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[–]Jesusthrowaway123 341ポイント342ポイント  (234子コメント)

Reddit hates free speech and will go through great lengths to censor anything not politically correct. Is this what the internet will become? Will other forums for discussion follow Reddit?

Why isn't the community in an uproar? They are taking away your freedom of speech and making excuses why it's okay. Are you willing to throw away your personal freedoms in exchange for a few bigots expressing their beliefs privately?

[–]ThroughThePlanets 15ポイント16ポイント  (9子コメント)

For fucks sake...

Not taking sides here because I really don't care, but reddit is not infringing on any of your rights.

Free speech means the government can't lock you up for saying things. It doesn't mean anybody else has to listen to you, or that voicing your opinions won't have consequences.

Private entities such as reddit don't have to give you a soapbox to spew hate if they don't want to. All free speech means is that you can go create you own website hosted on your own servers and the government can't stop you saying what you want on it, so long as it isn't breaking any laws.

Reddit is a company, looking to make money. Are you really surprised that they saw certain hate filled subs getting popular enough to make advertisers uneasy, so they axed them?

TLDR: you have no rights here. Make your own website it you don't like it, otherwise you play by reddit rules.

[–]Jesusthrowaway123 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (8子コメント)

lol how many times I have repeated this argument over and over... Read my past comments

[–]ThroughThePlanets 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

No thanks! You'll still be wrong in all of those.

[–]Jesusthrowaway123 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

how so

[–]ThroughThePlanets 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because of exactly what I said in my first comment. If you think what I've said is wrong you're welcome to say why.

[–]batterypacks -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

The fact that they lack a legal right to free speech does not mean that there are no negative consequences to a private body banning some forms of speech. I'm in favor of the ban but you're really not engaging with their argument.

[–]ThroughThePlanets 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

They are not saying "reddit is censoring some peoples opinions", their argument is "reddit is denying my right to free speech!". They say this because it sounds better and makes their argument sound legitimate, rather than what it is... them being an entitled arsehole of a customer, demanding a business do what they want it to.

My point is, it is not possible for reddit to infringe your right to free speech. That right only, and I stress only, applies to the government not being able to lock you up for saying things. Americans screaming about their free speech like it should let them say anything they want in any place is idiotic.

This is exactly the same as if I owned a club and held an open mic night. A guy gets on stage and starts spewing hate. Not a comedy routine or whatever... just stands up there saying how the nazis had the right idea, but only if they made sure to include all fat people as well.

When I, as the owner of that club proceed to turn off his microphone and tell him that if he wants to talk about that shit, he isn't going to be doing so in my club. Why have I done this? Many reasons. Because my other customers don't like it and if they leave I lose money. Because I personally think what he was saying is vile and I am under no obligation to let it happen in my club. Completely legitimate reasons that nobody would bat an eye at in the 'real world'.

In that situation nobody would call me a bad guy. But suddenly it's the internet and people expect companies to indulge their bullshit? Like it or not, reddit is the club and you are the customer. When you post, you're the guy on the mic. When you comment, you're the crowd. All of those people have to abide by the rules as set by the business that hosts your platform.

If you don't like it then leave. Just like you would with any other business. You being here makes them money, so deny them that if you feel this strongly about it. There are other places on the internet where you can say those things, go there.

Of course I'm not saying don't complain. Let reddit hear your complaints, by all means. Tell them you won't stand for a website that doesn't allow hate speech, or whatever else you like. But don't whine that your rights are being infringed. They are not.

TLDR: People screaming about their 'rights' to free speech here are exactly the same as someone screaming about their right to free speech in a walmart for not letting them shout abuse at fat people on scooters.

[–]batterypacks 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Bud, I'm not the person you need to convince. I know all this stuff.

You are misrepresenting the views of that person whose past comments you refused to read through (which would be legitimate IMO but not for the reason you stated).

They don't think they have a legal right to freedom of speech on reddit. They argue that they ought to be given such freedoms, while acknowledging they are not guaranteed by law.

I think they argue their point rather poorly, don't read it to get your mind changed--but this does not change that you are being a lazy debater and that you just gave a constitutional law 101 to the wrong person.

[–]magus424 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Then maybe he should learn how to post a bit more clearly?

Because the top-level comment here screams "I have a first amendment right and you're infringing!"

[–]Dudyman 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

The community isn't in an uproar because we aren't a community on this one. For the past 3 months, Reddit has for the most part been split down the middle on the whole FPH sub as it has become more popular. I'd say at least 50% of people view this as a rational and good idea. Also, Internet =/= Reddit, that's a bit neurotic.

[–]Sheslion 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

As long as revenue streams are threatened by unpopular opinion... Yep.

[–]Nillabeans 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Reddit users seem to forget that the internet can't exist in a vacuum and that things like employees and servers and offices cost money and that most people, especially in 'Murica, don't give anything away for free. So, you're going to have to pay for it somehow and if hating on fat people interferes with that, prepare to be cut out of the profit scheme.

I have no idea where this idea came from that everybody has the right to do business with anybody else either. Reddit isn't some god-given right. Reddit doesn't have to exist. They could close their doors forever and delete everything and nobody could say boo because it's a free website that doesn't belong to any of us. It's a goddamned collection of links meant to drive traffic towards ads. Why in the hell should they give a shit if they piss off 2% of their fanbase if they know it'll make them more mainstream and gain them another 30% on the fallout?

But it's Reddit where we are collectively a semi-retarded neck-beard confused as to why we're stuck in that nigger bitch's friendzone all the time.

[–]Prester_John_ 41ポイント42ポイント  (6子コメント)

Why isn't the community in an uproar?

This post is 30 minutes old calm the fuck down. By the way clearly there are many people here, including myself, who thinks this is a fucking retarded idea.

[–]sagelikeadvice 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

Really though i just found out during my workout by my brother texting me about this. I can't believe they would do that, and leave up all of the other much worse subs like r/coontown.

[–]shaggy1265 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

and leave up all of the other much worse subs like r/coontown[1] .

You guys need to relax and realize that they aren't going to get all of them in one go. There are thousands of subreddits and something like this isn't something you can really automate. I'll bet coontown's days are numbered.

[–]lllKaladinlll -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Taking away freedom of speech? Really? So you can no longer make your own website and say whatever the hell you want to? This isn't your website, this is Reddit's website. They can do whatever the hell they like and you can simply choose not to come here anymore.

Nobody's freedom of speech is being threatened. If you walked into a gay bar would you get mad about all the gays or would you just leave?

[–]MadeAnAccountFor6 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Digg was owned privately as well. I hope I don't have to tell you why Reddit doesn't want to be compared to Digg.

[–]Agmisabeast 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are right about the fact that reddit isn't out website and the admins can do whatever the fuck they want, however, reddit was kind of founded in the idea to be able to share your thoughts and ideas, no matter what they are.

[–]oldscotch 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This post is 30 minutes old calm the fuck down

Yeah, calm down while we get angry in good time.

[–]MoocowR 11ポイント12ポイント  (13子コメント)

Reddit hates free speech

Er if you paid attention the subs were banned on behalf of their brigading, not on their content. Hence why tons of offensive/racist subs are still up. There's a difference between discussing your opinion and brigading/harassing people.

It doesn't help when they start to personally attack imgur staff, a website which hosts the majority of reddit's content. You guy's can sit here and cry about free speech all you want but there is a line that was crossed.

[–][deleted] -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

Can I get a citation on that brigading thing? They've mentioned that in the past but not here. In fact, even on the page for /r/fatpeoplehate it now says they were banned for not being "safe" or something. No mention of brigading.

[–]MoocowR 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Because of this, we are changing our practices to prohibit attacks and harassment of individuals through reddit with the goal of preventing them.

That is brigading, IE going into an /r/pics comment section calling some one a hamplannet and downvoting them into oblivion. Which has happened frequently for a while, the sub hasn't been contained hate for a long time, it's rare to not see a comment section with the word hamplanet or "fellow shitlord!" and have a voting war.

But it's pretty safe to say they got done in by targeting the staff of a website which hosts the large majority of reddit content. It was only a matter of time before it was going to blow up and they would have been banned eventually anyways.

[–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

If you look at the top post now they mention "harassment vs brigading". They're saying there's a clear difference and that these were not banned for mere brigading, but because of a rule change.

[–]MoocowR -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

They were banned because they were a giant community of assholes, but unlike the other community of assholes on reddit they would personally attack people and leak out into other subs, they started going after the hand that feeds reddit (imgur) so some one stepped in.

I would like to imagine in an alternative universe reddit admins decided not to get involved and Imgur purged all reddit content they host from existence. Then we would be having a complete turn around in posts where people are angry the admins didn't get involved. Either way, any one who has modded anything will know there is no way to keep the community from yelling at you so you just do what you think is right, there's probably a reason you were trusted with that responsibility in the first place.

I came here for dank memes I couldn't give a shit if a bunch of cry baby bullies need to find some where else to jerk each other off.

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

So basically, it had nothing to do with brigading then? Okay, that's all I asked.

[–]MoocowR -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

they would personally attack people and leak out into other subs, they started going after the hand that feeds reddit (imgur) so some one stepped in.

Brigading

[–]Enverex 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Er if you paid attention the subs were banned on behalf of their brigading

Riiiight, that's why SRS still exists. Sure.

[–]MoocowR 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

is SRS even a thing any more? They haven't been relevant in years, they also never found pictures of redditors, posted them, and publicly shamed and mocked them. I hate SRS and SJW as much as the next guy but if you're honestly going to pretend that FPH wasn't cancer then you're retarded.

[–]From_ether -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Pure proof of the idiocy and thick headed mess of that sub. Never bite the hand that feeds you.

[–]MoocowR 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

But they only did this because triggered and fat

God, I'm actually embarrassed to be part of reddit today, I'm starting to think the entire community has autisms.

This free service we use to mock and personally shame people won't let us do it anymore, RIP the internet.

[–]From_ether 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I' downvoted that sub every time it showed up on all. It was pure cancer and the people behind give me a very clear picture of the future of humanity. If we don't step up and not condone this utter fallacy most of these people have in their heads of hate speech being condoned under the guise of "free speech" we will fail as a people.

[–]WideLight 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I had to RES filter it out. Now I have to wait for the admins to ban all these fuckheads.

[–]Rsdd12 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's pretty damn hilarious that all you "pro free speech" folks are defending the subreddit notorious for banning anyone who says anything remotely nice about fat people. Not even nice, just anything more than pure hate. One of their rules is literally "don't be fat". And y'all are defending them? Bullshit. This isn't about free speech.

[–]Jesusthrowaway123 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

it is. it's their freedom to makes rules for their own clubhouse. If they don't want fat people so be it. Let them be free and express themselves nomatter how retarded it is.

[–]Cryptic_Spooning 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit is the admins clubhouse.

[–]bigskymind 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The web is wide open, go make a clubhouse elsewhere. Why does Condé Nast owe you a special clubhouse?

[–]shaggy1265 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

for their own clubhouse.

It's not their clubhouse kid. Never has been never will be.

[–]Kylden_Ar 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Reddit is not the federal government. You do not have any guarantees of free speech here.

[–]Jesusthrowaway123 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well duh, read my past comments I have already explained this 30 times.

[–]Brainwash666 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

MY FREE SPEECH!!! Stop crying. This is a website not the US government. There is no free speech. Leave and take you stupid victim shit with you

[–]Jesusthrowaway123 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

read past comments, I have already addressed this

[–]DoomBread 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

If I was to take a guess I'd say FPH wasn't banned for expressing their free speech and hating fat people, but instead for harassing individuals, which is not part of your freedom of speech.

[–]Doctorphate 3ポイント4ポイント  (20子コメント)

Make your own website to preach on if you dont like theirs.

[–]Sikletrynet 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Freedom of speech? Really? Did you really think Reddit was a democracy? It's a privately owned company, not government run. Of course they can and will remove shitty subreddits like this at their discretion if they believe it hurts them.

And when are you people going to realise that "freedom of speech" only protects you from prosecution from the government, no where else

[–]ThaYoungPenguin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

when are you people going to realise that "freedom of speech" only protects you from prosecution from the government, no where else

Do you think it's not a concept worth advocating for on sites that are built around discussion?

I don't know whether you're trying to be purposely obtuse with the "privately owned company" bit. No shit it's a privately owned company. It's still a place for people to congregate and discuss ideas, and if that changes and certain ideas become subject to censorship, I would hope people would eventually put their web browsers where their mouths are and give another site advertising revenue.

[–]From_ether 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Is that logic? Get the fuck outta here

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    [–]Sikletrynet 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Where did you get the impression i don't value freedom of speech as a concept? I'm merely being realistic here. And my point was merely pointed to all the americans around, which there seems to be a majority of.

    [–]InconspicuousToast 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Are you willing to throw away your personal freedoms

    http://media.giphy.com/media/FuNOnpy4EIWmA/giphy.gif

    [–]Jesusthrowaway123 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Stop harassing me, stop shaming my opinion. Stop bullying me based on my sociological preferences. You are pretty much just did what the admin is trying to get people banned for.. The irony is real.

    [–]InconspicuousToast 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think you need longer arms for how far you're trying to reach here.

    [–]beefhash -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Reddit hates free speech

    No, they love free speech. Check their core value statement: "Allow freedom of expression." ...Which comes a bit after "Create a safe space to encourage participation." but that's just an implementation detail.

    [–]Cryptic_Spooning 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So you're saying that a private entity is seeking to create a safe space while encouraging free expression? It's almost like that's exactly what their doing! Holy shit!

    [–]EnviousDan 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I didn't care about disliking fat people as much as them... But this is pure censorship bias compared to all the gore and smut subreddits that are OK.

    [–]bigskymind 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They don't brigade and leak into other subs.

    [–]LexLugerChantSample -2ポイント-1ポイント  (18子コメント)

    If it is I'm fucking happy. Thank you admins.

    [–]Jesusthrowaway123 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (17子コメント)

    People actually agree with this choice? Today is a sad day for freedom.

    [–]LexLugerChantSample 3ポイント4ポイント  (16子コメント)

    FREEDOAM IS DED

    How is this a sad day for freedom? A private company enforces their own rules and bans people and their groups. Where is the sadness in that?

    [–]tw1260 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Freedom is a virtue, you can still wish for freedom from a private company

    [–]digger250 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (27子コメント)

    Private property rights trump free speech. Condé Nast wants reddit to be a welcoming place, not a venue for trolls and assholes.

    [–]k_r_oscuro 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Condé Nast

    September 2011, Reddit was split from Condé Nast, and now operates as a subsidiary of Condé Nast's parent company, Advance Publications.

    Advance Publications, Inc., is an American media company owned by the descendants of S.I. Newhouse Sr., Donald Newhouse and S.I. Newhouse, Jr.

    Samuel Irving Newhouse, Sr. Born in 1895 to a Jewish family in Bayonne, New Jersey, his original name was Solomon Neuhaus

    [–]birdboy2000 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (10子コメント)

    And this is the problem with private property.

    [–]--Petrichor-- 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

    What? What jump in logic brings you to that conclusion?

    Free Speech is a right, but Free Speech using any method you like is not a right.

    I'm not agreeing that these subreddits should have been banned, but do you seriously think it should be illegal to ban these subreddits?

    [–]birdboy2000 -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Yes. Yes I do.

    I think the current internet structure where forums inhabited by millions of people are the private property of whatever company pays their server bills, who can change policy unilaterally and leave the userbase no recourse but to leave said forum, is a failure. Reddit did not grow to this size by following this policy.

    [–]--Petrichor-- 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

    I'm sorry, but that is just an over-inflated sense of entitlement. They pay a huge server bill due to the millions of people. It's abso-fucking-lutely their right to do whatever they want to the rules. They should be able to shut it down if they want. Reddit absolutely grew to this size by following this policy.

    There isn't a right to reddit. If you disagree with the rules, build your own infrastructure, and make it open-source and publicly funded. I'm sure a publicly funded forum would be much more open to hate speech.

    [–]birdboy2000 -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

    And how did they get those millions of people? By decieving consumers about what sort of content they allowed. By following one policy to build the site, and another to make money from it, at the expense of the people who built it. It's false advertising on a grand scale, and Reddit's not the only offender.

    We need to change the internet to do away with this "monetizing" scam. Perhaps this means a large, publicly funded forum. Perhaps this means a move to more democratic protocols which don't have a central server which costs millions. But this policy is a failure.

    (And the admins did not ban hate speech. /r/shitredditsays and /r/coontown, among others, remain up.

    [–]BENT_PENIS 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Please fucking leave this site then. That'll show them.

    [–]birdboy2000 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    For another site with the same issues? It's a policy problem, it demands a policy solution, and they haven't touched my subs yet. It's (sadly) legal.

    [–]BENT_PENIS 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    What's sadly legal? Private companies being allowed to run their businesses? They let you use this site for free, you don't pay for it. They pay for it. They don't owe you anything.

    [–]--Petrichor-- 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They didn't deceive anybody. They changed the rules. And of course they are trying to make money from it. Do you want a free site that costs millions to run with no source of income?

    We need to change the internet to do away with this "monetizing" scam. Perhaps this means a large, publicly funded forum.

    Right, because everything the government (no matter which government) does is wonderfully run! Bureaucracy never gets in the way of progress, right?

    Perhaps this means a move to more democratic protocols which don't have a central server which costs millions.

    I think this is a good idea, and I think it's going to happen. And I think it's going to happen because of private property, not despite of it.

    (And the admins did not ban hate speech. /r/shitredditsays and /r/coontown , among others, remain up.

    Right, they banned acting on hate speech (at least from their perspective). Again, I don't agree with it, I'm just saying that making private property a thing of the past is an absurd reaction to take away from this.

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      [–]mansefson 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Is this satire?

      Gods please tell me this is satire.

      [–]Iamsherlocked37 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Sigh.

      They aren't taking away your Free Speech. Only the government can do that. If the government banned certain content from the Internet, you could rightfully bitch about your right to Free Speech.

      This is definitely censorship. But has nothing to do with your freedoms or rights.

      [–]Jesusthrowaway123 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

      I already commented on this 9000 times, read past comments. It's not the law itself, it's the message behind it.

      For example if the government made a law allowing zebras to have sex with goats what does that mean? Look at the deeper meaning.

      [–]seweroutlet 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Nope, not willing to throw it away. Until this subreddit is back I'm done with reddit. It will suck but screw em, time to find a new internet hang out.

      [–]Jesusthrowaway123 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Spare some time for our lord and savior 4Chan?

      [–]Jesusthrowaway123 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      They are already back https://www.reddit.com/r/fatpersonhate

      [–]seweroutlet 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Eh, not sure if that counts. /fatpeoplehate is still banned. If we just switch to a new subreddit it's really a milder form of giving in.

      [–]Jesusthrowaway123 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      is still banned. If we just switch to a new subreddit it's really a milder form of giving in.

      they had already switched seconds after the thread being deleted, and more people came

      [–]mehthisshit 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

      Do you realize you're becoming like those SJW you hate so much ? What do you hate them for ? Whining that they get persecuted all the time even when they just get what they deserve. Well guess what, when you're deliberately slandering people on the basis of their weight, you deserve to, at least, get reminded that you're not helping anybody.

      Still, censorship... I thought reddit admins were smarter than this

      [–]Jesusthrowaway123 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (8子コメント)

      Except I am not fighting for social justice. I am fighting for REAL equality. They should get reminded that slandering random internet pictures are bad? They aren't children and Reddit admins aren't adults waving the condescending finger.

      You forfeit your right to complain about criticism if you openly post your picture on a public forum. We need to start treating people like adults with responsibilities. The internet is not for children, the internet is for adults just like the real world. If you are oversensitive and can't handle words you don't deserve the responsibility that comes with the privilege that is the internet.

      [–]mehthisshit 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Whatever "REAL equality" is, a lot of the pictures displayed on this subreddit were not voluntarily put there by the depicted people on it. I'm sure you have some terrible life choices you wouldn't voluntarily make public. If they were and you were told in a, let's say, coarse way that you basically are less than a human being for having made this choice, who knows, you might kill yourself, get depressed and while you were trying to correct your mistakes, you might start hating yourself and make even worse ones.

      I'm thinking you delude yourself into thinking that free speech is some magic wand you can wave around to make everything you say into gold. Like the privilege of the internet, free speech is a responsibility. By using it to validate your right to slander you're simply making a joke of it.

      The right you're waving by defending this subbreddit is your right to be an asshole, and with this right comes the almost certainty that your ass will get kicked some day or another by someone waving his right to kick assholes,... in the ass.

      [–]Jesusthrowaway123 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      "were not voluntarily put there by the depicted people on it." They took the picture, they put it on the computer. They are responsible for it.

      "you basically are less than a human being for having made this choice"

      What? That doesn't make any sense.

      "By using it to validate your right to slander you're simply making a joke of it."

      Do you even know what slander means and how it relates to the real world?, yes I validate my free speech by using free speech.. Do you think I should validate my free speech by not expressing my freedom of speech? your logic is utterly retarded.

      [–]mehthisshit 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Okay let's adress all that :

      I have seen on many occasions people in the backgrounds of pictures being the target of this subreddit. Sometimes even pictures taken of the fat person in question unknowingly to them for the sole purpose of making fun of them. I'm not sure I'm responsible for people basically spying on me. You decide. Maybe it's "REAL equality" that allows that to happen.

      The number of qualifications for fat people I have seen here that degrade these people to sub-human level speaks for itself. I'm not sure what you did not understand. I'm not a native english speaker, please explain what's wrong with my sentence, maybe I could actually learn something from you.

      You're right, I misused "slander", I think I meant "disparagement" (not native english speaker sorry, blah blah...).

      My logic on the other hand is utterly not retarded. Freedom of speech was recognized as a human right because censorship was being used by dictatorships to better rule the crowds. You see, when an astronomer burns at the stake because he's defending heliocentrism, it's not hard to defend this man and his freedom to express his opinion.

      When some moron with a computer (and the (apparently) responsabilityless privilege of the internet) spends his day earning imaginary points by saying to fat people that they are fat, it gets harder for me, and it should for everyone with two ounces of honesty. I mean, sure he has the right ; we cannot discriminate when it comes to freedom of speech because as soon as you forbid someone from saying something based on some criterion, you can as easily invent new criterions and ban anything you want. But because he has the right doesn't mean he should do it. At a certain point, it becomes about decency and if the concerned person cannot make this call himself, I stand by my position on this point, he should be reminded.

      Waving your right to free speech in this case only makes you look like an entitled fool, not really far from all the tumblr bullshit and other SJW. You don't do things only because you can, if you do, well you're an asshole and I've already made my point on the case of assholes.

      I think this sub should not have been banned, it should have been abandonned as a creepy place for people with strange insecurities who have to make fun of other people to feel good about themselves. I know that because I've done it and I'm not proud of it.

      In the end, the only difference between you and me is that I'm sad this subreddit got banned because I wasn't able to see how petty it was and leave it myself.

      [–]Jesusthrowaway123 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      " I'm responsible for people basically spying on me"

      If you are in a public area they are allowed to take pictures of you unless they are trying to look up your skirt. If you are at your home and they are taking pictures it's not allowed, but it's not done on that sub or any other.

      "I think I meant "disparagement"" I don't care what you call it, it's childs play to make fun of random fat people. who cares grow up.

      "Freedom of speech was recognized as a human right because censorship was being used by dictatorships to better rule the crowds"

      Not even close but good try, it does apply to Reddit though.. With these new laws the Reddit admins can essentially shape what goes on the front page.

      "not really far from all the tumblr bullshit and other SJW"

      Wrong, I defend my freedom that millions of men have died for. SJW fight for reasons that don't even make sense for the SJW

      " I'm sad this subreddit got banned because I wasn't able to see how petty it was and leave it myself."

      Most of these trollsubs thrive off the negative criticism, if we just left it alone nobody would care

      [–]REDPILLASSHOLE 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Lmao real equality.

      The God given right to bully fat people on a private website.

      [–]Jesusthrowaway123 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      read past comments, you are taking what I saw out of context and bending them to your will.

      [–]REDPILLASSHOLE 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Why don't you just give me the tldr.

      [–]Jesusthrowaway123 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      TLDR. Reddit owner is force implementing his worldviews on Reddit, he has an ultra-progressive SJW mindset meaning our freedoms on Reddit will be taken away slowly. It's his website and he can do whatever he wants, but the majority don't seem to care that our freedoms get taken away, for it's similar to how the system works in real life. "People bombed our buildings so we take your freedoms away and never give them back"

      [–]CluelessNomad17 -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Hate speech is totally not covered under the 1st, and FPH was edging into that territory daily. No one has the protected right to be hateful.

      Edit: yes, I've already been corrected. Sorry guys.

      [–]Jesusthrowaway123 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      It is. They edged but didn't actually cross it.

      [–]CluelessNomad17 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You're right, thanks. Fighting words, not hate speech. Still not a government protection issue.

      And I guess we can just disagree. I think they crossed it. And anyone calling them on it was labelled "fatlover" regardless of actual belief about obesity.

      [–]ThaYoungPenguin 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      So much ignorance. The Supreme Court has protected hate speech since it started ruling on these cases. The first amendment DIRECTLY PROTECTS hate speech under these rulings.

      See: http://www.oyez.org/cases/1940-1949/1948/1948_272

      http://www.oyez.org/cases/1970-1979/1976/1976_76_1786 http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/firstamendment/papish.html http://www.oyez.org/cases/1990-1999/1994/1994_94_780

      Not that it matters because reddit is a privately owned company, as others have stated. But you are completely incorrect.

      [–]CluelessNomad17 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yes, I know and have already admitted as much. But thanks.

      [–]apricoto -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

      We need to find a way to hurt reddit as a protest. An event the admins will never forget.

      [–]Jesusthrowaway123 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      hurt implies violence. Damage is a better word.

      [–]mrimperfect -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Free speech is an ideal for the public sphere. Reddit always has been, and always will be, within the private sphere.

      [–]stone500 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Reddit isn't a protected public forum. Now, if you start your own fat hate website, and your hosting provider took it down, THAT would be an infringement of free speech.

      [–]Lord_Varys -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Why isn't the community in an uproar?

      Umm... It's absolutely in an enormous uproar.

      [–]ItsDarts -5ポイント-4ポイント  (22子コメント)

      No, they hate bigots, free speech doesn't mean you can say anything and not suffer consequences. You can say anything you like, no one is stopping you, just don't be surprised if you pay the consequences. Example IRL, if you called me a fat faggot, you have that right, no one is stopping you, just like no one would stop me from punching you in the face. I would suffer the consequences of assault charges and you'd suffer the consequences of a punched face. Now take this online, you can still call me a fat faggot, and I can still report you. Now I suffer the consequences of being called a fat faggot, which may or may not hurt my feelings and you suffer the consequences of being banned or what ever the mods do.

      Edit: Definition of Freedom of Speech

      the right of people to express their opinions publicly without governmental interference, subject to the laws against libel, incitement to violence or rebellion, etc.

      [–]Jesusthrowaway123 1ポイント2ポイント  (19子コメント)

      "free speech doesn't mean you can say anything and not suffer consequences"

      If you suffer consequences for speech it isn't free speech.

      [–]ItsDarts 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

      Nonsense, yelling fire in a movie theater will get you arrested if there is no fire, hate speech is also protected.

      [–]Jesusthrowaway123 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

      You aren't being arrested because of the speech itself. By raising your voice and causing a commotion you are technically breaking the law. Depending on the severity on how you act is how bad the punishment.

      [–]ItsDarts 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Your understanding of Freedom of speech is misguided.

      the right of people to express their opinions publicly without governmental interference, subject to the laws against libel, incitement to violence or rebellion, etc.

      Source, what a private or even public company decides to do, in no way infringes on your "rights" under the terms set by "Freedom of Speech". Basically you're free to express your opinion on your government as long as it's not libel or inciting violence. Yelling fire in a theater could cause harm due to stampede, not because you were loud.

      [–]Jesusthrowaway123 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

      (1940-45) Americans freedom of speech came long before that.. try again?

      [–]ItsDarts 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Wtf is this?

      [–]Jesusthrowaway123 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      your source you forgot to read. freedom of speech Examples Word Origin noun 1. the right of people to express their opinions publicly without governmental interference, subject to the laws against libel, incitement to violence or rebellion, etc. Expand Origin of freedom of speech Expand (1940-45)

      [–]ItsDarts 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      So what? Doesn't make the definition wrong, in fact it's been in effect under these terms since then. Now it seems that you're just being argumentative on purpose or you're too thick to understand what it really means, take your pick.

      [–]Jesusthrowaway123 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Your understanding of Freedom of speech is misguided. Freedom of speech existed to give people more freedoms. The founding fathers feared a government takeover and tried everything to stop it.

      [–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

      You definitely can suffer consequences for free speech. If you say something particularly egregious, people have every fucking right to speak out against you. They just shouldn't censor you or your views as views alone. They should downvote you, respond to you, argue with you, expose your views to the public at large. There are many valid consequences which can and do occur with full freedom of speech in any form. It's important to remember this when we censor things. The solution to things you take issue with tends not to be less speech, but more speech.

      [–]Jesusthrowaway123 -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

      A public forum shouldn't have downvotes as unpopular opinion usually never gets seen. There should be logical debates and the right to speak out, but never censorship.

      [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

      I think downvotes are perfectly fine, or at least as fine as upvotes, it's a tradeoff, allows freedom of expression while saving time for those who don't want to read the worst of it. Go try a chan if you want somewhere without votes. The chaos has benefits as well as problems. I don't think it's a bad system either way, I think censorship is really the overarching problem though, and reddit keeps ramping that up more and more.

      [–]Jesusthrowaway123 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Reddit implementing laws against freedom of speech won't work, the sheer amount of troll sub-reddits combined with the elasticity of their behavior means nomatter how many times you delete them they won't go away. The admins will eventually get tired and giveup.

      [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Yup. You're probably right, but the question is whether that happens before or after they lose their entire userbase.

      [–]Jesusthrowaway123 -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

      You realize this isn't a PewDiePie fanbase. As said the SHEER number of troll groups would mean the Reddit admins would have to work overtime everyday banning them all.. They won't do it.

      [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Perhaps. They already seem to be bleeding users over this though.

      [–]thepastIdwell 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Example IRL, if you called me a fat faggot, you have that right, no one is stopping you, just like no one would stop me from punching you in the face.

      Actually, those are two completely different things. If someone calls me something derogatory, even if what they're saying is true, I will laugh my ass off.

      If you punch someone due to the words they utter, you have a serious problem.

      [–]ItsDarts 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Obviously my example was extreme, but not out of question for some people, who may or may not have a problem, at least no more of a problem than someone who feels compelled to make derogatory remarks to hurt the feelings of someone else.