Reddit's downfall, but it was still pretty bad before she showed up. Shadowbannings, mods and admins blatantly siding with SJWs, deletion of threads and posts which go against the hivemind...it's not like any of this is new.

In a way I'm kind of glad she's in charge. Maybe she'll hasten the sinking of this ship and something new/better will pop up. Then Reddit will become the next Digg.

[–]_Bob_The_Cat_ 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

Voat.co

[–]azpx 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

Voat is to Reddit what 8chan is to 4chan...except 8chan is able to handle relatively heavy loads.

[–]Zoltar23I'm not witty enough for flair. 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Phrasing.

[–]AnarkhonLibertas ergo Prosperitas 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

There is a need. Voat is not filling it.

Investors are already smelling the opportunities.

Innovators are already working on them.

Things will get better.

Ain't liberty a bitch?

[–]cheaphomemadeacid 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

yeah we'll probably have to go decentralized to avoid such problems in the future using DHT (also used by torrents) and a bunch of other protocols that let us discover eachother, torrents have proven their resilliance against censorship again and again, so it makes sense looking at those techs

[–]capistor 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

There is a decentralized web forum that runs over a torrent network > http://getaether.net

[–]MightyMousers 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have used it and like it. Waiting for more people to jump onboard.

[–]capistor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you have an ip address and port I can use to skip the 1st connection waiting time?

[–]dissidentrhetoric 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think people are over reacting. It is not the first time reddit has banned sub reddits. There was a similar controversy a few years ago. I don't remember which subreddits were banned but i think it was jailbait related. If they want to ban subreddits then they can do that. If they go to far then people will leave so they have an incentive to not over do it. I don't think banning the sub reddits that they have is over doing it. I am yet to see the full list but i think /r/ihatejews was on the list. Now i never got to see this subreddit before it was removed so i am a little disappointed. But i think the debate should be about this subreddit being banned to realy give some better context to the decision. I doubt all the people moaning would argue against that ban..

[–]euthanatosVoluntarist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I'm not seeing why people think this is ruining reddit. Other than the spillover of posts talking about this issue, my reddit experience is not likely to be altered at all. I don't think any of the subs I frequent are likely to be banned, and I don't think that I'm going to be subjected to increased censorship in any of those subs. If, for some unknown reason, I feel the need to make comments shitting on fat people, I don't think I'm likely to suffer any consequences unless I'm breaking the rules of a particular sub.

The people of /r/fatpeoplehate are understandably upset, but I just can't bring myself to feel a whole lot of sympathy for them.

[–]SkullandCrossbone 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

R/silverbugs post a seeking alpha article on the comex being bailed out with gold by the Feds right above this post. Which one did I fully read? I Am ashamed. lol

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[–]marcusaurelius_Marcus Aurelius 6ポイント7ポイント  (18子コメント)

Funny when I would go on to subreddits like r/anarchism or r/socialism saying that this was a violation of free speech I would get tons of comments complaining with the same Social Justice Warrior bullshit, especially in r/anarchism (which I find strange, you support freedom so much but when it comes to "hurting someones feelings over the internet" you're a neoliberal about it?) Good to see that intellectual anarchist aren't buying into all this SJW-liberal-feminist bullshit.

[–]darchdollaReason is a false idol 7ポイント8ポイント  (8子コメント)

Dont try and equate your idea of freedom to theirs. They dont even pretend to be on the same page.

[–]anintrovertedrobotAnarchist 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yeah, I find it odd when people on either side try to equate our ideas. Our philosophies are monumentally different and pretending otherwise is dishonest.

[–]ktxy -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

No, they actually are fairly similar. But what would I know? I just talk to anarchists, and try to understand what they are saying.

[–]anintrovertedrobotAnarchist 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'm not implying that we shouldn't try to understand each other. Obviously dialogue is always important (something both sides often fail at on the internet). But when I look at what anarcho-capitalists advocate and what left anarchists advocate, there are a number of glaring differences that set us apart.

[–]ktxy -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

If you go and talk to an actual intelligent anarchist (and not just the angsty-social-democrats that plague their ideology), you'll find that the only difference between a Rothbardian and a traditional anarchist is what constitutes aggression.

[–]anintrovertedrobotAnarchist 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Where do I find these so-called actual intelligent anarchists? I've spoken to many anarchists, and I really can't see the difference between actual intelligent anarchists and regular anarchists.

[–]ktxy 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

On Reddit, some hang around here, sometimes there's good discussion on /r/DebateAnarchism (though it's gone downhill a bit recently). While I've had decent conversation on /r/Anarchism before, it's almost never worth it, I never go there anymore.

You could also just go straight to the source, as an ancap you'll relate most to individualists like Tucker and Spooner, maybe Stirner (though I would be careful in interpreting him), and for a communist perspective I personally prefer Bakunin. Most others will either be outright incomprehensible, or they'll talk right past you.

[–]anintrovertedrobotAnarchist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm actually not an ancap, I just post here to get a perspective other than my own. Thanks for being nice about it though. /r/DebateAnarchism is interesting. I post on /r/Anarchism but I'm not sure how I feel about it yet.

[–]Adahn5Communist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right. The fact that Anarchists are Communists and you're Capitalists isn't a big distinction at all.

[–]LowReadyAttending Praxicologist 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

I love how they dont even value "free speech" (ive literally been told that its a bourgeoisie construct fetishized only by us "fake" anarchists) until... Oops, its their speech getting censored.

Greatest thing about socialism is that it will always destroy itself.

[–]azpx 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

ive literally been told that its a bourgeoisie construct

Oldie but goodie.

[–]LowReadyAttending Praxicologist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lel

I also stand corrected from an earlier comment. The reaction in /r/anarchism seems to be generally that this use of authority to remove dangerous hate speech is a-okay... Absolutely no conflicts with True Anarchy Against All Hierarchy.

[–]sapiophile 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your freedom stops where mine begins.

It's really not a difficult concept to figure out. It's not "neoliberal" - it's called "not being a tyrant."

[–]grammarnazivigilante 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is not a violation of free speech.

https://xkcd.com/1357/

But but but muh freedommmm

[–]YesYesLibertariansHoppe 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is exactly right, so why the downvotes?

[–]xkcd_transcriber 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Title: Free Speech

Title-text: I can't remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express.

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[–]Xenu_RulerofUniverseArachno-Capitalist -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

So internet service providers are allowed to remove shit they don't want?

Pls tell that to the reddit feggits what private companies by law are allowed to do.

[–]databasestate 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why is this title even remotely appropriate? You probably shouldn't use pointlessly hateful language if you want to persuade people that don't live on the internet. This kind of shit makes us all look bad.

[–]n9aave0 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

reddit is a private site, but it may be more complicated than that. Pao may have made a deal with the US power elite, something like "you sway reddit towards a statist agenda, and we'll sway your court appeal towards your favor".

It's hard for me to have sympathy towards the private rights of orgs like reddit and salon, when they clearly have absolutely no sympathy towards any of my rights. Just a little while ago the state charged a person with giving material support to ISIS for teaching them about bitcoins. Well, how are these orgs not giving material support to the people who violently attack us.

[–]santasdickAyn Rand 2ポイント3ポイント  (18子コメント)

you mean private company exercised its right to do what it chooses with its company to make it more profitable

ftfy

[–]ancap47Crypto-Anarchist[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not my title, its Cantwell's. He acknowledges that reddit can and should be able to run their website however they wish.

[–]ChrisCantwellDon't tread on me! 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

Reading is fundamental. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself on what you're commenting on before you comment. It's a downright reasonable thing to do.

But being reasonable wasn't your goal here, was it?

[–]robstah 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Read the article.

[–]Dr_Morsu 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

Possibly profitable in the short run, out of business in the long run.

Hundred

[–]santasdickAyn Rand 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

how is running off a small minority of people running away ad revenue a short term thing? seems like a definite long term goal.

[–]crbikerMurray Rothbard 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

I dunno, ask Digg.

[–]santasdickAyn Rand 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

if this particular event causes a digg like melt down i'll get a tattoo of karl marx sucking ayn rand's dick. hold me to it.

[–]ancap47Crypto-Anarchist[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

I might get a tattoo of that anyway. How big would Ayn Rand be? And how much can Marx fit down his throat?

[–]jmottram08 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

I really want to see this drawn.

[–]PeppermintPigCharismatic Anti-Ruler 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup, there's a market for that too, apparently.

[–]shiftyeyedgoatAmerican Libertarian 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Abridging the supposed ideals of the site that made it popular with tech communities in the first place with censorship.

Reddit is beginning to think it's too big to fail and is making social choices within its boundaries to push agendas outside of it. By beginning the opaque and convoluted rationalization that they're running out the bad communities they'll only hasten the advance into an echo chamber that tears itself apart from the reverberations.

[–]santasdickAyn Rand -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

i think reddit it just fine with the millions that come here daily and look at cats and read the news.

the fringe political zealots and fat people haters they could give less than two shits about.

[–]AnarkhonLibertas ergo Prosperitas 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

There is one thing I don't understand.

If the board of directors know she is ruining their business why don't they fire her?

One thing is to have a surge in visits due to the PaoGate but another thing is to inflict a permanent damage to the trust of people for this site.

Things will never be the same. People won't forget.

Fire her.

[–]ChrisCantwellDon't tread on me! 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

If the board of directors know she is ruining their business why don't they fire her?

Because when you fire Ellen Pao, she calls you a rape culture promoting member of the patriarchy and sues your ass for muh soginy

[–]AnarkhonLibertas ergo Prosperitas 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just fire her for incompetency.

If reddit had an "unregister" button, the stats would be enough to hand her ass in a plate.

[–]LaetherActing a savage in the shadows of Rome 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

They didn't accidentally hire her. She is here to do a job, and it is pretty clear what that job is.

[–]AnarkhonLibertas ergo Prosperitas 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a very clear possibility.

[–]ancap47Crypto-Anarchist[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Let's see how long this stays up

[–]InaneMembrane 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hopefully as long as it took him to write this lazy article.

[–]AncapTom 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought it was really good until I realized that I was reading the Washington Post article and thought it was Chris'

[–]ancap47Crypto-Anarchist[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lazy, but true.

[–]politicalthrow44 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

How long would it have to stay up for you to admit you're being a goober?

[–]ancap47Crypto-Anarchist[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Forever.

[–]robstah 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

...and ever.

[–]ancap47Crypto-Anarchist[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Amen

[–]ChrisCantwellDon't tread on me! -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

What's with all the downvotes? Is this an ancap subreddit or a battered women's shelter?

[–]tmow329Voluntaryist -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I lost the last shred of respect I had for Cantwell when he change Anarchist, Atheist, Asshole to Anarchist,Atheist,Abolitionist.