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[Discussion,Censorship] Most platforms, forums, websites are not legally obligated to guarantee free speech. But if you build up the majority of your userbase on the promise of a free & open place of discussion, & then break/alter your commitment to your userbase, there will be consequences. (self.KotakuInAction)

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[–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 26ポイント27ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well said. The "well free speech is only guaranteed by the government and reddit is a private website and blah blah blah" argument a lot of people are throwing around is bad and they should feel bad. No one is saying Reddit can't do whatever they want on their site and yes we all know the guarantee of free speech doesn't apply to websites you don't own. That all aside Reddit built it's reputation on being an open platform to discuss whatever you want. By breaking that trust with their users they are now witnessing a deserved backlash.

[–]KarKraKr 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No one is saying Reddit can't do whatever they want on their site

Countries can do whatever they want on their turf too. Strict rules exist to limit that somewhat because moving to another country is a slightly bigger inconvenience than moving to a different website (not to mention that this website among a lot of other things is subject to the rules of the hierarchically higher entity), but it’s pretty much the same thing in the end and with net censorship and other things there even are very real and recent examples of governments trying to erode said strict rules in their respective countries.

It’s a matter of ethics and not being a dick to others because a fringe minority can’t handle it when their feelings get hurt. There already are a lot of things you legally cannot say, things that are not covered by freedom of speech as guaranteed by your government, and people have put a lot of thought into those systems. If you deviate from them, you are not trying to be more inclusive, you want the opposite, you want to exclude people you don’t want to see and form your garden to your will. Which by all means you have the right to do, it’s your garden after all, but don’t claim otherwise, don’t claim the moral high ground. You are only catering to the minority you are a part of—and probably advertisers.

[–]bobcat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

For much of reddit's first few years, I was in the list of top 10 submitters. I submitted a lot of stories and got a lot of fabulous karma. I was trying to make this an interesting place for literate people to talk freely.

Look around, it's what we have had.

/u/ekjp - those of us who built the reddit community didn't put in all that effort so you could patrol our expression.

I suggest YouTube would be a better place for you to experiment with mind control. Perhaps you can get the commenters there to write intelligibly while you are at it.

[–]GamerGateFan[S] 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

Many people are quick to jump to it isn't illegal, the First Amendment/ Charter / government does not guarantee such things, and of course they don't, the key word everybody forgets to think of is while there are not legal ramifications, there are consequences for violating your principles and promises.

I believe it is analogous, though obviously not equivalent in any sense, to John Locke's social contract theory where certain natural rights are offered to the state in return for protection of people's other rights. We offer our time, our friends, our minds, and our clicks and subscriptions to a place and allow them to own it and use it for profit, in return for the promise that we would be allowed to express ourselves and that our content would be protected.

I believe this principle applies to any place even smaller niches such as subreddits whether it be a community of thousands or in some cases millions of users, even KiA, and also of course reddit itself.

[–]BlackBetty1970 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

More than that. We offer our content up for them to trade for advertising dollars. We post content that attracts users. Reddit then sells advertising slots next to our content so that those users (which we brought to the table) will see it.

So yeah, there WILL be consequences.

[–]MonsterBlash 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

If your premise is that it's user driven, then you piss off the users, then don't be surprised if they drive it into the ground.

[–]usul1628 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

We're a free speech platform, ban that encourages people from all backgrounds and viewpoints double ban to share and discuss content. We value openness, shadowban, diversity and difference. Our mission is to give you, the user, double secret shadowban a platform and tools to express yourself. triple dog dare shadowban

[–]LowbackReckoned for his wisdom and lore 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the "Only guaranteed/against (by) government" is bullshit anyway. The supreme court has already ruled multiple times where they have established that those rights even extend to public and private colleges.

You absolutely must have a culture of free speech, because public policy is eventually influenced by private policy.

If we don't combat this, we'll have a culture where criticizing feminism is a crime, where talking about nazi warcrimes is a crime, simply because nazi make people feel bad so the topic is forbidden. We'll have rules like those in other countries where "Speaking of a crime is endorsing a crime, and it is a crime to do so."

All these things look fine and dandy on the outside, but eventually they get used, abused and applied incorrectly. It leads to the creation of new minority groups and sponsors the abuse of them.

Imagine if we had that "Speaking of crime is a crime" rule, that some countries actually have, when people were trying to work for civil rights or gay rights? They'd automatically be in jail for promoting crime during that time period.

It's not a good system, those idiots don't even know what they're helping to create.

[–]Alopixgg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Opponents of free speech like to selectively interpret freedom of speech as the anglocentric legal precedent established in western constitutions.

What we call freedom of speech is not the protections set forth in constitutions, but is the origin of such.

Freedom of speech is not a legal concept, but a philosophical one.

It is an Enlightnment ideal that only tyrants fear dissent; and that we have individual, inalienable rights upon which society is foudned.

A platform has the power to control what it is used for, however just because something is allowed doesn't make it the right thing to do.

When you respond to ideas with censorship there is a clear and immediate consequence- a loss of credibility for you, your platform, and the cause you're representing; because only liars fear criticism.

[–]LandShark805 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stop all submissions. Let the Paoians fill all content for their website.

Stop all advertisements with Adblock.

Stop buying gold.

Let Reddit then profit.

[–]DarrellDeeznutz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Any websites like reddit (new or old) that still stand strong against censorship?

Reddit has gone to complete shit lately.This site used to be so promising and felt so free, but has now became what I hate most. A censored up, circle jerk, reposting, social media machine that bows to the demands of fat, tublr, SJWs. Several of sub reddits have gone private due to the moderators not agreeing with the admins that censored other subs. While I agree with the mods of those subs that censorship is not what this site needs, they too have ruined the experience. Either you allow all content (within legal means) or don't have any content at all. I no longer want to be a part of this site now that the CEO and Admins feel the need to water down reddit to make it seem more PC. FUCK YOU ADMINS! You ruined this site and now i am looking for an alternative that shares the same values that reddit used to.

Ellen Pao recently said "It's not our site's goal to be a completely free-speech platform." I hope she dies along with all the fat, tumblr, mouth breathers that she made feel "safer."