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[–]daknapp0773Venom 2ポイント3ポイント  (35子コメント)

Yep. They copy the hell out of each other.

[–]samx3iBatman[S] 23ポイント24ポイント  (33子コメント)

You're not wrong, but more often-than-not, it's more fair to say Marvel rips off DC.

Deathstroke -> Deadpool

Green Arrow -> Hawkeye

Darkseid -> Thanos

The Penguin -> The Owl

Suicide Squad/Checkmate/Secret Six -> Thunderbolts

Deadshot -> Bullseye

Green Lantern Corps -> Nova Corp

Doom Patrol -> X-Men

Catwoman -> Black Cat

Superman -> Gladiator/Hyperion/The Sentry

Justice League -> Avengers

That being said, DC ripped off Wasp with Bumblebee and Namor with Aquaman. There's probably others, but Marvel is much more thieving of DC than the other way around.

[–]forkinanoutletFantomex 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

You could say that any fire-based hero is a rip-off of the original Human Torch.

Giantman/Ant-man's size-changing powers are also pretty clearly based off of The Atom.

Also, to be totally fair, Hyperion is part of Squadron Supreme/Sinister which is an intentional send-up of the Justice League in response to people accusing the Avengers of ripping off the Justice League.

[–]samx3iBatman[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hyperion is part of Squadron Supreme/Sinister which is an intentional send-up of the Justice League in response to people accusing the Avengers of ripping off the Justice League.

Which is hilarious on Marvel's part and a perfect response.

In return, DC Comics has "Earth 8" as part of its 52 world multiverse, which is a blatant Marvel parody.

[–]Franco_DeMayo 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Doom Patrol is X Men for people who hate X Men. I got lucky as a kid and pulled about 80 of them from the quarter bins during a BOGO sale. That was a fun weekend.

[–]samx3iBatman[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

They don't get the respect they deserve. I still wonder how The Incredibles got away with Elastigirl.

[–]Keabo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They could only call her that in the movie. For any merchandise, she's Mrs. Incredible.

[–]daknapp0773Venom 8ポイント9ポイント  (25子コメント)

  1. They both do it to an extent that makes calling one out over the other pointless.

  2. I am positive I could identify a counter example to each one listed, thus showing that it is much more even.

  3. I find the argument pointless, as I don't care who rips off of who. I only care about what these characters evolve into.

[–]samx3iBatman[S] 14ポイント15ポイント  (24子コメント)

  1. I've been following both brands for three decades and I can think of way more examples of Marvel ripping off DC than the other way around, as I've shown.

  2. Please do.

  3. Exactly right. For example, although Deadpool was a blatant rip-off of Deathstroke when Rob Liefeld introduced the character, Slade and Wade are nothing alike and the characters have much less in common now than they did then. Plus, things like The Avengers being a rip-off of the Justice League are fairly superficial. Whether DC thought to combine a bunch of their A-list heroes or not, someone would have thought to eventually.

[–]KaiosamaBlack Bolt 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

DC doesn't have to do as much ripping off since they have decades and decades of history buying out the competition and just flat-out absorbing creative content and characters into DCU... for better or worse.

[–]samx3iBatman[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

True, but if you go all the way back to DC's earliest stuff, they weren't ripping off Marvel of course, but Batman and Superman both take their inspirations and some vital characteristics from other works of fiction.

For example, the original Batman was a mix of Sherlock Holmes, Zorro, a Leonardo da Vinci sketch of a bat-winged flying machine, The Shadow, and even a pulp fiction serial called The Bat.

[–]KaiosamaBlack Bolt 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

And supposedly Superman had inspiration from John Carter of Mars (that aside from the obvious biblical inspirations).

[–]samx3iBatman[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Party, yes. Clark Kent is based on Harold Lloyd and his name comes from Clark Gable and Kent Taylor. Inspiration for Superman was drawn by stories of Samson and Hercules, Flash Gordon, Philip Wylie's novel "Gladiator," and Doc Savage. Metropolis is so-called because of the classic Fritz Lang science fiction film.

Funny you mention the "Biblical" aspects; Superman is an easy parallel to Moses as well.

[–]ActualButtColossus 3ポイント4ポイント  (12子コメント)

To your third point, yes, this is more often the case than not. Just putting all your most popular characters on a team is a no-brainer. Kind of like having a sexy cat-themed character. Anyway, the Justice League wasn't even an original idea. They were predated by the All Winners Squad (Marvel) who themselves were predated by the Justice Society (DC). The point is it's all circular and it is in fact pointless to debate it. Also, most of art is theft. Everything is derivative of something else.

[–]samx3iBatman[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (11子コメント)

Yes, everything is a remix, but I disagree that it's pointless to debate. Actually, it's downright interesting in many cases. If anyone really cares about a character, it's worth noting what inspired said character, rip-off or not.

[–]ActualButtColossus 2ポイント3ポイント  (10子コメント)

Let me rephrase then. It's pointless to imply that one company is better or more original than the other. Batman was a rip off of the Shadow/Zorro, and Superman was a shameless rip off of Philip Wylie's Gladiator novel.

[–]samx3iBatman[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

Yes, but that's not a comic book company ripping off their only true rival. Also, DC's Batman and Superman both had a number of inspirations, neither was a direct rip-off of anything else. That's patently different than two major companies existing as direct competition to one another and one far more often than the other ripping off its rival and doing so blatantly.

Bumblebee is really the only DC Comics character that I've noticed who was just outrageously obvious a rip-off of a Marvel one.

[–]ActualButtColossus -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

Well you're clearly not trying very hard to think of any more. So, at the risk of invalidating my statement that it's pointless to compare, here we go:

Killer Croc > The Lizard

Swamp Thing > Man Thing

Steel > Iron Man

Black Mask > Red Skull

Not to mention storyline rip offs:

Blackest Night > Marvel Zombies

Jason Todd as Red Hood > Bucky as Winter Soldier

[–]samx3iBatman[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

Some of these are pretty good, but some are way off.

Swamp Thing & Man Thing debuted within weeks of each other and there's no possible way one creator could have been aware of the other's creation. Call it a cosmic coincidence.

Black Mask is nothing like Red Skull. For one, he wears a mask as opposed to Red Skull being a deformed freak. The first word that comes to mind when I see "Red Skull" is "Nazi." The first word that comes to mind when I see Black Mask is "gangster." Red Skull is basically Hitler whereas Black Mask is basically Al Capone. Red Skull does things as lofty as attempting world domination and even cosmic conquest. Black Mask concerns himself with organized crime in Gotham City.

I get the Blackest Night/Marvel Zombies comparison, but they're really quite different. For one, MZ was an out-of-mainstream continuity story and everyone was zombies. Blackest Night was in-canon, did a lot to further expand the Green Lantern mythos, created a top villain out of a forgotten B-side villain, and the only "zombies" were already deceased DC Comics characters.

The Jason Todd/Red Hood & Buck/Winter Soldier thing is superb.

[–]manimatr0nJudge Dredd 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Doom Patrol is Fantastic Four, man.

[–]JreynoldWarren Ellis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe Doom Patrol/X-Men is more debatable because their timelines were close and it's possible it was just a coincidence. Also, for DC there things like New Teen Titans that were not to capitalize on Marvel/Xmen style melodrama

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