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[–][deleted] 213ポイント214ポイント  (494子コメント)

Reddit has officially jumped the shark. What this is is a mea culpa admitting that their history of letting the community police itself hasn't worked (it has) and beginning a crackdown on expression/speech/communities the admins don't like.

It started with /r/jailbait... but I wasn't a ephebophile so I didn't speak up. Then they came for /r/thefappening, but I didn't speak up because I wasn't into fuzzy pictures of people I don't know. Then they came for /r/gamergate, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a gamer.

I'm speaking up now. This is a step in a VERY WRONG direction and will be the end of reddit as we know it if it's allowed to continue

Instead of promoting free expression of ideas, we are seeing our open policies stifling free expression

No, you're seeing expression you don't like and have decided to stifle that. If you're going to become a curated community of safe spaces and hugboxes, say that. If you're going to be a space for free expression, then you have to understand that some expression will offend your sensibilities. That's a GOOD THING. How else can one find out that they're wrong if not for challenging their own ideas?

I really hope that the reddit admins reconsider the path they're going down. Shadowbanning those who question Ellen Pao, banning communities that they don't like... digg fell for less than this. Reddit could very well be next.

Edit: It's really funny how immediately after this post was linked in SRS, the downvotes and shitty comments started. But they don't brigade. Nope. Good work, guys (Yes I said guys like the goddamn cishet white male shitlord I am.)

[–]A_LITTLE_OLD_LADY 79ポイント80ポイント  (57子コメント)

Isn't r/gamergate astroturfed by the people who are against gamergate? thats pretty fucked up

[–][deleted] 73ポイント74ポイント  (43子コメント)

You get redirected to the antiGG sub.

[–]A_LITTLE_OLD_LADY 69ポイント70ポイント  (42子コメント)

thats the type of thing i would describe as harassment. deliberate topic misinformation. again, pretty fucked up.

[–]clodiusmetellus 22ポイント23ポイント  (9子コメント)

Tell it to r/trees.

[–]cameroncac 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Go to /r/marijuanaenthusiasts it has real plants.

[–]SgtBenjaminBreeg 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll never forget the day I discovered that sub, and spent the next 10 minutes trying to wipe the tears and take in air.

Good times.

[–]A_LITTLE_OLD_LADY 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

acceptable point but isn't trees a slang term for cannabis(not sure if it was before or after the creation of r/trees that it became in use), not exactly people who are anti-tree or inexplicably deceiving people who visit that sub.

[–]Edgeinsthelead 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes as is grapes and such. So i think it works. I actually subscribe to /r/trees which we know is about pot and /r/Marijuanaenthusiasts which is were I can look at actual trees.

[–]TrolledABearTwice 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then, on April Fool's day they switch places.

[–]HahahahaWaitWhat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trees was one of the most common terms for it when I was in high school, in the late 90s.

[–]TheCodexx 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

r/trees came about because the moderators of the marijuana subreddit ran a scam years ago and the entire database up and moved.

Subreddits were new so you could grab one like that and move in pretty easily.

[–]Sansa_Culotte_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Subreddits were new so you could grab one like that and move in pretty easily.

You can still do that. Happened with one of the anti-racist subs last year, which was first brigaded and then taken over by reddit's racist network.

[–]Will_Im_Not 14ポイント15ポイント  (14子コメント)

thats the type of thing i would describe as harassment.

I'm curious, what is your definition of harassment?

[–]AvatarOfMomus 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's not harassing anyone under any definition of harassment ever, since you have to chose to go there to interact with the sub. Reddit has a fairly strict "The mods of a sub are the mods of a sub" rule, regardless of the name of the sub or who used to own it.

If they want to set it up as a redirect then that's their choice.

[–]A_LITTLE_OLD_LADY 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

a quick glance at your post history (apologies but i like to know what type of people i interact with on reddit, especially for this thread. no harm meant.) shows you like world of tanks.
if r/worldoftanks was modded by a group of people who hated world of tanks, mods that insult people who play world of tanks, spread false information about world of tanks, mods who post obscene content there(apparently, havent seen it myself), redirect the subreddit to a place that is against world of tanks and attack those who want the subreddit in appropriate hands. the people would rightfully be up in arms about it.

sure, another subreddit would be made for the community but the existence of the squatted board would create unwanted friction between its members. people would be begging for Jingles to flatten the mod's houses with a Tog.
just another form of online dickishness that harasses and griefs people and the admins would stamp that out pretty quickly.

[–]AvatarOfMomus 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Funny thing actually, if you stalked back a bit further you'd find that I used to be really into Mechwarrior Online.

There are two subs for that game, one is /r/mwo and the other is /r/OutreachHPG. There used to be just 'mwo' but there was a bit of mod drama and a major schism in the community and mwo literally became a realistic version of what you're describing here. A lot of people posted about how much they hated the game, hated the devs, wanted to see the game die, and just generally not productive discussion (at least in my opinion, the rest is fact). The result was the creation of the second sub, where people with a bit more of an optomistic outlook gathered and there was a long running feud between the two subs for a long long time. Glancing at the front page of both it seems that things have calmed down significantly, but for a long time the 'mwo' sub was actively antagonistic to the devs and the game, never mind the other sub, and it says a lot that I can literally glance at the front page and tell that things have changed in the last ~6-8 months.

Anyways, the point of all of this is that this is hardly the first time this sort of thing has happened, and Reddit's official policy going back years has been that baring the few rules that allow taking over moderation of a subreddit the correct response is to create your own sub or community and compete. I would also point out that if someone else is running a sub in a way you don't like then there's already friction there, you're just choosing not to press the issue.

Also, because you should really up your reddit snooping game, I'm also a Game Dev and have about as much love for GamerGate as I do for the Sinus Infection I'm currently sporting. I'm also a semi-retired member of SRS, and it's good fun laughing at how butt-hurt people get over their existence, having seen both sides of it. Though that really doesn't change my stance on this matter. I've seen about as many communities fall victim to hijacking of one sort or another that I liked as that I didn't.

[–]A_LITTLE_OLD_LADY 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Didn't know about that feud, i was thinking more of the r/wow mod incident in regard to the mod ownership rights thing (should be srd archives of it somewhere). theres too much stubbornness in online communities and people refuse to let things go easily. thats the biggest hurdle places like reddit have to jump before things like safe spaces can happen. it will happen sooner or later (and i hope for it) but both sides have to stop firing the starter pistols at each other. i dont like snooping too much, feels indecent and rude.
sorry to hear about your sinus party, i had it recently and sneezed out the most fantastically awful "thing" thats ever come out of me.

[–]AvatarOfMomus 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sadly this particular sinus party is a bit of an annual event for me. I have very touchy sinuses and they don't like the change of seasons between Winter and Summer going either direction.

Anyways, sorry for the snark, that was a bit uncalled for and I was making assumptions. I hope the internet will become a better place as well, and I think things like this are an important step, but I also expect there to be a lot of push-back over this change from certain places, and I don't expect anything to happen quickly.

[–]A_LITTLE_OLD_LADY 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

No snark taken. Chatting with you has been refreshing and eye-opening for some points.
Please add more old ladies to video games, they are more than just a witch or a wife etc. my g-ma was in the WRENS for example , i dont think anyone has bothered to include them in any war game.

[–]fatcanadian 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

Eh. If Reddit admins didn't fix it for /r/holocaust being run by holocaust deniers, they aren't going to fix it for fucking gamergate.

[–]A_LITTLE_OLD_LADY 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The admins certainly should have dealt with that. It being more harmful for those that seek that information.

[–]blue_2501 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

deliberate topic misinformation

You mean like antiGG folks camping out on the main GamerGate wikipedia article?

[–]PM_ME_BUSINESS_TIPS 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who ever the people are that are denying that gaming journalism is corrupt have confused the GG and antiGG things so much that I don't even know which one is supporting and which one is against it anymore!

All I know is one uses evidence, and one ignores the evidence and uses personal attacks.

[–]Kernunno -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

It isn't their fault all of the linkable material happens to be anti gamergate.

[–]Saufsoldat 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Except they decide what constitutes a source and what doesn't.

[–]Kernunno -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, Wikipedia does. Wiki has some strict rules one what can and cannot be used. As it happens article written in well known reputable papers are fine. It is those articles that all damn you.

All gamer gate has in defense are some blog posts. Those are not useable.

[–]TitoTheMidget 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

It started with /r/jailbait[1] ... but I wasn't a ephebophile so I didn't speak up. Then they came for /r/thefappening[2] , but I didn't speak up because I wasn't into fuzzy pictures of people I don't know. Then they came for /r/gamergate[3] , and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a gamer. I'm speaking up now.

Top fucking kek

[–]Rsdd12 45ポイント46ポイント  (26子コメント)

If the best you've got for anti-censorship is "they banned our pedophile subreddit and our illegally obtained private nudes sub!", then your argument is shit.

[–]random_word_username 169ポイント170ポイント  (30子コメント)

It started with /r/jailbait... but I wasn't a ephebophile so I didn't speak up. Then they came for /r/thefappening, but I didn't speak up because I wasn't into fuzzy pictures of people I don't know. Then they came for /r/gamergate, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a gamer. I'm speaking up now.

OMG, please tell me this is a joke.

[–]Pomguo 75ポイント76ポイント  (8子コメント)

"First they stopped us from using Reddit to share child pornography... then they stopped us from sharing illegal stolen photos... then they told us to stop harassing and issuing death threats to people on twitter. WHEN WILL THE MADNESS END"

[–]getoutofheretaffer 37ポイント38ポイント  (12子コメント)

I'm speechless. They were upvoted for that.

[–]LatinArma 89ポイント90ポイント  (7子コメント)

No, this is what losers on Reddit actually think matters/is important.

[–]oblivioustoobvious 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, this is what losers on Reddit

Please stop with this language or you will be reported to the admins.

[–]DaedalusMinion 26ポイント27ポイント  (7子コメント)

their history of letting the community police itself hasn't worked (it has)

Nice meme.

The community has never policed itself, the moderators have.

[–]ultimatemuffin 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well, from reddit's perspective moderators are a part of the community.

[–]DaedalusMinion -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are but they are also above them with regards to the level of control over specific parts of the website.

You can downvote a racist comment, a moderator can permanently remove it. That, I feel is a significant difference.

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    [–]RedditAddict11 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

    A worthy alternative takes it's place soon enough, It's happened before with Digg.

    People have been saying the same thing about Facebook for about 8 years now, except instead of Digg they say MySpace.

    [–]ZuP 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Facebook bought instagram to own it's toughest competition.

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      [–]Willetscat 23ポイント24ポイント  (7子コメント)

      If the Gamergaters, Jailbaiters, and Fappening-ers would go away forever to avoid "censorship", I would be sooooo happy

      [–]RickardIron -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Because in SJWland, Gamergate = people who fap to little kids or to stolen nudes

      [–]alekzander01 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

      But /r/jailbait was a real subreddit, and people who were against pedophiles get downvoted to oblivion (see the AMA of that catch a predator guy)

      [–]Woahtheredudex -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

      You're against harassment so you respond by libel and harassment? Way to be a hypocritical piece of shit.

      [–]RickardIron 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Check out the rest of his posts. Talk about being a racist and a huge asshole in general, to boot.

      [–]TheCodexx -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You say that, but then when reddit become even worse and the "next big thing" becomes popular, you and the rest of the cancer will find a way to spread, I'm sure.

      If reddit is so bad, why don't you get off? Oh, I guess that's pretty hard when you're a dickless whiner.

      [–]RickardIron -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Wow.

      So that was racist.

      Also bullying.

      You're a gem of a person.

      [–]SuperNES_Chalmerss -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE WHITE NATIONALISTS AND PEDOPHILES!!!!

      [–]red_leinad 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Does Voat constitute copyright infringement? It even looks like reddit.

      [–]thunder-cricket 149ポイント150ポイント  (25子コメント)

      If it gets too bad on reddit, you can always go to http://stormfront.com/

      [–]Katastic_Voyage 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Is that some weird autocorrect for voat.co? Because that URL leads to a generic page with nothing on it.

      [–]thunder-cricket -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

      i guess it's .org. I don't frequent the site and my point stands.

      [–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I see what you did there.

      [–][deleted] 69ポイント70ポイント  (18子コメント)

      Holy shit quit with this hebejebephile stuff. Being attracted to girls who are in 8th grade is not a fucking sexual orientation. Quit jacking off to kids and maybe try maturing a bit so girls your own age don't frighten you.

      [–]TheVegetaMonologues 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

      The fact that something has a technical name doesn't mean anyone who uses that name is endorsing it.

      [–]JasonDavidWongPargin 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Oh god this is perfect parody. Wait, it is parody, right?

      [–]KindaConfusedIGuess 27ポイント28ポイント  (5子コメント)

      /r/gamergate never was an actual GG sub. It was squatted on by SJWs the same day the word GamerGate was invented and it posted nothing but anti-Gamergate content.

      [–][deleted] 28ポイント29ポイント  (3子コメント)

      For actual gamergate content, /r/KotakuInAction. If that's not the circlejerk you're looking for, /r/gamerghazi is the exact thing, but antigamergate

      [–]Holkr 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Actually, initially they posted Sonic/MLP porn. Much hilarity ensued

      [–]Metaphoricalsimile 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

      the downvotes and shitty comments started.

      I'm so sorry your sensibilities were offended.

      [–]yolohundo3 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      muh downvote brigade!!!

      147 points

      le persecution complex faic :^)

      [–]thefx37 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      their history of letting the community police itself hasn't worked (it has)

      I stopped taking you seriously right there.

      [–]cloud-cover 43ポイント44ポイント  (62子コメント)

      It started with /r/jailbait... but I wasn't a ephebophile so I didn't speak up. Then they came for /r/thefappening, but I didn't speak up because I wasn't into fuzzy pictures of people I don't know. Then they came for /r/gamergate, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a gamer.

      So they're getting rid of the pedophiles, the amoral creeps, and the whining misogynists? God I'm fucking excited.

      [–]TotesMessenger 11ポイント12ポイント  (26子コメント)

      [–]MuseofRose 25ポイント26ポイント  (19子コメント)

      HELP HELP. THEYRE BEING HARASSED!

      [–]bjokey 15ポイント16ポイント  (17子コメント)

      Worst part is, when people try to criticise SRS, the comment just gets posted there to try and brigade the unfortunate user.

      [–]Commercialtalk 29ポイント30ポイント  (4子コメント)

      +112

      "Brigade"

      [–]alcoholic_loser -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

      How does math work? Just because your numbers are small doesn't mean you aren't brigading, dumbfuck.

      [–]miamiflashfan 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Dude, just deal with it. Stop trying to play the victim in this Professional Victim Cult you have such an issue with.

      [–]Commercialtalk -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      If it's not doing anything how do you know it's happening / why do you care if it's happening?

      [–]TheExaltedFox 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      When all of the child comments that agree with the OP are downvoted, that just means that SRS didn't have enough participants to completely reverse the score on the main post. I hope you understand that not every sub that brigades has as many people as /r/bestof.

      [–]MuseofRose 6ポイント7ポイント  (11子コメント)

      WHAT HOW DARE YOU? UH YOUR ONLY POSTED BECOZ UR A SHITTY HUMAN BEING. THAT DOESNT SUPPORT FEMINISM OR MAKE MYSOGINISTIC COMMENTS! YOU DESERVE THIS HARASSMENT YOU CHILD PEDOFILE RAPE LOVER. SRS ARE ANGELS SOMETHIN SOMETHIN BOOGEYMAN

      [–]kinderdemon 9ポイント10ポイント  (10子コメント)

      Actually this is less an outrage post and more for lulz at how stupid the gamersgate/jailbait etc discourse has gotten.

      In the social marxist sjw discourse we call it "cross-sectionality" when say, feminist, queer and racial minority groups share common interests and enemies. Here you guys are united in solidarity by your shitty, shitty taste in hobbies and reactionary views.

      Top keks to be found here.

      source: am SRSr

      [–]MuseofRose -4ポイント-3ポイント  (5子コメント)

      i think I almost nailed the shitty SRSer impression guys! Will add crosssectionality and racial minorities next time as well as holier than thou judgement. LOL.

      [–]Kernunno 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

      When you see defending actual pedophiles they are holier than thou.

      [–]MuseofRose 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Note to self add more straw during parodies!

      [–]note-to-self-bot 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Don't forget:

      add more straw!

      [–]AvatarOfNothing 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Reddit: harassment, vote brigading, and treating people badly needs to stop.

      SRS: NOT ON OUR WATCH MOTHERFUCKERS!

      [–]AtaraxicMegatron 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Ah, I see. This is the harrassment they were talking about. User was harrassed away before they could report the submitter.

      [–]jakomocha 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It started with /r/jailbait... but I wasn't a ephebophile so I didn't speak up. Then they came for /r/thefappening, but I didn't speak up because I wasn't into fuzzy pictures of people I don't know. Then they came for /r/gamergate, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a gamer.

      Wow, because this is totally comparable to the Holocaust...

      Unbelievable.

      [–]JackalKing 11ポイント12ポイント  (39子コメント)

      I really don't like that you are lumping GamerGate in with potentially criminal activities... It sends an odd message.

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        [–]JackalKing 2ポイント3ポイント  (14子コメント)

        Oh, and why is that?

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          [–]JackalKing 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

          Please, tell me about all the illegal activities GamerGate has participated in. Provide some cold, hard evidence. I'll wait.

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            [–]JackalKing -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

            Fair enough. But I think putting GamerGate on the same level as people who jack off to children shows an extreme lack of understanding.

            [–]Pomguo 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

            Not a fan of how GG seems to be more about targetting journos who treat women as people than it is about "corruption" (targets' evidence of corruption tends to be sticking up for women and feminists online, which is not what that word means), but yeah. Saying they're equivalent to paedophiles and those who shared illegal, stolen private nudes is not even slightly fair.

            Though those who do the whole death threats thing are getting close.

            [–]Woahtheredudex 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Not a fan of how GG seems to be more about targetting journos who treat women as people than it is about "corruption" (targets' evidence of corruption tends to be sticking up for women and feminists online, which is not what that word means)

            Have you actually done any research into the history of GG? Sure seems like you haven't.

            [–]JackalKing 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Your comment about "treating women as people" is blatantly false. Generally, its the opposite. They treat women like infants, incapable of deciding things for themselves, or use women as a shield to hide behind when their corrupt practices are called into question.

            Was Nathan Grayson sticking up for women when he entered into a conflict of interest with Zoe Quinn, and at least 8 other people?

            Was Arthur Gies treating women like people when he decided for everyone that attractive women was a bad thing? I didn't know sticking up for women meant going back to Puritan ways where showing any skin was to be punished and shunned.

            Was Ben Kuchera defending feminists when he harassed multiple people, attempting to get them fired because he disagreed with them, or when he wrote an article promoting blatantly false sexual harassment allegations against Brad Wardell without giving him a chance to defend himself(which led to his kid getting bullied in school and his family threatened)? He never apologized for that, by the way, even though several other publications did. He tried to destroy a man's life and showed no remorse. How about when Ben Kuchera tried to get Chris Mancil fired for, gasp, even linking to an article by Ben Kuchera!

            Was Leigh Alexander helping women by engaging in doxxing, threatening to use her power to blacklist developers or get people fired, or when she entered into no less than 10 known conflicts of interest and bragged about having an agenda, or how about when she encouraged people to break the IGN and Gamespot terms of use? How about when she admitted to leaking her book online for free after taking the publisher's money, robbing them of sales? Or how about when she lied about being a part of GameJournoPros?

            How about when GamerGate exposed the person harassing Anita Sarkeesian and Jason Scheier twisted it into a narrative blaming GG on everything anyway? Or when he lied about a survey he polled on twitter, claiming the results said that most people thought review scores were the problem with games journalism, when the reality is that publisher-journalists relations had gotten over three times as many votes? What did that have to do with women? Or when he claimed he had never been contacted for comment prior to the GamesJournoPros leak, but there is proof on twitter that he was?

            How about when Kirk Hamilton wrote favorably about Diablo 3's DRM while his website was conveniently running a massive Diablo 3 ad campaign, only to years later, when the DRM itself had been pulled, change his opinion? Did Diablo 3's DRM somehow help women?

            How about when Patricia Hernandez wrote about the false rape accusations against Max Tempkin, claiming he spent too much time defending himself and not enough time contemplating that he might have done something wrong...apparently someone falsely accused of rape should just admit it and accept ridicule rather than defend themselves. Was that helping women in any way?

            Or how about every single journalist who took part in the collective "Gamers are dead" articles? How exactly were they championing women? What about all the ones that collectively held up the ridiculous "medievalPOC" blog post as a way to try and pressure a developer to insert black people in a game set in a region and time period in which there were no black people, passively implicating the developer was racist by not doing so? This is a blog post, by the way, which believes in the hilariously racist "one drop rule."

            Was all of that to help women? Was ANY of that written to help women or treat them like people? Or was it really just a bunch of unethical bullshit that the journalists tried to cover up by claiming the people accusing them of wrongdoing were misogynist?

            By the way, the vast majority of death threats sent in EITHER direction (either towards people GamerGate don't like, or towards members of GamerGate itself) have either been flat out confirmed to be third party trolls, or its very likely. The actual death threats sent from either side are so small as to be indistinguishable from random internet bullshit.

            If you think I'm lying about any of the stuff I posted here, you are free to look it up yourself. Here is a database of many of the unethical journalistic practices that GG has been tracking.

            The public opinion of GG is rather negative, and this is owed to the fact that people get their opinion from the media, and the media is the one GG is going after. Who is going to write favorably about a group that is exposing their corrupt business?

            And then of course people repeat the lies often enough and it becomes "truth." GamerGate isn't perfect, and never will be. Its a random assortment of all sorts of people from all over the globe. There are bound to be a few assholes among them. But the people trying to paint the whole thing as misogynistic, or a hate group, or "gamers are worse than ISIS" (thats a quote from a journalist btw) are so incredibly corrupt and blatantly wrong as to be almost parodies.

            These are the facts. Among the biggest "celebrities" in GamerGate are a gay journalist(who received death threats and threatening stuff mailed to his home for being involved in GG), a feminist professor, and a female game developer who had coverage of her game pulled for being sympathetic to GamerGate. If this is a hate group meant to help heterosexual white men, as so often claimed, then these facts should not be true, and yet they are.

            I may have come off as rather belligerent in this comment, but I'm sick of having GamerGate accused of bullshit. There are plenty of things GamerGate can be criticized for. Its easy! They focus on the "SJW" aspect too much when not a lot of journalistic stuff is going on. Boom, accurate criticism right there. Gamergate occasionally loses focus. Easy criticism. But "targeting women?" Complete and total bullshit that is completely unsupported by any evidence.

            [–]vadergeek 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I'd say that's a much, much smaller chunk.

            [–][deleted] -1ポイント0ポイント  (21子コメント)

            Neither sub was criminal. Creepy and immoral, yes. But neither sub was actively breaking any laws in the US. The people who stole the pictures absolutely were. But sharing them is a very grey area, legally (IANAL, could be wrong, but this is my understanding.) Likewise, taking pictures of things and people in public or in plain sight is completely legal, regardless of their age or your intent with the photos.

            [–]JackalKing 6ポイント7ポイント  (19子コメント)

            That is why I said "potentially".

            Personally, I agree with jailbait being deleted. Probably even TheFappening too(haven't thought about that one too much). But my personal opinion doesn't actually matter, so that is a moot point.

            It opened reddit up to possible legal trouble. I can completely understand them deleting those subs to protect themselves.

            Its possible no laws at all were broken with the majority of content for r/jailbait, but I can understand the admins not wanting to take that risk.

            TheFappening also opened them up to possible lawsuits.

            Regardless, GamerGate(its actual sub being /r/KotakuInAction ) is completely unlike those other two though. There is no potential legal trouble from it. Its not a sub for sharing stolen photos, its a sub for exposing corruption in journalism, and dealing with censorship.

            [–]laiki 18ポイント19ポイント  (14子コメント)

            its a sub for exposing corruption in journalism, and dealing with censorship

            you mean it's a sub for whining about how SJW's are ruining everything

            [–]JackalKing 2ポイント3ポイント  (13子コメント)

            There is a fair bit of whining about SJWs, but its usually because the two go hand in hand. The corrupt journalists hide behind their SJW friends, who then accuse anyone critical of them of being misogynists.

            As this post here shows, the vast majority of KiA's content IS focused on journalism, ethics, corruption, and censorship.

            [–]laiki 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

            KiA is very focused on political aspects, that's true, but I personally don't think they distinguish very well between actual corruption and people they merely dislike for unrelated reasons like Anita Sarkeesian.

            [–]JackalKing 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

            GamerGate didn't start things with Anita Sarkeesian. Sarkeesian was completely unrelated to the issue...until she started claiming that everyone involved in GamerGate were the same people who had been "harassing" her. She was one of the original people pushing the "GamerGate hates women" narrative. She literally injected herself into the conversation to raise her publicity. It had nothing to do with her, but she made it about her.

            But beyond that, Anita is involved in corruption, and so is extremely relevant to GamerGate, as much as we wish she wasn't.

            She hasn't even delivered half of the videos she promised from her kickstarter, and this is years after they were supposed to be finished, despite getting 159k dollars when she only asked for 6k. Random youtubers do more work, and put more polish into their vidoes, in a week than she managed to do in two years.

            She stole video footage from other Youtubers and passed it off as her own in the videos that she DID manage to do. Remember, she got 159k dollars to do these videos and she couldn't even be asked to make her own damn footage. She took it from others who won't be seeing a cut of that 159k dollars.

            She has very obviously not played the games she criticizes, because she often gets her facts completely wrong. She falsely claimed that Hitman encouraged and rewarded you for harming female strippers in a level, when the truth is that the game actually encourages you to avoid them and punishes you for hurting them. She slandered a game and its developers, as well as anyone who enjoyed those games, for her own publicity.

            She has in the past stolen artwork from artists.

            She continues to spread the same rhetoric that Jack Thompson tried to spread years ago, but she does it in the name of "feminism". The reason I put feminism in quotes is because she isn't fighting for women, she is fighting for her own checkbook. When your argument is that "everything is sexist and everything is racist"(a direct quote from her, by the way.), you aren't actually trying to fix a problem, you are just making yourself indispensable.

            She took advantages of a school shooting to push her narrative for christ's sake, blaming it on "toxic masculinity". This is a woman who has more in common with a politician than someone who actually cares about gaming. She continues to push the idea that video games cause sexism, with no evidence to back this up, while an actual scientific study says it simply isn't true.

            She and the guy who probably writes most of her material, Jonathan McIntosh, showed sympathy at the death of Osama Bin Laden, but were happy as fuck to see Christopher Hitchens die. Hitchens, the man who volunteered to be waterboarded to show people how horrible it was. This man deserved ridicule from them when he died, but when Osama Bin Laden died it was suddenly "all death is tragic."

            Anita Sarkeesian isn't a games journalist, but she is just as corrupt and unethical as Ben Kuchera and people like him.

            The best part is that GG actually uncovered the actual guy who was harassing and threatening her. They found out who he was, and where he lived. He was entirely unrelated to GG. They provided this information to Sarkeesian so that she could press charges. Did she? No, of course not. The media then tried to blame the whole thing on GG anyway, when the guy really behind it was a clickbait journalist from Brazil. GamerGate went out of their way to help someone who hates them in order to clear their name, something they shouldn't have had to do in the first place, and Sarkeesian didn't give a shit. Games media didn't give a shit. It made them more ad money to just blame GG.

            Anita Sarkeesian is the biggest offender when it comes to hiding behind women's issues to cover up her bullshit. She refuses to allow criticism of her views, fails to provide evidence for her claims, and accuses anyone who disagrees with her of being a misogynist, harasser, or some other equally unpleasant thing. She wasn't originally related to the GamerGate issue, but she certainly is now.

            [–]gowby -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

            And getting women out of gaming.

            [–]Meowsticgoesnya 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Clearly this is why they had all these boycott journalism days http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/search?q=Boycott+of+the+day&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all

            Because the absolute best way to scare women out of gaming is to message gaming journalism advertisers!

            [–]TobiasCB 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

            The Fappening has been removed for PR.

            [–]JackalKing 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Yes, PR was probably the main reason. After all, similar subs like TheFappening exist that aren't about celebrity photos, but instead photos of regular people. But legal reasons was also part of it, and was the "legitimate" reason they needed to remove it.

            [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            it doesn't need to break a law for a private company to remove the content from their website you fucking moron jesus christ

            look at all the whiny babies itt

            look at them

            [–]LatinArma 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Right, so you're trying to defend non-consentual photos of minors and illegally stolen private pictures being stopped? Okeedoke.

            Calling jailbat and the fappening "expression" is laughable at best.

            [–]belmincour 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Even better, they literally compared it to the Holocaust!

            [–]Racecarlock 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

            their history of letting the community police itself hasn't worked (it has)

            HAHAHAH AHAHAHAZH HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

            That's the funniest joke of the year.

            [–]atheistium 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

            While "free speech" in important I don't think closing subs that are created purely to ridicule people, abuse people or to rally up together to emotionally distress are worth the weight of free speech.

            Free speech should be used to protect people trying to uncover injustices in the world, not to protect racist or nasty people from continuing to be utter assholes.

            There are some fantastic communities on reddit that offer support, help and general awesomeness without anyone getting hurt or upset. We should be promoting those and taking out the trash.

            Free speech is often thrown about on reddit and it's usually when someone is banned for being an asshole. The they cry free speech! They're censoring my abuse! SJWs! No. Stop being nasty. Stop thinking that it's ok to post horrible or embarrassing pictures of people without their permission and then shout at them when they take offence. Stop posting pictures of minors in a sexual context, stop trying to justify a hate mob as free speech. Stop crying about SJWs (every time I see people post it The cringe is beyond real).

            What upsets me the most is how resistant people are to what hopefully we be a positive change. Cyber bullying is a huge problem. We've all probably done it (I know I've been a total asshole) but if you're going to be an asshole then maybe you shouldn't have access to a free service.

            You can be constructive without being an asshole. There's a huge weight loss community who are about promoting a good life style but there's also a huge community about laughing at fat people. You look at the comments and people in the shaming subreddit all claim to be gym going healthy fit people who instead of using their knowledge to help fat people, think it's perfectly normal and ok to post pictures of them and laugh. Is it just me who thinks that's sad?

            Sorry for the rant. It's just after being in online communities for 20 years now, it's depressing hat cyber bullying is only now being slowly tackled.

            [–]str1cken 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            You were linked at +28 and you're at +170 now. But yeah, the brigade is totes real.

            And seriously, you just compared sharing child pornography to suffering genocide in the holocaust. You're so brave.

            [–][deleted] 10ポイント11ポイント  (62子コメント)

            Brigade brigade brigade

            You think pedophilia is justifiable

            Fuck your entire shit

            [–]youdonotnome -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Aaaand... That's why we can't have adult debates here

            [–][deleted] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

            "debates" over the acceptability of pedophilia? You already lost. By being a pedophile.

            [–]JitGoinHam 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

            Then they came for /r/gamergate, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a gamer.

            What actions did the admins take against /r/gamergate? Didn't hear about that one. Sounds like bullshit to me.

            But I'm glad you posted this version of the poem. It's important to realize that having your account shadowbanned on reddit is literally comparable to the Holocaust. It's not like you can just create a new account and continue using reddit.

            Shadowbanning those who question Ellen Pao...

            There's zero evidence that ever occurred.

            ...banning communities that they don't like...

            The two examples of communities being shut down exposed the site owners to criminal and civil liability. If you expect illegal activities to find safe harbor on reddit, you have genuinely stupid expectations for the website.

            [–]JackalKing 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

            What actions did the admins take against /r/gamergate[2] ? Didn't hear about that one. Sounds like bullshit to me.

            Well, not /r/gamergate (because that isn't the actual gamergate sub), but /r/KotakuInAction was basically told "If you even LINK to another subreddit or post its grounds for a ban." Now the people over there are very wary about linking to anything on reddit itself.

            Meanwhile, we have subreddits that are entirely set up for this purpose. SRS, bestof, etc.

            One set of rules was applied to the people the admins liked, and another set of rules to the people they didn't like.

            [–]Pomguo 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

            SRS isn't set up for vote brigading, it's against the rules and defeats the entire point (they only link to highly upvoted questionable material - if they then downvoted it, it would defeat the point they were trying to make about terrible stuff being popular on Reddit).

            [–]JackalKing 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Just because its against the rules doesn't mean they don't break the rules. Its not a secret. Its not even remotely covered up. SRS blatantly brigades, but they have friends in high places so they don't get shut down.

            [–]Pomguo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Don't they spend all their time complaining about the admins? The admins do seem more content to just let everything lie unless there's a media shitstorm about it - SRS usually tries to whip up these media frenzies rather than any kind of shady admin clampdown. They wouldn't need the publicity if they had the admins' ear.

            But yeah, individual users breaking the rules in other subs is out of those mods' control. They can't police the actions of users when they go to other subs. But again, it's against SRS's mission to downvote - it only works if bad stuff is highly upvoted. It's more likely surely that if any kind of sneaky behaviour was going on, it'd be that they were further upvoting 'the poop' in order to make Reddit seem worse?

            [–]rag3train 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Have you not fucking read any of this thread? Search by controversial and see all the sjw friendly responses double the opinion against it. It's classic brigading.

            [–]AmidTheSnow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            SRS, if, say, KIA is shut down, you, and GooberGhazi GamerGhazi, will be shut down too.

            [–]DorianNewgang 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Yeah I bet the Jewish self defense squads during WWII would be totally ok with you comparing them to a bunch of ephwvkrkvkeibiacldñbphiles and manchildren.

            [–]Thtb 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

            SRS is strange, yesterday they made a post concering the topic of a rapist playing in a Magic tournament and cherry picked some qoutes from the discussion, except the tiny fact that his sentences has been served - i.e. going to jail for muder and then coming out 30 years later with the mob still waiting and waving there pitch forks.

            Maybe the angry mob/mod appears to be the right comperession since I got banned for offering up that fact with a angry "you have been banned from posting to /r/ShitRedditSays: srs core values: shtu the fuck up and go away."

            Facts < Rage over there...

            [–]CallMeMrBadGuy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            SRS is pro-perpetual punishment or death penalty. Theyd rather see someone punished for any crime even if sentence was served. Hell they'd like to see this enacted on the mere accusation without a trial. Oh and pedophiles (which they call anything btw) need to be killed not rehabilitated.

            [–]flyersfan314 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            You have to be fucking me. You people gave this positive karma? Reddit really does need more moderation.

            [–]duglock -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

            Shadowbanning those who question Ellen Pao, banning communities that they don't like... digg fell for less than this. Reddit could very well be next.

            Liberals hate diversity and refuse to tolerate anyone that doesn't subscribe to their ideology. There have been several psychological studies done - they are the only group that hates members of other ideologies/groups. It is a hate based ideology masking itself as caring. There is a reason that you see no other group in the US rioting, looting, assaulting people holding signs on the side of the road, etc. When in a group or given power it becomes an orgy of censorship, violence, jealousy, and force. It's been that way for almost a hundred years and won't change any time soon.

            [–]ThePerdmeister 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

            /u/isreactionary_bot duglock

            There have been several psychological studies done - they are the only group that hates members of other ideologies/groups

            lol, really? The only group that hates people? Link to "several psychological studies," pls.

            There is a reason that you see no other group in the US rioting, looting, assaulting people holding signs on the side of the road, etc

            You can't be serious. The Oklahoma City bombing (which killed 168) was undertaken by right-wing terrorists. The Centennial Olympic Park bombing was undertaken in protest of abortion and the "global socialist" movement. In the 80s alone, more than 75 right-wing extremists were prosecuted in the US for acts of terrorism. You also seem to be woefully unaware of American white supremacist terrorism, Christian extremism, Islamophobic attacks, etc.

            When in a group or given power it becomes an orgy of censorship, violence, jealousy, and force

            As opposed to fascist dictatorships, right-wing military juntas, fundamentalist theocracies, right-wing oligarchies, etc., which are peaceful, loving forms of governance, right?

            [–]isreactionary_bot 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

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