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[–]Champion-Red 304ポイント305ポイント  (73子コメント)

I completely agree but the nice thing about reddit is you don't have to see any sub reddit you do not wish to. This isn't to say I support FPH but reddit is often such a great example of diversity and freedom of expression and speech. Banning subs that are not violent or harming anyone just because they're bigoted doesn't fix the issue. As we can see on /r/all, it just creates more.

[–]IggyZ 104ポイント105ポイント  (15子コメント)

The trick is, the APPEAL of Reddit is that, for the most part, ANYONE can see ANY subreddit they like. That means I can have my little community of assholes, and I can show them things that they dislike in a concentrated format, and they can easily mob that object of their dislike.

[–]Champion-Red 34ポイント35ポイント  (13子コメント)

Exactly. As long as you're not forcing it upon others, have whatever dumbass opinion you please. No one has to see something they don't want to. No one is forbidden from saying or showing what they want to (assuming it's legal). That's what makes (or made) reddit great.

[–]malstank 18ポイント19ポイント  (8子コメント)

The problem is that people become the object of their dislike and they go overboard by obsessing about it and eventually it turns to harassment.

[–]Champion-Red 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's true that a group mentality can lead to more extreme actions; however, shouldn't the ones acting out be banned from reddit rather than ending the sub and causing more outrage?

[–]malstank 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

It completely depends on the scope. Let's say you have 20 or 30 people using a crack house. Do you arrest only the 5 or 10 that are there, or do you close down the crack house and try to prevent that from spreading?

[–]Jess_than_three 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

Exactly. As long as you're not forcing it upon others, have whatever dumbass opinion you please. No one has to see something they don't want to. No one is forbidden from saying or showing what they want to (assuming it's legal). That's what makes (or made) reddit great.

They don't stay in their cesspit, and they don't keep their shit to it.

[–]terminal_mole 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem with fph was they were trying to enforce their views upon others. Imgur isn't a part of reddit but they wanted their point of view to be displayed there. When imgur denied them that luxury they went bat shit crazy and started harassing imgur staff. That's unacceptable behavior.

[–]SuperSulf 33ポイント34ポイント  (13子コメント)

Well, when you hit /all, and FPH has a link near the top, they are still being seen.

I think they should have tried a shadowban of sorts from /all, where offending subreddits can still exist if you subscribe but are automatically filtered from /all. See how that goes before outright banning.

[–]bobadole 11ポイント12ポイント  (11子コメント)

No one made you view all, that's the thing. If you are sensitive about what other people think/say/post maybe viewing what everyone in the world thinks is popular isn't for you.

/r/wtf still makes front page posts and has gore, /r/atheism still makes it and is hateful towards religious people.

No one is forcing you to view the content.

[–]478431188447 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree here. /r/all is a representation of the community at large. The only way the content will change is if they drive users away.

If someone doesn't like something that is making it close to the front page, they can downvote it. If many people don't like it, it goes away. The fact that it is on the frontpage is a testament to that fact. The admins removing things that make it to the front page is in violation of the communities wishes if you believe the voting works like a democratic format. There are vote buttons right next to the posts. Since they fudge the numbers, it's difficult to know just how supported these things are, but the fact of the matter is, people support the ideas.

[–]Jess_than_three 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

When reddit is an attractive place for shitty people to share their shittiness and fester and multiply, it always spills into the rest of the site. That was the case here, and has been with other banned subs in the past (as well as currently active subreddits I wish they would ban).

Whether or not these people are hanging out in a subreddit I don't have to see is immaterial to me. But to the extent that the admins sending a message of "we don't want your shit here discourages them from using the site at all, fucking sign me up.

[–]ErnestHemingwhey 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

My favorite part of all this is that the majority of people on fph were a bunch of skinny fat dyel motherfuckers. Like congrats your not morbidly obese, you still look like fucking shit breh.

[–]TacticalTable 13ポイント14ポイント  (9子コメント)

From what I can tell, the community is going to move over to voat more and more, assuming reddit keeps banning their alt subs

[–]TroubadourCeol 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

Welp. Voat better enjoy the brief spike in shitstorm induced popularity as it becomes completely and utterly unapproachable towards casual internetgoers.

[–]vernalagnia 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

All of the worst parts of Reddit in love place. They'll love it.

[–]Tom_HanksIsAnAsshole 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, we aren't. They aren't prepared for the sheer numbers.

[–]Jess_than_three 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

From what I can tell, the community is going to move over to voat more and more, assuming reddit keeps banning their alt subs

Sure fucking hope so!

[–]holland_oates89 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

My underwear of the situation is that Reddit got reports of harassment by FPH members to fat people, so they felt that the sub actually was harming other users emotionally through harassment in the form of private messages, but I can't find the comment about it anymore from Reddit's announcement and I am usually wrong about most things.

Edit: Apparently my phone auto-corrected "understanding" to "underwear" because I talk more about boxers v. briefs than anything intellectual. I'm not going to change it because I want it to become my top comment so I can edit it AGAIN and say something stupid about how my top comment is about underwear.

[–]RecklessRetro 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

My underwear of the situation

[–]Champion-Red 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ah. If that were the case shouldn't the people be reprimanded rather than the sub?

[–]I_will_just_say_it 17ポイント18ポイント  (10子コメント)

I think the reason FPH was banned was because the subscribers would target people outside their subreddit. That's why other offensive subreddits haven't been banned: they're keeping their opinions within the bounds of their subreddit.

[–]bobadole 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

There were rules on the sub to stop brigading, if you want to see true brigading check out /r/shitredditsays they have gotten people fired from their jobs, doxxed multiple people, and brigade other sub's all the time.

So if the admins really wanted to be fair they would hit the subs that were on the other side of the argument and do worse things IRL.

[–]Shiny_Rattata 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

SRS is Reddit's bump in the night.

They haven't been relevant in fucking YEARS.

[–]Farwater 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The common wisdom is that SRS is the worst about brigading, and the common wisdom is easily disproven. Every link on SRS includes the karma of the post at the time it was linked there. You can just look for yourself and see that either SRS does not brigade, or their brigade has little-to-no impact.

But the even more fundamental point is that SRS doesn't have an interest in brigading, because the entire point of their sub is to demonstrate that racism/sexism is wildly popular on Reddit and vastly outnumbers the people at SRS. Brigading would counteract that narrative.

If SRS were such a big brigade, /r/All would not look like it does right now.

[–]Farwater 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Droves of people seem to be in denial about this aspect. If Reddit were really "censoring", then they would delete all the little subs that are even more disgusting than FPH was. But those uber-disgusting subs apparently aren't harassing people (or at least being reported for harassing people), so they get to continue being shit stains on humanity.

In my opinion, all sizable hate subs are prone to inspiring someone to start doxxing/harassing/etc. eventually. Their very existence makes me question why I participate in Reddit at all. If it weren't for a handful of really great communities here, I would have left a long time ago and never looked back.

If Reddit really starts cracking down like the masses on /r/All are going crazy about, and all the hate subs migrate to Voat, I'll be sure to serenade them with the world's tiniest violin. But frankly, I doubt that will even happen. I predict that rampant and unapologetic hatred for innocent fellow humans will continue to find a safe haven here at Reddit for the foreseeable future.

[–]grospoliner 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

As others have said, the administration has yet to provide evidence for their claims. If the situation is as systemic as they wish to lead us to believe, well... extraordinary claims and all that.

[–]STAND_BEHIND_BRAUM 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

FPH placed the names and information of the fat imgur employees in their sidebar. Say what you will, but this is harassment.

[–]friendliest_giant 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There were serious movements against fph by, you guessed it, fat people and sjw' and it looks like the won. If you complain and throw enough tantrums on reddit then people/subs you don't like will be banned!

[–]tehDraziw 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

How was it possible to not see fph sub on /r/all? I don't think its possible to block subreddits from all

[–]_Sagacious_ 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can filter the entire sub via RES. Something I did a while ago and am now having to do for all it's splinter subs.

Although even after doing that they spill out onto other subs quite a bit.

[–]sjwking 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Browser extensions

[–]the_ravenous_red 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can also do it if you have reddit gold I believe.

[–]478431188447 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Perhaps they should add that to the site. Hell, the admins could have simply marked the sub nsfw to protect the kids.

[–]Champion-Red 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's why I personally don't use all unless for some reason I am told to go there. I only browse certain subreddits that interest me.

[–]maybe_little_pinch 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's funny how this comment parallels one made by others. If you don't like something, like fat people, don't look and just move on with your day.

Funny how that advice doesn't actually do anything.

[–]Jurph 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

reddit is often such a great example of diversity and freedom of expression and speech.

FPH wasn't. It was a mean-spirited cesspool and it made the community a worse place. It goaded its small-minded members to behavior intended to belittle people and spread unpleasantness. Not a single post in /r/fatpeoplehate was of overall positive value to the community or to the human race, except as a counterexample, and we've already got plenty of those.

[–]18353839292 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, Reverend, did anyone ever tell you there are two KNOBS on the radio? Two. Knobs. On the radio. Of course, I'm sure the reverend isn't that comfortable with anything that has two knobs on it... But hey, reverend, there are two knobs on the radio! One of them turns the radio OFF, and the other one [slaps his head] CHANGES THE STATION! Imagine that, reverend, you can actually change the station! It's called freedom of choice, and it's one of the principles this country was founded upon. Look it up in the library, reverend, if you have any of them left when you've finished burning all the books.

George Carlin

[–]TAU_equals_2PI 438ポイント439ポイント  (35子コメント)

But in the same way, we can ALL show reddit the door if we don't like their censorship.

[–]DoxBox 81ポイント82ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not sure why this post is being downvoted. That is exactly what you do if a privately owned website is being too happy with the censoring. Whether you think the point where such measures are necessary has been reached, or not, is a different story. But that's literally the only thing you can do if you feel you are being overly censored on a website - stop using it, find an alternative, create an alternative.

I'm still here, so, obviously I don't think that point has been reached.

[–]SpacemanSlob 59ポイント60ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yup.

And if this action offends you, the door is that way

[–]jook11 29ポイント30ポイント  (4子コメント)

It was a shitty subreddit full of shitty people being shitty. I blocked it with RES but it doesn't mean I want it banned, I guess.

I just want my normal reddit experience back. How many whiny posts do people need to make? It's seriously taking up half my front page.

[–]TeamRedundancyTeam 55ポイント56ポイント  (3子コメント)

They say Pao is ruining Reddit with censorship. I'd say the shitposting and circlejerking all over /r/all is ruining it much quicker.

[–]the_pedigree 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

so it's a shitty race to the bottom?

[–]christhetwin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just want to look a funny pis and gifs, talk about game of thrones and sports. I don't want to see all this drama about a sub reddit I learned about today.

[–]thumpas 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly, if you don't like that they banned the fph, the door is right over there.

[–]well_golly 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yes. We can Voat with our feet, so to speak.

[–]Zachums 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't wait for all these pissy teenagers to go to that shitty website.

[–]bashar_al_assad 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

or we can't, because a nominal amount of the traffic reddit gets has resulted in voat being hugged to death.

[–]JPhantom95 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

True, but there once was a time where reddit continually struggled to stay up under heavy traffic. It would go down several times per week or even per day. Eventually the site upgraded enough to withstand the userbase.

[–]Wardenclyffe56 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

rip voat. at least i got to create an account

but it's unvisitable because bad servers. website just got one of its biggest migrations tho, so it's not surprising

[–]LySrgikiD 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

yes, please take the FPH circle jerk somewhere else.. please..

[–]kampfy3 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (7子コメント)

Who is 'we' exactly?

That's the thing - you only see it as censorship, in the way that censorship is bad, when you can see the value of the speech. All of those communities were filled with mouthbreathing, immature assholes. Oh, no, they got censored. Who gives a fuck.

[–]IggyZ 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Who gives a fuck.

People who value the ability of anyone, no matter how shitty their values or morals, to put their views forward.

[–]OneYearSteakDay 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

People who value the ability of anyone, no matter how shitty their values or morals, to put their views forward.

Reddit is a private entity, they are under no requirements to post anyone's views.

If I sent a picture of my junk to the New York times and asked them to print it they would refuse and would be within their right to do so. Does the New York Time's refusal to print a picture of my spectacular manhood mean that they oppose free speech? I don't think so. I wonder how many letters to the editor never make it to the page...

There are still plenty of places to talk about all the different shapes and sizes of people that you hate, go find one of those.

[–]OllieMarmot 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

No-one is removing their ability to put their views forward. They are still free to express those views on the internet and elsewhere. Even on reddit still. As the original post says, Nobody is obligated to allow others to use their platform to spread a message. If someone wants to come to my house and hang a giant banner over my front porch saying "Kill all the fatties", I am not violating their freedom of expression by telling them to fuck off. They can hang it over their own porch. That is essentially what the reddit admins did today.

[–]ZoboCamel 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's a difference between 'views' and 'hatred', though. If the subreddit were along the lines of 'fat people are idiots, they should be doing more to get fit', then... well, I wouldn't always agree with them, but they'd be views, and I wouldn't want them censored. But a lot of what I saw from the subreddit was more like 'fat people are the scum of the earth, let's ridicule and insult them even if they're exercising/dieting etc; they should all just die'. I think that crosses the line from being a dissenting opinion to just being hate speech.

[–]urRidic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

www.4chan.org

it's always been there

FPH continually harassed people and put a a public smear campaign against imgur employees who are just working their 9-5. How would you like a mocking picture of you to go viral just because some douchebags who know nothing about your life feel you deserve it?

imo, FPH was a shitpile, and it's been really enjoyable to watch those dumbasses embarrass themselves all over the front page today.

Because of the FPH posts on the front page everyday, they made me embarrassed to admit I visit this website.

[–]kidamy 37ポイント38ポイント  (23子コメント)

Can someone enlighten me as to what this FPH banning was? I don't even know what FPH stands for.

[–]p-wing 304ポイント305ポイント  (86子コメント)

I love the hover-over text:

defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing that you can say about your position is that it's not literally illegal to express.

[–]______DEADPOOL______ 206ポイント207ポイント  (83子コメント)

You know, the flipside to this argument coin is that you can't cite free speech anymore because it means you're conceding your argument.

For one thing, wrong or not, free speech is the foundation of a good discussion. Silencing or showing someone the door is just closing your ears to dissenting opinion. Legal or not, free speech is a basic requirement to good discussion, which in turn informs people in forming their opinion, by showing the door to dissenting opinion, you're selecting for opinions you agree with. In short, you're just going to be echoing your own personal beliefs.

Like it or not, legal or not, dissenting opinion is needed and must be protected. If only just in case you're on the other side of the argument one day and someone shows you the door.

[–]reddit_newbie_3991 165ポイント166ポイント  (50子コメント)

FPH wasn't banned for being mean or offensive. It was banned for specifically targetting and bullying people.

Someone posted a photo of the weight-loss they experienced due to following /r/keto, and FPH linked to it to mock her for still being fat.

Another person posted a photo in /r/twoxchromosomes of their hand showing her wedding ring because her loving BF had proposed to her; FPH linked to it with a title like "I didn't know hambeasts were legally allowed to marry". They then followed and starting downvoting the poor girl, who was just trying to show what made her happy.

The people who do these sorts of things are just disgusting in general. They offered no discussion, they're not there to debate the finer points of fitness and weight-loss. They're not even looking to be fit (the number of "verified" photos of users who were either skinnyfat or anorexic was staggering).

The people were just there to spread hate, mock and abuse people who are fat. They definitely crossed a line when they started targetting people personally, rather than keeping to their hate-filled sub.

I'm glad they're banned.

[–]Celriot1 1ポイント2ポイント  (19子コメント)

While mean-spirited and juvenile, I don't see how these acts of "harassment" warrant banning. Based on your post (and only your post as I don't care enough to research this), people posted pictures to Reddit on their own accord and they were cross-posted for the purpose of mocking them. Then people followed the source, again on Reddit, and downvoted them. On Reddit.

Downvoting and cross-posting is banworthy harassment now? Can I report you for mocking-the-mockers as skinnyfat based on the pictures THEY submitted, and hold /r/funny accountable if mods don't ban you? If this reply gets 20 gold, can I report the submission to bestof as harassment because I don't like the attention my own content is getting? Newsflash: if you're rolling your eyes at these comparisons, you're a hypocrit.

Again: Mean-spirited, juvenile, and not likely to be missed. That doesn't make it the correct action. Not even close.

[–]OneYearSteakDay 63ポイント64ポイント  (6子コメント)

This is how Reddit defines harassment:

Systematic and/or continued actions to torment or demean someone in a way that would make a reasonable person (1) conclude that reddit is not a safe platform to express their ideas or participate in the conversation, or (2) fear for their safety or the safety of those around them.

Based on what I've read so far the mods of /r/fatpeoplehate fulfilled that definition to a t. Here's a primer on what happened courtesy of /r/OutOfTheLoop .

Let's also remember that Reddit is a private entity, which means that they are well within their rights if they want to ban every single subreddit on the site.

[–]longshot2025 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why should Reddit play host to them though? Just so we can say we allow anything? Communities like /r/progresspics provide support for people, and FPH preys on them. "They're not being bad enough" doesn't seem like much of a case for tolerating their behavior.

[–]chakalakasp 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, they also put photos of all the imgur staff on the side bar after imgur started making sure FPH images did not make their main page. I'm guessing that's the 20 ton oak tree that broke the camel's back.

[–]PM_ME_AMAZING_THINGS 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

This goes beyond simple vote brigading. The mods of r/fatpeoplehate were literally putting the personal information of imgur staff and other people they didn't like in the sidebar and encouraging their community to attack them. The entire sub, the mods of it, and all the people subscribed had gone completely fucking insane and were attacking every single person they could get information of who went against and anyone who is or ever was fat. The sub had become something that was no longer just an bottled up circle jerk to hate on fat people but a gigantic angry hornets nest being abused by the mods to personally assault other innocent people. They fully deserved to get banned, you can only imagine what the personal phone calls and emails someone would get from the 150k+ users of that subreddit.

[–]malstank 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

How about if someone follows every single post you make and calls you a fatass? Replies to every single post in your history calling you names? Is that harassment? It only takes place on reddit. (This is hypothetical, i do not know of any occurences of this)

[–]icantfindagoodlogin 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Then ban the user. Not the subreddit. If a bunch of idiots from /r/funny went off on a rampage, would the logical solution then be to ban this place too?

[–]terminal_mole 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would say yes if the mods were supporting that kind of behavior.

[–]malstank 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

If i post a thread to a hypothetical subreddit that says "Look at this stupid picture i saw on /r/pics". Now, i'm not "linking" to the post in question, so "Brigading" isn't directly happening, but finding that post on /r/pics would take about 20 seconds. From that point, if your entire sub is based on pointing these things out and the vast majority of the subscribers participate, then yes, it should be closed.

That's the thing though, /r/funny isn't a subreddit built on a single targeted hate. It's meant to make people laugh and be happy, Fat People hate's entire existance was to ridicule and mock any individual who did not meet their expectations to what a person should look like.

[–]Ent_Doran 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The difference between him calling the mockers skinnyfat and the mockers actions is targeted aggression. He used what some could deem offensive as a descriptive term (skinnyfat) for a group of faceless and in this instance usernameless individuals. Those mentioned individuals actively sought out people and tried to cause them distress for their own personal empowerment/enjoyment. Reddit needn't be a place for people to cause other people pain. R/fatpeoplehate seemingly turned into a gathering place for hate speech that actively encouraged the mocking and belittling of people. This doesn't need to be an avenue for that.

[–]InfernalAtheistLLama 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It would be lovely then if they would uphold that standard and ban /r/ShitRedditSays wouldn't it? FPH was a bunch of arseholes but that does not diminish the amount of arseholishness being generally proliferated by other boards, boards which I might mention, have not been banned.

This is a slippery slope; FPH may well just be the beginning of a broader campaign by reddit administration to clamp down on the dissenting views in other boards (/r/KotakuInAction is eyeing this incident warily (not that I condone their views either)).

To sum up; regardless of the agree/disagree in this particular case it presents first the issue of a double standard where subs like srs are still active and show no signs of being removed (the official line being that they have ceased the activities for which they were previously notorious, a claim that I have seen little evidence of)m and second it establishes a troubling precedent for other subs with non-mainstream political opinions.

[–]doctorb_gus 32ポイント33ポイント  (5子コメント)

Like it or not, legal or not, dissenting opinion is needed and must be protected.

100% agree. How was /r/fatpeoplehate dissenting opinion? Dissenting against what, anyway? Fat people love? I never had the pleasure of browsing /r/transfags but I'm assuming there was critical and/or constructive discussion about the dangers of trans acceptance?

I'll speak up in support of dissenting opinion even if I think it's repellent but at the moment what's being banned is so far from dissenting opinion that I just can't muster a fuck to give.

[–]LittleBigHorn22 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

/r/fatlogic is a good example of dissenting opinion. They post things (sometimes mockingly) about people's beliefs when it comes to healthy weight. Where as /r/fatpeoplehate simply mocked fat people.

[–]AmazingMarv 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thank you for the best comment I've seen today. /r/fatlogic points out the harmful justifications people use to continue their unhealthy lifestyle. Whereas /r/fatpeoplehate stalked various social media accounts or took creepshots and then posted what they found. It was creepy and disturbing. So that's what /r/fatlogic is around and FPH is not.

But hey, reddit's gonna reddit. Just gotta wait until this blows over.

[–]LittleBigHorn22 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is interesting how this will all turn out. Although I do like the ironic-ness of how FPH is claiming freedom of speech and all, yet if any comment in there had any sort of "fat sympathy" they would ban it.

[–]P47AT 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shame you are being downvoted for saying what most reasonable adults I have ever known would say about this issue. Seems the FPHers are throwing a fit all over Reddit right now.

Like many things people think it's "either or". EITHER allow anything and everything, OR be facists who want to rule the world. Reasonable people behave reasonably and don't really have to deal with this issue much...we have laws and rules because there are always people who can't be counted on to be reasonable themselves but they inevitably cry victim when someone calls them on their shitty behavior..

[–]That_Unknown_Guy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

FPH isnt a dissenting opinion though. There are no arguments there. They arent arguing against ideas but practicing one.

[–]Yeti90 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

So basically what you idiots are saying is, that no matter how dumb or racist or hatefull you have to listen to it for the sake of free speech? This ist just fucked up stupid. Free speech saves you from prosecution by the state and nothing more, and if some idiot is talking bullshit, spreading false facts or talks racism I can say "fuck you" and "gtfo" anytime I want. I don't need to listen to that bullshit. And I can even ban them from my internet platform and it would not be censorship. You 'Muricans and neckbeards should overthink your Idea of limitless freedom, because it cannot exist in this way, freedom has its limitations and it ends where it gets in the way of other peoples rights or dignity.

[–]terminal_mole 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Although reddit is unique in that way because it allows people of similar opinions to just isolate themselves in a corner free of external influence, because people who disagree with them won't wander there or even if they show up they'd be outnumbered. Isn't banning those subs like closing the doors on dark rooms in a building that were being taken over by nefarious elements? Then there is the problem of brigading, and these users can gang up on other users in different subs and downvote opinions that they don't agree with. Just looking for opinions on those issues, not supporting how reddit handled it.

[–]DocMarlowe 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, even if someone disagreed with fph, if they mentioned it, they would be immediately banned. So it wasn't a matter of being outnumbered or whatever, its just that fph didn't like discussion outside the jerk, which makes the whole, "free speech" discussion strange because that subreddit wasn't exactly a bastion of free speech in the first place.

[–]terminal_mole 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If that's what was happening there, that's a very good point I didn't notice yet in other threads, and I have been reading quite a few across the board.

[–]orbjuice 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dissenting opinion is fine, harassment is not fine. I hate human beings generally, because they generally lack the cognitive capacity to contribute meaningfully to society. That statement is okay; everyone innately assumes that I'm not referring to them, but rather other people.

If I were to say that I hate you, OP, and that you lack the cognitive capacity, etc., then I've switched from making generalized statements about a class of people (which is bad) to harassment, wherein I focus on an individual-- and in this case (I mean, in the case of FPH), I proceed to create a pattern of harassment (which is evil).

What we are talking about is crossing a line. These people who created this subreddit were violating other people's rights for their amusement, which is despicable and not dissent.

[–]ibbity 24ポイント25ポイント  (6子コメント)

In fairness, while you're absolutely correct in principle, I don't think anyone in the world actually needs to listen to a bunch of whiny assfaces bitching about how offended they are that fat people dare exist.

[–]doctorb_gus 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

Nor will the bullies suffer for having one less platform to bully.

[–]P47AT 25ポイント26ポイント  (2子コメント)

You wouldn't know it by the tantrum they are throwing all over Reddit today.

[–]doctorb_gus 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

Making fun of people is really serious business, didn't you know?

[–]rabidsi 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because without a platform to hate on others and have the behaviour validated, they'll have to return to their natural state of self-loathing.

[–]Stillhart 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're assuming that the people to whom you're showing the door have an argument. If they're just spewing hate and/or bile, then I don't think you can really count that as a "good discussion".

I think you're arguing way out of context here.

[–]doctorb_gus 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. I'm only commenting because I agree and you're getting downvoted. Bullying isn't dissenting opinion or discussion.

[–]fattict 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

FPH didn't support free speech, yet want to get butt hurt that Reddit "doesn't support free speech." Fuck em.

inb4 "found the fatty"

[–]Farwater 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Silencing or showing someone the door is just closing your ears to dissenting opinion.

I agree with your overall point (as well as p-wing's), but you must admit that not every dissenting opinion deserves an open ear. I have no sorrow for the subs that were deleted today. Any attempt to drape them with the flag of Free Speech is more like putting lipstick on a pig, so to speak (though really, lipstick on a pig would be adorable and what I'm talking about is not at all).

dissenting opinion is needed and must be protected

Protected by whom? The Constitution, sure. But Reddit? Or any other server/community/website? Not necessarily.

[–]Lawtonfogle 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not at all. Assuming the argument actually does apply, it is simply the easiest and quickest argument to use. It is like saying 'killing people is wrong' when trying to explain why killing someone is wrong. You could say 'well he has a loving family who will miss him' or 'he works at a charity that helps others', but there is no need to because there is a simpler argument. It is not implying that the only reason to not kill him is because you shouldn't kill people in general.

[–]landis3 103ポイント104ポイント  (39子コメント)

But I think what people are upset about is that reddit thrives on being a free speech forum accepting all input from all users and now one of those outlets has been closed.

[–]Eckish 16ポイント17ポイント  (30子コメント)

I think the direction of that speech has and should remain important, though.

If I come across a post that says "I hate /u/Eckish", I'd be bummed. I might even be compelled to engage in conversation as to why. However, I would feel far different if I looked in my inbox to find a message that says, "I hate you." That is very directed. Someone isn't passively venting about me or expressing their opinion for others to discuss. They are going out of their way to make sure I feel threatened by their hatred.

And of course, I'm just giving a relatively nice example here.

[–]fsmlogic 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well I don't not hate you...
:)

[–]EFG 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pffft. I get that shit all the time for years from the users of my sub /r/gunners. It's the internet, it's a literal step of disambiguation above not being real, and I couldn't give a fuck less what people direct at my inbox. Doesn't make me feel less safe, or less welcome, just reinforces there are dicks out there and I'm grateful to have the smallest tidbit of self-respect to not give much care what they think of me. You people take this shit way too seriously.

[–]CH3-CH2-OH 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

People are free to say what they want on reddit. That is as true today as it was yesterday. They does not mean that we have to give people a soapbox to stand on while they encourage others to hate.

[–]Mccmangus 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

still maintaining the same level of comedy.

[–]alexmunse 24ポイント25ポイント  (3子コメント)

You HAVE the right to say what you want, nobody ever said you have the right to be heard

[–]MilesGates 38ポイント39ポイント  (25子コメント)

I think people were upset at the fact things like beatingcripples exist while fatpeoplehate is banned.

[–]headzoo 35ポイント36ポイント  (16子コメント)

Just adding my 2 cents.. I've built very large online communities (1+ million members) and have heard these same arguments before. "Why did you delete X's account, and not Y's account, which is much worse? Hypocrisy much?" "Why did you delete X's content, and not Y's content, which is much worse? You're so inconsistent."

The truth in nearly every instance is we didn't even know Y existed. Members seem to think site admins have some kind of crystal ball, and know about everything on their site, and know about everything happening their site. That's impossible when dealing with such a large site and community. Just because some content (or a subreddit) seems really popular and obvious to you, that doesn't mean the admins know it exists.

Seriously.. beatingcripples has 400+ subscribers. Do you think it's even a blip on the admins' radar?

[–]thrway1312 13ポイント14ポイント  (9子コメント)

The other 4 subreddits banned had paltry numbers of subscribers -- I believe one or two were sub-1k.

[–]headzoo 14ポイント15ポイント  (8子コメント)

That doesn't mean shit. That doesn't mean the reddit admins were aware a subreddit like beatingcripples existed until today.

[–]thrway1312 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

That doesn't mean the reddit admins were aware a subreddit like beatingcripples existed until today.

Sure, but there's a very long list of numerous subreddits with sub counts akin to FPH; to claim they went unnoticed would be grasping at straws.

As many have pointed out, I suspect this banning was targeted at FPH and they needed to throw a few extra subs in there to seem fair -- the timing following imgur's ban on FPH content is just too much to be coincidental.

Obligatory: also, the mods are fat.

[–]NotYourLocalCop 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are literally told and given a list of what subs the community doesn't agree with. They could've banned them any time. But instead they went after FPH clones immediately. It's stupid.

[–]QuarterPoundFlounder 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

My wife made a good point that the banned subs make more sense for publicity's sake. If you were not a reddit user, and you saw that they banned cutefemalecorpses (I didn't follow formatting to keep from linking to it), you would be disgusted and never want to touch reddit. I mean, sure they banned it, but it makes it public that it existed at all on reddit. What kind of other horrible things are they hiding? If you instead hear that they are cracking down on fat shaming 'as part of their new policy,' then you're more likely to see it as a positive move. This makes Ellen Pao look great in the public eye, and to board members, while leaving non-users ignorant to some of the seedier parts of the site. Sure the change pisses off current users, but something tells me that Ellen cares less about reddit's current user base and more about the user base she wants to create. Typical corporate politics and social agendas.

[–]Buzzed_Aldrin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the only logical conclusion is that Reddit fully endorses the beating of crippled people since it hasn't bothered to protect them in the same way they did fat people.

[–]RocketMan63 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's such a bullshit argument. Are we saying that free speech isn't an ideal that people should pursue?

[–]Mouthtuom 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This isn't funny, this is sad. Reddit is not Tumblr. I'm not a fan of FPH but I am a fan of free speech and without it reddit is another sjw circle jerk.

[–]Stormkitty 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Found the fatty

[–]Derpsti 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Free Speech" is a universal human value and doesn't have anything to do with the United States 1st Amendment (although that's great), as someone who grew up in the previous Eastern Block all of this shutting down of opinions and restricting speech for "safety" is very familiar.

And it never starts with shutting down any forms of speech that are easy to defend, but gradually builds up to it.

As Noam Chomsky put it:

“Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was Stalin. If you’re really in favor of free speech, then you’re in favor of freedom of speech for precisely the views you despise. Otherwise, you’re not in favor of free speech.”

I don't quite think that 200 people on a Sub called "shitniggerssay" is going to end Western civilization, this kind of speech policing just might given time.

There's two things that I'm pretty sure of:

Anyone who argues against objective journalism is arguing for the right to be able to lie and misrepresent.

Anyone who is against free speech has ulteriour motives.

These are red flags that should immediately start a red warning light blinking in anyone's head about the respective people.

As Alpha Centauri put it so very well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY57ErBkFFE

"Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master."

Good rant about Free Speech BUT...: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTUmhr3Oobw

Interesting long lecture on why it is important to protect Free Speech by Steven Pinker/FIRE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcdFI6Sda0k

A nice legalistic argument about the horseshit arguments being made in order to limit Free Speech in the U.S.: http://popehat.com/2015/05/19/how-to-spot-and-critique-censorship-tropes-in-the-medias-coverage-of-free-speech-controversies/

What personally pisses me off the most is how some clowns claim that "Freedom of Speech" only comes into play when state action is involved.

No it doesn't. What they are talking about is the First Amendment of the U.S.

The concept of "Free Speech" as an ideal has existed as far back as Ancient China and Greece though, long before the U.S. was a thing and before Christ: http://www.environmentalhistory.org/billkovarik/media-law-coms-400/free-speech-in-history/

It is a basic human right and part of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, signed and adopted by most democratic governments across the world: http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people.

Article 19 - Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Only countries like Saudi Arabia, Yemen and the various U.S.S.R. republics didn't sign at the time, mostly because they had ulteriour motives), everyone that is against the concept of "Free Speech" should immediately be suspect of having said ulteriour motives.

These thoughts and regulations also weren't made up when "The Internet" was a thing, someone should push through a law that classifies places like Twitter, Facebook or Reddit as "privately owned public spaces", because what used to be the town squares 30-50 years ago are now for better or worse places like these.

What you are arguing for here is for the rights of a corporation to ban your speech because you don't like what other people are saying, once it is granted it WILL be used against you.

[–]BeerSteak 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes people often make that mistake.

Still others confuse "violation of free speech rights" with "censorship". Only a government entity can violate your First Amendment rights, but anyone in a position of power can censor you.

The question of whether the government can stifle your thoughts is pretty much settled. The question of how much we, as a society, accept censorship is still up in the air.

[–]denreyc 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

But nobody is really being "censored" in general. It's just that /r/fatpeoplehate is gone because they were harassing specific users.

And even if they were banned because of the content, that still doesn't mean we as a society accept censorship. If you were in my yard saying stuff I didn't like, I can make you leave, because it is my yard and you don't have a right to it. I'm not "censoring" you. Same with reddit, they can kick you out, but they aren't stopping you from expressing an opinion. You just can't do it in their space now.

[–]rawdizzle 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

This isn't funny yet it's on the front page of /r/funny. Thank you for reminding my why I stopped coming here.

[–]DeadNny 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit, killing itself softly.

[–]terriblehuman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, the whole situation with the butthurt fatpeoplehaters is hilarious.

[–]mad-lab 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

The thing is, the concept of free speech extends beyond the U.S. Constitution. The First Amendment is just an attempt to codify this concept when it comes to governments. But just because the Constitution only restricts the government, doesn't mean that the philosophical concept of free-speech is restricted to governments as well.

If bookstores across the country decided to stop carrying books written by Democrats (or Republicans), that would not violate the Constitution in any way; and yet those people who believe in the free-speech (as a philosophical, Enlightenment, ideal) would still be opposed to that move.

[–]thefourthhouse 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wow, how did this hit the frontpage? I was starting to think every Redditor was outraged that FPH was banned.

[–]ikescurvy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

All the fph fallout threads/subs are getting banned too. Only reason anything else is making the front page

[–]GamingTheSystem-01 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

In a world where most infrastructure is run by private enterprise, this argument can be used to justify any level of oppression.

[–]fuckfuckmoose 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's surprising how many Americans don't appreciate one of the most fundamental tenets of their constitution, this is a very common mistake.

Anytime I get in an argument about it, in my head I'm always thinking this

As far as the ban goes though, while I don't support idiots who's sole purpose is to spread hate it's pretty obvious to anyone who's been around here awhile that reddit has suffered the same regrettable fate that all internet forums do once they reach a certain size: over-moderation and censorship. In it's early days, reddit was much more of a free-for-all, more 4chan than wikipedia (though much tamer of course). It's funny how it always falls apart at some point though...the very openness and irreverance that builds the community in the first place is eventually moderated and squeezed to death by the thought police. A lot of redditors feel this keenly and it rubs them the wrong way, it's inevitable.

I'll leave you with a final thought. There are a bunch of subreddits I don't like... that I find offensive, disgusting or stupid...I don't read them. Isn't personal choice a beautiful thing?

EDIT: spelling/grammar

[–]wallawalla22 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/funny personally insults my concept of humour multiple times a day. Where's the ban?

[–]TomatoJoe11 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right, but we aren't saying that banning FPH is against our 1st amendment right, we are simply stating that this website is no longer about free speech. It has always been about free speech. Anyone can say whatever they want, but they will also be criticized by the public for what they said/did. Things that are bad are downvoted, things that are great are upvoted. This works fairly well. The problem with all this banning is not that it is against our first amendment rights. We are not interested in a website that will censor what we say.

[–]Tjernobog 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah this would be relevant if subreddits weren't filterable. But since they are.. that would mean you went out of your way to look at something you didn't like.. then you complained.

[–]DirkDieGurke 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shouldn't that apply to the clinically unhealthy bodied people that whined originally?

It does doesn't it? But it's a matter of hypocrisy right?

[–]az2997 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Go to /r/butterbuttbashing if you're looking for another head of the hydra to express your distaste of overweight people!

[–]forever1228 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They shut down FPH and just created 1000 new subreddits dedicated to hating fatties. Good job reddit! this totally worked

[–]THHBBB 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yet we can't show obese people the door, well we can, they just most likely won't fit through it. But we can point to the wall; the wall that will have to be removed so that the crane can lift them out of the building.

[–]halfbluehalfyellow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Free speech is a concept and a legal doctrin, you hams.

[–]18353839292 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, Reverend, did anyone ever tell you there are two KNOBS on the radio? Two. Knobs. On the radio. Of course, I'm sure the reverend isn't that comfortable with anything that has two knobs on it... But hey, reverend, there are two knobs on the radio! One of them turns the radio OFF, and the other one [slaps his head] CHANGES THE STATION! Imagine that, reverend, you can actually change the station! It's called freedom of choice, and it's one of the principles this country was founded upon. Look it up in the library, reverend, if you have any of them left when you've finished burning all the books. George Carlin

[–]Lawtonfogle 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The core ideal behind freedom of speech applies stronger than merely stopping the government. Imagine if your own internet provider banned any pro-LGBT speech. They aren't the government, but it will significantly lower your ability to engage in the critical exchange of ideas that is the reason freedom of speech is such an important concept. (Such a ban would be political suicide these days, but imagine a few decades ago.)

There is the whiteboard in my home that I have full control over what speech is allowed, where freedom of speech doesn't exist as a notion. And there is the government level where it does exist. But does the concept truly not apply at the mega corporation level, even partially?

[–]SkeetMunnay 18ポイント19ポイント  (13子コメント)

The issue of FPH does not involve "free speech" being guaranteed, it's the fact that it seems really, really arbitrary to ban that one particular subreddit.

What made people really angry is the admins then saying "we banned it because harassment, blah blah"

Why can't the admins just man up and say we dont want that shit on our site? If harassment is the issue there is a LOT of subreddits that are far worse - just not as big or even as big in the case of SRS, etc. It's just not being "transparent" like reddit claims to be

[–]SandyBouattick 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is it that the audience thinks you are an asshole, or is your popular sub making bad PR for the company hosting that popular sub?

[–]WINDEX_DRINKER 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except the comic would make more sense if other hateful subreddits got banned as well. Except they're not, there is no transparency, or consistency. That's the problem. Not "free speech."

[–]chafedinksmut 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Okay, Reddit Fact Hating Machine, time to be taught something: You don't get to claim your site is about free speech and then censor shit you don't like.

You may do the former, or the latter, not both, hypocrites. Now go ahead and downvote/whine about the facts/and report me for hurting your feewy feels with meany hurty truth.

[–]Kazooman 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know, I've been here for a couple of years now and I don't remember anyone saying this site is dedicated to free speech.

[–]AN4RCHID 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is such bullshit pedantry. When people use the term "free speech", they are not always talking specifically about the First Amendment of the United States Constitution and all the legal precedents governing its enforcement. There are actually people who value the concept of free speech beyond of this kind of grudging acknowledgement of it's presence in our legislation, believe it or not.

Every single time a would-be censor locks unpopular opinions out of their business/platform, this old chestnut gets trotted out: "well you know they are completely within their legal plip plop blip blurhp..." as if asserting that a corporation is legally allowed to do something means that it is above criticism.

Enjoy it while you're alligned with the popular zeitgeist. Virtually all of our methods of mass communication on the internet are provided by international corporations, and when they decide that they don't like your opinions very much there might not be many people around to stand up for you.

[–]DoxBox 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are there people who seriously say anything about free speech with regards to the banning of that sub?

I mean, you're free to say anything you want. You're not entitled to a platform. The admins could decide to ban /r/funny and /r/randomactsofpizza if they like - it's their platform, they choose what goes on.

The counter to that is, of course, users abandoning a place which restricts speech on their platform to too great a degree.

[–]ImACondom 3ポイント4ポイント  (10子コメント)

But people don't have a problem with /r/coontown?

[–]n00bvin 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course people do, but I don't think I've ever seen it on the front page of All like FPH was. The whole coontown thing is just a strawman argument. I'd say the vast majority would be A-OK with the banning of that stupid sub, and there wouldn't be nearly the pissing and moaning there is now from people who want to hate so badly.

[–]Soltheron 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

People certainly have a problem with that shit sub, too, but the Reddit admins are rather selective with their banning.

They said that they aren't banning ideas so much as behavior, saying that FPH was being actively harassing very frequently.

Also remember that the FPH shit sub had 150,000 assholes subscribing to it.

[–]DoxBox 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

I think if they're banning subs based on brigading and/or harassing, the first stop should be SRS and all of the associated subreddits.

[–]Fidodo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

goad them into harassing you IRL and see what happens?

[–]Buzzed_Aldrin 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Eh, I think you're reaching too far, OP. I haven't seen anybody claiming that anyone's "right to free speech" is being violated - just people saying that Reddit is bullshit.

No need to explain further - my point has been made by others in this thread; basically that Reddit appears to be run by a bunch of hypocrites.

Nobody is saying that Reddit is infringing on anyone's 1st Ammendment rights.

[–]redditex2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

This! yes, exactly. what i would've said if i was smarter.

[–]CuntyMcGiggles 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Me same!

Goddammit.

[–]PounderMcNasty 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Listen here CuntyMcGiggles, you're a fuckin' genius, and don't let anyone tell you differently.

[–]change_four_a_twenty 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Personally, I don't think that the argument should descend into that of legal vs illegal. My stance on the issue is that I, as an American, still do not have means of online communication where I can literally say anything I want to another party, without the threat of a third party intercepting.

Logistically, its not illegal for me to say something hateful on a post on reddit. It is also not illegal for someone else to remove that post, or ban me from future posts.

However, the idea that the internet has grown to be a method of communication with as much significance as spoken communication, I feel as if there should be some defined public grounds for online communication. There's no place on the internet I can speak my mind, and be guaranteed that I will not be blocked or banned.

I guess this is because every social domain that hosts the capability of conversation is privately owned, which has full power to control the speech on their site. My question is, will there ever be a point that the globally revolutionary "Freedom of Speech" concept could be applied to digital speech, which again, is arguably as significant as spoken speech. I'd imagine a "Freedom of Expression" practice would have to be adopted by the people, rather than protected by the respective Government. I'm finally assuming that Ellen Pao is not one of those persons.

TL:DR: Saying that "Freedom of Speech" is only a legal statement is just as dubious as what this XKCD comic implies. Regardless of legality, should we have the Freedom of Expression?

[–]SaltCollector 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, as you can see no one is attempting to sue reddit for infringement of rights.

So no one gives a fuck about this comic.

[–]KurayamiShikaku 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit was billed as a free speech platform.

Yishan Wong [previous Reddit CEO] told the site's moderators legal content should not be removed, even if "we find it odious or if we personally condemn it". "We stand for free speech... we are not going to ban distasteful subreddits." source

People aren't claiming that their rights are being violated. We're pissed because reddit has done an about-face, and has a new policy that is in stark contrast to the one that drew many of us here in the first place.

Instead of the freedom to say what we want on here, now we're subjected to the arbitrary banning and removal of whatever it is the admins see fit, for whatever reason they see fit.

Whether or not I like the subreddits that are being removed is irrelevant. As it so happens, I don't like many of them. However, I dislike reddit's new policy to enforce stricter censoring on this site more than I dislike the mere existence of these subreddits.

This isn't Tumblr. I don't come here so that everyone can pat themselves on the back and create some imaginary, make-believe, internet utopia patrolled by SJWs. The reddit admins are systematically changing how this site works, and they're changing it for the worse.

It's not illegal for Reddit to refuse to host things it doesn't like. It just significantly reduces the appeal of the site in general. Like others have said - if we don't like it, we can leave. I'm hoping that most of the community does just that, and we find a place that functions similarly, but with the same beliefs and principles that Reddit use to have.

[–]Donguitarguy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember seeing a post on a gaming forum years ago about banning people in a CoD game for obscene clan tags or whatever. When I asked why it was such a big deal that they are being banned when it was in the rules, they equated it to nazi Germany.

[–]scumbag-reddit 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Where were you when reddit was kill

[–]on_by 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What people object to is not that absolute free speech does not exist on reddit, but that a site has reversed its own credo on the subject, while hypocritically applying its own definition of it, all to further an exclusive agenda, in the name of inclusiveness.

[–]Ent_Doran 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And yet, this is the unpopular opinion today, coming from one of the most popular and widely read web comics. It's honestly a shame that we as a community are reacting to this the way we are.

[–]MrDeadfisch 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem isn't censorship. The problem is censorship while saying "we stand for not censoring".

[–]F4rsight 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just state we don't have a bill of rights here in Australia.

[–]rKade 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

why and how is this funny?

[–]lecherous_hump -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Go fuck yourself, OP. Reddit is supposed to be the place that's free of censorship.

[–]Dame_Juden_Dench 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Free speech is a concept that exists outside of the first amendment. Anyone who attempts to argue that it is nothing more than limiting the government's ability to punish you for speech, is using the same logic that enables lynch mobs.

[–]thelandofdreams -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a site built on USER content and the USERS have the right to decide what stays and what goes.

Like how I'm downvoting the hell out of this right now. fuck out of here with this. xkcd is garbage anyway.

[–]LordBroughton 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

And it was foretold that no subreddit could escape the shitstorm after /r/fatpeoplehate was closed down. Get your popcorn guys this'll be a long one