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[–]SilvanestitheErudite 4463ポイント4464ポイント x2 (942子コメント)

Is there going to be transparency as to how subreddits are determined to be harrasing?

[–]Herp_McDerp 3622ポイント3623ポイント x2 (280子コメント)

Whichever group is the loudest will get their way

[–]WEIGHED 1267ポイント1268ポイント  (101子コメント)

Too bad the girls over in /r/CuteFemaleCorpses can't shout as loud as fat people...

[–]electricdwarf 25ポイント26ポイント  (2子コメント)

I regret going there... I really really really regret clicking on that link /u/WIEGHED

[–]80lbsdown 976ポイント977ポイント  (66子コメント)

There is a subreddit called /r/SlutJustice that just links to various /r/relationships posts and encourages brigading of users they decide are "slutty." I'm all for stopping harassment, but let's not pretend that /r/fatpeoplehate is the worst of reddit.

Edit: Here is a link to a thread where a woman attempts to defend herself after her post gets brigaded by people declaring her a slut.

[–]youareinthematrix 2688ポイント2689ポイント  (350子コメント)

I predict this isn't going to go down well.

[–]cardevitoraphicticia 2535ポイント2536ポイント x3 (310子コメント)

I think people will look back on this as the beginning of the end for Reddit. I remember when Digg went down this road - it was about 5 minutes before I first created a Reddit account.

EDIT: Don't fucking buy gold on this website, morons.

[–]LambdaZero 870ポイント871ポイント  (187子コメント)

A lot of FPH users are moving to https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate right now. So much that the site went down for a few minutes under the load (and is actually still really slow).

Edit: we are still killing voat, sadly

[–]Natetendo83 365ポイント366ポイント  (9子コメント)

Such much that the site went down for a few minutes under the load

Perfect phrasing considering the situation.

[–]ithrowawayi 76ポイント77ポイント  (5子コメント)

The owner of voat is a recent post-secondary grad running the site in his spare time.

I think its about to become his new full time job and he has no idea.

[–]FutureNips 382ポイント383ポイント  (1子コメント)

FatPeopleHate is under heavy load.

We apologize for the weight.

[–]Raysharp 694ポイント695ポイント  (70子コメント)

For everyone who is wondering, these are the banned subreddits.

/r/fatpeoplehate(150k+)

/r/hamplanethatred (3071)

/r/transfags (149)

/r/neofag (1239)

/r/shitniggerssay (219)

credit to /u/ekjp

Edit: added fatpeoplehate. Thanks /u/The_White_Baron, I didn't think to originally. Good call.

edit 2: I only posted this because at the time (about ten minutes after original post) they didn't have the link to the list on the post. Feel free to ignore as this is no longer relevant.

[–]oodni 189ポイント190ポイント  (43子コメント)

Went to click on neofag to see what it was about. 404'd then doh'd. Ofcourse it wont work. Lol

[–]2birds1bone 115ポイント116ポイント  (41子コメント)

It was a sub dedicated to making fun of members of a gaming forum called NeoGAF.

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[–]shinydragonite 639ポイント640ポイント  (6子コメント)

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[–]Georgy_K_Zhukov 75ポイント76ポイント  (4子コメント)

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[–]Dillstroyer 49ポイント50ポイント  (13子コメント)

Jesus Christ, this is going down in Reddit history.

[–]xXNuclearTacoXx 69ポイント70ポイント  (1子コメント)

Turn on your adblock and stop buying gold.

[–]Emazinng 3783ポイント3784ポイント x6 (197子コメント)

Yishan Wong, the site's former CEO, has stated that "We stand for free speech. This means we are not going to ban distasteful subreddits. We will not ban legal content even if we find it odious or if we personally condemn it."

So much for that

[–]MooD2 3325ポイント3326ポイント  (82子コメント)

Ellen Pao, the site's current CEO, has stated that "My feels, I can't even"

[–]iwishiwasamoose 626ポイント627ポイント  (20子コメント)

Well, actually, Ellen Pao did say

It's not our site's goal to be a completely free-speech platform. We want to be a safe platform and we want to be a platform that also protects privacy at the same time.

Source.

Interesting statement to compare to Yishan Wong's quote.

[–]KingGeb21 933ポイント934ポイント  (19子コメント)

The CEO changed, so now its a "Screw everyone who doesn't say the same thing that I do" Speech policy.

[–]CuilRunnings 473ポイント474ポイント  (12子コメント)

Actually she's only confirmed to have screwed people at her last place of employment. That thing with Yishan is just a rumor.

[–]flossdaily 1647ポイント1648ポイント x2 (90子コメント)

This was an incredibly bad business decision for the following reason:

When you were not banning any subreddits, you could make the legal claim that you were an open, public forum, and that you were not liable for any defamatory or inciting posts on the site.

Now, you've taken the step of actively censoring content. Therefore it can argued that ANY significant subreddit that you haven't banned is operating with your knowledge, approval, and cooperation.

So you shut down a subreddit that hates on fat people, but you left up the overtly racist subreddits that made national headlines several months ago?

Mashable, Gawker, Salon, Dailykos, The Independent, etc... are all major publications that over a span of months have called out reddit for allowing racist subreddits to thrive. Their arguments were all moot until today.

This policy would have been a huge legal misstep even if handled appropriately. But this sloppy execution makes the responsible administrators look embarrassingly ignorant or incompetent at best, and overtly racist at worst.

[–]cynoclast 66ポイント67ポイント  (10子コメント)

This was an incredibly stupid business decision for the following reason:

Well, she has a history of those:

“We come up with an offer that we think is fair,” Pao said. “If you want more equity, we’ll let you swap a little bit of your cash salary for equity, but we aren’t going to reward people who are better negotiators with more compensation.”

[–]ExplodingJesus 1083ポイント1084ポイント  (49子コメント)

This is a hole with no bottom. Admins will now be fielding non-stop requests from person "x" because sub "y" offended them somehow and they will try to spin it as harassment.

Example: every person ITT asking what about this or that sub.

[–]newtothelyte 137ポイント138ポイント  (10子コメント)

Silly admins. Don't you understand your userbase?

You really think you're going to stop those people from having their sub? Now you've turned them against you and you've pissed them off. Now they will stop at nothing to have their message heard. There are now over 10 subs dedicated to fat people hate

[–]ttifiblog 712ポイント713ポイント  (24子コメント)

It was just a matter of time, wasn't it? I can't say I liked any of the 5 banned subs, but seems like freedom of expression shouldn't be banned.

What's next? /r/news gets banned for pointing out how the CEO is blackmailing her old company to pay for her husband's ponzi scheme debts?

[–]Rebootkid 1045ポイント1046ポイント  (78子コメント)

As much as I dislike the content in FPH, I dislike censorship MUCH more.

FPH was supposedly banned for violating the reddit rule of "Keeping everyone safe." That rule says, "You agree to not intentionally jeopardize the health and safety of others or yourself."

You're going to need to explain exactly how they were violating that rule, because I saw none of it happening.

The people who were discussed are jeopardizing their own health and safety.

This is censorship plain and simple.

[–]upboatsallaround 148ポイント149ポイント  (2子コメント)

"You agree to not intentionally jeopardize the health and safety of others or yourself."

Sounds like they should ban /r/HAES or /r/thinspo if that's their true goal.

[–]Moudy90 66ポイント67ポイント  (0子コメント)

Absolutely and they made Damn sure that any, any little identifying info was removed from posts.

[–]frankenmine 2397ポイント2398ポイント  (135子コメント)

/r/ShitRedditSays has brigaded and harassed subreddits for as long as it's existed.

Its slogan is Bring Reddit Down, for fuck's sake.

Why haven't you banned it yet?

[–]altshiftM 162ポイント163ポイント  (8子コメント)

Arent some former admins now moderators there? If so, then that would explain a few things.

[–]akatherder 25ポイント26ポイント  (6子コメント)

Top post right now implies they had a hand in bombing FPH so of course they won't be banned.

"[META] The cabal scores a major victory as FatPeopleHate and other harassing subs are banned!"

http://np.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/39bqyc/meta_the_cabal_scores_a_major_victory_as/

[–]caribou16 351ポイント352ポイント x3 (16子コメント)

Just canceled my reoccurring gold membership.

[–]CrackheadControl 3862ポイント3863ポイント  (1190子コメント)

Why is /r/fatpeoplehate banned, but /r/coontown get to exist? That's bullshit.

[–]tichondrius 1823ポイント1824ポイント  (132子コメント)

Because making fun of fat people is worse than racism, I guess.

[–]FrankFeTched 805ポイント806ポイント  (27子コメント)

Well I mean it makes sense because those stupid black people that choose their race are just not hardworking nor motivated enough to change it for the better.

Some people are just born fat, how are they supposed to help it?

[–]The_Wizard_Of_Wang 4742ポイント4743ポイント x9 (250子コメント)

Because the admins are fat, not black.

Edit: Buying me gold just pays the admins salary.

[–]BoneWarrior 2625ポイント2626ポイント  (191子コメント)

Some of them are women. It pains me that fellow women are more concerned about some people calling them fat (when they are) over some people wanting to rape them.

/r/rapingwomen is still up

[–]Rossboss87 1245ポイント1246ポイント  (31子コメント)

Seriously disgusting. Fucking r/beatingwomen too.

Racism = OK

Sexism and And sexual violence = OK

Hate for fat people: BANNED!

Fucking reddit...

[–]ThealcoholicGoat 881ポイント882ポイント  (179子コメント)

Holy shit I haven't even heard of /r/coontown before. How is that not banned? Looks worse than FTP from those 5 minutes I browsed it.

[–]CrackheadControl 820ポイント821ポイント  (142子コメント)

There are tons of racist and misogynistic out there worse than FPH. Ever hear of /r/RapingWomen?

[–]matike 570ポイント571ポイント  (50子コメント)

Yeah, /r/beatingwomen got banned, why the fuck is /r/rapingwomen still up? I'm not about censorship at all, but come on.

[–]CrackheadControl 390ポイント391ポイント  (26子コメント)

/r/beatingwomen2 exists in its place

[–]matike 174ポイント175ポイント  (14子コメント)

Oh, great.

[–]twoscoop 125ポイント126ポイント  (11子コメント)

Banning subs is a un win-able war. It is like trying to stop people from eating a burrito in a car without using your hands on the wheel, people are still going to eat that fucking burrito.

source: Holy shit, i've seen at least 5 people this week eating a burrito going up my street.

I get ham burgers, sandwiches, apples, a fucking burrito... The burritos are bigger than their heads.

[–]SmokeyPeanutRic 312ポイント313ポイント  (50子コメント)

Can't forget /r/cutefemalecorpses

[–]MonkeyCube 84ポイント85ポイント  (7子コメント)

I misread that as 'cute female cops' and clicked on it.

Now that link is purple. Regrets, there are many.

[–]hyperfat 145ポイント146ポイント  (23子コメント)

Yeah, pics of cute dead girls and the other one i think pics of dead kids are still up.

Oh and I am pretty sure painal is still up too. Do not click random pages.

[–]conspiracy_thug 1267ポイント1268ポイント  (107子コメント)

How about /r/shitredditsays?

They actively and openly attack redditors who they disagree with.

[–]BlueLinchpin 733ポイント734ポイント  (10子コメント)

You guys are a joke.

[–]kaztrator 38ポイント39ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey, that's harassment! You better stop or /r/announcements will get banned!

[–]RTE2FM 1198ポイント1199ポイント  (103子コメント)

[–]remzem 199ポイント200ポイント  (27子コメント)

Looks like their traffic increased so much after this announcement that their site is down hah

[–]6ThirtyFeb7th2036 155ポイント156ポイント  (22子コメント)

Exactly what happened to Reddit after Digg changed their business model to "utter shit".

[–]well_golly 52ポイント53ポイント  (8子コメント)

Damn. Ellen Pao will be remembered for the collapse of Reddit, and she won't even score any points for originality because it's all been done before.

Which brings me to the real question: Will Ellen Pao even be remembered at all?

[–]Stalked_Like_Corn 2526ポイント2527ポイント x2 (164子コメント)

As a fat person who absolutely detests /r/fatpeoplehate to the core. This is bullshit. I've rarely seen them mentioned out in the wild so to speak and they kept it in their subreddit. The way I avoided being targeted by their subreddit was I stayed the fuck out if which is the whole point of the unsubscribe button. To NOT see things I don't want to see.

This is nothing more than just systematic reduction on edgy subreddits yet again. What i'm shocked about is that it wasn't because of bad media attention like jailbait, creepshots, and thefappening. I hate that subreddit but I stayed the fuck out of it. THat's the POINT of Reddit.

What's funny more is that creepshots is STILL back and NOTHING has been done to them to take it down because, you don't fucking care. Plain and simple, you don't fucking care. I was upset when you took down jailbait and creepshots though I didn't go into them. The fappening I never went into but I didn't like that being taken down either. Now this? Keep on Reddit admins. Keep on keeping on because You can ask Digg and Co. what happens when you push a userbase too far.

Meanwhile /r/shitredditsays keeps chugging along despite openly FLOUNTING* the rules of vote briggading. They bite their thumbs at you sir. Yet you continue to let it go on. Why?

Edit* Fixed typo. Thanks /u/rocketman0739!

[–]stolivodka_ 551ポイント552ポイント  (9子コメント)

Meanwhile /r/shitredditsays keeps chugging along

Probably because all of the admins are subscribers.

[–]ExplodingJesus 117ポイント118ポイント  (1子コメント)

They bite their thumbs at you sir.

This is like the first thing in this thread to not make me mad haha

[–]n1b0t 49ポイント50ポイント  (2子コメント)

yup, now they've banned the subreddit...which contained all of the hatred. Released a rabid dog into the wild, GJ admins.

[–]evancam 44ポイント45ポイント  (0子コメント)

/u/ekjp - if the Reddit community raises the money you need to pay your husbands' legal settlements resulting from his fraudulent financial activities, will you resign and leave us alone?

Edit: I did actually go to college and take at least one English/writing class. Edit 2: I'm leaving it, messing up 'took' in this context makes me laugh.

[–]jwshyy 952ポイント953ポイント  (17子コメント)

By the same vein, /r/ShitRedditSays should be banned too

[–]Ichigowins 250ポイント251ポイント  (2子コメント)

Do you really think Ellen Pao would ruin the sub of the only people who support her?

[–]serialstitcher 516ポイント517ポイント  (21子コメント)

There is a zero percent chance you will ban /r/ShitRedditSays and they are infamous for vote brigading, nasty PMs and various other forms of harassment, up to and including getting people fired from their jobs for perceived transgressions against various minorities.

Fuck this policy. I was not a huge fan of fatpeoplehate, but I had never heard a single thing about them extending their reach outside of their own subreddit to harass people

What does "safe space" even mean? Please define that term so the community can have a real discussion about it instead of using it as a bullshit vague coverall for anything that hurts peoples feelings.

Does it mean that if somebody accidentally clicks on a "mean" subreddit their fee fees are so triggered that they must remain on the page and suffer?

[–]nixonrichard 2133ポイント2134ポイント  (115子コメント)

Does Mitt Romney count as an individual? Because if you're going to go down this dark path, you have a LOT of subreddits to ban.

Mitt Romney got harassed worse than anyone I've ever seen on Reddit, far worse than any fat person being harassed by /r/fatpeoplehate (which they didn't actually do).

What you're doing is setting a precedent which cannot possibly be enforced except by the caprice of Admins . . . and I think that's EXACTLY what you want.

If the subreddit was "/r/WBC_Hate" there's no way you would have banned it. You're making a choice that you care more about fat people as a group than members of the WBC (or any other group that is widely hated) and by Administrators making a personal choice as to what is supported and what is not, you're doing far more risk to Reddit than you could possibly remove by banning /r/fatpeoplehate.

I hope you realize what you're doing. I don't think you do.

[–]AmericanPsychonaut 552ポイント553ポイント  (14子コメント)

You hit the nail on the head. This is totally arbitrary and now admins have to ban subreddits that agree with the reddit community's views or they lose users. One problem, the community is so large and diverse that there is no consensus on what should stay or go. Every subreddit they deem is engaging in 'harassment' loses them a percentage of users.

In a less PC way of saying this, I think they're total pussies for doing this and are bending over to external pressure from advertisers. Limp dick admins.

[–]KnightKrawler 241ポイント242ポイント  (30子コメント)

FPH got banned because it kept hitting the front page, is my assumption.

[–]imclone 237ポイント238ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's almost like a lot of the reddit userbase liked the content

[–]taws34 330ポイント331ポイント  (11子コメント)

Funny, though, how the up and down vote buttons work... It was like more people agreed with the content than disagreed with it..

Weird.

[–]AbioticFountain 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

if that's the reason, then what about the other four subreddits? are they so much worse than the aforementioned subreddits that they absolutely must be removed? I'm not that upset over them banning subs, it makes sense from a business view, but it's the bullshit "hugbox" that pisses me off.

[–]biznatch11 44ポイント45ポイント  (1子コメント)

They're probably just a smoke screen so the admins can claim they're not specifically targeting r/fatpeoplehate.

[–]MrTwoJobs 33ポイント34ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think this makes it easier for them to stop any Ellen Pao related subreddits in the future.

[–]njbrooks 763ポイント764ポイント  (65子コメント)

This is a horrible and not very well though out idea, here's why.

Use /r/fatpeoplehate as example. Room full of people, door is locked, door says "Room to discuss distaste for obese people". Obviously nobody who is obese would enter that room, right? Everyone in this room loves to rail and make fun of fat people. This is good, because everyone who is fat on the outside of the room can't hear or see what they're doing. You guys over at reddit HQ say "hm, maybe we shouldn't keep all those people in the same room, talking about negative things". You say "ok!" and unlock the door and tell everyone "sorry you can't hang out in this room anymore, but you can go to any of the other rooms"

People from /r/fatpeoplehate room proceed to harass and project distaste for obese people in other rooms and in an uncontrolled manner since there is no place to talk about this without repercussion. In the end nobody is happy.

My point is, people have opinions that will offend others, but we can control the chaos by letting these people discuss those offensive opinions in a controlled environment.

Edit: Okay, the door isn't "locked". I get the hatred spread even with the subreddit open. But I do not think removing the subreddit will solve anything. This goes for all the banned subreddits, not just FPH

[–]digitalpizza 1869ポイント1870ポイント  (121子コメント)

How us /r/fatpeoplehate any different from /r/cringe or /r/CringeAnarchy/? They ridicule people just as much. Should ban those too if you're gonna ban fatpeoplehate

[–]CryEagle 599ポイント600ポイント  (14子コメント)

FPH took blocking personal information much more seriously than /r/cringe

[–]FilmMakingShitlord 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

Because they knew they were going to get banned for the stupidest thing, so they did everything they could to try to prevent it.

[–]DrZack 39ポイント40ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Front page of the internet" campaigning against internet censorship while simultaneously banning subreddits that offend you. SHAME ON YOU. If you find a subreddit offensive, don't go on it. I didn't like the subreddit, but that's no reason to ban it.

Thought about buying gold/turning off adblock to support reddit but no more. I vote with my $$ and reddit does not get my vote. Honestly, fuck you mods

EDIT: And don't buy me fucking gold and make sure to turn on adblock.

[–]muhtriggurs 1139ポイント1140ポイント  (43子コメント)

Go fuck yourself Pao.

I've never seen a sub with a mod team more deeply dedicated to containing content to within the sub, preventing brigading and removing identifying information.

SRS pays it lip service, served up with a side dish of tee hee we put that rule on the sidebar so we're covered.

Ban SRS and coontown or your action today is seen as exactly what it is: fuck all to do with harassment and pandering to a specific group.

I ain't holdin' my breath.

Edit: please don't gild me again. These fuckers at Reddit don't deserve one more fucking red cent. Take that cash and give it to a homeless person, a charity, or someone in need, k? :)

[–]really_cool_name 1354ポイント1355ポイント  (29子コメント)

Today we are removing five subreddits that break our reddit rules based on their harassment of individuals.

Doesn't that mean you have to ban r/shitredditsays ?

[–]KRosen333 628ポイント629ポイント  (17子コメント)

Doesn't that mean you have to ban

No why would it mean they have to be consistent?

Besides /r/AgainstMensRights is far far worse than SRS is anyways.

[–]AustNerevar 130ポイント131ポイント  (5子コメント)

/r/neofag was a non-brigading, non-harassment sub that focused on the anti-GamerGate site Neogaf. It had absolutely no reason to be banned, yet garbage like shitredditsays and subredditdrama remain.

I'm getting so sick of this biased, safe-space bullshit. I have no sympathy for the users of /r/fatpeoplehate, but I don't believe in censorship. You guys aren't even trying to hide it now...if you go to the FPH subreddit, it says it's been removed to "keep people safe". I can assure you that no subreddit has ever made me feel unsafe, even when I've people pestering me inbox messages I didn't want.

What happened to the Reddit that supported the blacklisting of SOPA? I guess you guys sold out.

www.voat.co

[–]nsto 2321ポイント2322ポイント  (1271子コメント)

Did /r/fatpeoplehate actually harass people outside of the subreddit?

[–]jjness 36ポイント37ポイント  (0子コメント)

Look, they've removed this announcement post from the front page now, so there's less of a backlash! Reddit's batting 1000 today!

[–]dfsac85 276ポイント277ポイント  (42子コメント)

I am glad you guys didn't delete /r/fuckolly . Because seriously, fuck that kid.

[–]fivemanship 45ポイント46ポイント  (34子コメント)

Can anybody explain why nobody likes olly? I'm not saying I like olly, per se, but the only reason I can see people not liking him is because he shot Jon Snow's gf with an arrow, but he really didn't know any better -- he's just a kid stuck in a crazy war. Why fuckolly and not fuckramsay or fuckcersei??

EDIT: For everyone telling me "Wait til next episode" how can you possibly know if he wasn't a character in the book????!!?

[–]SharMarali 30ポイント31ポイント  (2子コメント)

There's now a r/fuckstannis if that makes you feel any better.

But the main reason for the Olly hate is that he's a show-only character with very little development who seems to exist only to eye-hate-fuck Jon.

[–]Adjal 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why fuckolly and not fuckramsay or fuckcersei??

I'd fuck Cersei, but we're not related.

[–]pm_me_things_you_lov 556ポイント557ポイント  (56子コメント)

List of subreddits on the chopping block:

/r/fatpeoplehate,

/r/hamplanethatred,

/r/transfags,

/r/neofag,

/r/shitniggerssay

What about /r/coontown though? It's just straight up racism on /new all day long.

[–]TinyEarl 369ポイント370ポイント  (18子コメント)

> we're banning behavior

> shitredditsays not banned

hmmmmmmmmm

[–]thezoomaster 146ポイント147ポイント  (6子コメント)

For a website that's boasts about internet freedom and privacy so often, I'm fucking disgusted at this thinly veiled, blatant censorship. What the fuck? What happened to freedom of speech? You don't have to agree with /r/fatpeoplehate, but no one was shoving it down your throats. I'm fucking disappointed in you, admins.

[–]BrettKU 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aaron Swartz is rolling over in his grave at this censorship.

[–]HawkeyeTransfer 1566ポイント1567ポイント  (248子コメント)

$10 says a new fatpeoplehate subreddit will be up and running within 24 hours.

edit 1: The fat hatred will rise again!

Also, if you're going after harassing subreddits Admins, look no further than /r/subredditdrama and /r/shitredditsays. It would be a real shame if people started downvoting shit and disrupting those subreddits in protest right now.

edit 2: I will update my list of new FPH subs as people let know about them.

edit 3: /r/fatpeoplehate2 's only mod was banned. Someone go /r/redditrequest that shit.

edit 4: I filed a complaint using modmail against 3 subreddits:

  1. /r/subredditdrama

  2. /r/shitredditsays

  3. /r/bestof

Although I don't have anything personally against /r/bestof, it does seem like it violates reddit's harassment policy.

edit 5: In case I get banned, it's been an honor my fellow shitlords.

[–]beetnemesis 114ポイント115ポイント  (9子コメント)

This seems kind of silly. By all means, ban any users who are harassing, shut down any specific posts that are encouraging doxxing, brigading, or whatever. But if they want to bitch about overweight people in their walled off area, who cares?

[–]turroflux 1947ポイント1948ポイント x2 (155子コメント)

So /r/BeatingCripples - /r/sexyabortions - /r/StruggleFucking continue to exist but a sub that mocks fat people is crossing the line?

Right.

Edit: Yes yes, /r/StruggleFucking is just rape fantasy, try /r/RapingWomen if you want real disgust. Jesus.

[–]kithrown 904ポイント905ポイント  (42子コメント)

Whats wrong with /r/struggleFucking?

Rape fetishes are extremely common, and all of the content posted there is porn. Nobody there will condone actual rape, it's just a fantasy.

Also, that subreddit is like 50% female. They have done multiple polls and it's always surprising (to me at least) how many of the subscribers are female!

[–]chlorinedog 67ポイント68ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is what's wrong. People like /u/turroflux calling for the banning of subs they don't even understand.

[–]ApplicableSongLyric 91ポイント92ポイント  (7子コメント)

StruggleFucking doesn't contain actual rape, and instead revolves around content generated that is essentially play-acting.

So what's the problem?

[–]kareesmoon 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[–]BitchesGetStitches 62ポイント63ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is censorship, Reddit. There is no other word for it. The only way that /r/fatpeoplehate is harassment is if the people who are predisposed to being offended by it go out of their way to visit.

The right to speech is the right to offend. This is how a forum dies.

[–]Cashews4U 87ポイント88ポイント  (0子コメント)

Literally one of the first rules of fatpeoplehate is "no linking to other subreddits." That sub keeps to its own and discourages and actively prevents brigading and any hint of attacking those from outside that sub. What stays in FPH stays in FPH. Total bullshit. But by all means lets keep the subs that are sexist, racist, downright disgusting and disturbing, ignorant, and so on. Nice job shitting the bed, admins.

[–]austin101123 60ポイント61ポイント  (5子コメント)

Was fatpeoplehate invading other places, or was it contained?

It seems as though /r/greatapes still exists.

What made fatpeoplehate considered harassing vs. greatapes? What is the qualification for being considered harassing? I hope for more transparency on this.

[–]ultraRightWing 171ポイント172ポイント  (8子コメント)

Guess it is time for everyone to move to voat.co.

[–]icantbelieveiclicked 126ポイント127ポイント  (1子コメント)

im fat... and the only thing i can think of is fuck you.. shit people are entitled to their opinion and if you dont like fatpeoplehate then dont fucking go there..

fat people hate i totally give you credit for getting me back to the gym after 4 years and about 20 uneaten cookies

[–]PourJarsInReservoirs 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not interested in any of the subreddits you banned but holy shit is this a poor decision. I agree it could very well be one of those times you look back as a marker of when your user base started to doubt and then abandon you.

[–]Robert_T_Pooner 187ポイント188ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is really a troubling step IMO. The fact that only one of the banned subreddits was named, and the statement referring to adding people to "manage community issues", I am getting the signal that reddit is going to become much more restrictive in the future. I agree that direct targeting of individuals is not something that reddit should facilitate, but I get the impression that the reddit admins are going to become more and more "hands on" in terms of censorship. I'm afraid that the open internet I grew up with is not going to survive the coming decade. Perhaps I'm just being overly sensitive. I hope so.

[–]heyitsfred 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

The one that gets me is /r/neoFAG, yes, the name has an epithet, but other than that, they were just highlighting SJW posts on an external gaming forum. There are far worse subreddits in regards to harassment which are immune to this, especially within Reddit itself. Was this a test to see if they could get away with nuking /r/KotakuInAction and /r/TumblrInAction?

[–]Gloman42 469ポイント470ポイント  (34子コメント)

but subreddits with pictures of cute dead girls is ok...

[–]Kolisk 135ポイント136ポイント  (10子コメント)

This isn't an attempt to stop harrasment, this is Reddit admins paving the way for censoring anything they deem worthy.

This is bullshit, the point of having an avenue for conversation is that you can see the view of all sides of an argument. But now one side of the argument is subject to being completely silenced.

[–]KingOCarrotFlowers 55ポイント56ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you're so concerned with preventing harassment that you're banning subreddits, you're either going to need to be seriously transparent with the rules ("these activities are okay" vs "these activities are not") or you're going to have to recognize that this is just going to end up as a popularity contest.

We've established that /r/fatpeoplehate is wrong--what if I made a subreddit that filled the exact same function, but against white people? Thin people? The LGBT community? Straight people?

What about /r/tumblrinaction, which is essentially hater hate?

Or /r/facepalm, which is "people on my facebook feed who are acting stupid" hate?

You have indicated that you're not okay with harassing subreddits, but you have failed to provide even the most vague definition of a harassing subreddit.

[–]ninjapro 326ポイント327ポイント x2 (9子コメント)

Woah. /r/fatpeoplehate (FPH) was actually banned. This seems like a crazy knee-jerk reaction.

While FPH may have been relatively circlejerky and superficially vicious, it was a subreddit where people would go expressly to vent. Very rarely would personal information be included or anyone targeted and when that does happen, generally the mods were fantastic at shooing off the post. (as a side note: the mods on FPH were some of the most active and fair mods that I had seen in a subreddit that large). FPH certainly seems far too vicious at first glance, but their bark is far, far worse than their bite.

Larger subreddits, I'll use /r/atheism as an example, have had far more targeted threads and nobody really bats an eye at that. At first glance, the top thread in /r/atheism is about a couple, who are named and pictured in the linked article, threatening to divorce if gay marriage is passed.

This is a direct, identifying piece of information. Yet, nobody's calling witchhunting, though when someone inevidently does, it's generally defended because "/r/athesim is a place where atheists can vent about the religious they run into every day."

FPH, which rarely ever posted personal information, should not be considered more harassing than specific subs which are borderline controversial. /r/funny isn't accused of harassing when there's a joke about Kayne West or Kim Kardashian; /r/pcmasterrace isn't considered harassment towards console gamers; and /r/ShitRedditSays literally targets users' comments in an attempt to brigade them. So why is FPH so specifically vilified?

TLDR: /r/fatpeoplehate is not the the only or worst harassers on the internet or even Reddit. This targeting does not seem justified.

[–]AssuredlyAThrowAway 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol.

You had to sticky this thread because it got downvoted below the threshold. No one will ever see this announcement on the default front page or /r/all.

Yo /u/kn0thing, do you really know nothing about how this site works?

[–]Muppet1616 146ポイント147ポイント  (25子コメント)

What are the other 4 banned subreddits?

[–]TheTreelo 137ポイント138ポイント  (23子コメント)

r/hamplanethatred (3071 subscribers), r/transfags (149), r/neofag (1239) and r/shitniggerssay (219)

Yet r/coontown is just fine. I think it's quite odd to drop the ban hammer on these subreddits and still let r/coontown continue with their racism.

[–]bigtallguy 118ポイント119ポイント  (12子コメント)

im really confused why neofag was banned. its about hating Neogaf, the gaming forum.

[–]WildHamBeastTamer 88ポイント89ポイント  (3子コメント)

neofag was an antineogaf subreddit, not anything to do with hating gay people. I don't see why it was banned.

[–]DyrtyW 95ポイント96ポイント  (0子コメント)

Had to find a couple to throw in the basket so that this wasn't just an obvious removal of only FPH. So sneaky Tehehehehe

[–]waterboysh 241ポイント242ポイント  (20子コメント)

If a subreddit has been banned for harassment, you will see that in the ban notice.

When I go to /r/fatpeoplehate I do not see this. All I see is:

this subreddit has been banned

most likely this was done automatically by our spam filtering program. the program is still learning, and may even have some bugs, so if you feel the ban was a mistake, please submit a link to our request a subreddit listing and be sure to include the exact name of the subreddit.

EDIT: It's already been changed. It now says.

this subreddit has been banned

This subreddit has been banned for violating the reddit rules to keep everyone safe

Which reads like the general news we see all the time where everyone responds "Because terrorists"

[–]NotKateBush 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not anymore

this subreddit has been banned

This subreddit has been banned for violating the reddit rules to keep everyone safe about

[–]SemiNation 79ポイント80ポイント  (1子コメント)

Please keep the feedback coming

Why should we, you clearly have your own agenda and don't care about all the feedback you're being given so far.

[–]Libertarian-Party 327ポイント328ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm glad that the administration are finally removing /r/srs for their harassment of redditors

[–]na85 4917ポイント4918ポイント x10 (772子コメント)

Our goal is to enable as many people as possible to have authentic conversations and share ideas and content on an open platform.

Look, I've never posted in r/fatpeoplehate and never visited it, but can we drop the charade and everyone just come out and admit that all this is about making reddit's user base more palatable for advertisers?

Coca-cola doesn't want to be associated with r/jailbait or whatever, I get that. Reddit needs to monetize because it's not profitable, I get that too.

But let's stop pretending this is about ivory-tower ideals of community and free speech. Reddit has never been about free speech. Shadow-bans aren't the tool of choice for those who support free speech. And the isolated-island format with moderators having dictatorial control over their potentially-walled gardens hampers an honest exchange of ideas in favour of increased groupthink and radicalized discourse. Free speech and "authentic conversations" (whatever the fuck that means) isn't out there waiting in the wings for r/fatpeoplehate to be banned. Advertisers are. They don't want their ads accidentally popping up on r/ihatejews or something and then a media shitstorm erupting, so the admins need to sanitize.

Ellen Pao is a lawyer and an MBA: you don't bring someone like that on board to create an ideal utopia. You call in the MBA's when you need to turn something that was idealistic into a profit stream. "Authentic conversations" is the most business-school phrase I've heard in quite some time. How about the admins treat us like adults instead of like idiots?

edit: Guys please don't downvote the responses from the admins, they're relevant to the conversation and should be visible. At least make it easier for others to find them.

other edit: kn0thing on free speech

also edit: krispykrackers on SRS

such edit: sporkicide on SRS

other other edit: ekjp on bans

[–]PewPewLaserPewPew 833ポイント834ポイント  (46子コメント)

"Authentic conversations" is the most business-school phrase I've heard in quite some time.

Let's have some crucial conversations during this paradigm shift in the data-driven Reddit! I'm going to go ahead and put the ball in your court to write the agenda for this. It's a win-win for all involved and I believe we can all have ROI with this synergy.

[–]I_play_support 1395ポイント1396ポイント  (22子コメント)

I don't see what problems coca cola would have with bad assosiations if they are so fine with sponsoring FIFA

[–]na85 261ポイント262ポイント  (8子コメント)

IMO It's a question of scale. The World Cup is the most-watched sporting event in history, broadcast in every country where coke does business or wants to, whereas reddit is a sizeable but rather-disreputable english-only website with a fickle userbase.

Guess which one they're more likely to forgive for foibles?

[–]FuckThisGoing2Voat 1246ポイント1247ポイント  (54子コメント)

I would gladly give you gold for this comment, but that's just putting more money in the pocket of the people lying to us.

[–]Jasperkr672 408ポイント409ポイント  (19子コメント)

The admins of reddit are trying to gentrify this website's userbase:

https://imgur.com/OJw5sxk

[–]Count_Bruno 33ポイント34ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Because dirty hippies don't spend as much money as middle aged moms and university-educated white girls."

[–]TheSilence13 42ポイント43ポイント  (3子コメント)

7k+ comments with a 0 score. THAT SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING

[–]tethercat 1027ポイント1028ポイント  (1066子コメント)

Where can we find the five banned subreddits? Can you just tell us here what they are, and link to where the updated page will be?

edit

In case it gets buried, here is the other four subreddits in addition to r/ fatpeoplehate. I won't direct link to them, nor name them. This link contains their identities. Thank you, mods, for your immediate transparency.

edit 2

Reddit manager /u/ekjp had this to say about the decision in regards to other offensive subreddits:

"We're banning behavior, not ideas. While we don't agree with the content of the subreddit, we don't have reports of it harassing individuals."

edit 3

Reddit co-founder Alexis Ohanian has this to say about the matter:

"Steve and I did not create reddit to be a platform for communities to target + harass individuals. It's really that simple."

[–]glitterwrists 140ポイント141ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think it's important the admins share the other four in respect of transparency. If these other subreddits go against the values of the mods, it would be helpful for Redditors to know where lines are being drawn to avoid future issues.

[–]interestedincat 54ポイント55ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aaron Swartz rolls in his grave.

[–]Thezanthex 253ポイント254ポイント  (15子コメント)

It's not that I support any of the banned subreddits, but banning them with that justification isn't cool, especially since outwardly they didn't appear to be doxxing anyone.

Censorship, man. I thought there'd be more time before it really hit reddit.

[–]RedSocks157 415ポイント416ポイント  (14子コメント)

Here's some feedback for you: I'm going to voat. You can take your SJW, safe-space nonsense and shove it. /u/ekjp has been changing this site for the worse since she got here, and the repeated bannings and deletions of anything talking about her bs attempts at extortion of her former employer only prove that she shouldn't be in charge of anything.

I'll probably be banned or shadowbanned for this. I don't care. I bet the reddit admin who does it will feel real good about themselves, using a tool originally meant to stop spam in order to remove anything they don't like or deem sufficiently "safe".

FPH might not have been nice, and you know what I wouldn't be that upset if these rules were being applied equally. The continued existence of SRS is a pretty clear indicator of that.

[–]GoonerPete 61ポイント62ポイント  (5子コメント)

I think Notch hit it right on the head https://twitter.com/notch/status/608706518972788736

[–]TweetsInCommentsBot 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

@notch

2015-06-10 18:45 UTC

I'm overweight and was frequently offended by FPH on Reddit, so I blocked it. It being banned is ridiculous.


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[–]I_love_male_butts 272ポイント273ポイント  (17子コメント)

Just be upfront that the reason FPH was banned was because it hit too close to home for the vast majority of you.
Can't keep a good shitlord down. They'll get up, unassisted.

[–]webgovernor 99ポイント100ポイント  (4子コメント)

Today we are removing five subreddits that break our reddit rules based on their harassment of individuals.

Translation: We are removing subreddits that harm advertising interests. This is why these subs seem arbitrarily chosen.

[–]Anjz 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yishan Wong, the site's former CEO, has stated that "We stand for free speech. This means we are not going to ban distasteful subreddits. We will not ban legal content even if we find it odious or if we personally condemn it."

What the fuck? This goes against what Reddit is about.

If you start banning subreddits that you 'hate', then it will start being corporate and eventually corporations will say that they are being harassed and will be able to take down subreddits and ban users.

What's next, are we gonna get banned for saying Ellen Pao is a bad CEO for going against her words? We may as well take a one way ticket to North Korea.

This is the worst move Reddit has done, I'm terribly disappointed.

As much as I resent people for having so much hate, this is a major impediment of free speech.

[–]DisgustingFatPeople 208ポイント209ポイント  (34子コメント)

you know what is fucking pathetic about this.

if you had a smokerhate subreddit, no one would care. It's ok to hate smokers.

But are there smoker acceptance people trying to say "health at every cigarette"? NO!

There is no difference between obesity and smoking. Both are horrible for you. Yet only one is ok to "shame"?

Pathetic.

[–]closetshitlordette 47ポイント48ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was a subscriber to FPH. Say what you want about me, but here's the deal:

  • Unlike SRS's wink-nudge, totally insincere "no-brigade" policy, FPH's was legit. It's rules included a prohibition on linking to other parts of reddit (and such posts were automatically removed); including any personal information including person, username, or subreddit names in posts; and banning known brigaders. It regularly removed posts that broke any of these rules, and the mods routinely put up reminders not to brigade. It kept to itself.

  • This decision is not only arbitrary but unfounded. FPH blatantly did not do the things it is being accused of (harassment) while subs that actively and openly do those things remain. This leaves me and--looking through the comments--much of the rest of the community feeling as if you've just slapped us in the face with capricious censorship with blatantly insincere justifications, when the real agenda was political in nature.

  • And speaking of the real agenda, since it was political, what about all the other distasteful subs that not only harass but represent far more odious subject matter than FPH? Good job, mods: you've opened that door.

Conclusion: this is bullshit and you know it.

[–]AntonioOfVenice 69ポイント70ポイント  (4子コメント)

So you ban /r/fatpeoplehate and /r/neoFAG, but /r/PhilosophyofRape, a sub dedicated to advocating the rape of women stays up?

Fuck you, admins. Fuck you1000.

[–]CaptainReginald 350ポイント351ポイント  (6子コメント)

TIL vicious racism is fine, but hurting fat people's fee fees is banable.

Classy, Reddit.

[–]DyrtyW 231ポイント232ポイント  (7子コメント)

And by only sub with more than 5000 members they mean one that hit 151,000 yesterday. But yeah someone getting upset about something they can change about themselves is much more important to sensor than obvious and blatant Racism and White Supremacy, well done mods... well done

[–]eyecebrakr 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow reddit, you are one gigantic free speech destroying cunt rag.

[–]_The-Big-Giant-Head_ 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

You messed up on a biblical scale. This is political correctness creeping up in your admin offices. Where exactly do you draw the line?

How can you justify or explain that r/fatpeoplehate (which I have never seen and i believe it is just some joke/fun)is banned but the following are cool??

http://www.reddit.com/r/SomeRandomReddit/wiki/sickandweirdsubreddits#wiki_beastiality.2Ffurries.3A

Unlike some of those subs making harmless fun of fat people pic for a laugh isn't illegal in the real world.

[–]hellzscream 64ポイント65ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wot? Nobody is forcing people to view those subreddits/topics stop trying to be a victim. How do you people survive in the real world?