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[–]Dominus_Stercore 327ポイント328ポイント329ポイント 1時間 前 (40子コメント)
With Reddit logic just rename the sub to r/fatpeoplerape and its golden
[–]Derpsti 33ポイント34ポイント35ポイント 25分 前* (18子コメント)
They already banned /r/fatpersonhate /r/fatpeoplehate2 /r/fatpeoplehate3 /r/fatpeoplehate4 /r/fatpeoplehate5 /r/ObesePeopleDislike /r/largehumanloathing and even /r/publichealthawareness
They also Shadowbanned almost all the Mods, Archive here: https://archive.is/Gpp4E
/u/The_Penis_Wizard /u/The_Wizard_Of_Wang /u/SportyStrawberry /u/12_Years_A_Toucan /u/HomerSimpsonXronize /u/shmuklidooha /u/Achtung_Shitlord /u/TheMedic89 /u/CinnamonBeetus /u/HamathaMcBeetusButt /u/Space_Aryan /u/Space_Ninja /u/DumbCollegeStudent /u/PsychoticMouse /u/musclebabs_buffpants /u/steveryans /u/AADworkinShitlordAlt /u/Leelem0n /u/Anti-Kerensky were all shadowbanned
[–]2th 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 17分 前 (2子コメント)
/r/largehumanloathing
That one, that one cracks me up.
[–]fuckinfatteez 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 7分 前 (1子コメント)
I can't believe that found that.
[–]2th 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3分 前 (0子コメント)
It makes me think of a giant loathing everything around him. Like this 9 foot talk guy who loathes everything around him because nothing is made for his size. And we constantly seeing him frustrated as he hits door frames or having to get into a small car.
[–]0_o 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 23分 前 (4子コメント)
/r/fatpeoplehate5
[–]havocson 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 21分 前 (2子コメント)
Already banned
[–]0_o 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 18分 前 (1子コメント)
Exactly
[–]danyisill 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3分 前 (0子コメント)
/r/fatpeoplehate8 and /r/fatpeoplehate9 are b& too.
[–]TheoX747 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 16分 前 (0子コメント)
yeah, that one too. :(
[–]FKN_HOE_ELLEN 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 16分 前 (1子コメント)
Damn. Xronize was my homie. Fuck this shit, Im gonna kill myself with this goddamn gun now. By-
[–]tswift2 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 8分 前 (0子コメント)
Thanks for making this space safe ELLEN!
[–]DietsAreForHitler 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 8分 前 (2子コメント)
/r/fatpeoplehater is up
[–]vaelkar -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 3分 前 (1子コメント)
andddd down
[–]DietsAreForHitler -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 3分 前 (0子コメント)
god damn it
[–]ranfea 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7分 前 (0子コメント)
holy shit i can't believe they banned the mods...
[–]JangleBurgoo -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 3分 前 (0子コメント)
Not /u/Leelem0n!!!! :(
[–]LawroWoods 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1分 前 (0子コメント)
Holy shit! This is kicking off!
[–]Marswhalbaconattor 118ポイント119ポイント120ポイント 1時間 前 (6子コメント)
Just show pictures of dead fat people, and they'll give you gold as well.
[–]KosherDensity 31ポイント32ポイント33ポイント 32分 前 (0子コメント)
But make it only dead fat black people. Best to use black people to make it a safe space experience for fat white people.
[–]shows7 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント 31分 前 (4子コメント)
you mean like this?
[–]inyourendo15 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 27分 前 (1子コメント)
Needs more pink hair.
[–]LawroWoods 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3分 前 (0子コメント)
That was a risky click. But worth it for the lols.
[–]JangleBurgoo 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2分 前 (0子コメント)
NSFW that shit yo
[–]CuntPunt9000 52ポイント53ポイント54ポイント 1時間 前 (5子コメント)
Better make it /r/rapingdeadfatties
[–]Guerillafear 28ポイント29ポイント30ポイント 46分 前 (3子コメント)
/r/rapingsexyniggerabortions
[–]CuntPunt9000 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 38分 前 (0子コメント)
That's hot.
[–]KosherDensity 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 30分 前 (1子コメント)
Instant 2k subs
[–]IDidItForTheSkooma 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 19分 前 (0子コメント)
"How is this not a sub yet"-Ellen Pao
[–]YoureStillFat_FatAss 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 29分 前 (1子コメント)
/r/coontownfattyrape should be safe.
[–]IIIISuperDudeIIII 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2分 前 (0子コメント)
/r/tumblrinaction should be next... what about /r/fatpeopleinaction ?
[–]ArtisanVirgil 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 8分 前* (0子コメント)
Does no one see the irony in this? A post in free speech, about censoring a subreddit, a subreddit that strictly controlled the comments inside of it? You were literally not allowed to say anything that dissented from blind hate. Is that free speech?
And it's like everyone doesn't get what was going on. That they literally think some fat fucks got butt hurt over the sub existing and removed it, instead of the sub aggressively attacking admins for things they had not done (censoring on imgur, it was users that caused images to be removed). FPH was an anti-free-speech cess pit of childish hatred.
[–]SIONRAH 111ポイント112ポイント113ポイント 1時間 前 (95子コメント)
This is starting to get concerning, It's like the whole front page from a few hours ago disappeared.
[–]AlchemyPhoenix 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 33分 前 (6子コメント)
They even removed the obese heart image from /r/pics that had 4000+ upvotes, because it was too cheekily topical.
[–]Dimethyltrypta_miner 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 15分 前 (3子コメント)
I thought you were joking at first... boy does reddit suck right now
[–]Mrcnutty 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 7分 前 (2子コメント)
Free speech is your ability to go make another website for FPH. Not your ability to demand Reddit to let you do whatever you want with their site.
[–]TiredOfYourShit21 67ポイント68ポイント69ポイント 1時間 前* (59子コメント)
They removed /r/fatpeoplehate then /r/FPH then /r/fatpeoplehate2 then /r/fatpersonhate and then /r/publichealthawareness and /r/fatpersonhate2 in one blow, and now just took out /r/obesepeopledislike and are shadowbanning all moderators that create any new subreddits against fat people
I wish they went after racists subreddit like /r/coontown or /r/rapingwomen or pictures of dead children or cute corpses subreddit this hard
/r/fattypeople is our new home. Follow the rules so we don't get banned for the 12th time
[–]TheoX747 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 16分 前 (1子コメント)
it's not like they're banning the offshoot subreddits for breaking the rules. They're just abusing their power now.
[–]Gamiac 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 8分 前 (0子コメント)
Banned for fat sympathy
[–]HotPandaLove 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 25分 前 (2子コメント)
I think they did, in fact, ban r/shitniggerssay, or something to that effect.
[–]TiredOfYourShit21 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 24分 前 (1子コメント)
Yeah the smallest racism subreddit on the site. That's like cutting off the fingernail of the beast instead of the fucking head, it was just for show
[–]minerlj 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 15分 前 (1子コメント)
and /r/fattypeople is now banned
[–]imamurfy 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 6分 前 (5子コメント)
wtf. the raping women one. why is that not banned? :/
[–]TiredOfYourShit21 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 5分 前 (2子コメント)
Cause reddit needs to wait for them to break the rules apparently. Meanwhile they've banned 15 fat people hate subreddits
[–]imamurfy 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3分 前 (1子コメント)
i dont understand that. like thats disgusting. in other words, talking about raping someone is ok, but not a fat person? wtf
Because... "mah freeze peaches!"
[–]Driasd0 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 47分 前 (13子コメント)
/r/fatpeoplehate5 is around
[–]super_jo 21ポイント22ポイント23ポイント 32分 前 (5子コメント)
just got banned
[–]NRMusicProject 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 27分 前 (2子コメント)
But /r/fatpeoplehate6 is up and running.
[–]super_jo 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 15分 前 (1子コメント)
as is /r/fatpeoplelove (sarcasm mode engage)
[–]aR4ndomblackguy 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 6分 前 (0子コメント)
Should post on all the fat accepting subs so they can get banned...fuck it post on all subs get everyone banned:D
[–]FlockaFlameSmurf 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 15分 前 (1子コメント)
And still no response from the reddit admins on this. This shit isn't going to stop especially with everyone watching. Things can only get worse from here if they don't respond to the massive shitstorm they started.
[–]super_jo 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 6分 前 (0子コメント)
Let them stay silent, let the bans continue. all they're doing is shooting themselves in the foot. FPH was basically a bunker of enemy soldiers in the kingdom of North Koreddit. when the dear leader decided the bunker's time was up, 150 thousand angry soldiers rose up to pillage the kingdom and form many more smaller bunkers. they know (or should) that they could go to the nation of Voat.co and be shitlords in peace but watching this place burn is just so much fun.
[–]Patchface- 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 31分 前* (2子コメント)
and/r/fatpeoplehate6 is next
/r/fatpeoplehate7 ahaha
[–]SocratesII 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 28分 前 (1子コメント)
This is hilarious
[–]minerlj 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 14分 前 (0子コメント)
post nothing but fatty recipes. let's see if the mods ban it.
[–]Jizzmaster3000 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 32分 前 (0子コメント)
gone.
[–]Kornstalx 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 29分 前 (1子コメント)
not anymore. As in, less than 2 minutes ago.
[–]Driasd0 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 29分 前 (0子コメント)
I saw! What a fun day!
[–]Treelink 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 35分 前 (0子コメント)
And the best thing about numbers are they just keep going. 1, 2, 3, 4 down. I think /r/fatpeoplehate945623415 may still be available.
[–]MrYazzo 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 10分 前 (0子コメント)
Rip /r/fattypeople
[–]CorvusHerald 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 36分 前 (3子コメント)
/r/obesepeopledislike is banned for "ban evasion". Sounds like some weird government shadow charge.
[–]workedog 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 9分 前 (0子コメント)
Stop resisting!
[–]SirToastymuffin 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 22分 前 (1子コメント)
It kind of makes sense, really. They banned the subreddit so they basically cloned it. It's not that crazy to ban it again. It's a private site too, they can enforce whatever rules they wish, anyhow.
[–]Days0fDoom 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 6分 前 (0子コメント)
I wish they went after racists subreddit like /r/coontown or /r/rapingwomen or pictures of dead children or cute corpses subreddit this
That's kind of an odd comment for the free speech sub.
[–]tommypr 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 5分 前 (0子コメント)
Fattypeople was banned
[–]max_f_robespierre 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 27分 前 (0子コメント)
yeah, real terrible, you should probably got to voat, and never come back.
[+]lost_but_crowned スコアが基準値未満のコメント-23ポイント-22ポイント-21ポイント 1時間 前 (24子コメント)
Concerning? I love it. It was riddled with trash. Those clamoring about free speech are stupid.
It isn't censorship. It's playing garbage man and keeping the shit out of the streets. Normal people don't want anything to do with that shit.
This whole ordeal has highlighted the real issue: acting anonymously on the internet shows the extent of depravity of human nature. It's actually just sad.
I know most of FPH and other weird hate subreddits are probably comprised of young teenage boys, but still, I thought the youth were hopefully becoming more tolerant.
I love people and do my best to fight the cynics of the world that want nothing to do with people. So many people today want to sit at home and not interact with one another. I'm 28 but strongly believe in face to face communication, that's the one thing about tech that does bother me - the belittlement of human interaction.
Anyways, I digressed, but when people act like such cunts in FPH and similar subs, it is truly difficult to defend human nature. And that's sad.
We're all in this together.
[–]SIONRAH 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 57分 前* (17子コメント)
I wasn't a fan of the subreddit, I think what they represented was wrong. I however am not quite sure they are just playing garbage man. They have many other subreddits that should've gone first IMO. r/coontown or whatever it is shouldn't be allowed to exist before r/fatpeoplehate shouldn't be allowed to exist. If you disagree with that at least let me have that they should be taken out at the same time if the admins were to be playing "garbage man." Anyways IDK I just feel like there are probably more angles that you should look at.
Edit: Guys don't just downvote someone because you don't agree. Instead you can just not upvote, that's an option too.
[–]ooginator 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 44分 前 (6子コメント)
Wasn't the whole point that the content within the sub made no difference, but when the members start actively harassing people in other subs (and impacting their free speech) then it became an issue?
[–]lost_but_crowned 15ポイント16ポイント17ポイント 47分 前 (8子コメント)
I would be happy to see coontown banned.
If fairness, I had no idea that sub existed until today. That is the major difference between FPH and CT. FPH littered the front page - it was very obnoxious. CT seems to keep to themselves. It still sad, but they are private about it.
[–]SirToastymuffin 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 14分 前 (0子コメント)
CT is following the rules, as shitty as they may be. I guarantee the second they step across that line that subreddit will be nuked from orbit.
[–]sequestration 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 30分 前 (0子コメント)
It still has nothing to do with censorship or free speech.
It's has everything to do with harassment.
Is /r/coontown actively harassing people?
[–]leetchaos 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 23分 前 (0子コメント)
Well said
[–]weewolf 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 45分 前 (3子コメント)
I thought the youth were hopefully becoming more tolerant.
“The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.”
― Socrates
Those damn kids now a days...
[–]478431188447 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 6分 前 (0子コメント)
This is why they should have gone with moot's style of moderation. Containment boards exist for a reason. They should have simply done what moot did to /pol/ and punish /r/fatpeoplehate for a little while. That would have made a nice shit show. Perhaps this is their punishment. I wonder if the admins will eventually cave and let them have a sub, or if they'll relentlessly ban all of the new ones indefinitely.
If they had a problem with the way it was moderated in that it was breaking main site rules, they should have gotten mods that would comply with global rules. Or they could just invent a new rule and ban the sub.
[–]MrBinns 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 5分 前 (0子コメント)
move to fatpeoplehat2
[–]ollymckinley 106ポイント107ポイント108ポイント 50分 前 (36子コメント)
There's an important debate to be had about obesity and lifestyle choices, and it's important that people who believe that growing obesity rates are a problem should have a voice in that debate.
But /r/fatpeoplehate wasn't that voice, and it wasn't a place of rational debate. It was a hate group where people could get together to hate on fatties.
It's not a free speech issue. Nobody's point of view is being suppressed here. /r/fatpeoplehate was assholes enjoying being assholes, together.
[–]truhbaby 83ポイント84ポイント85ポイント 39分 前 (3子コメント)
Also, kind of ironic that these people are complaining about free speech when any dissenting viewpoint posted on their former subreddit was immediately deleted and the user was banned
[–]AwkwardTurtle 57ポイント58ポイント59ポイント 36分 前 (2子コメント)
It's almost like they don't actually care about free speech, but instead the "right" to be as hateful as possible.
FPH was the opposite of a place that promoted free speech.
[–]heroinhero 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 29分 前 (0子コメント)
Mob mentality at its finest.
[–]comrade-jim 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 29分 前 (0子コメント)
It's almost as if reddit consists of retards.
[–]jamesmusclecarcampbe 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 44分 前 (0子コメント)
That was the best summation I've read of this shitstorm.
[–]YoureStillFat_FatAss 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 34分 前 (12子コメント)
/r/fatpeoplehate was assholes enjoying being assholes, together.
And now they've all scattered and will be "assholes" everywhere else. Good job, reddit.
[–]SirToastymuffin 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 12分 前 (0子コメント)
They seem to be pretty intent on banding together still. I don't mind if the admins play whack a mole for a few month while we enjoy the peace elsewhere.
[–]MadHiggins 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 27分 前 (8子コメント)
well they were already infesting every other sub like roaches anyways, so the only difference is now their big support group is gone. seriously, if they had just kept it to their own sub then this probably wouldn't have happened.
[–]YoureStillFat_FatAss 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 22分 前 (4子コメント)
they were already infesting every other sub like roaches anyways,
Largely, no. You weren't allowed to post links to any other subs; if you did, comment was deleted. There's always going to be asshats going out and doing their own thing, but by and large, /r/fatpeoplehate wanted to keep their shit contained to one sub. And their support group isn't gone; if anything it's multiplied because of all this censorship bullshit.
[–]MadHiggins 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 17分 前 (3子コメント)
the sub would literally post pictures of other redditors on their sidebar, so the actual mods would do it(the first time i was shown the sub by my brother, my sister in law was in the room and saw that some fat girl who made her own dress from /r/sewing was on the side bar and she said "that's so sad, she just wanted to show her dress and now she's being viciously attacked by this sub"). and then the users would swarm to the user in question and just start fucking attacking them. and complaining about censorship? the mods would literally ban anyone at the drop of a hat for going against hate. it's hilarious to hear people from that sub complain about THE VERY THINGS THEY ACTIVELY ENCOURAGED.
[–]YoureStillFat_FatAss 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 12分 前 (2子コメント)
Pictures were posted but usernames were NEVER provided.
[–]MadHiggins 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 4分 前 (1子コメント)
rofl, is that actually your defense? perfectly okay that the mods themsevles would start it, but fine since they didn't provide a username. regardless of the fact that a lack of username would have no effect on the ravening hordes of fathate's ability to hunt the person down and try to make their life miserable. for shit's sake, it was an actual hate group and by far the most active hate group i've seen on the internet. at least places like /r/coontown wouldn't hunt other users down.
[–]YoureStillFat_FatAss 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2分 前 (0子コメント)
Are you actually seriously defending a place like /r/coontown?! lol
[–]_akrom 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 17分 前 (2子コメント)
Actually, they gave them power. Now there is no brigading as they have no sub.
[–]MadHiggins 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3分 前 (1子コメント)
remains to be seen whether it makes them strong or weaker, but i personally think it'll make them weaker since now they no longer have mods to direct them to attacking people or one place to gather together and circlejerk.
[–]p3ndu1um 227ポイント228ポイント229ポイント 49分 前 (109子コメント)
You misunderstand the meaning of free speech. Free speech is meant to prevent the government from censoring speech. It has nothing to do with how non-government entities handle speech in their business/home/etc.
If you don't like it take your business elsewhere, and if you're only argument is "it's not illegal," then it's not really a strong argument.
[–]minerlj 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 18分 前 (1子コメント)
I don't really think there is someone out there who legitimately thinks that reddit is breaking the constitution.
I admit freely that the reddit admins have every right to ban whatever subreddits they want at any time, for any reason, or no reason at all.
That doesn't mean that we can't disagree with their decision.
That doesn't mean that we can't poke holes in their logic.
That doesn't mean that we can't take this sitting down.
[–]Fridge-Largemeat 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2分 前 (0子コメント)
It also doesn't mean we have to use their site if it comes down to it.
We're free to move on if we don't like how they run their site.
[–]pfohl 76ポイント77ポイント78ポイント 34分 前 (18子コメント)
Yeah, why are the people from FPH in this subreddit? The point of this sub has been to discuss the idea of free speech. It's not a springboard for rants and raves.
[+]GetMeOffReddit スコアが基準値未満のコメント-12ポイント-11ポイント-10ポイント 31分 前* (12子コメント)
They're desperate for attention. They know they're dying out and that they've lost, they just can't accept it yet.
Edit: And here comes the brigade, how adorable. No wonder y'all are getting banned left and right :)
[–]LackingTact19 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 25分 前 (6子コメント)
Dying out? The spark that brought this ban was that FPH got into the top 300 subreddits with over 150k subscribers and was the 7th most active subreddit last month. Keep up your delusions.
[–]afsfaaf 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 13分 前 (0子コメント)
You misunderstand the meaning of free speech.
Reddit claims to be a free speech platform where the community owns itself.
"Allow freedom of expression."
"Be stewards, not dictators. The community owns itself."
http://www.reddit.com/about/values/
Reddit is what it is because of the USERS, not because of the admins.
"reddit is a pretty open platform and free speech place, but there are a few rules:"
http://www.reddit.com/rules/
So stow your bullshit.
[–]Sorlex 49ポイント50ポイント51ポイント 35分 前 (25子コメント)
B-but my free speech! B-but my r-right to make fun of fat people! T-.. Those fatties amirite guys!?
B-but my free speech!
B-but my r-right to make fun of fat people!
T-.. Those fatties amirite guys!?
If this whole thing was about something that mattered, could get behind it. But these cry babies are sulking up a storm and flooding the front page with their nonsense because they can't use their hate box anymore? Jesus christ, these people need some perspective.
[–]Krypt0night 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 7分 前 (1子コメント)
I mean a huge part of it is that there are a TON of both fucked up AND hateful subs out there that aren't being banned. Places like /r/coontown are still up. Racism is fine, but hating fat people (something they can change) isn't okay. But let's not talk about that.
[–]Sorlex 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 2分 前 (0子コメント)
I'm imagining its simply a case of the admins clearing the hateful subreddits that show up on the /r/all page first. You never seen something like /r/coontown there.
Not that I am arguing against you or anything here. They totally should be closing those kind of subs, and yes its very clearly are far more offensive (and serious) subject matter than fat people.
[–]GetMeOffReddit 36ポイント37ポイント38ポイント 31分 前 (5子コメント)
Yup. I'm fully in favor of free speech. We should be allowed to talk about things without fear of a governmental interference.
However a hate group getting kicked off of a website? Haha, I'm perfectly fine with that. It's like getting pissed if a restaurant refuses to host a WBC rally.
[–]AlisherUsmanov 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 27分 前 (0子コメント)
Actually, thats really just the free speech protections afforded to us by the united states constitution. The notion of freedoms of speech does not start and end with the United States constitution or government involvement. Individuals can deprive other individuals of freedoms. And I do not see anything in the sidebar limiting discussions of free speech to that of constitutional protections. However, kudos for at least understanding that in america, those clamoring for "free speech" often have no idea that our protections apply to governmental actions.
[–]dogs_dogs_dogs 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 29分 前* (1子コメント)
Free speech is exactly what says to be, free speech. It's simply a value. The 'free speech is only from the government' argument stems pretty much from the First Amendment, but I'd like to think people value free speech more than simply because an amendment says so. You're essentially saying that because business are allowed to censor, it's always moral of them to censor.
I'm not really making a normative claim about the whole FPH drama. But free speech exists beyond government interference.
Or you know just down vote and don't respond.
[–]sgx191316 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 31分 前 (1子コメント)
No, you misunderstand the meaning of free speech. You're talking about the first amendment. The first amendment and freedom of speech are not the same thing.
[–]AquitaineHungerForce 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 11分 前 (0子コメント)
Yep, free speech is a natural right and the first amendment is a way to protect that natural right.
[–]Predicted 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 26分 前 (5子コメント)
That isnt the argument though, and i think people are very aware that they can go elsewhere, that doesnt mean that you as a consumer cant complain when a company changes direction or does something you find objectionable.
Reddit has long been about free speech, but that era is seemingly over and people are pissed about it, and the way that the admins are selectively enforcing these rules to only hit a certain demographic makes it seem that these moves are political in nature rather than with any TOS violations in mind.
None of what reddit does is illegal, but many find it objectionable and that is why they "revolt" against it, that free speech argument really doesnt matter because noone is trying to sue reddit.
[–]Meatslinger 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 21分 前 (0子コメント)
Do you support the fundamental elements of a free democracy? If so, do you not think that the same principles by which we structure a society should apply to those organizations and individuals within the society? To put it another way, if a culture deems killing to be immoral, though not illegal, do you think an organization within this culture should be considered in good standing if it kills people? If not, you have a pretty substantial contradiction to explain.
Yes, most people know that organizations aren't forced to allow free speech under a legal definition. But, it's a pretty big element of western democratic culture that people are allowed to speak their minds, and when someone like Pao and/or the admins trample on that, they're trampling on the values that most people hold as being important for a functioning, free society. This effect is amplified when it happens to a platform that once was free, but then falls under despot-like command, with spontaneous censoring and mass-bannings. Imagine, for example, if your local park/mall/cultural centre suddenly privatized and started banning, let's say, gamers from entering. It's not illegal, and they have the rights to bar this group of people if they choose, but it shows a political position on their part that runs directly contrary to the values of the society they are a member of. It's bad citizenship, on a corporate level. Hence, all the comparisons to communist China; the admins' actions make people feel reminiscent of a totalitarian dictatorship, instead of the open culture they were used to, and so comparisons can't really be avoided.
[–]christophupher 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 40分 前 (3子コメント)
Voice of reason.
[–]IranianGenius 18ポイント19ポイント20ポイント 30分 前 (2子コメント)
I've seen this xkcd all over today. Pretty relevant.
[–]christophupher 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 28分 前 (0子コメント)
Yeah I recently saw that too. Reddit is a mess today.
[–]xkcd_transcriber 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 29分 前 (0子コメント)
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Title: Free Speech
Title-text: I can't remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express.
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[–]AP3Brain 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 25分 前* (2子コメント)
My god.. It's like half the user base are in middle school. How is a private organization stopping INDIVIDUAL harassment (to avoid being sued) infringing on anybody's rights? If anything is going to make me quit reddit it would be how a lot of people are reacting like children. I am just convincing myself it is the /r/fatpeoplehate users plaguing other subreddits.
[–]crownpuff 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 7分 前 (0子コメント)
Premise: Rational people don't dedicate their energy to anger and hate
1a. People on /r/fatpeoplehate dedicated their energy on irrational anger and hatred
1b. Therefore, /r/fatpeoplehate are not rational.
2a. Irrational people either refuse or are incapable of understanding rationality.
2b. Thus, it is pointless to argue using rationality with people that refuse to accept rationality itself.
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[–]SeanTCU 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 6分 前 (0子コメント)
A forum that specifically banned "dissent" from their spiteful ideaology and attitude really shouldn't be seen as a bastion of free speech.
[–]Rsdd12 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 5分 前 (0子コメント)
Ya, it's actually pretty hilarious that the people constantly talking about free speech always end up defending CP, illegal nudes, harassment and doxxing, and the sub that will ban you for simply being fat. They don't give a damn about free speech, they just want to spew their shit without being criticized.
[–]neutron1 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 11分 前 (2子コメント)
MY FREE SPEACH TO HARASS PEOPLE !!!!!!
[–]reptiliod 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7分 前 (1子コメント)
opining in a restricted subreddit =/= harassment
[–]neutron1 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 5分 前 (0子コメント)
YOU ARE RIGHT BROTHER !!!!! LISTING THE STAFF OF IMGUR ON LE SIDEBAR WAS JUST AN F.Y.I. !!!!!!!!!!
[–]FredlyDaMoose 45ポイント46ポイント47ポイント 1時間 前 (1子コメント)
/r/shitpost
[–]ameoba 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 26分 前 (0子コメント)
It's the shittiest day I've seen in ages.
[–]zazu2006 34ポイント35ポイント36ポイント 43分 前 (17子コメント)
I don't think you understand what free speech is. You have every right to say what you want, and a private entity has every right to say fuck off you hateful cunts. The government can't but other entities can.
[–]fjorkinbjorksfjord 37ポイント38ポイント39ポイント 1時間 前 (15子コメント)
voat.co is a Pao-less version of reddit
[–]CuntPunt9000 26ポイント27ポイント28ポイント 1時間 前 (7子コメント)
With no bandwidth that seems to crash quite easily. Bummer.
[–]Sylvester_Scott 34ポイント35ポイント36ポイント 49分 前 (1子コメント)
voat.co server room currently....
http://i.imgur.com/PCy0FJD.jpg
[–]Faerco 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント 36分 前 (0子コメント)
voat.co's network admin right now http://i.imgur.com/Z37C8M8.jpg
[–]iamatablet 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 43分 前 (1子コメント)
kinda of like reddit these last few weeks.
[–]CuntPunt9000 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 38分 前 (0子コメント)
School's out?
[–]BestBootyContestPM 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 20分 前 (2子コメント)
And its about to be filled with a bunch of assholes that are leaving reddit... It will probably kill voat.co off.
[–]ameoba 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 27分 前 (0子コメント)
Please - take all this bullshit there.
Everyone will be happier.
[–]NotAsClumsyOrRandom 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 25分 前 (0子コメント)
Awesome, a place to ship all the hateful fucks
[–]LordKarnage 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 18分 前 (0子コメント)
And you all will come back to Reddit within a week.
[–]max_f_robespierre 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 27分 前 (1子コメント)
yes, please, all you shitfuckers go there.
[–]D4rthkitty 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 12分 前 (0子コメント)
People realized they /r/fatpeoplehate got banned for personal attacks and DDOSing people right? Which happens to be very much against the rules of reddit.
You can spew whatever hatred you want as long as it doesn't leave your subreddit. But when you post pictures of the mods on imgur in the sidebar and say lets fuck with these people you rightfully get banned.
[–]MeeceAce 31ポイント32ポイント33ポイント 1時間 前 (3子コメント)
They really thought they could just sweep several subs under the rug and just be done with it huh?
[–]gsb_88 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 31分 前 (2子コメント)
I say we find content that represents the views of FPH and post them to their respective subreddits.
Example being, an obese person with various skin infections brought on by their obesity and post it to /r/WTF, ect.
If they ban FPH, we'll use reddit as a whole as a platform to share FPH.
[–]SirToastymuffin 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 10分 前 (1子コメント)
Id far rather a campaign to show the harmful sides of rampant obesity over a cesspool of "lel hamplanet". More people react positively to reality checks than hatred anyway.
[–]terriblehuman 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 36分 前 (3子コメント)
LOL, this is hilarious. Do you idiots even know what freedom of speech is?
[–]seaslugs 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 20分 前 (0子コメント)
I guess one could say that all the fatpeoplehaters were... triggered
[–]TheFatalWound 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 36分 前* (2子コメント)
relevant XKCD. Bring it, boys. Show me how violently your jimmies rustle.
[–]xkcd_transcriber 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 36分 前 (0子コメント)
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[–]tonyantonio 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 26分 前 (0子コメント)
Fucking fatty, YOU ARE BANNED
What our sub is banned? CENSORESHIPDPsdadkadpoa!!!!!!!!! Fucking FARTTITEIADISADa
[–]low_ho_fosho 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 34分 前 (0子コメント)
Guys, I'm going to give you a hint:
Reddit—are you guys following?—is just a fucking website. If you hate it, then find that little 'x' in the corner of your screen, and fucking click it.
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[–]kayfabebutthole 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 1時間 前 (2子コメント)
wow they just banned these too. can a company who supports free speech install the reddit software on their servers?
[–]kevinstonge 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 1時間 前 (1子コメント)
we have voat.co ... what we lack is servers :\
[–]rrexyl 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 28分 前 (0子コメント)
WHERE ARE MUH RITES
fuhrer kung pao broked first amendment
fatpeoplehate is the epitome of free speech amirite
[–]razma666 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 18分 前 (0子コメント)
(http://i.imgur.com/gn5I2vZ.gif)
[–]DudeJapan 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 6分 前 (0子コメント)
Wouldn't a freespeech sub be against FPH since that sub would constantly censor people everyday?
[–]Gabriel_Helion 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 6分 前 (0子コメント)
I mean reddit is a private company and has the right to enforce what gets put on it's website. If you need to spew vitriolic hate so much just make your own fucking website don't make it into some free speech issue that doesn't exist.
[–]beaverslayer99 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 5分 前 (0子コメント)
Obesepeopledislike
[–]CB750F 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 4分 前 (0子コメント)
Sign the petition! https://www.change.org/p/reddit-bring-back-r-fatpeoplehate
[–]BrayWinsOrWeWyatt 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 33分 前 (0子コメント)
Muh FREEDUMBS!!!!!!!!!
[–]_Dilligent 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 35分 前 (0子コメント)
this is fantastic!
[–]Driasd0 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 48分 前 (4子コメント)
/r/fatpeoplehate5 is the current manifestation.
This is the most entertaining day of reddit ever.
[–]WasteIsland 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 34分 前 (1子コメント)
Its been deleted
[–]SurferGirl_Chi -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 33分 前 (1子コメント)
5 is banned
[–]pkfreeze830 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 21分 前 (0子コメント)
For people who hate fat people, you guys spend a lot more time than necessary inside on your computers arguing a fictious fight to bring back a tiny corner of the Internet. Y'all need to get out more, which is saying a lot for Reddit.
[–]Gamps_ 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 55分 前 (16子コメント)
go make your own website
[–]TotesMessenger 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3分 前 (0子コメント)
[–]mofothehobo 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 28分 前 (0子コメント)
Why is this upvoted in r/FreeSpeech?
Regarding r/fatpeoplehate, nothing screams being insecure more than a sub dedicate to hating people.
[–]pramirez184 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 27分 前 (3子コメント)
This is not a free speech issue. I will say this again so that it is clear. This is not a free speech issue. Non-government entities do not have to care about what you say.
This is cleaning a segment of the community that is nothing but toxic, and honestly, things like this are long overdue. /r/fatpeoplehate was highly visible due to the large number of subscriptions, so it was the first to go. I imagine smaller subs that add nothing other than hate and harassment to the community will be identified and banned within the coming weeks.
It may be a good idea for the admins to set up a "no holds barred" area where people can post anything they want other than things that are banned site-wide (for example, posting personal information).
[–]Phyltre 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 10分 前 (0子コメント)
Freedom of speech does not only apply to the government. The first amendment only applies to the government in the US, but the concept of free speech is a bit broader than that.
[–]you_stay_classy 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 6分 前 (0子コメント)
Amen. Also the "no holds barred" area of Reddit may be 4chan.
[–]HangTheDJHangTheDJ 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 26分 前 (1子コメント)
The users of that sub got it banned because of stalking behavior. That was a safety issue and a massive liability for reddit. If someone mentioned that sub in a suicide note the backlash would be insane. This is why you can't have nice things. It's not a free speech issue. It's a liability for the company. How fucking stupid can you be?
[–]Sanhael 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 22分 前 (0子コメント)
The entire subreddit was not guilty of stalking behavior. Meanwhile, you've got subreddits like /r/beatingwomen2 and /r/cutefemalecorpses. There are child murder subreddits. What about THAT liability?
[–]az2997 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 49分 前 (0子コメント)
Go to /r/butterbuttbashing if you're looking for another head of the hydra to express your distaste of overweight people!
[–]LordWolfs 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 36分 前 (0子コメント)
Man it seems like the people who bash fat people complain more then the fat people they bash.
[–]adoreoner -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 2時間 前 (5子コメント)
/r/fatpeoplehate4
[–]TiredOfYourShit21 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 1時間 前 (1子コメント)
Nope it's been banned
[–]adoreoner 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1時間 前 (0子コメント)
/r/fatpeoplehate70
[–]YoureAllClueless 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 33分 前 (0子コメント)
http://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/39bzdf/why_was_rfatpeoplehate_along_with_several_other/cs2c14q
[–]Danieltck 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 29分 前 (0子コメント)
Look what I found: http://www.reddit.com/r/HateEllenPao/
[–]Angry_Robot 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 29分 前 (0子コメント)
Easy response if you're unhappy with all this censorship but unable to give up reddit... use Adblock, never buy reddit gold. It's a business like any other.
[–]TrippyScholar 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 27分 前 (1子コメント)
Is fatepeoplehate2 already fucking down?
[–]Sanhael 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 21分 前 (0子コメント)
And 3, 4, 5, fatpersonhate, obesepersondislike, etc. etc.
[–]onlyforwriting 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 24分 前 (0子コメント)
Insert my fuck the police comment.
[–]idkmybffjll 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 21分 前 (0子コメント)
The thing that has pissed me off most is that there was a picture of an obese heart on /r/pics with over 4000 upvotes. No inflammatory anything about it. Taken down.
http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/39ct0d/the_heart_of_an_obese_person_nsfw/
[–]Virtikle 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 14分 前 (0子コメント)
https://www.change.org/p/reddit-fire-ellen-pao-6a910839-1ede-4d35-b5e1-34a79abf1474/share?after_sign_exp=default&just_signed=true
Just saying.
[–]zoidboix 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 10分 前 (0子コメント)
/r/HealthyJealousy
[–]Stormkitty -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 9分 前 (0子コメント)
Real talk: What the fuck did the admins expect would happen? FPH was a containment board, like /pol/ and /mlp/. You can't just delete a containment board. Look what happened with 4chan and GamerGate. Every board was instantly cancer. Ponyfuckers everywhere, pol shitposting at an all time high. It took weeks before containment was effective again. The problem with reddit is they ban containment boards then act surprised when cancer metastasizes everywhere on the site.
[–]RockyMntWayJoeWalsh 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 9分 前 (0子コメント)
Ban my big dick, prick!
[–]Svstem 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 6分 前 (0子コメント)
Restlessly making fun of people's appearance and calling anyone who disagrees a pig fucker? Yeah, take your "free speech" elsewhere.
[–]beaverslayer99 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3分 前 (0子コメント)
Why the fuck is spacedicks ok when there's a bunch of dead people posted and suicide pictures, but the moment you stand up a ham then suddenly that's unacceptable?
[–]SenatorIncitatus 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2分 前 (0子コメント)
Free speech means the government can't restrict your speech you fucking morons.
[–]TrollingUpAFatty 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2分 前 (0子コメント)
This is the best day of my life.
π Rendered by PID 15084 on app-14 at 2015-06-11 02:39:27.024033+00:00 running bbe7365 country code: JP.
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