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[–]CherryPickTheGirls 106ポイント107ポイント  (1子コメント)

has a voting system that rewards quality content

Well, it has a voting system.

[–]1knitro 142ポイント143ポイント  (7子コメント)

From the intro:

I am here to say, for better or for worse, the frame around public discourse is a feminist frame, and we've lost our identity because of it.

But this isn't the end of the world. The world is changing, but men are still part of it. We just need to make sure we're changing with it.

It's too easy to blame feminism for our troubles.

Men, our happiness is our responsibility. Culture has always shifted, it's dynamic and fluid. It has never and will never stay still.

Feminism was inevitable. Equal rights are something I strongly am in support of. For men and women.

Women have the right to pursue happiness. Nobody should tell them otherwise.

Maximizing happiness is the goal of every living creature on this planet.

Men, we need to recognize that since women are rightfully seeking out happiness, evolutionary psychology is more relevant today than ever in the past century (and possibly longer). We no longer run the show. And I, for one, don't disagree that marriage had to change if we were to see equal rights.

But now it's time to get serious and realize that our strategy needs to change. Feminism is a sexual strategy. It puts women into the best position they can find, to select mates, to determine when they want to switch mates, to locate the best DNA possible, and to garner the most resources they can individually achieve

This is the redpill I signed up to during its nascent days, not the clickbaity anger that we see everywhere. Let's get back to this, everyone.

[–]-Quotidian 50ポイント51ポイント  (1子コメント)

I fully agree. For me, the Red Pill was never about feminism--it was about me, about men, and about what was working and what wasn't working in our lives. We weren't happy. We didn't feel right, didn't feel like men, and we didn't know why.

Unplugging is the first step of many. On the road back to manhood.

[–]alpha-game 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

this is one of the most important things it's been for me too. positive identity for men. that shit DOESN'T EXIST in today's world anymore.

[–]LongElm 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Totally right. Time to reread that handbook again after some time with FR and meta posts

[–]Rage-Blanket -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Women have the right to pursue happiness but in their pursuit if they step on my toe I'll cut their foot off!

[–]Kalepsis 27ポイント28ポイント  (7子コメント)

I am Grammar Hitler, so I will be contributing my time for the purpose of editing for spelling errors, syntax, etc.

I support the notion of a hardcopy wholeheartedly but please consult me before sending it to a printer.

[–]Thethrowawayoption 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Grammar Goebbels, reporting in.

[–]StillRedder 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait til Pao hears of this! That bitch will be Schindler!

[–]BlaineWolfe 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am Grammar Hitler

I read that as Grandma Hitler and chuckled

[–]tuxedoburrito 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'd be down to help design a cover, and some chapter art.

edit: A few concept designs I threw together.

[–]-Quotidian 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

Some of these entries are fantastic, and the Handbook is a valuable resource…but some good entries are tempered by great comment feedback. There is much wisdom in our community that I don't see in the Red Pill Handbook, or I see it at the very end and largely without context.

I think a physical Red Pill Handbook could do a lot of good…but this isn't it. Not yet. If we're going to do the thing, let's not just do it--let's blast a crater around it, fill that crater with SJW tears, and carve a monument to it's glory at the center of that lake. Let's turn this iron into steel and beat it into a masterpiece.

[–]billthane 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree, the comments are very valuable. What if we collect the best quotes in a thread? We've all saved our favourites, so no doubt we could assemble a good collection in short order.

[–]-Quotidian 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shouldn't be too difficult. Contact a mod, see how it goes.

[–]bobbybluepill 31ポイント32ポイント  (24子コメント)

I have experience publishing books. Currently, I have a book published via Amazon which is available in paperback worldwide through 100s of retail channels--you could go to a bookstore in pick it up. My book is catalogued by the Library of Congress as well. Additionally, it is available for download on Kindle, iTunes, and Google Play. I have a PDF version available at a website for a discounted price also.

There are three big hurdles in doing something like this:

  1. The handbook will need to be formatted as a manuscript so that it can be printed and bound. This will take a lot of formatting work.
  2. In order to distribute the book, someone will need a company with an EIN for tax purposes, since the book will be sold (preferably, at cost plus a bit more to cover business taxes, incorporation fees, etc.). Who is willing to set up a corporation with their name attached to it? This will be searchable.
  3. Kindle, iTunes, and Google Play all have different processes for publishing. Currently, my own book looks great on Kindle and Google Play but absolutely terrible on iTunes because Steve Jobs put forth insane formatting standards.

Honestly, IMO, the best bet is to just go with a simple PDF and have it hosted to Puerarchy.com. A physical book sounds nice, but there is risk associated with it and a lot of hoops to jump through.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 18ポイント19ポイント  (23子コメント)

  1. The book is already formatted in epub format
  2. Rollo is already selling a Red Pill book so is Jack Donavon there are plenty of people who don't give a fuck. We have an entire network of men in Non Angloshpere countries that we can use to register.
  3. This is a physical hard copy so this isn't a concern

[–]bobbybluepill 17ポイント18ポイント  (22子コメント)

The book is already formatted in epub format

epub will not translate well to a physical form factor.

Rollo is already selling a Red Pill book so is Jack Donavon there are plenty of people who don't give a fuck.

Understood. I'm simply pointing out that someone will have to associate themselves with a physical book. It needs to be known and that person needs to understand the repercussions associated.

This is a physical hard copy so this isn't a concern

I sell many more e-books than physical books. To limit this to hardcopy only doesn't make much sense (to me at least). TRP exists largely because of it's online presence. Additionally, a hard copy will not be able to hyperlink to relevant examples, studies, etc. cited within the handbook.

I get that you want the proceeds to go to RedPillSchool for infrastructure, but you will amass more money making it available on Kindle, iTunes, and Google Play.

I'm simply giving insight, having sold several thousands of books... Do as you wish.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 14ポイント15ポイント  (16子コメント)

What is the best format for a physical form factor?

There are plenty of people who would gladly associate with the book. We could easily attach some Eastern European or South American man to this project who would face zero backlash.

What you dont understand is that you can't wave an E Book in front of Oprah's fat face you can't give an Ebook as a gift. A lot of people here want a physical souvenir that they can point to and say I was a part of that. Their are ideological implications to having a physical book as the red pill has zero physical presence in its current state.

A quality book with nice paper and detailed illustrations can be a source of pride for this community. Im sure an Ebook could be produced as well without too much hassle.

[–]bobbybluepill 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

What is the best format for a physical form factor?

Here's what you need to consider...

You need to scale the manuscript to the appropriate size for your book. Octavo (6" x 9") and quarto (9.5" x 12") are the most commonly published sizes. This differs from your standard Letter or A4 (European) sizes that we typically print off for school and business.

In addition to making sure the book looks good at publishable size, you need to alternate (odd vs even) the size of the inside margins to leave room for binding. Then you'll handle things like a Table of Content, Title Pages, Appendices, and the formatting overall (posts vs. comments and their children). All of this needs to be standardized.

It's possible to do almost everything you'd want to do in Word. If you wanted to get extremely professional, you would want someone with Adobe InDesign skills.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Are there programs that will automatically format the book in this way? With a community as large as ours im sure there are people here with experience on Adobe InDesighn

[–]bobbybluepill 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

I just looked over the PDF v.2... This will be relatively easy to format because there aren't any graphics, tables, charts, etc. You may have to change around some page breaks and your TOC will completely change as well.

I'd also suggest changing the font to something like Garamound--this will be easier to read on printed text.

[–]CharlieIndiaShitlord 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just an aside question for you, I used to do desktop publishing for magazines about a decade ago. InDesign was making serious inroads back then, but Quark was still the go to for many companies. Has that changed?

[–]bobbybluepill 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes. QuarkXPress used to be the gold standard, but that's since changed to InDesign (Quark is regarded as #2).

[–]IDefyAxioms 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

As someone not in publishing but has interest in helping,

When you say alternate the size of the margins, can you go into detail how you mean?

Is it something to the effect of creating a wider left margin on your first page (side of the page, rather), and then on the second creating a wider right margin?

[–]bobbybluepill 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Exactly. The left and right gutters need to be set so that the margins visually appear equal, but knowing that you need to leave extra paper for binding.

It's not difficult to do, even in Word. It's just something to keep in mind and something that doesn't exist within epub. This, just not just as simple as converting an epub file into something else. Many, seeming small, and annoying, elements will need to be changed correctly for a print version to look good.

[–]IDefyAxioms 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for the details. Though I probably shouldn't tonight, I'll grab InDesign and see what I can do.

Let's say we were to use Octavo (48 Laws is that size and roughly similar page length and it's a pleasant size) & probably Garamond (Serif fonts are easier on the eyes, I imagine?), what would be an appropriate margin? Or does InDesign set proper publishing margins when you select a sizing standard?

[–]Adonislikefeatures 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why do we need someone from eastern Europe or south america??

I'd put my name on this shit, what's the worse they're gonna do?

[–]Master1176 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

My book was published in a paperback form (and ebook, of course), and it came out great. My publisher even knows about TRP, I've talked to them about it when I was considering doing a male 50 shades. I would even do it myself under a pen name.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

My publisher even knows about TRP, I've talked to them about it when I was considering doing a male 50 shades.

I for one would be very interested to hear how exactly that conversation went down.

My imagination tells me it went something like this:

"I wanna do a male version of 50 shades, I know it'll sell bucketloads"

"Why?"

"I'm on this forum on Reddit called the red pill, where you lift weights, spin plates and copiously debunk feminism"

"Spin plates?"

"Yeah, you know, dread game the shit out of women and get tons of pussy whilst sussing the absolute fuck out of the feminine imperative."

"Dread game? Feminine Imperative?"

"You need to read the sidebar."

[–]RPSigmaStigma 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

"What does 'do you even lift, bro?' mean?"

[–]1Halfjor 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

For all TRP has done for me I'd be happy to donate for incorporation, initial publishing fees, or whatever it may be, if it is needed.

I can't think of many things I've felt the actual urge to give back to. For TRP though.. I'm down with taking it from metaphysical to physical.

[–]Kalepsis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am willing to associate myself with the book for publishing purposes, under a pseudonymn.

[–]whoops_fap 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

To limit this to hardcopy only doesn't make much sense (to me at least). TRP exists largely because of it's online presence. Additionally, a hard copy will not be able to hyperlink to relevant examples, studies, etc. cited within the handbook.

Fellow publisher here, can confirm this makes no sense, apart from protecting it from censorship - which is really only a problem on sites like this that are moderated.

[–]aaadiikaaa 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

A PDF is just some neck beard ranting online, a hard copy book gives the idea legitimacy in the eye of average Joe.

[–]Goodyjoel 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wish I could upvote this more. THIS HAS TO HAPPEN

[–]bobbybluepill 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right. The content will most likely not be censored by any of the online retail channels.

And from a monetary standpoint, you can price the ebooks identically to the printed books and just have all of the money sent to the same entity.

My suggestion is to either a) go all in and publish across all platforms or b) simply make a PDF to distribute and monetize via a hosted shopping cart or via donations through PayPal or something similar.

[–]CharlieIndiaShitlord 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just want to say, right the fuck on!

I will happily buy this, it's the most worthwhile cause I know, and it will directly benefit the future of so many.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

What do you think of the suggestion as outlined here /u/redpillschool ?

[–]Riddick_ 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Someone can wave the Red Pill handbook in front of Dr. Oz's stupid face or mention it on the main stream media. SJW's will try to censor the book, however that will only give it more publicity. There is potential to turn this into a massive unplugging with sweeping cultural implications. - Strategy: I LOVE IT!!!

Before launch. We also need digital editions in PDF, Mobi, EPUB and TXT versions. This should be seeded and released in Torrent format / downloads as well. Txt should include editions, versions # as well and reference to TRP landing base / new www site.

[–]ChadThundercockII 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

THIS. This one will be greater than the holy bible of the red pill : The Book of Pook.

[–]eet_a_choad 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

That was fucking beautiful and inspirational, no homo.

Also, all in favor of referring to "Chairman Pao" as "Kung Pao Chicken" henceforth, please say "Aye".

Aye!

[–]Riddick_ 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

+1 for "Chairman Pao" as "Kung Pao Chicken"

Aye!

[–]FaustoRMD 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with this. The psychological effect of having a physical copy is underrated. We need to exploit this field, not only doing a compilation of good posts but organizing it in a creative, rational manner.

[–]Riddick_ 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

I also want to point out:

To be realistic this process of publishing a book may take 1 year plus and we don't have that much time. By the time we get it through to actual sales, may as well be to late.

Open Donations: We need to start working on the alternative TRP platform today, and open donations to get hosting and hit the ground running.

[Edit] - There is no need to go though the "approved" channels of mainstream media (Kindle, iTunes, etc). Sell the book direct from website, and get enough support to get speed with TRP new landing base, new website and forum. Speed is the best strategy.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

We can have the book available for sale within a three to four month period if we focus all of our effort on editing the existing content in the second edition

[–]Master1176 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm a published author and would be happy to help, I am great at polishing and editing too.

[–]bobbybluepill 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

We could have it up for sale within a month.

[–]IDefyAxioms 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

editing the existing content

Do you have any ideas on how you would like to see that done?

The way I see it, there are a couple of options:

  1. A singular person is appointed to the task of editing for grammar & such. Slower, but if done by the right person can produce excellent results

  2. A team of people, selectively chosen (by RP knowledge & history, also those with experience in editing or write well).

  3. Open it up to anyone who wants to work on it.

Personally, I'm partial to #2. Probably the best balance of time and skill, given the amazing pool of talent that the sub offers. I can strip the handbook down to just the text and toss it up on Google Docs in 2 minutes. Also, Google Docs offers the ability to talk (well, write) and confer with one another while editing.

Personally, I'm not an author or someone with publishing history. Just a strong desire to make this happen, great grasp of language, and am adept at learning new tools (i.e. InDesign).

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its going to be number two. Unless RPS and the other big names step up soon im going to have to organize this extravaganza. As for people like you I will have to manually screen you Via skype.

The first step is making a reddit for this. Figuring out who is going to be involved. Then an organizational chart. Then make then wiki. Then collect money. Then print. Then ship. Then deal with tax and legal issues.

Not exactly in that order. Some processes will ovetlap

[–]ChangingSZNs 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have read the handbook in it's entirety and I can say I learned a lot of valuable lessons from it. Rereading is a must and taking time to look at specific chapters would also be beneficial. A physical copy would be great and very helpful. Also, reading off a phone screen cannot compare to the feeling of reading a book in hand.

Edit: grammar

[–]monteboss 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Reddit voting system is rigged, its not that good.

[–]mellowhype64 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Plus it's international.. And the people wasting time on Internet forums are never the pretty people.

[–]wiz1six1 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I love the handbook. I actually have the PDF saved on my iPhone for reading whenever I can, either waiting to be seated at a restaurant, or as a passenger on a drive somewhere. I love having it so readily available, like its a pocket bible

I was actually in the process of revamping it for my own personal use, making it more concise and highlighting facts I find important.

Anyways, let's remember, the guidelines provided by TRP are not to prevent the collapse of our society, but to help us survive it.

I would love for TRP to receive more publicity and acceptance, but I highly doubt that will be possible because of the rate of self-destruction our society is headed.

"We are not here to fix society, because our society eats self-sacrificing heroes for breakfast, then demands they buy it lunch. We are here to survive the collapse." -TRPH

[–]aaadiikaaa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The west isn't the only place with men you know, it might be too late for western society, but there are plenty of places feminism didn't corrupt to that degree yet, such a book could help a large number of men to escape their intended fate.

[–]CisWhiteMaelstrom 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

How are we gonna organize it? We can't just lead an actual book with the best content and slowly get worse and we can't lead with the worst. We also have to deal with the individual links in the post and even the comments. But you are right, the book needs to exist.

[–]Metalaggeddon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Speaking from experience, getting a good editor "find a struggling copy editor student or grad" and a good person for layout, make it print ready by margin, and use print on demand with proceeds going towards further editing and polishing editions.

Serious issue is getting the permission from the large pool of writers to release this content, in that case you can at least get the PDF binder print ready.

[–]klott 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't care how much it costs. Make it. I'll buy two.

[–]JohnBertilakShade 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Art is on me. If a few people want to take this seriously, I will happily provide the visuals.

[–]MattyAnon 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Are there any copyright issues with this? Copyright may belong with either the original author, or with reddit (depends on reddit's Ts&Cs).

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

We good.your content

17 You retain the rights to your copyrighted content or information that you submit to reddit ("user content") except as described below.

18 By submitting user content to reddit, you grant us a royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, unrestricted, worldwide license to reproduce, prepare derivative works, distribute copies, perform, or publicly display your user content in any medium and for any purpose, including commercial purposes, and to authorize others to do so.

[–]Trpbrother 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

This reads to me that either we need permission from the original authors, or from reddit.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit doesnt own the content I posted the TOS

[–]absolucion 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Would reworking some of the material in the TRP Handbook be part of that process? I've read it a couple of times and while it was a pleasant read, I found myself skipping some of the comments due to formatting.

[–]Riddick_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We can print quality hardcover copies for about $7 a piece on LightnngSource.com. The proceeds will be used to help Red Pill school acquire the necessary infrastructure for the new home of the Red Pill.

Brilliant Idea Brother - Here is the correct name and URL:

LightningSource, www.lightningsource.com

[–]trpdownunder 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the handbook needs a lot of formatting work. You want to integrate all the comments and the gist of the better hyperlinks into the thing without it looking like my HSC exam notes. This will take time and effort. However I think we have the resources on here to actually do that. I just want to make sure a section on black knighting is included. Let's turn it into an instrument of cultural change.

[–]potatoseven 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also include a physical Book of Pook as well?

[–]Thethrowawayoption 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm generally in favor of this, but seriously that handbook needs many many man hours of editing and rewriting before it's book quality material.

SJW morons aren't the only reason TRP doesn't have wider acceptance. A lot of our best material has piss poor phrasing as well.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There wasn't a motive for polish now there is

[–]skiier23 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

is there another site we can all go to if TRP subreddit is banned?

[–]iliketurtlesdurr -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

uhm... mens rights has about 100k subscribers, and trp has about 100k. feminism only has 50k subscribers.

i think we outnumber them by quite a bit, and it's obvious why. see this finally gaining traction http://www.buzzfeed.com/rossalynwarren/i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means#.csJvQpxkx

[–]renegade -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Doesn't all this fear that TRP will be censored strike anyone else as absurd and/or paranoid?

[–]pnw_diver -5ポイント-4ポイント  (4子コメント)

It would be pretty silly for Reddit to ban The Red Pill.

First off, the 116,000 subscribers to the reddit might not take that well, and Reddit doesn't want to de-motivate 116,000 members of the overall community.

Second, such a move would fairly well eliminate the idea that Reddit is a platform for any form of free expression. Some may disapprove of or even hate The Red Pill, but what goes on here is communication and shared ideas alone, sometimes quite sophisticated, along with empowerment for men. Banning such a thing would be on par with book burning. Now, personally, I think feminists are OK with book burning as long as they get to choose the books, but I don't think Reddit is interested in actually shrinking and attacking its status by the internet equivalent of book burning.

[–]CNileDotA 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

They already banned FPH, and that sub had over 150k. Not even FPH was as hated as TRP, so let's not delude ourselves into thinking TRP isn't gonna get banned.

It is.

[–]JohnBertilakShade 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did not realize they had banned fatpeoplehate. These fucking pussies.

[–]Syberr 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Explaining your downvotes: Are you living under a rock or what?

Reddit already banned fatpeoplehate with 150,000+ subscribers because they don't want the fatties to feel unwelcome, they don't give a shit to "platform of free expression", those are PR buzzwords.