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    Tim Hunt shows why old men should be banned from science

    72-year-old Nobel prize winner Tim Hunt has caused controversy by saying laboratories should be segregated along gender lines. However, there is evidence to suggest that science should be more exclusive. It should exclude old men
    Charles Robert Darwin, the scientist behind the theory of evolution
    Since when have old men ever done anything for science? Never, that’s when! Photograph: CORBIS
    Tim Hunt, 72-year-old Nobel laureate, is currently at the centre of a big controversy for his remarks about women in science. He argued that gender-segregated labs were the answer, because “they cause men to fall in love with them and cry when criticised”. In his defence, Tim Hunt is the product of gender-segregated education himself, and it clearly hasn’t left him with a warped perspective on the opposite sex.
    This is another high-profile example of disparaging comments about women from people supposedly smart enough to know better. As well as being generally offensive, Hunt’s comments also don’t stand up to logical scrutiny. Humans lack the power to consciously make someone fall in love with them, hence Tinder exists. Also, if large numbers of people always “cry when criticised”, then you’re doing criticism wrong. If someone always blisters when you burn them, that’s not a sign of incompetence on their part. And even if this were the case, that female scientists always cry when criticised, tears are basically saline anyway, and laboratories get through gallons of saline so this could save a fortune! At a time when science funding is constantly under threat, as well.
    But Hunt does have a good point in spite of himself; science would be better off all round if certain people were kept out of labs. And those people are old men. Here’s why.

    Old men are too belligerent

    Science is, above all, a communal effort. Now more than ever, scientific progress is achieved through collaboration on an international scale. But collaboration is much harder to achieve and maintain when you’ve got someone involved who can’t stop spouting offensive views or being antagonistic (consciously or otherwise) to the people whose help and support is integral.
    Tim Hunt is just the most recent example. Look up any controversy or offensive opinion these days, and 95% of the time it comes from an old man. These people simply cannot be relied upon to engender the spirit of teamwork and mutual respect that is essential for conducting long-term complex research projects for the betterment of humanity. They clearly don’t even like humanity that much.
    Science would be much better off if old men were left out of it and restricted to places where their outdated and offensive views were less disruptive, like running political parties, or entire countries.

    Old men don’t get on with each other

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    As well as putting off other people with their unsettling views, old men don’t even cooperate well with each other. Ask any scientist how many departmental meetings or conferences they’ve been to which were dominated by two or more professors engaged in heated arguments over who is right about a certain niche subject or theory. It’s probably several, and it’s almost always aged male professors who are doing it.
    Science thrives on questioning and criticism, but there are limits. Constantly rehashing old theories or arguments instead of building on them doesn’t really help anyone, but time and again it’s the old men who dig their heels in and pursue their own agendas, constantly butting heads with others like them who think differently and seriously hampering progress in the process.

    Old men don’t handle criticism well

    Tim Hunt criticised female scientists because they “always cry” when criticised. While this would be somewhat disruptive if true (which it isn’t), this is still a far less problematic response than holding an intense lifelong grudge against someone who criticised you, and doing your best to make their life difficult and miserable. Anyone who’s dares to criticise a prominent old male scientist should brace themselves for this sort of treatment.
    Old men have been known to maintain vendettas that last decades. How is this conducive to scientific progress? Holding grudges is bad for you. If old men can’t just let go of slights or negative feedback, they shouldn’t be involved in something as regulated and disciplined as science. They’re clearly just too emotional.

    Old men are bad at science

    If you look at the data, it is difficult to argue that old men are just bad at science. Even if they’re high-achievers, they still often come out with unscientific guff, and a look at any list of scientific scandals shows it’s mostly older men who are behind them.
    Also, the numbers don’t lie. There is a growing concern that most of the research findings published today are false, and most professors and research leaders are old men. So if we have mostly poor science and mostly old male science leads, this must mean that old men are poor at science. Logic, that is. They should be removed from the environment so other more-competent people can take over.
    And yes, it is true that Tim Hunt has since said his comments were “meant to be humorous”. As an added bonus, why not check the comments below for people furiously arguing that this a complete vindication of Hunt’s comments while simultaneously taking this ridiculous joke article 100% seriously. People are fun like that.
    Dean Burnett is ahead of the curve and started being rubbish at science while still a relatively young man. He regularly demonstrates his incompetence on Twitter, @garwboy

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      To save time I'll post my reply to the majority of posts here:
      You didn't read the penultimate sentence, did you?
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      So generalising about women,bad, but generalising about men, good.
      Oh the irony!
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      However, you don't have to install a separate loo for old men to cry in, so Tim Hunt totally wins this one.
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      And yes, it is true that Tim Hunt has since said his comments were “meant to be humorous”. As an added bonus, why not check the comments below for people furiously arguing that this a complete vindication of Hunt’s comments while simultaneously taking this ridiculous joke article 100% seriously. People are fun like that.
      Is ageism funny? God knows the elderly have to put up with enough as it is. It is worth pointing out the irony of illustrating this insult to intelligence with a picture of Charles Darwin who didn't publish On the Origin of Species until he was 50 and by no means the end of his productive career. Don Suddaby was retired when he cracked Lorenzo's Oil. According to a study by Bruce Weinberg of Ohio State University, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences in 2011 comparing Nobel Prizes, these days scientists tend to make their big discoveries in their 40s and later. If only you were half as useful.
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      Er not sure if the writer of this article is being ironic with a hint of sarcasm or is just a bit of a tool
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      Old men make sweeping generalisations. Old men look silly.
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      Well as an old guy myself, I'm in complete agreement with the author. The last thing I want to do is hang around with a bunch of old men. Or even men in general. Hanging out with women is much more enjoyable and even more so with young women. One just has to learn to keep his mouth shut, speak when spoken to, and be in agreement even if you're not. It's not that hard really and it's much more rewarding. Try it, it will improve your life.
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      This post is a mix of wrong and right on so many levels that I am not even sure why The Guardian published Mr. Burnett's missive.
      Seventy two isn't old. Old is over one hundred at this point in time. However, that milepost won't be standing as old in one hundred years. But seeing Mr. Burnett's photo on his twitter page makes me think he is biased toward those over say 60, just as Professor Hunt is biased toward the female gender. Age is just another biostatistic just like gender. We are all in control of our personal behavior until we are struck by dementia.
      A further note on Mr. Burnett's ageism. Perhaps this means that Mr. Burnett does not have a PhD, or if he does, he doesn't have is own lab and longs for the retirement of one of the old guys in his department so he can move up.
      People of all ages, genders and ethnicities hold grudges. Holding a grudge is probably taught in all human groups but it may be cultural. I think in Italy it might even be an Olympic sport. Just ask all those members of the mafia and the grudge they hold for what happened to "Guiseppe the Fish" and "Paulo the Squirrel."
      And for all those non-scientists out there who think that scientific data is untrue, or forged, or falsified; a few of words of advice: stop watching Fox News. They are part of the "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy" to separate the rational from the political. (See Science, 29MAY2015 pp 964 to 966)
      After you understand what is going on there, then look further into what has happened to any scientist who has forged data. It is pretty much career ending. If you are caught with data that is unreproducible, then you better open up your notebooks and show your colleagues what you did. You will have little time to clear your name.
      Michael J LaCour was headed to Princeton as a faculty but I seriously doubt that after he admitted to faking his data. He might start looking to manage the McDonald's closest to his apartment. http://news.sciencemag.org/policy/2015/05/science-retracts-gay-marriage-paper-without-lead-author-s-consent
      Another scientist is Asia killed herself after her deception was revealed. Science is not kind to liars and science won't be kind Hunt and his silly comments may hurt him professionally.
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      Why would any person (not just men) want to work in an environment where the sexually influenced characteristics of their thoughts and basic behavior are deemed abhorrent or even criminal?
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      Everyone should take a thought test before employment. Thinking the wrong thought should not only fail the interview you should be put in re-education camps until they have the right thoughts.
      The Guardian's view of future employment law.
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      A grotesquely silly article. One old, male scientist says something silly, so every old, male scientist then gets it in the neck. Anyone for a game of stereotyping? Yeah, I know, it's supposed to be satire but it comes across as gratuitously offensive needling and axe-grinding. You are ugly and have a fat bum - but I'm only joking. Let me poke you in the eye - it's only a bit of fun.
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      This is, apparently, a Poe.
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      "...that this a complete vindication of Hunt’s comments..."
      Nice grammar checking.
      "...this ridiculous joke..."
      Kind of harsh to refer to your own work as a ridiculous joke.
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      Right. And jocks should be banned from sports.
      This article shows why old men in science shouldn't be allowed to speak where muggles can hear them. Good businesses, like the military and spy agencies know better than to expose the real world to idealists who can affect there funding.
      His view may be unfortunate, but it is shared by most productive scientists and engineers (even the female ones). People in these lines of work separate the reality of cold facts and observation from hopes of what they would like to be true. You just don't see it much if you're not near them.
      Queue the crowd of people who don't really know these people and/or are going to pretend to be one of them...
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      Two wrongs don't make a right.
      Also linking to blogs and gawker sites for evidence. C'mon, you should be above that.
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      Does he mention anything about journalists being qualified to release information pertaining to science and being responsible for any misuse of that information?
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        No kidding! I'm a retired photojournalist, and most reporters I worked with were both math and science imbeciles. Both male and female reporters... Nothing like reporters who can't even compute simple interest reporting (and editorializing) on budget deficits and long-range debt growth... I blame deficient understanding of the negative consequences of too much spending and taxing by the public on an ignorant media.
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      here's the deal. a lifetime of advancing humanity while most are just putting in time is enough "service" given. he's paid his dues. obviously, his thoughts are way better than ours. you can't ban people from that which they create. i think it was Stravinsky who asked a critic how he could criticize his latest piece. it had just been created. women try to attract men just as men try to attract women. there is always crying. and rejection. and, it disturbs the work. witness the latest dinosaur announcement with marriage proposal. the old will always know more than the young. instead of pushing politically correct sophistry, try listening. the seventy two year old guy was just telling you what he has actually seen.
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      Thank you for the entertaining article, Dean Burnett.
      In one respect I think Tim Hunt is right; segregated education is superior to integration distractions. The rest of his opinion is hogwash. If dating a fellow scientist and crying after she breaks up with him is a problem, someone needs to speak to a shrink.
      Science is a great field for well-rounded adults of either gender in my humble experience of testing out of twelve persons (eleven being men, myself the only female) for analytical thinking. The problem seems to be the mind set of the person.
      If old men become belligerent just call it like it is: Immature jealousy of the other person coupled with low self esteem that they are no longer in the limelight.
      All this competition, I think, needs to be replaced with acceptance that one person (or company) will never know everything. Each needs fellow scientists to grow in knowledge, but also to keep one another in check when it comes to honesty and integrity for the good of all.
      Scienctist: Be honest, build integrity, and put those belligerent old farts in their place when needed. Above all - the former.
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        People who have segregated education grow up to be people who want segregated workplaces because they can't handle the "distraction" of the opposite sex. If you can't handle being around 50% of the world's population because you find it "distracting" then you should not be in any position of responsibility or authority and you should be in intensive counseling for being disfunctional as a human being.
        Admittedly, this is usually a male problem and so I am not entirely opposed to all-female schools in order to give the girls a break from our odious leering and belitlement all the time.
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      Let the record show old men are idiots. No need to censor the raw data. It is what it is.
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      Seinfeld was right. Comedy is dying. Please stay in the lab and out of the comedy club, please.
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      What's next, banning white men from science?
      Better yet, let's ban the Idiot Wings of both, the left and right-wing from media jobs.
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      If I ever fancy a change of career, I think I'll become a professional wind-up merchant. It's just so easy to provoke a reaction.
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      Oh a joke?...yes....
      Ok, hilarious
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