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[AdviceAnimals]/u/WhiteChocolate12 on the current state of /r/all - "All of this shit posting only further proves the admin's points, because you are responding to a ban based on harassment by choosing to harass people" (np.reddit.com)

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[–]pyr666 8ポイント9ポイント  (38子コメント)

remember the drawing mohammad thing? this is how the internet responds to censorship, always has been.

[–]AdumbroDeus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

except it's not censorship, it's measures to stop censorship.

That's what this harassment is being used to do, to intimidate people into silence. That's why for free speech to work, value neutral rules are needed otherwise the opinion of the powerful are all that gets heard.

[–]banthefucksnow -1ポイント0ポイント  (15子コメント)

Being told you don't get to troll suicidal people isn't a bad thing. How fucking pathetic do you have to be to defend this?

Oh and comparing the banning of your fucking troll idiot pals to the murder of cartoonists is fucking sick, go for a walk and reflect on what you are doing with your life

[–]pyr666 4ポイント5ポイント  (14子コメント)

Being told you don't get to troll suicidal people isn't a bad thing.

we aren't talking about me, nor did I say it was a bad thing.

How fucking pathetic do you have to be to defend this?

kindly keep your words out of my mouth. it's unsanitary.

[–]banthefucksnow -5ポイント-4ポイント  (12子コメント)

You compared it to the killing of cartoonists

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    [–]banthefucksnow 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

    remember the drawing mohammad thing?

    Oh really?

    [–]sickhippie -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Your memory is pretty short if you think Charlie Hedbo was the first "draw Muhammed in protest" time on reddit.

    [–]banthefucksnow -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

    All of them were in response to threats of terror! Stop it. Seriously think about what you are saying

    [–]sickhippie -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Draw Mohammed Day started as a response to South Park's censoring of Mohammed. The decision was made by the station heads, not by South Park Studios, in response to death threats. Death threats are not inherently terrorism. Your claim was that it was a response to the murder of cartoonists, but it's several years older than that. Quit moving the goalposts.

    [–]banthefucksnow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No, the whole draw mohammed thing started because someone was threatened, a believe a cartoonist from Norway or the Netherlands.

    Being told not to do something under threat of violence is in no way comparable to having your pathetic shit removed from a private website

    [–]Whatfuckinglosers 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Are you dense? You know South Park did that in response to something else right?

    [–]Whatfuckinglosers 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Holy shit these fucking losers literally have nothing better to do. I would love to see these shits explain their actions to their bosses

    [–]pyr666 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I compared it to another act of censorship, the one I had the most confidence people would recognize here on reddit.

    the recent imgur NSFW debacle is similar. how youtube communities consistently respond to false-flag campaigns and even DMCA. pirate bay just existing at all.

    the severity, context, or even legitimacy of the act is largely irrelevant. this is always how the internet responds.

    [–]banthefucksnow 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    The drawing was in response to terrorism. This shitposting spree is in response to being told to leave people the fuck alone

    [–]pyr666 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    the mohammed thing, "the fattening" (or whatever this is going to be called in couple weeks), and every other example I've listed are all part of a larger pattern of behavior.

    this is always how the internet responds.

    [–]banthefucksnow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No it isn't. Unless these FPH idiots were threatened with death it most certainly is not.

    [–]steak4take 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

    I'm the internet too and I didn't respond to this by shitposting, being racist, making wild accusations and being hateful.

    So no. You're wrong. People aren't all the same as you and you're not fighting for freedom.

    [–]pyr666 -1ポイント0ポイント  (10子コメント)

    I'm the internet too and I didn't respond to this by shitposting, being racist, making wild accusations and being hateful.

    not everyone in baltimore was a rioter, but baltimore was still rioting.

    So no. You're wrong.

    history and current events demonstrate what I have said to be true.

    People aren't all the same as you

    has nothing to do with me.

    and you're not fighting for freedom.

    I'm not fighting at all

    [–]banthefucksnow 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Grow up! Harassing suicidal people is not like drawing a picture and banning that harassment is not like killing people like your pathetic analogy implies

    [–]stupernan1 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Harassing suicidal people

    i keep seeing this mentioned, did a subreddit brigade /r/suicidewatch or something?

    [–]banthefucksnow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yes, read the thread here in bestof about it

    [–]InternetWeakGuy[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    not everyone in baltimore was a rioter, but baltimore was still rioting.

    Yes, but if you said "this is how baltimore deals with things" you would be similarly wrong.

    [–]pyr666 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    if baltimore consistently rioted whenever the police hurt someone (or w/e), i would say that is how baltimore responds to police violence.

    [–]InternetWeakGuy[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The existance of a majority of baltimore residents who do not riot would make that statement both lazy and incorrect.

    [–]steak4take 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    not everyone in baltimore was a rioter, but baltimore was still rioting.

    Baltimore isn't the entirety of the US, hell it's not even the entirety of Maryland.

    history and current events demonstrate what I have said to be true.

    No, you're cherry picking. Only a small minority are "rioting" over this.

    has nothing to do with me.

    Of course it does. You're projecting what you feel is the correct course of action.

    I'm not fighting at all

    That's a matter of debate.

    [–]banthefucksnow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Stop wasting your time. These idiots have nothing better to do than throw a multiday hissy fit about being able to harass people. They need therapy and some friends.

    [–]pyr666 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Baltimore isn't the entirety of the US, hell it's not even the entirety of Maryland.

    No, you're cherry picking. Only a small minority are "rioting" over this.

    this is a matter of how one identifies a group action. how large of a piece of a group has to act before it can be said the group has done something? how many individuals within a group must be a certain way before the group is that way?

    if you really care that much: "a significant portion of the internet population will always react in this way to censorship"

    Of course it does. You're projecting what you feel is the correct course of action.

    you don't actually know how I feel about the mohammad thing, or any other example I've used.

    That's a matter of debate.

    pretty sure I'm the one who determines that.

    [–]bschott007 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    As someone who used newsgroups, gophernet and the original Web 1.0, no...this isn't how the internet responsed to censorship before. Then again, the people who used the internet were a bit more level headed, less drama queens. If censorship happened, we talked it over and figured a way to fix things without degrading our personal stances with the kind of whining happening now.

    When the general masses joined in using the internet, the average intellect dropped and the average drama increased.

    [–]Whatfuckinglosers -5ポイント-4ポイント  (6子コメント)

    You have to be such a broken person to think reddit must allow you to spend your pathetic life harassing strangers.

    You compared it to an act of god damn terrorism you sick motherfucker

    [–]pyr666 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    hello tumblr, no, that isn't what I said.

    [–]steak4take 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It is what you're implying. Really passively aggressively too.

    The thing about you is that you aren't actually brave enough to own your words, nor their implications. You just want to make a statement and then pretend that what it implies isn't what it implies so that you can deflect any criticism.

    [–]banthefucksnow -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

    No what you said was that banning shitheads from harassing suicidal strangers is equivalent to killing people who offend you

    [–]pyr666 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    still isn't what I said. perhaps try asking questions to gain clarification, rather than switching between different lines of outrage.

    [–]banthefucksnow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That mohammed thing was in response to terrorism, you said this is just like that so either youre a hyperbolic idiot or you're just an idiot

    [–]stupernan1 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    why are you making multiple accounts for this thread?

    [–]Felinomancy 13ポイント14ポイント  (23子コメント)

    Heh. It's funny how only the hate-filled subs seem to care about reddit's "core values".

    [–]IronTek 9ポイント10ポイント  (19子コメント)

    I care. It always provided to me great comfort knowing that, if the worst of the most abhorrent were free to say and do as they pleased on reddit, I would be as well.

    Now I'm not so certain.

    [–]Felinomancy 3ポイント4ポイント  (18子コメント)

    Presumably, you have nothing to be afraid of if you're not harassing anyone.

    [–]IronTek 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Presumably

    And that's the problem. Probably, sure. Perhaps not though.

    [–]Felinomancy 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Yes, presumably. No one will claim that the reddit admins are perfect, or can do no wrong.

    But in this case, they are justified in their actions. Call out their bullshit when it happens, sure; but I would prefer the current situation over a completely unregulated reddit.

    [–]IronTek 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    but I would prefer the current situation over a completely unregulated reddit.

    And while I respect that opinion, I would rather have a completely unregulated reddit.

    Upvotes and downvotes, along with moderation whenever the explicit rules of the subreddit have been violated, should be more than enough of a safeguard. And I think that they have been.

    All of this seems like unnecessary overreach and tarnishes what made reddit special.

    [–]butter14 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    There is a massive schism right now in Reddit. For the most part the core base, the supposed "old guard" of Reddit. These are the types of people who are nerds, fanboys, techies & 4channers. They HATE this new rule. But the last few years have seen a massive rise of mainstreamers to the site and they are generally okay with it.

    Case in point, look at the user /u/Felinomancy, Redditor for 8 months; he's supports Reddit's new rules, now look at the parent comment user /u/Irontek he's apprehensive; Redditor for six years. Look at the userbase and you will see a pattern. It's not always 100% accurate, there are always outliers, but in general this is what I'm seeing.

    It's two separate ideologies. For a long time the two could coexist but admins have forced their hand on the situation. Soon, the core group of Reddit will find a new place leaving the commoners, just like other social media websites who have fallen.

    It's sad, but it's just the circle of life for most websites, especially those built around social networks.

    [–]InternetWeakGuy[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You're assuming each account on reddit represents one person, and that person has only ever posted with that one account.

    I've been on reddit years myself, this account I've had for a couple of weeks.

    Sadly there are many many complete and utter shitlords on reddit, and many of them are dangerous (as evidenced in abundance by the FPH crow's actions) and many of us don't feel safe using any one account for longer than a few weeks.

    [–]butter14 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You're absolutely right and my observations are based more on a trend than a absolute. I was basically saying that there is some causality between the two data points, even though they may not be 100% accurate.

    [–]Felinomancy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    moderation whenever the explicit rules of the subreddit have been violated

    FPH is banned because they went beyond their subreddit. In addition, self-regulation rarely works; taking this debacle for example, any dissenting views in FPH would be immediately silenced.

    tarnishes what made reddit special.

    What, diversity of ideas? Sure. We have everything from cooking to white nationalist subreddits.

    [–]Drop_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Isn't that like saying "I have nothing to hide so I don't think privacy laws are necessary?

    [–]Felinomancy 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

    No.

    The difference is, the scope of the police is far greater than reddit. You cannot say, "I don't want to involve the police in my life". And the police can infringe on your liberty.

    Reddit is completely voluntary, is not a necessity, and it's a private entity in contrast with the police. So it's not the same thing at all.

    [–]Drop_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

    So you agree that it's the same thing, the only difference is the scope.

    aka it's good when reddit does it, it's bad when the government does it?

    [–]Felinomancy 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

    So you agree that it's the same thing, the only difference is the scope.

    Again, no. The recent NSA kerfuffle is considered unconstitutional. The recent reddit banning is due to harassment. Please explain how you think it's "the same thing"?

    [–]Drop_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

    It's the same principle

    "You have nothing to worry about as long as you [aren't doing x]."

    The only difference is the entity doing it and what rules they are bound by (the constitution for the government, basically nothing for reddit).

    The principle is still the same, though.

    [–]ehsahr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "You have nothing to worry about as long as you [aren't doing x]."

    Where X equals...

    Committing murder

    Having an affair

    Petting a kitten

    Watching porn

    Cleaning the sink

    Jumping on the bed

    They're all equivalent, right? I mean, like you said

    The only difference is the entity doing it and what rules they are bound by

    Edit: formatting

    [–]Felinomancy 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    The principle is still the same,

    Let me get this straight.

    Illegal violation of privacy is the same as punishing someone for harassment.

    You think this is the same in principle? Are you advocating no punishment for anything?

    [–]Drop_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Do you not understand that what is being discussed is principles and rights?

    The right to privacy and the right to freedom of expression.

    So saying that one entity can limit the right to privacy because people commit crimes is very in line with limiting the right to freedom of expression because people harass.

    They are actually quite similar despite being in different arenas.

    Both involve loosely defined violations or criteria, and both hinge on non-transparent and/or secret deliberation processes to decide whether or not the abridgment of it is warranted. The only difference is the justification for why it must not be transparent. Both also likely suffer from issues of selective enforcement.

    [–]stupernan1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    if you have nothing to hide you shouldn't worry about being searched.

    [–]banthefucksnow 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Since when is harassing suicidal people a core value?

    [–]Felinomancy 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I wouldn't know, but then again I'm not a bitter, hate-filled husk of a human being.

    [–]banthefucksnow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The person who posted the top comment is comparing the banning to the attacks on those drawing Mohammed

    [–]Sonotmethen 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Hes wrong though, they are censoring the front page now, they are doing the censoring that he says they aren't doing, they are shadowbanning people FFS who aren't even engaging in any harassing behavior. This guys just wrong.

    [–]InternetWeakGuy[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

    they are shadowbanning people FFS who aren't even engaging in any harassing behavior

    Examples?

    [–]Sonotmethen 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

    https://archive.is/9RFIp

    This thread has multiple users shadowbanned. I won't go as far as to say they are civil creatures commenting, but they are definitely NOT harassing by commenting within the thread. This is PAO on an ego trip.

    Also she is apparently so inept at her own website that she is CEO of that she thinks linking to PMs is something thats doable.

    [–]bschott007 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Because Pao personally is micromanaging the admins and taking direct action herself. /s

    For mature adults, we know that if Poa is aware of what is going on, which she probably didn't until this blew up in the Admin's faces, she is letting her Admin team do their thing and she gave general directions/mandates on what they should do.

    Poa was not actively involved in any of this. She wasn't at a PC and didn't ban these subs herself.

    [–]stupernan1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    she was making posts, she's more involved than you presume.

    and let me repeat

    you PRESUME,

    don't speak as if you know.

    [–]TooSmalley 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

    People forget that there is a thin line between humor and hate . FPH started out as a offensive humor subreddit but became something more else.

    What were the people who run reddit it supposed to do. Just run the servers and let people do what they do? that's not how you run a company. Fact of the matter is they want to reddit grow in popularity and importance. but right now reddit has shit reputation.

    The amount of times I've told people about reddit and their first responses are "I don't like to Reddit it's racist/sexist" has not been small.

    [–]j4390jamie 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Look I don't think FPH was a nice sub or should be supported. But I think anyone should be able to express their views and opinions in different ways, because this is the internet, there is no stopping something from happening by deleting it, it will just form again and again, and spread to other places. If they felt like it was offending enough people just remove it from showing up in /r/all, that way if someone wants to go join a community about hating of fat people they can, but the average person won't be effected by it.

    Hell I don't even go to /r/all, so all this hate, all this drama, I've barely seen any of it. And the only reason why i've seen is because people keep making memes about it.

    [–]InternetWeakGuy[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    If they felt like it was offending enough people

    That's not why it was removed. FPH posters including the mods of the sub were harrassing and threatening people in real life.

    [–]j4390jamie 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Oh, ok, I get why that was removed, but what about the policy change removing any 'Hateful' Subreddits?.

    [–]InternetWeakGuy[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    the policy change removing any 'Hateful' Subreddits

    Link? They had one about a month ago that was specific to harrassment if that's what you're talking about?

    I think you might be buying into the misrepresentation of FPH being removed for being hateful when it was made very clear it was removed because the users/mods were threatening/harassing people both inside and outside reddit.

    [–]j4390jamie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This, my thought process is that this is the internet, this sort of stuff just can't be stopped, it just doesn't work, it's like the war of drugs, or Anti-Piracy, it just does not work.

    So you can either let them have their little corner where they can think the way they want, or you remove it and it spreads elsewhere.

    My other issue with this, is I don't believe that any good can come from this, removing FPH might be a good thing right now, if you just look at it from a broad perspective. But what if they deem other subreddits harassment, what if we reveal that a politician/businessmen has been causing serious damage to the economy/environment and it just gets removed(it already is).

    Pretty much every popular newspaper, tv show or radio station is owned by a corporation that filters content based on the interest of those in charge of that cooperation. If this continues on Reddit, it will become just like those and the 'real' important news will be hidden away from the public eye and over time we will just be little cattle being led to a slaughter, completely controlled by whoever is at the top with no ability to stop them or even be aware of it happening.

    That's why I don't like this censorship, it's not because I support FPH, it's because I believe anyone should be entitled to an opinion, right or wrong, and be able to express that opinion in an open forum. Because that's how we end up in a free society in an equal and fair society and not a dictatorship being subjected to the opinions of the person in charge.

    [–]Draco-REX 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    ITT

    [–]WhosAfraidOf_138 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This entire fiasco made me realize how seriously some people take this site. Holy fuck, dudes, chill, there's a world outside of this website.

    [–]keenly_disinterested 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Mods are the rule-keepers of Reddit. If they can't—or won't—enforce the rules then Reddit absolutely should shut down their sub. What else can they do?

    Regarding "censorship:" One of Reddit's core values is freedom of expression, so some view it as hypocrisy when an account gets banned because a user express his/herself. Some call it censorship. I understand the complaint, but it's a complaint borne of confusion. Freedom of expression means you may express yourself however you choose, but freedom is one side of a two-sided coin. The other side is responsibility. Being free to express yourself means you are willing to accept the consequences.

    None of the users whose accounts have been banned are being censored. They are still free to post their opinions on other sites whose rules allow the type of expression that is forbidden at Reddit. They are also free to open another account at Reddit and continue expressing themselves (assuming they follow the rules henceforth) here, but they lose all the points they may or may not have accumulated with the banned account, or the consequence of exercising their freedom of expression.

    [–]dthvt 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I'm pretty sure creating a new account to circumvent a ban has been explicitly called out as prohibited behavior.

    [–]InternetWeakGuy[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    And? Reset your router, new IP, Reddit has literally no way of knowing you're not the account that was banned. Takes less than a minute.

    [–]keenly_disinterested 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Could be, but you gotta get caught...

    [–]scathing1 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Maybe the admins should consider that banning an entire sub for the actions of a few people feels like harassment?

    How about having competent rules for addressing the initial harassment instead of spreading it site wide. The admin response here was so mature and thoughtfully conceived. /s

    [–]InternetWeakGuy[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

    How about having competent rules for addressing the initial harassment instead of spreading it site wide.

    They do have rules. Reddit relies on mods to enforce the rules. The mods of that sub were (some of) the ones breaking those rules, and in the infractions were often as a direct result of mod encouragement. What else can they do?

    Also remember you can't ban a user from reddit. You can ban an account, but someone can register for a new one in seconds. Only way to get rid of the huge amount of infractions coming from a single sub where the mods are not only failing to mod but making things worse is to get rid of the sub.

    Really straight forward stuff here.

    [–]scathing1 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Also remember you can't ban a user subs from reddit. You can ban an account sub, but someone can register for a new one in seconds

    Corrected that for you. Really straight forward stuff here.

    [–]TheVanillaFog 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This was never about censorship. This was about shutting down a group that had become notorious for harassing, bullying, and just general dickery. Frankly, I'm surprised it took the admins as long as it did to get rid of a group that served as nothing but an embarrassment for the website.

    Who here would honestly recommend this site to a friend or coworker with this shit going on? No one can be proud of frequenting this site when the public perception of it is of a bunch of immature shitheads fighting for their right to bully.

    [–]chintzy 6ポイント7ポイント  (7子コメント)

    I think what a lot of people may not realize is that part of this drama comes from the venture capital firm Andreessen Horowitz investing in reddit and imgur. They were contributors to the money raised for both sites last year ($50 million and $40 million, respectively). They also have Facebook stock. Their biggest competitor is Berkshire Hathaway, who Ellen Pao used to work for and who she recently lost her discrimination lawsuit against (I believe she can still appeal, although she was demanding $2.7 million from them in exchange for not appealing). Anyways, Andreessen Horowitz poached her from the competition and promoted her to CEO of reddit (some think this was to raise her profile to get her lawsuit more attention) and she is implementing these new community guidelines which really do make the site more of a palatable acquisition for say, Facebook.

    Reddit is the tenth largest site on the Internet. It's been poorly managed since it was originally bought out, with glacial implementation of changes and poor execution of these initiatives, as well as having leadership woes (Yushan abruptly stepped down as CEO, allegedly because of a disagreement with the board about the new SF offices although he was making disparaging remarks about a certain former employee and the circumstances of their termination, publicly on reddit just before. Incidentally moving the offices to SF was a controversial move - people left - but also makes the company more appealing for acquisition.). Reddit also is quite behind on technology which is ironic considering the tech-savvy user base - they only recently rolled out a beta mobile site and their official App is only for AMAs.

    Reddit is a poorly managed company, they are trying to fix it all up though so they can get an offer and get some of that sweet sweet Facebook or Google money. I'm at work so apologies for not sourcing all of this, but it can all be found easily on the Internet and I will maybe edit this later with some links.

    [–]yen223 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Ellen Pao suit was against Kleiner Perkins, not Berkshire Hathaway. I'm pretty sure she doesn't have anything to do with Berkshire Hathaway.

    Edit: The former CEO of reddit's name was Yishan, not Yushan. Good god the number of errors in this post.

    [–]InternetWeakGuy[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Is this fact or opinion (about the VC firm moving in/repercussions)? Either way I would not at all be surprised. Being the 10th biggest site on the internet means many VC firms will be looking to pick them up. Can't do that when you have a lawsuit waiting to happen like FPH. Aside from the Imgur incident (which no doubt sped things up), it was only a matter of time before one of the people who was being messaged daily telling them to kill themselves actually did so, and Reddit would have had a pretty sizeable storm on their hands.

    On your point about Yushan - I don't imagine we know the real reason. I can't see him leaving that position over office placement. The former employee rant was probably him blowing off steam knowing he was in his closing days.

    Something kind of similar happened with someone I used to work with who was fourth (of seven) level management at a company where I used to work - we were bought by a large VC firm and she was told she was being laid off about two months before her last day, but only announced it a few days before stepping down.

    I was unknowingly with her the day she was told and I remember thinking "what the fuck is up with her today". On her last day we had a chat and she said "remember the day when... That was the day they told me. You were the only one in the room who didn't know".

    But just like Yishan, in the days before the announcement she did get a bit strict with someone, and afterwards people assumed that's why she left, but it was a done deal for months at that point.

    Similarly in 2005 one of the heads of Irelands largest bank quit when he was caught looking at porn on his computer. You would have to be pretty simple to assume that was the actual reason he left.

    [–]chintzy 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Well, my opinion is the part about reddit being historically mismanaged and them looking to get bought out, but the rest is all based on evidence and facts. I left out some of the more salacious rumors about Pao because those seem to mostly be hearsay and I don't think they need to be repeated.

    [–]InternetWeakGuy[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Sorry I meant about the VC firm and the effect that was having. I completely agree about the mismanagement. The first thing they need is to hire someone to manage how they convey their messages to the community. I agree with the things they say, but they say them so badly it's severely damaging to them.

    [–]bschott007 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    do that when you have a lawsuit waiting to happen like FPH

    Wut?

    Please, explain to me exactly what reddit can be sued over for the FPH incident?

    This is just so out there of a concept I just can't think of what legal standing any FPH users have to sue reddit. Are adults actually retaining lawyers or is this just some highschoolers talking big?

    [–]InternetWeakGuy[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm not sure why you think I'm suggesting anyone could sue reddit for banning FPH - I said FPH was a lawsuit waiting to happen until reddit banned it.

    [–]bschott007 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    My bad. I mistook your comment. Please accept my apology.

    [–]stupernan1 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    TIL people post comments in the middle of an argument to /r/bestof to try and make it the "winning side"

    [–]InternetWeakGuy[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The winning side? What the christ are you on about.