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[–]Flowah 1099ポイント1100ポイント x2 (452子コメント)

You know the admins said specifically that they didn't ban the sub for being offensive, but for harassing specific people right? So despite the cries of censorship and double standards, when you post all the terrible, offensive subs that were untouched, you're really destroying your own argument.

They aren't banning based on what's offensive. They aren't censoring shit. They banned a few subs which they said were harassing people. There are tons of other offensive subs they didn't touch because they haven't harassed anyone.

So I really have no idea what the fuck you people are complaining about. Feel free to keep talking about how much you hate blacks, women, gays. Talk about sexy abortions, raping women. Just don't harass actual specific people and you should be fine. Oh man. How restrictive. You guys were right. Ellen Pao has completely neutered this place.

[–]MsRageQuit 1314ポイント1315ポイント  (116子コメント)

People are complaining because subs like SRS and SRD which are notorious for brigading and harassment are left untouched. Likely nothing will ever happen to them.

[–]Tovora 146ポイント147ポイント  (48子コメント)

They'll get pretty bored when there's no one left to be offended by.

[–]Boonkadoompadoo 513ポイント514ポイント  (33子コメント)

Right, but SRS has (objectively) harassed and doxxed people before.

[–]Tovora 161ポイント162ポイント  (12子コメント)

Absolutely they have, I know that personally.

[–]metallicabmc 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

That sucks. I made a misogynistic joke once that got a lot of upvotes and SRS users were jumping down my throat for like a week messaging me and telling me that I was the worst piece of shit that ever lived. It was terrible.

[–]danielrhymer 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Out of curiosity, if you wouldn't mind sharing; what happened?

[–]Tovora 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

The user's account is gone now and mods deleted his posts anyway, however I was banned from SRS and one of the posters was following me from subreddit to subreddit, asking me for a photo and threatening me.

[–]m1a2c2kali 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Was that before or after the rule change?

[–]po_toter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Someone tried to dox my first account. They were WAY off though, which makes me think they could be doxxing the wrong people.
They also got really pissed off at me a while back when all I did was tell someone how to filter content with RES.

[–]kick_the_chort 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

have you reported this to site admins...?

[–]StefanosV 23ポイント24ポイント  (7子コメント)

I can confirm, I had a post of mine posted on SRS, I was messaged and harassed by a few people

http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/381yha/sweden_is_like_a_social_justice_parody_its_like/

[–]Mathuson 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How do you know they were srs and your post wasn't just controversial.

[–]Lolworth 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And they said that the rules weren't being retrospectively applied. Which is reasonable.

[–]ShrimpSandwich1 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sorry I'm not with the times I guess but what is doxxed mean?

[–]wordcross 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

To dox someone is to post identifying information in a public forum for the purposes of allowing multiple people to contact, harass, verbally assault, or otherwise fuck with a real person and/or their life. Some people will post addresses, phone numbers, account info, any private or personal information they can find up to and including social security numbers and medical records. People have been fired from their jobs, arrested for falsely-alleged illegal activity, hounded and harassed through every avenue of communication available, etc.

It's a horrible thing to do to someone, and reddit has explicit rules against it, and most subreddits will reiterate that rule, especially if they know that their sub might include people who would otherwise maybe condone it.

As to which subs were actually and actively doing any of this, it's a real mess to even try to wade through. You'll find a lot of anecdotal accusations around and very limited proof, which doesn't mean it's not happening, just that evidence is hard to come by for people who aren't mods/admins because so much content gets removed and users get banned from subs, etc.

[–]anonanon_sir 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Can you point me to the thread in SRS where that happened? How long did it stay up before it was moderated?

Or are you talking harassment by members/mods of SRS that happened outside of the subreddit itself?

[–]PaulTheHydrocarbon 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

SRS has been caught harassing people in real life. Most people here don't realize that this started way before FPH bring banned. SRS has been involved in a ridiculous amount of drama, more than enough to have any other sub banned. Check out /r/subredditcancer to learn more or here is an unbiased investigation done by /r/outoftheloop

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/2vg60v/srsantisrs_secret_cabals_and_meta_reddit_cancer/

[–]BaconJunkiesFTW 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Any proof of that? I'm not denying it, I've just seen people make this claim and haven't seen anyone link to a brigade.

[–]starhawks 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha that's hilarious, implying they could ever not be offended.

[–]EllenPaosHairyAss 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Haha they have the magical power to be offended by anything

[–]Tovora 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm offended by just how offended you are!

[–]JoyousCacophony 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

SRS will always find something to be offended by.

[–]Orchid-Chaos_is_me 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

No, they just find more things to get offended about.

[–]iamthegraham 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

it's not like manspreading is going away any time soon!

[–]joyhammerpants 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

God I hate that term. Do women not take into consideration men have 2 sweaty heaters between their legs?

[–]senorbolsa 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

They will make something up, they always do...

[–]suicideselfie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, they're constantly inventing new things to be offended by.

[–]ArchangelleLovesRape 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They'll get pretty bored when there's no one left to be offended by.

Have you seen microaggressions? It's SRS speak for "I hate people that aren't me." They will always be offended.

[–]Allahsus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seems that Reddit in the last 24 hours have learned just how fun it is to be offended.

[–]yawningangel 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

First they came for fatpeoplehate, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a subscriber.

Then they came for neofag, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a subscriber.

Then they came for kotakuinaction, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a subscriber.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[–]DoxxingShillDownvote 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bullshit SRD never harassed anyone. Why the duck do people keep talking about SRS and SRD in the same breath? They are nothing like one another. SRD simply posts the drama you little drama queens have that's it.

[–]wyattman854 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is the comment that deserves to be gilded. Seriously people, look into this shit sometime. It's ridiculous what these mods get away with.

[–]LiterallyKesha 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

And yet there is never any proof when someone asks. Why should Subredditdrama as a subreddit be banned? Where is the proof that they organize and encourage harassment like FPH did?

[–]wyattman854 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Right...there isn't any proof for a few reasons. Shadowbans are one. Mods/admins deleting posts is another. Oh, and the fact that the only place allowed to post this kind of controversial content, /r/conspiracy, is treated like they're a bunch of lunatics, when in fact they aren't. Are you serious? Look at any of the comment sections of posts made by a reddit staff member these days- FULL of comments exposing all the shit going on with this website as of late. It's really no secret anymore. Corruption has spread its wings to our once fine establishment. Proof is everywhere, don't deny it.

[–]YOLO_SWAG_4_JEBUS 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/Conspiracy is filled with lunatics and anti-Semites though.

Edit: That said, I do agree with you that the censorship here is out of control.

[–]notanothercirclejerk 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have they? I know they aren't the funnest of subs but I haven't heard of any posting of personal information.

[–]Raincoats_George 76ポイント77ポイント  (34子コメント)

This is because websites like reddit and 4chan have been overly influenced and in some cases overtaken by SJW influence. Thats the thing about it. Its such an easy card to play. You wont get much publicity defending fatpeoplehate. You can fart an SJW tune and a major news organization will pick it up. Of course in the interest of making money reddit could never shut down SRS. You want to see bad publicity, play that game. The cries of oppression and male dominated sexist thinking would cost the website dearly. Never underestimate bad publicity.

But in this case, as is always the case, the media could give a shit about censorship. Never has and never will. The press makes its living off of censorship and bias.

The bottom line of the new internet is simple. You are free to say what you want as long as it makes us money and doesnt anger the fragile little snow flakes. Oh, we still dont give a fuck about black people. Thats all fair game. But you even mention SRS again and we will find you.

The fucked up thing is we were busy getting 'triggered' by the government and its various censorship campaigns (which would have never succeeded anyways), we missed the fact that the very champions against it were crunching the numbers to ensure their own censorship would maximize profits.

Fuck reddit. My hope is that if this shit continues the website goes the way of digg. Their mistake is the assumption that this website will endure as it has been going. Push it too far and watch the population mass exodus. See as your precious money goes up in smoke and all of your backers leave you to sit and spin.

I love this website for one reason, the community. It has nothing to do with the mods or the admins. If they knew what they had and what they really should be doing, we wouldn't even know they exist. And yet they continue to insist on trying to change things, imposing half measures of censorship that are cherry picked while ignoring blatant offenders.

Trust me when I say, its all too easy for this site to be ruined by a few dumbass admins and leadership. They just dont see that. Perhaps they will in the future as they desperately try to post their resumes to theladders with no success.

[–]doughboy011 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude, fat people hate has literally celebrated after pestering a fat man on /r/SuicideWatch to stop posting (they thought he killed himself). That is as bad as it gets.

If you don't believe me look in my recent post history...

[–]Big_Baby_Jesus_ 14ポイント15ポイント  (14子コメント)

This is because websites like reddit and 4chan have been overly influenced and in some cases overtaken by SJW influence.

The fact that people believe this is astonishing.

[–]Raincoats_George 8ポイント9ポイント  (10子コメント)

The fact that you don't see it isn't astonishing. It's the norm.

[–]Big_Baby_Jesus_ 14ポイント15ポイント  (8子コメント)

Is that why posts criticizing "SJWs" are at the top of countless threads? With this rampant brigading, why is your post at +50?

[–]kadivs 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

why is /r/SRS not banned despite infringing on rules many many times, yet others get deleted the very first time? Why is the CEO of reddit 2014 forward an SJW? Why did reddit and 4chan mass-delete posts in the hundreds or thousands and ban people daring to speak about gamergate back then?
and so on

[–]OfficerTwix 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

SRS hasn't been relevant in a year. They barely have 200 active users. They were in their prime before Ellen Pao took over and now that they barely do shit there's no reason to ban them.

Ban /r/bestof they are the real brigaders

[–]kadivs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

because it's /r/ShitRedditSays , my bad. They have 68k users with a thousand online at this very moment. And that does not count the myriad sister- and affiliated forums like SRSgaming, SRSMythos, SubredditDrama, GamerGhazi and so on

[–]Raincoats_George 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't get caught up in the details and miss the big picture. As large as reddit is it isn't even a drop in the bucket in the larger scheme of things. No. I'm not pushing some zeitgeist sjw conspiracy agenda. But there's a disturbing trend of catering to those who have the power to spin a story. The professional victim.

The Internet is all about such people now. A strong victim can illicit such an emotional response it has the power to crush legendary athletes, destroy entire companies, and force even the most prominent politician or businessman out of power.

And that's not to say all victims are not justified in such pursuits. In many cases their situations are hardly even their own creation, they need not lift a finger and the heinous crimes committed against them trigger tsunamis of bad press. Companies cannot throw the top dogs off the rooftop fast enough.

Is it any wonder that there would be a rise in people actively pursuing a mastery of this. Whether they recognize they are even actively doing it or not, there is now a broadly categorized group of people that exist solely to be the victim, utilizing social media as their weapon of choice. It's easy enough to do. But it's devastating. Any proper ceo, especially of a company so tied to social media would take notice. Reddit will continue to appease anyone who can fit such a category because that's the safe play.

Keep in mind you or I, the average person who just goes about our business and doesn't get too worked up over small shit. The vast majority of the people here. There's no point in defending our desires because we don't do anything. We bitch on reddit. So what. No money lost. In fact money gained. That's not specific to reddit but a constant in the political spectrum and beyond. The moderate middle, while comprising the vast majority of people gets the least representation, the least protection, and the least air time. We are not interesting. We don't drive up income. We happily allow the fringes to force their bullshit agendas through any way they can.

And yet you still don't see it. They are literally banning subreddits almost arbitrarily. With thinly veiled justification that doesn't hold up even remotely. And suggests some exhausted intern did a quick weekend Google search to present the targets for Mondays reddit CEO meeting.

What you should be aware of is the fact that already there are 2 websites gaining traffic as alternatives to reddit. And it doesn't take much to see this entire community dissolve. In so far as the website disappears? No. But in so far as it becomes the next MySpace? No website is safe from that. Plenty of poor decisions with extremely popular websites have triggered such profound shifts in population.

Will it happen now? Nah. But they keep pushing things like this. And it's a guarantee.

[–]Cammadore64 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its crazy that you actually believe this. Reddit is like 95% oblivious white dudes. Your opinions about "SJWs" has never been unpopular. The main sub's are crawling with casual racism (go look at the michael brown post or the black names thread) and sexism (I've seen people defend a women getting knocked out for lightly slapping a dude wtf). And you're defending a hate group that regularly made the front page because of free speech. It was a toxic place and reddits better off without it.

[–]Seth_Gecko 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

thank God I'm not the only one who rolls his eyes any time someone uses "SJW influence" as an argument.

[–]jasontnyc 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's way overplayed - I didn't agree with a motorcycle sub and I was called an SJW. Had no idea what that even meant. Seems to be the default argument.

[–]Ralmaelvonkzar 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

have been overly influenced and in some cases overtaken by SJW influence.

Well 4chan is different. It's so hard to tell if any given person is serious or trolling. I wouldn't say that it's on the same level as reddit

[–]GuiltySparklez0343 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

4chan used to allow a lot more controversial stuff than reddit, but then the SJW's became more prevalent and now it's on a reddit level.

[–]OfficerTwix 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please leave. The site would be much better without you whiney men's right activist assholes complaining about everything and blaming "sjws" which dont even exist outside of tumblr

[–]Steezymann 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you like hating people so fucking much go to that voat website with the rest of the shit bags. Simple as that.

[–]emaw63 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I feel like SRS is the Boogeyman of reddit. That sub is dead right now. People just assume they're being brigaded by them whenever they say dumb or inflammatory shit and their dumb/inflammatory posts get downvoted

[–]unknownunknowns11 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

TIL SRS are the Jews of Reddit

[–]pastels_and_paper 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sorry but what is SRS or SRD?

[–]ltjboy03 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Will somebody... PLEASE tell me what the fuck SRS and SRD stands for?!!

[–]aminebz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what subreddits are SRS and SRD?

[–]notsoviet 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Notorious for harassment sure, but I'm wondering if it's justified. All analysis shows that, generally, SRS is guilty of the exact opposite. Well, your post is more likely go gain karma if it winds up on /r/SRS, is what I mean. Don't believe me? Have a blog post also, there's the whole srscharts and SRScreenshot they do.

But nooope, gotta keep the boogeyman tale alive.

[–]yojimboo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

.../r/bestof, /r/IAmA, /r/todayilearned, /r/cringe(pics). Oh wait those are the good ones. Let's not be prejudiced here

[–]Plowbeast 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, they didn't dox imgur employees.

[–]PartyPoison98 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're right with SRS, but brigading from SRD is more of an unintended consequence than their actual intention

[–]lazy_croop 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

People routinely get banned from SRD for "popcorn pissing".

[–]Mathuson 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Notorious? Maybe 2 years ago but not now. Why does reddit love to complain about srs brigading when it hasn't happened in any significant way for quite a while.

[–]Jay180 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

What is SRS & SRD? I first heard of them today.

[–]Fimpish 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shitredditsays and subredditdrama

[–]sovos_thoughtpan 228ポイント229ポイント  (95子コメント)

Go to the actual thread Reddit has up RIGHT NOW and see the lists and evidence people have posted. SRS is infamous for harassment. There's the Cafe incident that just happened on another sub and that put up people's private information. AgainstMensRights just did some shit too. You're absolutely wrong about this.

[–]chum_guzzler 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

What is the cafe incident

[–]sovos_thoughtpan 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

The AgainstMensRight group got together and released contact information so that they could get some CAFE group kicked out of a festival. Reddit has said not to contact groups like that but the AgainstMensRight did exactly that, flooding everything from the Pride Festival's facebook, twitter, phone lines, emails, etc.

EDIT: And in case anyone missed out on other big stuff that a lot of people knew, but the Reddit team somehow didn't, here's more people posting stuff. http://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/39bpam/removing_harassing_subreddits/cs28y24

[–]Kattpuzn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If I'd have to guess, it is not about coffee

[–]texx77 216ポイント217ポイント  (28子コメント)

You know the admins said specifically that they didn't ban the sub for being offensive, but for harassing specific people right?

So then why are all the FPH clones being banned almost instantaneously? They are brand new subs, being moderated by people completely unaffiliated with the "rule-breaking" original FPH, considering all of the original mods have been banned.

So me personally, I have never visited /r/fatpeoplehate. But if right now I go and create /r/fatpeoplehate20323, then it will be banned. I have done nothing wrong. I haven't targeted anyone, nor have I brigaded or harassed anyone. So why ban all the clones?

They specifically said they aren't banning ideas, but behavior. If that's the case, then the FPH clones shouldn't be getting banned as soon as they pop up, they haven't done anything yet.

[–]justcool3937 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly, it's probably the exact same thing they did with when GG blew up. They probably set the spamfilter to start catching and banning subreddits.

[–]PRbox 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

But couldn't the fine people at FPH just reform under a new sub? Like make new accounts, make a new sub and just continue what they were doing on another page? No way to know at this point if it's people unaffiliated with the original sub. I think in this case the admins are thinking a few bad trees rotted the orchard.

[–]PaulTheHydrocarbon 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

They tried at least 5 times but all subs were banned. In addition all the orginal mods and those who made the new subs have been shadowbanned. Here's an unbiased investigation done by the casual redditors over at /r/outoftheloop

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/2vg60v/srsantisrs_secret_cabals_and_meta_reddit_cancer/

[–]PRbox 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Interesting. Thanks for the source.

[–]Steezymann 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think its as simple as this 1. They know when they have a new sub to hate fat people on, the same people will end up doing the same shit. 2. Grow up.

[–]zim1985 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

It might just be a new "filter" they are imposing. They're probably not strictly matching "fatpeoplehate" but rather doing a "*fatpeoplehate*" search where the * are wildcards for any character combination. Then they probably have a task running every so often (say maybe every 5 minutes) to comb through all subreddits and ban those that match the query.

there's no one hand-picking which ones are getting banned, it's being done automatically.

[–]Five_Two_Zero 117ポイント118ポイント  (33子コメント)

Then why is SRS not gone? Harrassing people is high up on the list of things they do

[–]FindingFriday 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm out of the loop. What's SRS stand for?

[–]Five_Two_Zero 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

Shit Reddit Says. It's a subreddit that basically shits on anyone and anything not pro-SJW

[–]FindingFriday 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Thanks. Yeah pretty fucked up community over there. I sorted by top and the top posts are people saying fuck SRS. Also, what's sjw? I see it on here all the time but no clue what it means.

[–]shrodi 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Social Justice warriors. Mainly an internet tumblr thing started based on trying to erase sexism/racism. Of course it went too far, and there are many 'crazies' (like in all internet groups) who hate on men for spreading their legs on public transport, or lash out at white people for 'appropriating' other cultures(eg wearing an indian sari). Mostly young teens on tumblr.

However, it has become a strawman, and is often an insult used by redditors whenever someone calls out something as sexist or racist.

[–]Five_Two_Zero -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

SJWs are essentially a hate group that target white people and men. They operate by silencing dissenting opinion by any means neccessary, and operate under the guise of 'equality'.

[–]zugtug 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The one thread I visited said that the reason SRS wasn't nailed was because the doxxing and harassment they did occurred before they made the specific rules against it and they weren't gonna retroactively ban a sub-reddit for that(An admin said this, not a regular user). Kind of a weak excuse if you ask me.

[–]Five_Two_Zero 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Especially when an ex-admin and now-moderator was involved:

https://archive.is/wNgWm

[–]Murasasme 231ポイント232ポイント  (67子コメント)

Then why are they automatically banning all the new subs people are making to replace the banned ones? I doubt they have had enough time to harass people in order to be banned or am I wrong?

[–]lipstick_is_my_craic 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah, I got curious and checked out fatpeoplehate2 and there were already several posts doing the exact thing they were banned for in the first place. Some of the users there were even commenting things like "isn't this what got us banned?".

I don't really have a horse in this race, but it's not like you can escape the situation today.

[–]tritter211 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

ITs called ban evading and its also against reddit rules.

[–]Flowah 17ポイント18ポイント  (51子コメント)

Because they want the ban to actually mean something? Why do games IP ban hackers? Because they don't want you to just make a new character name and come right back.

[–]Tfish 128ポイント129ポイント  (34子コメント)

That would make sense if they were perpetually banning harassers who are caught making new accounts.

Banning new subs built around the same topic who haven't committed a crime yet would be like banning every single pornographic sub after 1 of them has been caught uploading stolen pictures.

[–]TheGozarian 14ポイント15ポイント  (11子コメント)

The reality is that the overwhelming majority of the 6th most active sub never engaged in any doxxing or harassment of anyone. The mods have claimed it is about banning behavior and not ideas. If that was actually the honest reason, a similar idea but a stricter self moderation policy would be welcomed and not instantly destroyed. When you couple that with the objective fact that SRS is also guilty of this behavior (some would argue worse or more egregious), it becomes apparent the ban has more to do with what boogie said. It is just money.

[–]iamthegraham 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

6th most active sub

wait, FPH? Really?

[–]TheOnlyOtherRedditor 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes it was low in sub counts because it was new but it was the 6th or 7th most active reddit.

[–]Hateblade 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

At this point, why not just specifically add "no fat people subs allowed" to the site terms and be done with it?

[–]firemastrr 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This, I think, is a bigger screwup on Reddit's part than the initial ban of harassing subs. I don't think they handled the situation that well to begin with, but to dispel any notion of censorship they should've mentioned and even condoned creating a new clone of FPH and the others. This would stress that the ban was not due to the ideas the sub holds, but because of the actions of the subs which were too far-reaching to be solved by banning individual members. And explain that, should the new subs develop habits similar to the old, that the new ones will be banned as well.

It's tough, but if Reddit truly only wants to stop harassment, then it needs to punish subs due to cases of harassment and nothing more. No auto-banning the clone reddits that arise. It requires much more work to investigate what constitutes harassment and the like, but that's the burden Reddit gave itself in doing this.

[–]BobTehCat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're very wrong. They instantly went over and invaded /r/pics

[–]donttrackmedown 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ban evasion.

[–]Cilph 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

People can commit Ban Evasion.

How does a SUBREDDIT commit Ban Evasion?

[–]Harperlarp -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Those new replacement subreddits are obviously created with the sole intention of replacing the old ones and continuing to harass people, that's why they're getting banned.

[–]Sootraggins 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The thought police are currently out in force.

[–]Netukka 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yet the subs that have doxxed people are just a-ok because thats not harassing right?

Dont get me wrong, cant say I'll miss not having FPH on reddit, but "harass" is a pretty broad stroke when it comes to justifying a ban.

[–]PM_ME_DOLLHOUSES 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not to mention that /cutefemalecorpses is definitely harassment. I've never perused, but I would guess that their faces are visible. I can't even imagine how traumatizing that would be to know your daughter or sister or mother's photo is on there.

It's incredibly hypocritical of the administration.

[–]DreamerGeek 79ポイント80ポイント  (3子コメント)

So I really have no idea what the fuck you people are complaining about.

Because that's absolute, provable bullshit. And they know it. They allow harassment all the time, but only when it's perpetrated by people that are well aligned with opinions they share. And instead of addressing out-of-bounds harassment where it exists, they nuked the entire sub and any splinter ones that immediately followed it. Those ones didn't even exist long enough to be guilty of those things.

In short, they lied. Poorly. They killed fph because it was popular and they really, really didn't like it.

[–]jonahandthewhales 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

and also most of the imgur staff along with the reddit staff are fat. fees got hurt and it's not great for advertising. 2 strikes :(

[–]hairyhank 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No fucking shit, its fucking pathetic what the children at reddit will do. I didn't frequent the sub but it's still bullshit when there are 100+ sub's worse than fph ever was. Reddit needs to grow the duck up

[–]woodukindly_bruh 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except /punchablefaces still exists...which is all about specific people you want to physically harm....That's called a double standard bro.

[–]thesadnman 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

Users should be banned for harassment not subreddits.

[–]PM_ME_YOURBROKENHART 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

If the ban is not for the idea than why are they banning the offspins. Those didn't even had the time t do anyithing, but they were instantly banned. So this not banning because of being offensive but for harrassing people is bullshit.

[–]tenparsecs 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

They said they wouldn't ban 'ideas', just harassing behaviours, but perhaps they believe certain ideas are inherently harassment and must be stamped out.

[–]PerniciousPeyton 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right dude, because other subs don't "harass" people. Just fph. In fact, when you think about it, corpses can't even claim harassment for having their pics posted on /r/CuteFemaleCorpses on account of them being, you know, corpses.

[–]GeoffreyArnold 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

How about they ban the specific people who were harassing specific individuals instead of banning the whole subreddit? Now isn't any subreddit vulnerable of being banned if any of it's members breaks a rule?

[–]BuggsieBlue 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except FPH would put the banhammer on anyone they even suspected of harassment or brigading.

The only reason FPH got banned is because so many lying fatasses got #triggered when they saw normal people think fat is disgusting.

[–]topdeck55 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So ban the users and not the sub? You can't ban an idea. It's like a "war on terror".

[–]22Robmeister 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Somebody actually guilding this? lmao. this site is past going down the shitter. It's already in the sewers.

[–]account1913 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

It really is. "Well the admins said they were banning it for completely legitimate reasons. Why don't we just take their word guys?"

[–]prollynotathrowaway 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know right. All these people trying to tell us we should just believe the admins reasoning are all people who want offensive subs banned.

[–]geekygirl23 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, is that why they banned the following 100 subs as well? They lie, you stupidly believe. It's the circle of idiots.

[–]Drauv 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

I'm conflicted on the issue. The aforementioned subreddits are clearly vile, and yet is it really free speech if you censor them? Harassing people infringes on individual rights, but can we really call ourselves anti-censorship if we censor things we don't like? /r/rapingwomen should be banned because it encourages harm to other people, but what about the others? I don't know.

[–]meatchariot 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The only real solution is what 8chan does. Each board decides their own rules, no illegal content, that's it. Anything else will end up in a mod and user war. The discontent users will leave and you'll end up with a mod controlled echo chamber like what digg is now

[–]YOLO_SWAG_4_JEBUS 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We're already moving towards a digg level tipping point. Some people will move back to the Chans, some will got Funnyjunk, and If Voat gets their servers under control they're going to take a solid chunk of the population from Reddit if Chairman Pao keeps pulling this type of shit. I mean, Voats been wrecked because of how many new people have been going to it for the past week and signing up.

[–]CrossArms 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I remember going on there to see if it was a real thing. Last time I checked, they weren't actually raping women, it was just an unbelievably offensive kind of humour which I didn't find particularly funny.

I might be wrong, that might have been a one-off incident, etc. etc. But that's just my experience.

Ninja edit: I'm still not defending it. It's still a terrible place.

[–]Drauv 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

If it is just humor then a ban probably isn't warranted, but the sticky on the subreddit's page is a "rape guide," which warrants at least a closer look into whether or not the subreddit should be banned.

[–]CrossArms 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll agree with you on that one.

Satire or not, it's just not good satire.

[–]PRbox 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This issue is very interesting and conflicting to me as well. It seems people these days are really passionate about free speech. But I wonder, let's say the admins had a secret agenda and were sensoring these subs. Is the idea of free speech that big of deal that it's so bad to censor straight up hate subs? I personally don't think censoring the vile (I don't think anyone can argue they're anything but vile) is going to lead to a Reddit that's curated and censored out the wazoo.

[–]Foxy_Cleopatraa 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

He even explained this in the video, it has nothing to do with free speech. Only the government owes you that right, no one else.

[–]Drauv 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Right, but at the same time Reddit is supposed to be a bastion of free speech. That's one of the things users value, which is why I'm conflicted.

[–]AddLuke 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean you really don't try to harass someone by telling them you fap to dead people

[–]PM-ME-YOUR-THOUGHTS- 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think he pointed to an exact example where someone was harassed IRL?

[–]Terran_Republic_Dude 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here is the thing though. How are we suppose to know if these subreddits are attacking people? And from the comments below, it seems there are several subreddits(all with different political stances and viewpoints mind you) that seem to be in the business of harassing that are still standing.

As boogie said. Bring the ironfist or do nothing.

Tell us what these subreddits were/are doing(We don't need juicy details).

I think you are using the term censorship like people use conspiracy only to mean "conspiritards". To conspire is to plan out something. If you plan out your breakfast the night before, it is technically conspiring. Reddit picking and choosing subreddits is bad censorship. Because they are picking and choosing.

Set guidelines for this removal. If Reddit admins have lost partial hope in the upvote/downvote system, mods, and report button. If they want to get into the curating business. They need to put full resources into it. Or else it is pretty much pointless.

If FPH got removed for being unsafe. Remove all subreddits that make this place unsafe.

If FPH got removed because members harassed and dox'd people. Remove all subreddits that do that.

Simple as and you will have less people complaining. Also people complaining and discussing with each other is best fucking thing that can happen.

Even if your comment gets downvoted into the thousands, you're opinion being able to get a say does more than any of these echo chambers subreddits will ever do. By the way most people are against these subreddits. It's how Reddit handled it, is the issue.

Which I don't see any problem with. People can complain. They are all individuals with point of views. There are a lot of good points and discussion coming from this under the skin of hate. It's good stuff that can be apply to real life. "I don't know why you are complaining" hinders discussion.

[–]SmilingButtHole -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

So why did they ban the other fat hate subreddits that had entirely different admins and where different subs based on the same idea?

[–]Sir_Joel43 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Isn't that what the mods are for? To MODERATE what's being posted? Why not make a new rule to prohibit harrassment?

[–]LifeThirdTier 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then why was /r/neoFAG banned? They didn't harass or doxx anyone.

[–]joyhammerpants 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

One thing about /r/fatpeoplehate, is that they were super quick to ban anyone who wasn't on the hate wagon, any post not deemed hateful enough to fat people would result in an instant ban, and it seems to me that people would message the mods if a post was noticed that didn't fit the conversation. There's probably a lot of subreddits that aught to be taken down, but in my experience, /r/fatpeoplehate had some of thinnest skinned little bitches of any subreddit I've ever posted to.

[–]Bior37 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They aren't banning based on what's offensive. They aren't censoring shit. They banned a few subs which they said were harassing people.

Except... that's not true, because they banned places that have harassed no one, and didn't ban places that are all about harassing.

[–]justguessmyusername 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So we basically just need a sub that bashes the concept of fat people rather than specific fat people in the same way that /r/CoonTown bashes the concept of black people and not specific people?

[–]fukin_globbernaught 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What happens when they harass politicians?

[–]fckredditt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

srs harasses the fuck out of people you idiot. they will go on all their alt accounts and msg you constantly.

[–]account1913 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know the admins said specifically that they didn't ban the sub for being offensive, but for harassing specific people right?

What they "said" and what the truth is are not the same at all.

[–]bmacisaac 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So then explain why these subs are also banned:

http://www.reddit.com/r/whalewatching/[1] http://www.reddit.com/r/BigHumanDislike/[2] http://www.reddit.com/r/DownWithFatties/[3] http://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplehate/[4] http://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplehate2/[5] http://www.reddit.com/r/Fatpeoplehate3/[6] http://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplehate4/[7] http://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplehate8/[8] http://www.reddit.com/r/FatPeopleHateHD/[9] http://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplelove/[10] http://www.reddit.com/r/ihatewhales/[11] http://www.reddit.com/r/IHeartFatPeople/[12] http://www.reddit.com/r/ObesePeopleDislike/[13] http://www.reddit.com/r/ObesityKills/[14] http://www.reddit.com/r/obesityrules/[15] http://www.reddit.com/r/punchablefaces/[16] http://www.reddit.com/r/unlucky_genetics/[17] http://www.reddit.com/r/whenhambeastsattack/

but remember, they're banning behavior, not ideas.

Thanks to /u/thegeeseisleese for the list.

Just don't harass actual specific people and you should be fine.

If that were true, nobody would be upset.

So did all of these subs have the exact same picture in their sidebars at the exact same time, were they ALL harassing specific individuals? Or are they actually banning ideas and curtailing freedom of speech. Ellen Pao already openly admits that Reddit is not a platform for free speech, so that's not my issue, but let's not get the motives confused here. They say one thing and do another. You've been lied to.

[–]FrankTheodore 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Feel free to keep talking about how much you hate blacks, women, gays.

But not fat people..

[–]Hateblade 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

People's feelings are more important than people dying and being physically hurt, I guess.

[–]chatrugby 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So does that mean we can't start a KateMonsterHate sub?

[–]LordBeverage 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know the admins said specifically that they didn't ban the sub for being offensive, but for harassing specific people right?

Yes, I think everyone knows this.

They banned a few subs which they said were harassing people.

/r/fatpeoplehate was no where NEAR the worst. That's the first complaint.

But they have a clever excuse for only capitalizing on /r/fatpeoplehate: "We won't retroactively enforce bans on backlogged offenders" i.e., /r/SRS, the objectively, statistically most toxic subreddit.

Just don't harass actual specific people and you should be fine.

... or create a sub related to /r/fatpeoplehate, then you're ban evading... by... duplicating an idea... Remember, they're not against ideas, they're banning specific behavior... I think. Unless your idea happens to be like the one on a sub that was banned for a specific behavior, in that case you're banned because having a sub exactly like /r/fatpeoplehate without the specific instances of harassment is still thoughtcrime. Also, fuck it, it was the ideas we were trying to ban in the first place, and hey, saying we're worried about "harassment" is a good way to fool dolts like you.

[–]hairyhank 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

WHATS the logic to banning something because a couple people didn't like it, you've destroyed your own argument. You just admitted it was banned because it was offensive to people and they didn't like it.

Go to sleep kid.

[–]Robby712 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm fairly convinced only about 10% of Redditors actually read the explanation as to why it was shut down.

This is how I imagine the other 90%

[–]Orc_Pawn00 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because it's the subreddit itself doing the harassment, not specific users...Fucking idiot.

[–]Lolworth 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seriously, this. People are wilfully ignoring the reasoning.

[–]jacls0608 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

SRS makes your idiotic argument completely invalid.

[–]Heckler456 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The guy you're replying to is a gamergate adherent 10 months after it became irrelevant. I wouldn't expect too much from him.

[–]PM-ME-UR-VAGINA 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

can you link the post about the bans? i seem to have missed it.

[–]liver_stream 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

you mentioned a specific person, you might get banned now!

[–]BallFlavin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But, they're banning subs that haven't done that?

[–]Boxing101_TR 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Go look up th definition of harassment. Clearly, you have no idea what it means. A sub isn't capable of harassing. It's simply a forum. You would have to go to that forum in order to read its content, and once you go to it, any harassment charges go out the window. We're talking about typed-out words, as opposed to verbal ones that can be screamed out. How the fuck you got plus 500 upvotes is a disgrace..

[–]chaosinalunchbox 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Granted, I don't understand why OP is talking about just offensive subs, as opposed to just harassing ones; however. r/SRS is god damn notorious for harrasment, among other bullshit subs like SRS.

[–]ass_for_days 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shots fired! We have shots fired!

[–]Hunterogz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is only a half-answer.

[–]WrenBoy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The point people are consistently making is that if its due to harassment then SRS should be banned. If its for offensive materiel then plenty of others would be banned.

So I guess its cause its because the admins just felt like banning it and figured people would buy any old excuse.

Also you don't know what censorship means.

[–]Actual_Dragon_IRL 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like boogie says, it was done half assed and only because certain people higher up didn't like what these particular subs were doing. An actual full pass might have made them look good, since it would be clear they weren't playing favorites.

But they are. Admins have already made mumbling excuses as to why shit like SRS and SRD have not been removed, basically saying 'uh well they haven't done anything bad recently, and its uh you know mostly brigading, and we're looking into better uh, solutions for that.' Yeah.

[–]german13 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then ban people. Not fucking subs. :P

[–]AjBlue7 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The thing that resonated with me is that they banned fat people hate, and then two new subs popped up for it. The banning really hasn't done anything.

[–]Delica 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What's it like being so right, and seeing so much more clearly than the idiots you try to enlighten?

[–]Levitz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Was harassing specific people so prevalent in those subreddits that it's a good idea to ban the entire subreddit? Why not go by the rules and just ban the users guilty of it?

On a sidenote, if harassing specific people was so prevalent, doesn't that pretty much guarantee that the harassing won't stop because of the subreddit ban? if 10+ people are harassing someone on a platform and the platform goes again they will just go somewhere else.

[–]AmberDuke05 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just don't understand why those people leave reddit if they feel "oppressed."

[–]Cilph 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Okay, sure, explain /r/NeoFAG, /r/NeogafInAction, and why SRS STILL EXISTS?

[–]OH_NO_MR_BILL 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If they are banning for harassing people the question still remains, why are SRS and the like still up?

[–]Ninjabackwards 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If reddit is going to ban subs and delete user submitted links they really should stop calling themselves "The front page of the internet"

[–]DarthWarder 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So wait, if i were to harrass you here, find out your real address or something because i think that you're a prick this sub will get banned, instead of just me? What kind of fucked up logic is that?

[–]Phaz0r 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You must be some sort of donkey if you think /r/shitredditsays isn't harassing people.

[–]transientliving 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know the admins said specifically that they didn't ban the sub for being offensive, but for harassing specific people right?

You actually believe this? Naive.

[–]bobsp 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know he named two of the most harassing subs out there, right?

[–]DrBabyManPhD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did... did you even read the comment you replied to?

[–]fyreNL 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So you're implying SRS has never harassed anyone?

[–]DeadSeaGulls 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

SRS has done plenty of doxing and repeated harassment to specific individuals. But they are wearing the skins of social justice warriors and continue on unchecked because of this

[–]binaryblitz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think people that flipping shit and leaving reddit are awesome! I mean they were part of a sub called "hate", my life is honestly better without them in it. Good job reddit reddit admins.

[–]Madam-Temacia 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

EXCUSE ME

FPH DIDN'T DIRECTLY HARASS ANYYYYONE

They censored names and never directly linked to people

That is not harassment

[–]Rakzul 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They aren't banning based on what's offensive. They aren't censoring shit. They banned a few subs which they said were harassing people.

That's like saying homicide is wrong, but genocide is okay since it is directed at all people of a specific group.

[–]IluvPantySoup 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did you even read the comment you replied to? The op clearly lays out a specific example where a sub mod targeted a specific Redditor and went as far as to try and get this individual fired from their job yet this mod remains in power.

Your comment is utterly useless and, furthermore, it continues to the idea that people don't care to look at all the facts unless they are specifically targeted.

It's comments like yours that cause this sort of uprising. I think you should be banned because you have now offended me. Because of you, Reddit isn't a comfortable place for me.

[–]leveldrummer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who exactly did Neofag harass?

[–]totorox 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Believing fatmin PR at face value

Are you for real? They said so therefore it's real?

Look at their actions instead. They banned the fatpeople hate spinoff subreddits for "ban evasion". This proves the ban wasnt against harassment, but against ideas.

[–]dcha 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You just said the same thing 3 times.

[–]_pulsar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a flat out lie that reddit is telling to minimize the uproar.

There have been many claims of "brigading" from fph but not a shred of evidence has been presented.

Meanwhile, SRS can brigade with impunity because the admins support their views. If it were strictly about harassment then SRS should've been gone long ago.

But good job acting smug while being completely wrong.