Removing harassing subreddits

edit 2: I only posted this because at the time (about ten minutes after original post) they didn't have the link to the list on the post. Feel free to ignore as this is no longer relevant.

edit 3: I should point out that the 150k+ number is a claim from another user. I took his word, but I didn't ever visit the sub myself and therefore have no reliable way of telling you the real number they had.

edit 4: added fatpersonhate

edit 5: removed fatpersonhate. It was already banned.

edit 6: I'm no longer going to edit this comment with updates on the subsequent subreddit bans. Anyone who wants to raise awareness on more bans should feel free to comment on their own. Have a great day everyone!

SilvanestitheErudite · 11時間前

Is there going to be transparency as to how subreddits are determined to be harrasing?

PM_ME_YOUR_MICROWAVE · 5時間前

As a Jets fan, I want /r/Patriots banned for harassing and assaulting my team 2 times a season for the last 10+ fucking years.

GoonerPete · 9時間前

I think Notch hit it right on the head https://twitter.com/notch/status/608706518972788736

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luciferoverlondon · 9時間前

Ellen Pao needs to go have a little chat with Kevin Rose, and see how well doing shit like this worked out for Digg.

pickle-in-a-cup · 7時間前

"to protect privacy and free expression"

ayyy lmao

SemiNation · 11時間前

Please keep the feedback coming

Why should we, you clearly have your own agenda and don't care about all the feedback you're being given so far.

sumoisnotfat18 · 4時間前

/r/skinnypeoplehate isn't banned. Talk about double standards.

Jesus_Faction · 11時間前

THIS SLOPE IS GETTING SLIPPERY BOYS

serialstitcher · 11時間前

There is a zero percent chance you will ban /r/ShitRedditSays and they are infamous for vote brigading, nasty PMs and various other forms of harassment, up to and including getting people fired from their jobs for perceived transgressions against various minorities.

Fuck this policy. I was not a huge fan of fatpeoplehate, but I had never heard a single thing about them extending their reach outside of their own subreddit to harass people

What does "safe space" even mean? Please define that term so the community can have a real discussion about it instead of using it as a bullshit vague coverall for anything that hurts peoples feelings.

Does it mean that if somebody accidentally clicks on a "mean" subreddit their fee fees are so triggered that they must remain on the page and suffer?

TheSilence13 · 10時間前

7k+ comments with a 0 score. THAT SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING

xXNuclearTacoXx · 9時間前

Turn on your adblock and stop buying gold.

Edit: I have never recieved gold.. never wanted gold. Really?

ExplodingJesus · 11時間前

This is a hole with no bottom. Admins will now be fielding non-stop requests from person "x" because sub "y" offended them somehow and they will try to spin it as harassment.

Example: every person ITT asking what about this or that sub.

Rickykrudd · 6時間前

/r/BeatingTrannies, /r/RapingWomen, /r/PhilosophyOfRape, /r/StruggleFucking, /r/AbusePorn2, /r/AntiPOZi, /r/SlutJustice, /r/CoonTown, /r/CuteFemaleCorpses, /r/SexWithDogs, /r/SexWithHorses, /r/CandidFashionPolice, /r/GreatApes, /r/NecroPorn, /r/DeepThroatTears, /r/Painal,

All of these subreddits exist at this very moment, and you ban fph "for our safety". Hilarious

LuminiferousPen · 11時間前

All hail glorious leader Ellen Pao!

TinyEarl · 11時間前

> we're banning behavior

> shitredditsays not banned

hmmmmmmmmm

edit: this comment tracking FPH-related bans was just removed by the mods, and the user that posted it has been soft-banned from this sub (all their comments in this sub get spam filtered, but they don't get a ban notification).

newtothelyte · 9時間前

Silly admins. Don't you understand your userbase?

You really think you're going to stop those people from having their sub? Now you've turned them against you and you've pissed them off. Now they will stop at nothing to have their message heard. There are now over 10 subs dedicated to fat people hate

ttifiblog · 11時間前

It was just a matter of time, wasn't it? I can't say I liked any of the 5 banned subs, but seems like freedom of expression shouldn't be banned.

What's next? /r/news gets banned for pointing out how the CEO is blackmailing her old company to pay for her husband's ponzi scheme debts?

edit: Please don't buy gold. In fact, no one should buy gold until Pao is gone.

https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-reddit-inc

DrZack · 10時間前

"Front page of the internet" campaigning against internet censorship while simultaneously banning subreddits that offend you. SHAME ON YOU. If you find a subreddit offensive, don't go on it. I didn't like the subreddit, but that's no reason to ban it.

Thought about buying gold/turning off adblock to support reddit but no more. I vote with my $$ and reddit does not get my vote. Honestly, fuck you mods

EDIT: And don't buy me fucking gold and make sure to turn on adblock. I can only hope that the number of people turning on adblock because of this post loses reddit more money than the gold I got today. Good riddance

caribou16 · 10時間前

Just canceled my reoccurring gold membership.

AustNerevar · 9時間前

/r/neofag was a non-brigading, non-harassment sub that focused on the anti-GamerGate site Neogaf. It had absolutely no reason to be banned, yet garbage like shitredditsays and subredditdrama remain.

I'm getting so sick of this biased, safe-space bullshit. I have no sympathy for the users of /r/fatpeoplehate, but I don't believe in censorship. You guys aren't even trying to hide it now...if you go to the FPH subreddit, it says it's been removed to "keep people safe". I can assure you that no subreddit has ever made me feel unsafe, even when I've people pestering me inbox messages I didn't want.

What happened to the Reddit that supported the blacklisting of SOPA? I guess you guys sold out.

www.voat.co

1sttimepleasebgentle · 11時間前

This is the beginning of the end of Reddit, ladies and gentlemen.

RTE2FM · 11時間前

www.voat.co

flossdaily · 9時間前

This was an incredibly bad business decision for the following reason:

When you were not banning any subreddits, you could make the legal claim that you were an open, public forum, and that you were not liable for the user generated content on the site.

Now, you've taken the step of actively censoring content. Therefore it can argued that ANY significant subreddit that you haven't banned is operating with your knowledge, approval, and cooperation.

So you shut down a subreddit that hates on fat people, but you left up the overtly racist subreddits that made national headlines several months ago?

Mashable, Gawker, Salon, Dailykos, The Independent, etc... are all major publications that over a span of months have called out reddit for allowing racist subreddits to thrive. Their arguments were all moot until today.

This policy would have been a huge legal misstep even if handled appropriately. But this sloppy execution makes the responsible administrators look embarrassingly ignorant or incompetent at best, and overtly racist at worst.

Rebootkid · 10時間前

As much as I dislike the content in FPH, I dislike censorship MUCH more.

FPH was supposedly banned for violating the reddit rule of "Keeping everyone safe." That rule says, "You agree to not intentionally jeopardize the health and safety of others or yourself."

You're going to need to explain exactly how they were violating that rule, because I saw none of it happening.

The people who were discussed are jeopardizing their own health and safety.

This is censorship plain and simple.

artscii · 9時間前

Soooo... /r/Fitness will probably be next?

lamabaronvonawesome · 5時間前

/r/cats has to go, I am from /r/dogs, also anything with peanut-butter in it. It kills kids.

Emazinng · 11時間前

Yishan Wong, the site's former CEO, has stated that "We stand for free speech. This means we are not going to ban distasteful subreddits. We will not ban legal content even if we find it odious or if we personally condemn it."

So much for that

digitalpizza · 11時間前

How us /r/fatpeoplehate any different from /r/cringe or /r/CringeAnarchy/? They ridicule people just as much. Should ban those too if you're gonna ban fatpeoplehate

BlueLinchpin · 11時間前

You guys are a joke.

ultraRightWing · 11時間前

Guess it is time for everyone to move to voat.co.

frankenmine · 11時間前

/r/ShitRedditSays has brigaded and harassed subreddits for as long as it's existed.

Its slogan is Bring Reddit Down, for fuck's sake.

Why haven't you banned it yet?

henkile · 6時間前

What happend to this?

"Reddit's general manager Erik Martin noted that 'having to stomach occasional troll reddits like /r/picsofdeadkids or morally questionable reddits like /r/jailbait are part of the price of free speech on a site like this,' and that it is not Reddit's place to censor its users"

jwshyy · 11時間前

By the same vein, /r/ShitRedditSays should be banned too

nixonrichard · 11時間前

Does Mitt Romney count as an individual? Because if you're going to go down this dark path, you have a LOT of subreddits to ban.

Mitt Romney got harassed worse than anyone I've ever seen on Reddit, far worse than any fat person being harassed by /r/fatpeoplehate (which they didn't actually do).

What you're doing is setting a precedent which cannot possibly be enforced except by the caprice of Admins . . . and I think that's EXACTLY what you want.

If the subreddit was "/r/WBC_Hate" there's no way you would have banned it. You're making a choice that you care more about fat people as a group than members of the WBC (or any other group that is widely hated) and by Administrators making a personal choice as to what is supported and what is not, you're doing far more risk to Reddit than you could possibly remove by banning /r/fatpeoplehate.

I hope you realize what you're doing. I don't think you do.

njbrooks · 11時間前

This is a horrible and not very well though out idea, here's why.

Use /r/fatpeoplehate as example. Room full of people, door is locked, door says "Room to discuss distaste for obese people". Obviously nobody who is obese would enter that room, right? Everyone in this room loves to rail and make fun of fat people. This is good, because everyone who is fat on the outside of the room can't hear or see what they're doing. You guys over at reddit HQ say "hm, maybe we shouldn't keep all those people in the same room, talking about negative things". You say "ok!" and unlock the door and tell everyone "sorry you can't hang out in this room anymore, but you can go to any of the other rooms"

People from /r/fatpeoplehate room proceed to harass and project distaste for obese people in other rooms and in an uncontrolled manner since there is no place to talk about this without repercussion. In the end nobody is happy.

My point is, people have opinions that will offend others, but we can control the chaos by letting these people discuss those offensive opinions in a controlled environment.

Edit: Okay, the door isn't "locked". I get the hatred spread even with the subreddit open. But I do not think removing the subreddit will solve anything. This goes for all the banned subreddits, not just FPH

Thx for gold

muhtriggurs · 11時間前

Go fuck yourself Pao.

I've never seen a sub with a mod team more deeply dedicated to containing content to within the sub, preventing brigading and removing identifying information.

SRS pays it lip service, served up with a side dish of tee hee we put that rule on the sidebar so we're covered.

Ban SRS and coontown or your action today is seen as exactly what it is: fuck all to do with harassment and pandering to a specific group.

I ain't holdin' my breath.

Edit: please don't gild me again. These fuckers at Reddit don't deserve one more fucking red cent. Take that cash and give it to a homeless person, a charity, or someone in need, k? :)

really_cool_name · 11時間前

Today we are removing five subreddits that break our reddit rules based on their harassment of individuals.

Doesn't that mean you have to ban r/shitredditsays ?

closetshitlordette · 9時間前

I was a subscriber to FPH. Say what you want about me, but here's the deal:

Unlike SRS's wink-nudge, totally insincere "no-brigade" policy, FPH's was legit. It's rules included a prohibition on linking to other parts of reddit (and such posts were automatically removed); including any personal information including person, username, or subreddit names in posts; and banning known brigaders. It regularly removed posts that broke any of these rules, and the mods routinely put up reminders not to brigade. It kept to itself.
This decision is not only arbitrary but unfounded. FPH blatantly did not do the things it is being accused of (harassment) while subs that actively and openly do those things remain. This leaves me and--looking through the comments--much of the rest of the community feeling as if you've just slapped us in the face with capricious censorship with blatantly insincere justifications, when the real agenda was political in nature.
And speaking of the real agenda, since it was political, what about all the other distasteful subs that not only harass but represent far more odious subject matter than FPH? Good job, mods: you've opened that door.

Conclusion: this is bullshit and you know it.

Anjz · 10時間前

Yishan Wong, the site's former CEO, has stated that "We stand for free speech. This means we are not going to ban distasteful subreddits. We will not ban legal content even if we find it odious or if we personally condemn it."

What the fuck? This goes against what Reddit is about.

If you start banning subreddits that you 'hate', then it will start being corporate and eventually corporations will say that they are being harassed and will be able to take down subreddits and ban users.

What's next, are we gonna get banned for saying Ellen Pao is a bad CEO for going against her words? We may as well take a one way ticket to North Korea.

This is the worst move Reddit has done, I'm terribly disappointed.

As much as I resent people for having so much hate, this is a major impediment of free speech.

Cashews4U · 9時間前

Literally one of the first rules of fatpeoplehate is "no linking to other subreddits." That sub keeps to its own and discourages and actively prevents brigading and any hint of attacking those from outside that sub. What stays in FPH stays in FPH. Total bullshit. But by all means lets keep the subs that are sexist, racist, downright disgusting and disturbing, ignorant, and so on. Nice job shitting the bed, admins.

Edit: if a child does something wrong, do you punish the child or the parents? Its not FPH's fault that some of its people went rogue and decided to do things outside the guidelines.

dfsac85 · 11時間前

I am glad you guys didn't delete /r/fuckolly . Because seriously, fuck that kid.

thezoomaster · 10時間前

For a website that's boasts about internet freedom and privacy so often, I'm fucking disgusted at this thinly veiled, blatant censorship. What the fuck? What happened to freedom of speech? You don't have to agree with /r/fatpeoplehate, but no one was shoving it down your throats. I'm fucking disappointed in you, admins.

CrackheadControl · 11時間前

Why is /r/fatpeoplehate banned, but /r/coontown get to exist? That's bullshit.

voltism · 11時間前

Ban /r/announcements plz, you hurt my precious feelings

ninjapro · 11時間前

Woah. /r/fatpeoplehate (FPH) was actually banned. This seems like a crazy knee-jerk reaction.

While FPH may have been relatively circlejerky and superficially vicious, it was a subreddit where people would go expressly to vent. Very rarely would personal information be included or anyone targeted and when that does happen, generally the mods were fantastic at shooing off the post. (as a side note: the mods on FPH were some of the most active and fair mods that I had seen in a subreddit that large). FPH certainly seems far too vicious at first glance, but their bark is far, far worse than their bite.

Larger subreddits, I'll use /r/atheism as an example, have had far more targeted threads and nobody really bats an eye at that. At first glance, the top thread in /r/atheism is about a couple, who are named and pictured in the linked article, threatening to divorce if gay marriage is passed.

This is a direct, identifying piece of information. Yet, nobody's calling witchhunting, though when someone inevidently does, it's generally defended because "/r/athesim is a place where atheists can vent about the religious they run into every day."

FPH, which rarely ever posted personal information, should not be considered more harassing than specific subs which are borderline controversial. /r/funny isn't accused of harassing when there's a joke about Kayne West or Kim Kardashian; /r/pcmasterrace isn't considered harassment towards console gamers; and /r/ShitRedditSays literally targets users' comments in an attempt to brigade them. So why is FPH so specifically vilified?

TLDR: /r/fatpeoplehate is not the the only or worst harassers on the internet or even Reddit. This targeting does not seem justified.

rhycochet · 5時間前

oh cool, you just banned /r/fatpersonhate too!
i thought you were all up on that horse claiming to ban for "behavior" and NOT "ideas."
/r/fatpersonhate is SO NEW that there's no way for any "behavior" to even qualify as bannable offense. you banned it because it carries the same IDEA as /r/fatpeoplehate. please take the lies and shove it up a fold. or two.

Stalked_Like_Corn · 11時間前

As a fat person who absolutely detests /r/fatpeoplehate to the core. This is bullshit. I've rarely seen them mentioned out in the wild so to speak and they kept it in their subreddit. The way I avoided being targeted by their subreddit was I stayed the fuck out if which is the whole point of the unsubscribe button. To NOT see things I don't want to see.

This is nothing more than just systematic reduction on edgy subreddits yet again. What i'm shocked about is that it wasn't because of bad media attention like jailbait, creepshots, and thefappening. I hate that subreddit but I stayed the fuck out of it. THat's the POINT of Reddit.

What's funny more is that creepshots is STILL back and NOTHING has been done to them to take it down because, you don't fucking care. Plain and simple, you don't fucking care. I was upset when you took down jailbait and creepshots though I didn't go into them. The fappening I never went into but I didn't like that being taken down either. Now this? Keep on Reddit admins. Keep on keeping on because You can ask Digg and Co. what happens when you push a userbase too far.

Meanwhile /r/shitredditsays keeps chugging along despite openly FLOUNTING* the rules of vote briggading. They bite their thumbs at you sir. Yet you continue to let it go on. Why?

Edit* Fixed typo. Thanks /u/rocketman0739!

Katynrosja · 11時間前

Why isn't /r/ShitRedditSays banned?

evancam · 9時間前

/u/ekjp - if the Reddit community raises the money you need to pay your husbands' legal settlements resulting from his fraudulent financial activities, will you resign and leave us alone?

Edit: I did actually go to college and take at least one English/writing class. Edit 2: I'm leaving it, messing up 'took' in this context makes me laugh.

1010101010101010101 · 6時間前

Slowly but surely reddit is turning into a SJW haven with the increasing censorship.

but right now, we know we need to do better and to do more.

Firing Ellen Pao would be a great start.

pm_me_things_you_lov · 11時間前

List of subreddits on the chopping block:

What about /r/coontown though? It's just straight up racism on /new all day long.

AssuredlyAThrowAway · 9時間前

Lol.

You had to sticky this thread because it got downvoted below the threshold. No one will ever see this announcement on the default front page or /r/all.

Yo /u/kn0thing, do you really know nothing about how this site works?

beetnemesis · 11時間前

This seems kind of silly. By all means, ban any users who are harassing, shut down any specific posts that are encouraging doxxing, brigading, or whatever. But if they want to bitch about overweight people in their walled off area, who cares?

nsto · 11時間前

Did /r/fatpeoplehate actually harass people outside of the subreddit?

Wafflenotblue · 11時間前

might as well ban /r/pcmasterrace because they harass console ~~users~~ peasants

Table_Corner · 4時間前

So it appears that the reddit admins have now shadow banned all of the former FPH mods as well.

/u/The_Wizard_Of_Wang

/u/12_Years_A_Toucan

/u/SportyStrawberry

These are just some of the former mods that I could find.

austin101123 · 11時間前

Was fatpeoplehate invading other places, or was it contained?

It seems as though /r/greatapes still exists.

What made fatpeoplehate considered harassing vs. greatapes? What is the qualification for being considered harassing? I hope for more transparency on this.

deadfallpro · 6時間前

This is all about some two-faced bullshit. They elect Chairman Pao and the whole site goes to crap. What a joke.

icantbelieveiclicked · 10時間前

im fat... and the only thing i can think of is fuck you.. shit people are entitled to their opinion and if you dont like fatpeoplehate then dont fucking go there..

fat people hate i totally give you credit for getting me back to the gym after 4 years and about 20 uneaten cookies

elerium2 · 6時間前

So why isn't /r/ShitRedditSays/ banned? They are the most vile cesspool of hatred on reddit.

Robert_T_Pooner · 11時間前

This is really a troubling step IMO. The fact that only one of the banned subreddits was named, and the statement referring to adding people to "manage community issues", I am getting the signal that reddit is going to become much more restrictive in the future. I agree that direct targeting of individuals is not something that reddit should facilitate, but I get the impression that the reddit admins are going to become more and more "hands on" in terms of censorship. I'm afraid that the open internet I grew up with is not going to survive the coming decade. Perhaps I'm just being overly sensitive. I hope so.

webgovernor · 9時間前

Today we are removing five subreddits that break our reddit rules based on their harassment of individuals.

Translation: We are removing subreddits that harm advertising interests. This is why these subs seem arbitrarily chosen.

KingOCarrotFlowers · 10時間前

If you're so concerned with preventing harassment that you're banning subreddits, you're either going to need to be seriously transparent with the rules ("these activities are okay" vs "these activities are not") or you're going to have to recognize that this is just going to end up as a popularity contest.

We've established that /r/fatpeoplehate is wrong--what if I made a subreddit that filled the exact same function, but against white people? Thin people? The LGBT community? Straight people?

What about /r/tumblrinaction, which is essentially hater hate?

Or /r/facepalm, which is "people on my facebook feed who are acting stupid" hate?

You have indicated that you're not okay with harassing subreddits, but you have failed to provide even the most vague definition of a harassing subreddit.

Osairis · 6時間前

Congrats Overlord Pao, your actions just advertised a subreddit to your entire user base that they may not have been aware of AND you've hydra'd the hell out of it... what did you think would happen? FPH could have stayed its own little corner of Reddit... now r/ALL is effectively FPH...

I, for one, welcome our Fat People Hating overlords...

Cricket620 · 9時間前

ITT: Ellen Pao tries to justify selective banishment of subreddits without releasing criteria on why subreddits are being banned. It does not go well.

misinformed66 · 7時間前

How is SRS, a subreddit found to be the most toxic subreddit by an outside source still here?

SRS routinely brigades people, and harasses users and yet here it is. Still around.

JFernan4 · 6時間前

Why isn't r/coontown banned?

1sttimepleasebgentle · 11時間前

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Kolisk · 11時間前

This isn't an attempt to stop harrasment, this is Reddit admins paving the way for censoring anything they deem worthy.

This is bullshit, the point of having an avenue for conversation is that you can see the view of all sides of an argument. But now one side of the argument is subject to being completely silenced.

RedSocks157 · 11時間前

Here's some feedback for you: I'm going to voat. You can take your SJW, safe-space nonsense and shove it. /u/ekjp has been changing this site for the worse since she got here, and the repeated bannings and deletions of anything talking about her bs attempts at extortion of her former employer only prove that she shouldn't be in charge of anything.

I'll probably be banned or shadowbanned for this. I don't care. I bet the reddit admin who does it will feel real good about themselves, using a tool originally meant to stop spam in order to remove anything they don't like or deem sufficiently "safe".

FPH might not have been nice, and you know what I wouldn't be that upset if these rules were being applied equally. The continued existence of SRS is a pretty clear indicator of that.

waterboysh · 11時間前

If a subreddit has been banned for harassment, you will see that in the ban notice.

When I go to /r/fatpeoplehate I do not see this. All I see is:

this subreddit has been banned

most likely this was done automatically by our spam filtering program. the program is still learning, and may even have some bugs, so if you feel the ban was a mistake, please submit a link to our request a subreddit listing and be sure to include the exact name of the subreddit.

EDIT: It's already been changed. It now says.

this subreddit has been banned

This subreddit has been banned for violating the reddit rules to keep everyone safe

Which reads like the general news we see all the time where everyone responds "Because terrorists"

DisgustingFatPeople · 11時間前

you know what is fucking pathetic about this.

if you had a smokerhate subreddit, no one would care. It's ok to hate smokers.

But are there smoker acceptance people trying to say "health at every cigarette"? NO!

There is no difference between obesity and smoking. Both are horrible for you. Yet only one is ok to "shame"?

Pathetic.

Gloman42 · 11時間前

but subreddits with pictures of cute dead girls is ok...

TheBaltimoron · 10時間前

Give my regards to Digg, Ellen.

CaptainReginald · 11時間前

TIL vicious racism is fine, but hurting fat people's fee fees is banable.

Classy, Reddit.

CrackheadControl · 11時間前

The following Subreddits are ok, but /r/fatpeoplehate crosses the line?

/r/watchpeopledie /r/SexWithDogs /r/sexwithhorses /r/CandidFashionPolice /r/GreatApes /r/killallfuckinjews /r/necroporn /r/RapingWomen /r/wincest /r/CuteFemaleCorpses /r/SexyAbortions /r/beatingwomen2 /r/Upskirt
/r/downblouse

Those are ok to you Jessica (/u/5days), Ellen (/u/ekjp), Alexis (/u/kn0thing), but /r/fatpeoplehate is wrong? That's not right.

2muffins · 10時間前

The cancer is terminal. I give the site 1 year to live.

PIXEL_MACHT_FREI · 9時間前

Turning back on AdBlock on reddit and never ever giving gold again.

turroflux · 11時間前

So /r/BeatingCripples - /r/sexyabortions - /r/StruggleFucking continue to exist but a sub that mocks fat people is crossing the line?

Right.

Edit: Yes yes, /r/StruggleFucking is just rape fantasy, try /r/RapingWomen if you want real disgust. Jesus.

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