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DISCUSSION[Discussion] When did censorship become the new first response for disagreement? (self.KotakuInAction)

ChuggoBuggo が 投稿

I know people have tried to silence their opposition throughout history, but I don't remember it being so widely used as a first response in my lifetime.

We've always had jerkoffs like the WBC that talk their shit. We deal with it. We protest. We fight back. WE DO NOT SILENCE. However, recently it seems that the first thing people do when they see something they don't agree with is try to make it go away.

Admittedly, I can almost understand why some would want to silence something like WBC, even if it goes against everything we believe in (regarding Free Speech in America). Still, it begs the question, when did we decide it was okay to this over something as petty as fat shaming? When did we decide we need to silence gamers? Is this the "slippery slope" everyone talks about?

I first noticed this with the "gamers are dead" nonsense. If you don't like a subculture. They just don't have to be your audience. Ignore them. Don't listen to them. Shut them out of the entire scene as pariahs. Ban them from conventions for daring to speak.

Same with the GGAutoblocker. We'll talk shit about YOU, but we absolutely will not listen to any defense you offer up. We refuse to allow you a space to respond to your critics. We'll use every tool at our disposal to block your voice and if that doesn't work, we'll just kick you right the fuck out.

Now Reddit? Instead of leaving it alone. Essentially letting people decide for themselves what they will or won't be offended by, their fix is to try to silence those they deem "problematic," despite the fact that this same basic attitude played a huge part in making Gamergate the force that it is today.

WHY do they keep doing the same thing over and over? Gamergate hasn't shown you already that we have staying power? That we can even fuck with media giants like Gawker if they continue to disrespect?

Are they morons? Like a bunch of special kids you gotta tell not to touch the stove 4 or 5 times before they figure out it burns?

Do they enjoy this?

Can they just not bear the thought of people doing something they consider naughty? The idea that some people enjoy doing things they don't approve of is just too much for them?

What's with these fuckers?

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[–]SSCat 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

They've won so many times in the past, the mere fact that people are fighting back is something they've never encountered before and have no idea how to handle it.

GamerGate is basically our version of Vietnam. The SJWs are the outsiders and we know all the tactics and can use them more effectively.

Napalming the area didn't work for Nixon, mass banning won't work for Comrade Pao.

[–]DeathBattleFan1238===D 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Bad comparison. The US could have "won" in Vietnam very easily if it didn't care about being evil. Fly in with a few B52s, drop a few dozen hydrogen bombs, exterminate the population of North Vietnam, and Bob's your uncle, the war is won. But the US has morals and ethics, so it doesn't toss nukes around... unlike the Reddit admins, who have no problem nuking entire communities from orbit.

[–]IcantstopreadingKIA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Viet Nam was a distraction. We should have been reaching out to North Korea. Now it is too late because North Korea is already the most powerful nation in the world and will soon rule the world with their based leader Chairman Pao.

[–]the_nybbler 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Gamergate isn't Vietnam. Gamergate is Midway. They'd been getting easy victories. No more.

[–]DeathBattleFan1238===D 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

MUCH better comparison.

[–]HammableOfCarthage 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is more like Francis Marion battling the British in the Carolinas. We're fewer in number and irregulars bound by a single purpose but fighting against a well organized SJW fleet like Marion faced in the British.

[–]darksage69 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because a lot of people don't have the self-control needed to not peek behind the curtain, even if they know they're going to be pissed off by it. They have to keep tabs on the people they don't like because they need to be reminded WHY they don't like them. Or they simply need the drama to keep their lives from being boring.

But to censor and remove it? Well, then it's not there anymore, you don't have to have self control, you're protected, safer. It's honestly a load of horseshit. They don't want the temptation, they want to be safe, they want to blame everyone but themselves.

For the record? I'm fat...it's ugly to say but it's true, and losing weight is HARD when you're on your own, but eh, it's a worthwhile endeavor, so I'm at the gym everyday trying to reverse that, I'm eating less, and trying to eat better (Damnable sweet tooth is hard to control though). I don't need to poke behind the curtain of FPH, and I honestly didn't, to my own sanity. You don't need to censor a whole subreddit on my account, I am doing just fine even with it's existance.

It sucks, there's a lot of problems, but the reality is, most people are boring, they need the drama in their lives to make themselves feel better. I've met lots of these people when I did chat role play groups, and they don't have the willpower to step back and breath, they make this stuff their whole world until they just can't take it anymore.

[–]WonkyVulture 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It happened when people to stupid to understand that supporting someone's rights to say something does not mean that you support what they say, usually the ones that see something they don't like but aren't capable of expressing a descenting view in a manner above that of a child .... I don't like it because!!!!!11!!1!!1 see ghaziland for a whole group of people this applies to. SRS and SRD are pretty similar ... They see something they don't like then retreat to their "safe place" to make snarky comments they couldn't back up in the original sub.

[–]TheSoaringShite 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

When did censorship become the new first response for disagreement?

1945

[–]HammableOfCarthage 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

It started back with the Sedition Act of 1918. Woodrow Wilson was the man behind this.

[–]Revan232 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

what?

[–]HammableOfCarthage 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The idea of censoring people who disagreed with his decision to go to war.

[–]Neo_TechniDon't demand what you refuse to give. 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

August 28, 2014.

[–]MaximoffZero [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's the end result of an extremely sheltered upbringing. It's a child coming out of the womb for the first time: everything terrifies them because none of it is familiar. The Fight or flight reflex kicks in. Some of them choose "fight", which in this case means "stamp out the unfamiliar by any means possible".

[–]BigTimStrange [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Extremist ideologies demand conformity.