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MegathreadWhy was /r/fatpeoplehate, along with several other communities just banned? (self.OutOfTheLoop)

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At approximately 2pm EST on Wednesday, June 10th 2015, admins released this announcement post, declaring that a prominent subreddit, /r/fatpeoplehate (details can be found in these posts, for the unacquainted), as well as a few other small ones (/r/hamplanethatred, /r/transfags, /r/neofag, /r/shitniggerssay) were banned in accordance with reddit's recent expanded Anti-Harassment Policy.

The allegations are that users from /r/fatpeoplehate were regularly going outside their subreddit and harassing people in other subreddits or even other internet communities (including allegedly poaching pics from /r/keto and harassing the redditor(s) involved and harassment of specific employees of imgur.com, as well as other similar transgressions.

Important quote from the post:

We will ban subreddits that allow their communities to use the subreddit as a platform to harass individuals when moderators don’t take action. We’re banning behavior, not ideas.

To paraphrase: As long as you can keep it 100% confined within the subreddit, anything within legal bounds still goes. As soon as content/discussion/'politics' of the subreddit extend out to other users on reddit, communities, or people on other social media platforms with the intent to harass, harangue, hassle, shame, berate, bemoan, or just plain fuck with, that's when there's problems. FPH et al. was apparently struggling with this part.

As for the 'what about X community' answers are sparse at the moment. The comments section in the announcement thread is full of users asking about why one controversial community continues to exist while these are banned, and the only answer available at the moment is that A) they keep it confined to the sub and don't reach across platforms or subreddits to involve outside parties; or B) They will address each community reported to them in due time.

The announcement is at least somewhat in line with their Pledge about Transparency, but specific details and justifications are few at the moment. They will be provided to the best of our ability as developments continue.

Discuss this subject, but please remember to follow reddiquette and please keep comments helpful, on topic, and cordial as possible (Rule 4).

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[–]attackzeppelin 49ポイント50ポイント  (17子コメント)

What was r/neofag? It's the only one of these subs I don't know about and whose purpose I have a hard time divining from its name.

[–]Dannybaker 42ポイント43ポイント  (15子コメント)

Sort of "shitNeoGAFsays"

NeoGAF being a gaming forum

[–]Swamp85look at the sidebar m8 6ポイント7ポイント  (14子コメント)

And I'm willing to bet they linked directly to threads, prompting this ban.

[–]Jack1998blue 37ポイント38ポイント  (13子コメント)

like SRS regularly links to reddit threads without np links :/

[–]Swamp85look at the sidebar m8 18ポイント19ポイント  (12子コメント)

Yep, they should be next.

[–]IcyDefiance 26ポイント27ポイント  (4子コメント)

They won't be. KiA has gotten enough shadowbans and harassment from admins to use archive links instead of np now, but SRS uses www links and hasn't even been warned. Admins love that sub. No way in hell is it going anywhere.

[–]Gakimir 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

SRD is always np... The www ones get auto removed by automoderator.

[–]IcyDefiance 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Shit, I meant SRS. Second time I've done that in the last couple weeks. Confusing letters.

[–]Gakimir 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah I hear you lol. I kind of wish the admins would standardize automoderator to set any outside link to np, but the way they have it set up now is that it's optional.

SRS was real bad with brigades a few years ago but they've quieted down.

[–]vikinickfor, while 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's also because np links are a CSS hack. It's not supported by reddit natively, subs have to add the ability to handle np links themselves.

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    [–]captainflyte 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I saw an offsite article linked that said both transfag and neofag were targetting a 16 year old transgender person despite repeated removal requests by the persons family and that it was not the first time. Basically they were bullying a teenager and posting pictures of them to laugh at.

    [–]vikinickfor, while 70ポイント71ポイント  (11子コメント)

    That thread is going totally nuclear. I'm just gonna stay in this thread for a while while it settles down and read all of the admins responses.

    Also: protip: sort by controversial for the worst view.

    [–]splattypus[S] 45ポイント46ポイント  (7子コメント)

    sort by controversial for the worst view.

    No thanks.

    [–]vikinickfor, while 39ポイント40ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Its about half comments that were downvoted to shit saying that FPH was a bad subreddit, and half just saying the admins are fat.

    [–]nu2readit 32ポイント33ポイント  (3子コメント)

    All the 'admins are fat' posts I saw were upvoted

    [–]vikinickfor, while 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There were a lot that were upvoted and downvoted at the same time leading them to be placed high on "controversial."

    [–]retroshark 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I saw them upvoted to 4000+ levels... its a shitstorm over there and I dont think I want any part of it.

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        [–]DoctorWhoWhenHowWhy 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Also: protip: sort by controversial for the worst view.

        AHHH MY EYESS!!!!

        [–]Chlorophilia 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

        How is shit like "I hope you all die from cancer you fat fucks" getting upvoted en masse?

        [–]DatGuyRich 98ポイント99ポイント  (59子コメント)

        What is Voat.co?

        [–]splattypus[S] 102ポイント103ポイント  (27子コメント)

        Voat is essentially a reddit clone, with some minor tweaks and differences of its own.

        Some of the big ones, as I've been told elsewhere is this:

        to vote, you need to get 20 upvotes yourself. ...To downvote, you need to get 100 upvotes. ...you're only allowed to vote half as many times as your upvotes.

        Apparently that is a little unclear and poorly explained on voat, but one would presume it's a measure to discourage outside manipulation and pissing matches from competitors/sites by making people become established users first. Sort of a probationary period or sorts I guess.

        [–]treycook 34ポイント35ポイント  (16子コメント)

        Interesting. Sounds like just another system that has yet to be gamed, to me. I could see people posting tons of low-effort comments on multiple accounts just to bank upvotes to feed to their main account.

        [–]splattypus[S] 21ポイント22ポイント  (15子コメント)

        It's possible. A voting system to influence content is bound to have opportunities for manipulation. As of now, there's no perfect system.

        [–]swingawaymarell 10ポイント11ポイント  (14子コメント)

        I hate the voting system with a passion. But this site is way more active than places like Fark, so here I be.

        [–]Olpainless 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

        The problem isn't the votes, the problem is karma.

        If reddit stopped tracking karma, a nice chunk of all the crap would die out. If comments lived and died in posts, and posts just died out, then we'd be making progress.

        Then people like karmanaut and his cult of wannabes would fuck off.

        [–]Werner__Herzog 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

        If anything karmanaut's "power" is being top mod of two of the biggest subs on reddit. His karma whoring times have been over for a long time and it doesn't even seem like a lot of people care that much about people with a huge amount of karma anymore. Maybe I don't spend enough time on the defaults where everything is about karma anymore and my perspective is skewed.

        But you are right, some people care way too much about their karma. I still don't think that the karma system is the only problem that has to be solved.

        [–]splattypus[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I've been saying for years that it's the accumulation of karma that is most detrimental to the site.

        [–]splattypus[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Pretty much. I think that's the way the majority of users are. Once something better comes along, the masses will go there. But for now, reddit is the best option, it provides just enough of what we want to keep coming back.

        [–]Fruit_Cake_Best_Cake 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

        That's why I sort of like how 4chan does it, vote manipulation doesn't exist, it's just on popularity on the post. More comments more people will see it. Troll posts get ignored or poked fun at.

        Obviously I don't like a lot of other things to do with 4chan, but I believe that's just a small percentage of the site, just like how I hate a small percentage of Reddit.

        [–]swingawaymarell 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

        I can't figure out 4chan to save my life. Seriously, that layout makes absolutely no sense to me.
        I know I'm missing out on tons of fun, and I think I'd fucking love it, but I am so goddamn lost there.

        [–]Fruit_Cake_Best_Cake 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

        To be brutally honest; what you see of 4chan is the best of the best, stuff from /r/4chan and /r/greentext are the best ever, they're almost always reposts. If you do go to 4chan, you will see a lot of disgusting stuff and a lot of fluff. I only go on there now because I've done it for so long, it's just a force of habit like opening youtube, email, Reddit and 4chan when I start a browser.

        Just pray you never have to see 'Hot Gluing' for the longest time possible.

        [–]Gking19The King of G's 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        /r/4chan is essentially a watered down www.4chan.org . But you're definitely right, 4chan is a nasty place, and really I only support the idea because I support free speech, in the truest sense. I may not agree, but it's not my place to say what you can or can't do.

        [–]Fruit_Cake_Best_Cake 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I remember when I saw a post about a man murdering a woman. It still gives me the chills when I see it on /r/4chan because I saw it in real time.

        Read a story about it a couple days later which made me feel even worse.

        No I won't be providing a source, I don't want to google the story, please find it yourself.

        [–]RoanHighlandsMan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        That's not true. Just like which subreddits you go to, the quality of the content depends on which board. /fa/ just had a hilarious, but small, thread where people were going through public images of a lookbook site and picking out the worst/craziest/best.

        [–]676339784 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Browsing 4chan with addons (ccd0's 4chan X and nebukazar's Oneechan) makes the browsing experience much easier with customizable layout and a notification system.

        [–]LvS 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        4chan is shit because you cannot have meaningful discussions due to lack of threading and lack of ordering. The shitposting would destroy any thread.

        Plus things like askreddit or ama's would be impossible to enjoy just because of the volume of posts.

        [–]rreighe2 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It's better than facebooks algorithm where a post can only go up and treats every comment as a positive response.

        [–]angelcat00 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

        That site's blatant-repost-for-karma to real content ratio must be ridiculous...

        [–]justformemes 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Years ago, like 15 or so I was part of a car forum that tried a system like that. It went to shit real fast because it gave people some power over others. People gaming the system and cliques etc started to form. Then there were always some petty dicks that'd tried to prevent people from getting votes so they could feel superior. Stuff like that.

        [–]splattypus[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It's human nature. People will always form cliques, have 'in crowds' and 'out crowds', and the most extreme of those will use whatever means are at their disposal to subvert the others. The aided anonymity and 'distance' of the internet, paired with the oftenrudimentary and overt tools at their disposal (voting, quick-create accounts, etc) make it that much easier for people to do.

        It's unfortunate, but I think it's also inevitable to a degree. One thing that does concern me, and maybe it's just confirmation bias on my part, is that I swear the fallout seems to be getting worse from these conflicts as time goes on. People are escalating it more and more, so that the consequences are exponentially more dire over the same transgressions that have always existed.

        [–]Vordreller 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

        I made an account there once. Forgot my password. Can't recover it because that functionality isn't there.

        The source code has a year old request for it that someone once started on but apparently it never got merged.

        I wanted to try and make it myself, I have some experience in C#, though it has been several years.

        But then they just list a bunch of things they use with no instructions on how to set anything up except for a key needed for some connection.

        It's just too much of a hassle to set it all up to even start developing on it.

        [–]misterducky 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Sounds a lot like the privileges system based on reputation over at stackexchange.

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          [–]starcksjoen 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

          It's where people who proclaim that Reddit is dead go, to then return a week later. I think /r/conspiracy threatened to move there a few months ago.

          [–]Gifos 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

          They're basically like Men Going Their Own Way. They say they're done with everyone else and are going elsewhere, but the people they are leaving just go "yeah, okay, that's cool," and not "oh please please don't go you are big and the most important person in the world", so they stay in the doorway, slamming the door again and again, shouting "I REALLY MEAN IT THIS TIME."

          [–]Norci 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

          FatPeopleHete's new home. I weep for the community there.

          [–]Spooky_Ghost_AMA 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

          They can keep 'em for all I care.

          [–]Westboro_Fag_Tits 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

          The only reason /r/fatpeoplehate was banned was because the sidebar had the imgur staff pictures on it. I saw it last night and just knew the sub would be banned for it.

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            [–]IAteOkayZebraVulva 12ポイント13ポイント  (9子コメント)

            An offshoot of Reddit that's supposed to be "all about free speech," so essentially a safe haven for bigots.

            [–]TheRoosterDentist 18ポイント19ポイント  (8子コメント)

            If you want to be able to speak freely, then the people who you disagree with have to be able to speak freely as well. It's not free speak but only if I'm ok with what they are saying

            [–]478431188447 97ポイント98ポイント  (69子コメント)

            I think this comment put it pretty well. Reddit wants to clean itself up for advertisers. Those subs were very successful, and they were harming the image of reddit. I imagine the admins are going to walk the line as long as they can, doing what they can to clean the site up, but not doing so much that it forces the community away. We will see how successful they are.

            [–]splattypus[S] 74ポイント75ポイント  (50子コメント)

            To be honest, I personally thing it's overdue. Reddit has spent the vast majority of its livespan miserably unprofitable and held together by piecework stopgaps from people thanks to it being opensource, enabling whoever had the skills to come along and make fixes or improvements. Their servers still get bogged down with traffic from time to time, and they just weren't able to meet the demands of its quickly-growing userbase.

            Enter the sponsors.

            They provide the financial means for reddit to meet the needs of its users, but we all knew it would come at some cost. Reddit has done well to align themselves with sponsors who share similar values, but nobody is going to want to associate themselves with such controversial communities, regardless of how much traffic on reddit those communities got. And if it was confined exclusively to reddit in some corner, it would be easy for them to brush aside or sweep under the rug, but when it spread out of the subreddit and even offsite (allegedly) while continuing to use the sub as the hub or home base, that's a black eye they can't cover up.

            99% of subreddits likely aren't ever going to have to worry about this, and 99% of users likely aren't ever going to be effected by these practices, but it's necessary from a business standpoint if reddit wants to continue to exist and grow. You can't afford to alienate huge swaths of your potential userbase to appease a smaller group. In this case, the scales are in favor of the sponsors and the general public, and against the likes of FPH and those who would see reddit as a platform for unmitigated free speech.

            [–]478431188447 82ポイント83ポイント  (48子コメント)

            Reddit wasn't created to be a business the way it exists today. You think this is long overdue, but it's because you have a different image of what this site should be.

            The fact that they made such a grand statement and then chose to ban only 5 subreddits means that it was an empty gesture. They don't really want to stand behind those words. They want this site to look better to advertisers. That means this is turning from a site about the community into a site about a community of customers.

            I don't give a shit if this place is profitable if it has to throw away the ideals that created it in the first place. If it can't provide what it was created for, there is absolutely no need for it to even exist for that matter. It can disappear for all I care. I have absolutely no sympathy for them. Other sites will pop up in its place as they deserve to. It is just nice to have a place to communicate freely online. People will find other means of communication. If someone wants to control my ability to communicate in order to push some agenda, they can go fuck themselves. I'll find some other way to do it.

            [–]itty53 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

            I'll find some other way to do it.

            By all means, go do that.

            [–]pretty-much-a-puppy 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Well hey, reddit was never really anti-moderation. I mean that's the difference between this place and places like 4chan. Sometimes you want total non-moderation (actually, even fucking 4chan mods take down child porn), but other times it's beneficial for the quality of discussion to remove certain types of speech.

            The real problem with FPH wasn't that they're a bunch of assholes, it's that they were organizing affronts on other subreddits' ability to moderate themselves by harrasing people who post images of themselves on r/keto, r/abrathatfits, r/fitness, etc. en masse. I mean, it makes the moderators' jobs really hard to get rid of swaths of comments that violate their rules all at once. So really, these subreddits were places for organizing ways of hindering the quality of discussion on other subs, which I think is worse than the higher ups "controlling your ability to communicate". It's not just an agenda against assholes, it's an agenda for reddit to fucking work.

            [–]Sohcahtoa82 45ポイント46ポイント  (16子コメント)

            I don't give a shit if this place is profitable

            You do know that running servers capable of handling the extreme amount of traffic reddit gets is very expensive, right? It isn't free. It has to be paid for somehow. Good will and happy thoughts don't pay for hardware and bandwidth.

            Yes, you can create a reddit clone very easily, but without a significant financial investment, it will crumble if and when its popularity soars.

            How do you suggest they raise money besides bending over slightly for advertisers? Yeah, people can buy reddit gold or reddit merchandise, but that money alone isn't enough for a site as popular as reddit.

            [–]Dannybaker 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I don't see anyone is stopping you from actively communicating tho. I get it that you don't care about reddit's finances and will they survive another year, neither do I that much tbh, but if your preferred medium of communication was fat people hate (not directed to you personally), the site is better off without you.

            [–]478431188447 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I'm advocating for others. I don't personally care for that sub, but I do care about how the site is run.

            [–]AtomicSamuraiCyborg 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            "Reddit wasn't created to be a business the way it exists today."

            Could you elaborate on what you mean by that? Reddit was founded as a private company in 2005, and was sold Conde Nast in 2006. It has been a for-profit company since it started, and part of a much larger publishing and content company, for most of it's history. They're a for-profit company, they're trying to make their product more marketable and profitable.

            [–]synthetic_sound 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Or, or they had proof that the users in those particular subs were actively harassing other users outside of that subreddit.

            Ultimately it comes down to this: if you're upset that the people running a company have made it more difficult/against their code of conduct to actively harass other users, then go somewhere else. No one is stopping you. The only thing the admins are trying to stop is the harassment of other users. And why wouldn't they step in and try to put a stop to that? How could anyone be against that?

            [–]Flex-O 15ポイント16ポイント  (11子コメント)

            Yet, you're still here.

            [–]FountainsOfFluids 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Other sites will pop up in its place as they deserve to.

            No, they won't. If reddit fails, it will be strong evidence that communities like this aren't self-sustainable and will not get investors. The only reason sites like this run for years at a loss is because investors are hoping that they will figure out how to turn a profit on it at some point.

            When reddit gets shut down, the next site will find it much harder to find investors. They will point at reddit's "toxic" openness and design a system that is tightly controlled from the start. Bye, bye open forums.

            It's way, way better to start with an open forum and slowly trim the toxic aspects from it, especially with the clear guidelines that are outlined in the post above.

            The problem is that there is real debate as to whether those reasons outlined above were true. Was it because there was brigading from those forums into others, or were they targeted by the SJWs who seem to be taking over reddit? That's a real discussion that needs to be had.

            [–]478431188447 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

            You obviously don't use a lot of forums. Reddit had a novel format. We will most definitely see more websites like this whether they're profitable or not. Good forums tend to be held up by their communities anyhow.

            [–]AWildAmericanApeared 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

            This website is free. You don't have to pay to be here. Therefore, you and I are the product, not the customers.

            [–]478431188447 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Some places on the internet exist for the sole purpose of existing. They tend to be niche forums.

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                [–]gasolinerainbow 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                This is exactly what people said when r/creepshots was shut down.

                [–]jmillerworks 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

                They know nobody is going to pay them right? That's not what the site is built for. If I could either have an actual ad, I know half of you are going to block or an "organic" post that looks like a real post but it's entire purpose is to convince you to check out let's say jmillerworks.com I'm going with the 2nd & it's cheaper to hypothetically buy/socially engineer upvotes to the front page or in my niche than any campaign they offer.

                Now they are just cruising to disaster by AGAIN confusing it's user base as well as potential advertisers. No one knows how the hell this site works, and the only people I've seen talk about advertising on reddit are obvious friends/employees of people at reddit. my moneys on twitter/FB. If 8 chan can at least be consistent in their shittiness they might take the throne.

                [–]478431188447 23ポイント24ポイント  (6子コメント)

                The ads aren't the product. Making a post get to the front page is the product. Reddit can drive internet traffic. They coordinate with people for AMAs. They give celebrities and companies special treatment. They probably do other things behind the scenes as well.

                [–]altxatu 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

                Native Advertising. FPH was showing up on the front page of /r/all a lot. Like a whole fucking lot. Cost-co doesn't want their picture of a store brand pizza next anything labeled "fatpeoplehate."

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                    [–]starcksjoen 113ポイント114ポイント  (60子コメント)

                    The people in the announcement thread are overreacting so much. It's kinda fun to see some of them proclaim this the end of times as we know them.

                    [–]Drogalov 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    They'll always have 4chan

                    [–]matisata 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    The more extreme and abrasive users migrated to 8chan.

                    [–]MuffinDiver 88ポイント89ポイント  (48子コメント)

                    Please. I hope all those dickheads leave in the name of "free speech". You can't mention weightloss in another sub without a few FPH losers showing up.

                    [–]djaked 74ポイント75ポイント  (12子コメント)

                    I'm with you. Even if you're fat and successfully losing weight you're still just an animal to those people. And criticisms of those racist subreddits just go without saying.

                    [–]MuffinDiver 25ポイント26ポイント  (9子コメント)

                    I personally am a big fan of banning the racist subs. However I think everyone keeping their thoughts and ideas contained in the subreddit is a reasonable compromise.

                    [–]djaked 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

                    How do you enforce something like that though? There will always be people that don't care and will say what they want where they want. And there's always the potential for places like fatpeoplehate to be hijacked by folks out to make their subreddit look even worse.

                    I'm not saying the answer is to immediately ban every subreddit that someone finds offensive. I am, however, saying that unless you've got a website with literally zero rules then real free speech will never be a thing. The darknet is the only place where real freedom exists in this world and that place has some wild extremes of awesome and horrifying.

                    [–]MuffinDiver 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    I don't think it's 100% enforceable at all but hopefully it mostly works. I agree, real free speech will never happen and I am ok with that.

                    [–]treycook 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    I'm not disagreeing with you, but those subreddits are repeatedly banned because they repeatedly prove that they cannot self-contain their vitriol.

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                      [–]TheSandmann 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      True, thing I didn't get is that once you were skinny you were part of the club, till then no mercy for loosing weight or asking questions.

                      I don't agree with "Fat People Privilege" or saying Healthy at any weight or spreading false information about the downsides of being obese, but that really is a pretty rare thing.

                      Still that sub must have struck a cord with people out there cause it blew up pretty fast.

                      [–]sidewaysplatypus 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      Any sub, really, and it doesn't even have to involve weight loss. There was a guy from FPH leaving rude comments on a top post in /r/LifeProTips just because OP mentioned eating chips...for fuck's sake. When I called him out he started rambling about how my "ham tears" sustain him, I guess attempting to call me fat? Joke's on him though, I'm 5'1"/115 lbs. Plus he got banned not long afterward.

                      [–]MuffinDiver 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      I fucking love that their only defense is "well you are fat"

                      Don't have to be fat to disagree with you

                      [–]Andloquin 37ポイント38ポイント  (16子コメント)

                      Also reddit isn't the government.

                      [–]PM_ME_YOUR_WORRIES 19ポイント20ポイント  (12子コメント)

                      It isn't, but the ideas and policies that maintain freedom of speech and freedom of expression is something that any entity can be more or less in favour of.

                      Not saying Reddit's being bad about it, just that one doesn't have to be a government to limit the way in which free speech is applied on their platforms.

                      [–]fullofwind 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      ust that one doesn't have to be a government to limit the way in which free speech is applied on their platforms.

                      Pretty much they actually do. Free speech is not free of consequence, just that the government won't lock you up for ideas. It does not mean you get an audience. Any platform that provides an audience does not have to provide an audience to all ideas. They are free to choose what ideas they want to be associated with. Your demand of an audience to your speech does not trump the property rights and freedom of association of the owners of the site you are using. This is not a free speech issue. It is a property rights and freedom of association issue.

                      [–]Andloquin 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

                      Well, reddit isn't the government so it has the right to limit speech. Not saying I agree with it, I'm just saying its dumb to say reddit is violating my rights when they ban subs or censor certain content, because they are allowed to.

                      [–]MuffinDiver 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      Seriously. Reddit can say we can only speak Hungarian and I can't object because THiS IS JUST SOME FUCKING WEBSITE NOT THE CONSTITUTION OR SOME SHIT

                      [–]gasolinerainbow 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      Seriously. I have left reddit multiple times because I was sick to fucking death of them - I came back a few weeks ago and sure enough I have run into them several times already, always in non-FPH subs. Last year they sent PMs to me after I posted about being a recovering bulimic (in a weightloss support sub), telling me that I should have kept throwing up and that I was too fat to have an eating disorder. They were fucking scum.

                      [–]MuffinDiver 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Well they are gone so fuck 'em. Best of luck with your recovery!

                      [–]vikinickfor, while 26ポイント27ポイント  (6子コメント)

                      FPH was such a shitty subreddit. I am not surprised it got banned. Wouldn't surprise me if they actually were exchanging PMs and harassing people behind the scenes.

                      [–]RareBeautyEtsy 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      Evidently they were. I saw some of the posters from FPH bullying people on other subs. I went to FPH when I heard about it, because I didn't believe it. (and some of the other subs, they were horrific)

                      There were some pretty clear examples of FPH mentality (where hatred was acceptable, and encouraged) bleeding over into other subs. Same with some of the racist subs. At least /r/ferguson kept it to the sub, (still horrible) but FPH had an undercurrent that felt that it could lead to doxxing and/or physical violence against fat people.

                      I was not a subscriber to any of them, but stumbled upon these subs when I read the history of several people that had said horrible things on other subs. So, 100% guaranteed it was not confined to FPH or the subs that were banned.

                      And yes, it was a shitty subreddit. What a bunch of narcissists. I am not fat, but I don't hate those that are.

                      [–]gasolinerainbow 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      I think they weren't narcissistic so much as really, really afraid of being fat. I know that some of them were migrants from r/loseit who decided after losing weight that fat people were to be hated - apparently one of the mods lost a crazy amount of weight too. It's actually pretty sad, if you think about it - imagine being so afraid of gaining/regaining weight that you become consumed with hatred for those that are already overweight, and feel the need to tear them down just to buoy your own self-esteem?

                      [–]RareBeautyEtsy 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      I agree. I did not go there often, (twice, to read something in the history of someone that was being very rude). The writing seemed to be from people that have so much self-hatred that the only way they are able to feel good is by feeling superior to those that are heavier.

                      I saw a post last night about Meghan Trainor. She seems really, really sweet, and the comments were horrific. I mean, horrible, mean, hate-filled, nasty, shockingly so. And she isn't fat. It was really uncalled for, and the hatred was scary.

                      The people on that sub need serious counseling. It was pitiful.

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                              [–]RoanHighlandsMan 45ポイント46ポイント  (24子コメント)

                              For being too popular. There are a lot of hate subs on Reddit, but none of them hit the front page, like, ever, let alone multiple times a day.

                              [–]definitelynotaspy 31ポイント32ポイント  (12子コメント)

                              For doxxing. They were posting pictures of Imgur admins and making fun of them for being fat. Doxxing has been against the rules here for a long time.

                              [–]RoboticParadox 36ポイント37ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              are we all collectively forgetting about the time one guy posted pictures of a corpse in a morgue (that's a felony) in a state of VERY advanced decomposition because "she was a fatty" last month?

                              [–]retroshark 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Well that just seems like the most incredibly stupid thing to do.

                              [–]RoboticParadox 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              link

                              Goes without saying that these pictures are very NSFL. Even for someone, like myself, who has seen a lot of gore. From that perspective, I agree with those FPH members - the presence of her face in many of the pictures (especially the red face demonstrating livor mortis) - is what makes these pictures more confronting. And when you put it in the context of mocking her it becomes absolutely grotesque.

                              [–]CarolineJohnson 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

                              Doxxing is where you post personal information of someone. Names, phone numbers, addresses, etc. FPH never did that.

                              Now if your pictures, name, etc. were posted to the public, that's a different story. Your information is public, therefore there's no need to censor it when posting about you somewhere.

                              [–]definitelynotaspy 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

                              Historically the admins don't care if it's public. If you're posting someone's real name, picture, address, etc on reddit, it's against the rules. Whether it's publicly available info or not is irrelevant. People have been banned for posting their own information on reddit. There's no gray area. Personal info = not allowed.

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                                [–]TeutorixAleria 26ポイント27ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                It was because literally every singe front page post was flooded with "found the fatty" and other shit like that. They were clearly brigading.

                                [–]synthetic_sound 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                I think it's more about the people in those subs constantly harassing other users who were simply looking for advice on places like /r/keto. Admins had real proof that it was happening, so they axed those communities. That's why other disgusting subs are allowed to remain, because at least they are keeping their particular forms of cancer contained.

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                                  [–]LizardPoisonsSpock 28ポイント29ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                  I understand banning it, but why in the world is /r/fatpeoplehate2 all over /r/all? Seems ridiculous to ban one and promote another.

                                  [–]splattypus[S] 44ポイント45ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Reddit's sorting algorithm, activity absolutely blew up on that sub in the last two hours, and that activity is what determines its 'hot'ness when being displayed.

                                  [–]Advacar 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                  Huh? No one's promoting anything. /r/all is completely automatic. It's literally what your front page would look like if you subscribed to every subreddit.

                                  [–]toews-me 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                  That's what I don't get. Just bring the banhammer down on all of those new subs. They're obviously just going to do the same exact thing.

                                  [–]Sports-Nerd 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  With a vengeance (These people are just bullies)

                                  [–]toews-me 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  I agree. It's one thing to say, "I don't like [insert whatever] people". It's another thing to go out and start bullying them. What the fuck is wrong with people? It's also been proven that bullying is not an effective weight loss tool.

                                  Also, no one bullied smokers, for the record. No one said, "You should kill yourself because you smoke". It was more like, "The smell and secondhand smoke disturbs others on public property and in private places that allow it, so we're not going to do that anymore". And then people quit because it pushed them to realize what they were doing.

                                  Bullying is not going to help obese people "realize" what they're doing. It's only going to make them feel more worthless then they already feel.

                                  [–]ameoba 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  They will, eventually.

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                                    [–]BlazingKitsune 20ポイント21ポイント  (35子コメント)

                                    I was just browsing /r/fatlogic and when I clicked on one comment section it was suddenly shown as private. Is that possibly due to this? Because I have no clue who the mods are so I can't PM them to approve me for the subreddit. Any help on this would be appreciated, since the sub doesn't really fall under 'hatesubs' as much as something like fph.

                                    [–]XynthZ 61ポイント62ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                    From that page:

                                    /r/fatlogic is a place of sarcasm and support in the never ending battle of weight loss and healthy diet. We debunk the nonsense that's sprung up as a result of the obesity epidemic and tell the hard truths about fat acceptance, weight loss, exercise and healthy eating. Hatefulness is not allowed.

                                    Sub is going private until the backlash from FPH ban calms down. Check back in a few hours.

                                    I would suggest just waiting a few hours.

                                    [–]splattypus[S,M] 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    The splashpage for /r/fatlogic is showing that it was set to 'Private' by the mods of the sub, rather than showing the 'ban' message displayed on /r/fatpeoplehate. A quick guess would be that the mods locked down /r/fatlogic for the time being to prep for the fallout and additional traffic that is sure to come this way as this situation continues.

                                    [–]tahlyn 37ポイント38ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Absolutely. Between 2pm and 3pm we removed dozens of new threads, hundreds of posts and each of the active mods banned a score of people. After an hour of dealing with the overwhelming number of fat-haters who didn't think our rules against hateful and bullying comments mattered and that fatlogic ought to be their new home... we shut it down for the time being.

                                    It's temporary and we'll be back once things have calmed down a bit.

                                    [–]splattypus[S] 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Good call. Dropping the ball or being unprepared for that kind of influx could cause irreparable damage to the sub. Better safe than sorry.

                                    [–]tahlyn 48ポイント49ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                    Fatlogic is Temporarily Private. 150k angry fat-haters flooded our sub with vitrol. Fatlogic has always forbidden fat-hate, and they weren't exactly happy that we aren't looking to be their new home. We'll be open again soon.

                                    /moderator at fatlogic

                                    [–]5-4-3-2-1-bang 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                    For those of us out of even being out of the loop, what was Fatlogic's purpose?

                                    [–]aenemyrums 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    In a more concise way it was like fatpeoplehate without the hate and harassment. As the name suggests it highlighted the weird twisted logic occasionally used by some people in the HAES movement.

                                    [–]tahlyn 23ポイント24ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                    Posted this to someone else (copy pasting it):

                                    The obesity crisis in the western world is a very serious thing. Lots of people are very fat. Lots of very fat people have absolutely no nutritional knowledge and believe some very crazy things about their body, their diet, and their nutrition. People sincerely and seriously suggest things like: "I eat 500 calories a day, exercise for hours, but gain weight!" or "my thyroid caused me to gain 100 pounds," "This plate of ranch-dressing-covered lettuce is healthy and only 200 calories because MFP said so!" which is absolute nonsense and only keeping them fat.

                                    What each individual gets from fatlogic is different. A number of people say they use it for inspiration in their own diets. Other people use it for humor. Others just because they seriously do oppose the fat activists who want to normalize obesity as a healthy and positive thing.

                                    ultimately fatlogic is about tearing down the the leaps of logic and mental gymnastics people use to excuse themselves from personal responsibility for their own weight.

                                    Also point of notice: we've done numerous surveys. While I don't have the most recent one available (the person who ran it up and deleted everything), we're approximately 55% women, 40% men, 5% "other", and while over 2/3rds of us have a normal BMI at present, our users also indicated that 2/3rds of them have, at one point in their lives, been overweight or obese.

                                    We are literally a bunch of formerly-fat men and women (though mostly women) who lost the weight and don't like other fat people saying "it can't be done."

                                    The thing is, a lot of people don't like being told "you are responsible for your own life and consequentially your own weight" and take that to mean we are bullies who hate fat people. We do our best to tear down that image when we can, because it's not who we are or who we want to be.

                                    [–]Stryker88 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                    I get what you're saying, but what do you think about the mental health aspects of obesity? Multiple studies have demonstrated a strong link between depression and obesity for example. Those two things feed into each other where the depression saps you of motivation and the obesity exacerbates the depression which some people deal with by eating.

                                    [–]tahlyn 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    It's something our users do acknowledge (some more begrudgingly than others).

                                    I don't pretend that weight loss is 100% in the control of every individual. In reality, it's simple: eat less than you burn. In reality, it's not easy: there are many mitigating factors that make weightloss really hard, otherwise everyone would be thin.

                                    There are legitimate genetic conditions, like Prader Willi syndrome: people who feel absolutely painful and agonizing hunger 24/7 and who are developmentally disabled (so less self control). There are people who suffer food addiction, binge eating disorder, emotional eating. There are the impacts of poverty (which goes farther than just the dollar value on a food item).

                                    My heart absolutely goes out to people who have a hard time losing weight because of their circumstances. And that's where we definitely differ from fatpeoplehate.

                                    But those sorts of things are very different from the fat activitsts who take advantage of the ignorant and sell them on scientific and medical quackery, and who try to convince you to buy their book that tells you that you're perfect the way you are and that obesity's negative side effects aren't from the fat, but from the social stigma of a society that is prejudiced against fat people. You heard that right, diabetes is caused by people bullying you. There are fat activists who sell that nonsense, and gullible people who believe it. It's like the anti-vaccine activists. I cannot stand that sort of fraud and that's why I am personally at fatlogic.

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                                          [–]Frankeh 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          It's funny how /r/fatpeoplehate claims to be what /r/fatlogic actually is.

                                          Yet they're actually just a bunch of pathetic shitcunts who desperately need to shit on other people for reasons unknown.

                                          Mocking HAES and fat people who delude themselves and others is one thing.

                                          Blanket hating all fat people is just some ignorant shit.

                                          Keep the the good fight.

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                                            [–]T_DumbsfordAlways in the loop 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Because I have no clue who the mods are so I can't PM them to approve me

                                            You can send a message to the sub. Just click compose and put the sub name in the "to" field.

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                                              [–]SeigneurdesEtrons 205ポイント206ポイント  (129子コメント)

                                              It was killed not for brigading (as compared to other subs, FPH did nary brigade), nor for being worse than other hate subs. It was banned because of its success.

                                              FPH was the sixth most active sub on Reddit which, for its size, is beyond stunning. That a "hate" sub would be so popular must've been an intolerable black eye to the company.

                                              Fat people can now rest easy, in the knowledge that no one will ever judge them poorly ever again.

                                              [–]djaked 67ポイント68ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                              Finally people will go back to just judging me for my awkward social graces.

                                              [–]Jackpot777 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              And the fact that, like me, you don't sweat much for a chunky lad.

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                                                [–]Jack41096 46ポイント47ポイント  (27子コメント)

                                                except for the fact that /r/fatpeoplehate2 is already up and running, as well as several others.

                                                hydra. ya cant kill it. you just make yourself look dimwitted in the process.

                                                [–]Jackpot777 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                It's more than several now. The highest numbered one so far is fatpeoplehate11 (12 is untaken so far).

                                                No, wait. There's a 13 ...a 15... it's growing exponentially. Seven of the top 10 posts on /r/all are about fph2.

                                                Barbra Streisand on line 2...

                                                [–]XirallicBolts 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                13000 subscribers in a few hours. Word travels fast.

                                                [–]altxatu 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                It's /r/fatpeoplehate now.

                                                Do the admins really think over 150K people will just go away?

                                                [–]whizzer0In, out, in out, shake it all about... 2ポイント3ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                At least it's restrained to a smaller sub.

                                                [–]_drybone 24ポイント25ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                Go look how many users are there... Streisand in full effect.

                                                [–]firesofpompeii 28ポイント29ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                It's not staying small. The top 3 posts on the front page (/r/all) are about /r/fatpeoplehate2

                                                [–]_drybone 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                It will likely grow larger than the original sub ever was. Hell, I wasn't subbed before but I subbed out of protest.

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                                                  [–]iMini 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                  Eh only 20,000 and only 12,000 sub's. I don't know how big FPH was but I can imagine it was a lot bigger.

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                                                    [–]JerfFoo 46ポイント47ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                    If depressed virgins were treated the same way /u/FPH treated fat people...

                                                    /u/OP: Guys, how do I gain the courage to approach girls? I'm 25, extremely socially awkward, and I've never been in a relationship before or even kissed a girl before. I don't know how to get out of this rut, and it's making me severely depressed. Help?

                                                    /u/SeigneurdesEtrons: You hopeless fucking virgin, just fucking do it. You should be ashamed of being depressed because it ruins your quality of life and the quality of life of everyone that cares about you. Studies show depression is BAD for you, and anyone who isn't shaming/harassing every single depressed virgin out there needs to be shot on sight. DON'T ENCOURAGE THEM. Depressed virgins need to be relentlessly hounded to realize what their behavior ISN'T GOOD FOR THEM. Lets all find and share this fucker's picture and all make fun of him to help him out of his depression.

                                                    [–]gasolinerainbow 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Amazing. Thank you.

                                                    [–]FekketCantenel 23ポイント24ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                    I love this, but would like to contribute a version about depression specifically:

                                                    If depressed people were treated the same way /u/FPH treated fat people...

                                                    OP: Guys, I've lost the ability to enjoy anything in life. I'm 23, dropped out of college because it seemed pointless to finish my degree, and have lost touch with the girl I was dating. I can't afford therapy and wouldn't know where to start if I could. I've also been having suicidal thoughts. Help?

                                                    Responder: You hopeless fucking virgin. You should be ashamed of being depressed because it ruins your quality of life and the quality of life of everyone that cares about you. Studies show depression is BAD for you. And don't give me this 'oh you poor thing, here's a suicide hotline' THAT'S JUST ENCOURAGING THIS BEHAVIOR. You need to be relentlessly hounded until you realize that your behavior ISN'T GOOD FOR YOU. Do you have any idea how happy you're supposed to be? There are abused, oppressed people in the world who would LOVE to be you. If you waste everything you've been given, it's like you're taking food directly out of their mouths. You sicken me, and my 60,000 friends.

                                                    [–]JerfFoo 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                    Reading your comment gave me the most bizarre mix of gleeful joy and sad disappointment ever.

                                                    Love it.

                                                    [–]FekketCantenel 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    :D Glad you liked it! And you deserve credit for the idea seed. Writing it was both triggering and entertaining at the same time. I think I might have discovered a new kind of therapy.

                                                    I've been underweight all my life and contemplated writing a 'guys I'm 85lbs what do I do' version, but while I could come up with a few irritating or hurtful insults, there's no way I'd ever face the same abuse as an overweight person.

                                                    [–]JerfFoo 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    I'm just gonna share this because I think it's super interesting, you ever see the YouTuber FuriousPete? His story from anorexia to budybuilder/professional eater is awesome. This shit right here

                                                    It's bizarre how easily we associate being underweight with mental illnesses/depression, and then heavily harass people who are overweight because 'it's simply their personal choice, and they just need to decide to stop stuffing their faces.'

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                                                        [–]definitelynotaspy 25ポイント26ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                        Dude they were fucking doxxing people. That's a very clear violation of the reddit rules. No personal information. It's like rule #1. Yeah you're gonna get your shit banned when you're using the subreddit to doxx people. How is this a surprise?

                                                        Sidenote: I love how butthurt all the FPH losers are about this. For people who unironically say "muh fee fees!" and complain about how sensitive SJWs are, they sure are easy to rile up.

                                                        [–]RoboticParadox 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        it's almost as though they've been...triggered.

                                                        [–]gasolinerainbow 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                        They're as bad or worse than SJWs most of the time, ime. It's both sad and hilarious at the same time.

                                                        [–]definitelynotaspy 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        They don't even realize that what they're doing is the exact same thing. It's like the GamerGate thing. They complain about how SJWs get upset over nothing when the event that spurned their "movement" was a potentially shady review of a Flash game. Of all the things that are silly to be upset about.

                                                        [–]gasolinerainbow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Ugh, exactly. The worst thing is that when you point out that they're as bad as the people they're supposed to be against, they either launch into ad hominem attacks or (more common) disappear and cut the argument short. Cowards.

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                                                          [–]Fixhotep 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                          FPH did nary brigade

                                                          This is outright false. FPH supporters live in their own magical world. It's pretty fucked up.

                                                          [–]yosemighty_sam 32ポイント33ポイント  (43子コメント)

                                                          TBH I'm glad it's gone. My own feelings about fat acceptance aside, it was a vile sub that crossed many a line of decency, and was taking up tons of space on r/all. I was sick of seeing it. Yeah, fat acceptance is delusional, so is religion, but I hated r/atheism almost as much. When they took it off the defaults I was thrilled.

                                                          [–]MrkJulio 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                          Black people twitter and me irl. They are no diferent and more annoying. More just because they are dumb jokes. Old used dumb jokes.

                                                          [–]crazierinzane 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          I would guess that those aren't gone because they didn't have nearly as much of an outside influence than r/fatpeoplehate.

                                                          [–]yosemighty_sam 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                          Black ppl Twitter I'd be glad to see gone as well. Half racist, all stupid.

                                                          [–]Mean_Typhoon 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                          Shame because when it started out it was pretty funny, at least in my opinion.

                                                          [–]yosemighty_sam 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          In bad Taste, but I agree it had a sense of humor. I think that side was washed out by more hostile intentions though.

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                                                            [–]serenity10 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                            Why not prevent yourself from ever seeing a post from there using RES? I've banned tons of subs from appearing on my /r/all, it's not difficult. FPH is no worse than any cringe subreddit, it's all the same thing essentially.

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                                                              [–]BlackMagister 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                              I didn't follow FPH, but isn't harassment something inherent with becoming a popular hate sub? You look for content that you can post to the sub for karma and hide the names to follow the rules, but I'm sure there is enough context to figure out which tumblr or other page it came from.

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                                                                [–]skullshark54 14ポイント15ポイント  (24子コメント)

                                                                If they actually thought about it they would realize that once they ban the sub the members are just going to go everywhere else on reddit now. So if anything they just helped spread the bad behaviour to the other reddits.

                                                                [–]PotatoSilencer 7ポイント8ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                                                Then eventually those people will be banned and if their really that biazarrely zealous about making other people feel bad some shitty policy change will be made and reddit will become more annoying to use just to shut the hate bridage up.

                                                                Zero tolerance bans for hate speech are pretty common on the interbutt and reddit will add the rule too if people keep pushing that's the nature of this one sided "battle".

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                                                                  [–]dgerard 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                  So given its recent stupendous brigading, how long's /r/kotakuinaction for this world?

                                                                  [–]traizie 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  TiA too

                                                                  [–]Xipeify 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  But you see, it wasn't a brigade! It was simply the enlightened folk of KIA educating planetside players on how they should run their community!

                                                                  /s

                                                                  [–]daimposter 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  People here probably won't agree, but tumblrinaction isn't that much better. I don't go enough to tiA to see if they are actively brigading but it sure seems like it at times.

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                                                                    [–]gasolinerainbow 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                    I am pleased as fucking punch that FPH is gone. That shit was leaking all over reddit. I don't care if they revive the sub, but keep it there and quit harassing people in weight loss subs.

                                                                    [–]AgArgento 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                    anything within legal bounds still goes

                                                                    What about all those rape \ pedophilia etc. subreddits?

                                                                    [–]DoctorWhoWhenHowWhy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    God, the announcement thread is a nightmare to read. Not to mention that the /r/all frontpage is going to be filled with posts from /r/fatpeoplehate2

                                                                    I am glad I came to this thread instead which many of people here are more calm about the situation and honestly, this felt like the only safe place here on Reddit right now.

                                                                    [–]llehsadamI'm not on reddit often. 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                    We will ban subreddits that allow their communities to use the subreddit as a platform to harass individuals when moderators don’t take action. We’re banning behavior, not ideas.

                                                                    I'd say posts getting to the front page should be considered harassment. Since moderators have the option of taking their subreddit off /r/all, I'd say not doing that counts as not taking action.

                                                                    Just my two cents.

                                                                    [–]TeutorixAleria 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    An excellent point I would say. Havin that stuff on /r/all when they are taking other reddit users photos and mocking them is direct harassment. They didn't just keep it on their sub.

                                                                    [–]Derped_my_pants 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    very true

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                                                                      [–]QuartrMastr 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      And still nothing against /r/CandidFashionPolice...

                                                                      [–]EddieIsBored 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      It's great to know that Reddit is dealing with people hating fat people and not other extremely racist subs such as /r/CoonTown and subreddits for watching people die like /r/WatchPeopleDie. Fuck it, why don't we just ban all gore images and porn subreddits? It's clearly affecting Reddit's 'image' so if they're going to get rid of people's opinions and hatreds, they should start here.

                                                                      [–]Advacar 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      From what I understand, those subs keep to themselves and don't harass other people. The banned subs were harassing other people and they'd be fine if they hadn't been.

                                                                      [–]HairlessSasquatch 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      I kinda wish they just left it as it is. Keep the shit lords all congregated in their own subs. Now they will be floating around the rest of the site spreading their shit on the normal, non asshole people

                                                                      [–]_lilPoundcake 8ポイント9ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                                                      to answer any questions to "why SRD/SRS isn't banned?"

                                                                      SRS is small and self-contained for the most part, they did brigade in the past, but currently they don't and this rule was just made now

                                                                      SRD has rules against brigading, bans popcorn pissers and requires .np links. it's also an amusement sub for watching people have meaningless fights, and not for highlighting anyone's bad behaviour

                                                                      other subs like /r/coontown keep to themselves (partially because a lot of subs immediately ban all discussion of it), so under the rules of harassment they get to stay

                                                                      [–]splattypus[S,M] 16ポイント17ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                      Good points. Users from both SRS and SRD are routinely banned* shadowbanned for getting caught up in brigades, but there's enough evidence to suggest the mods do everything a reasonable and prudent person is expected to do to mitigate that behavior in their subs. And deplorable as some may find /r/coontown, they do generally keep to themselves, so while their existence may be offensive, their behavior is at least within the rules set forth by reddit.

                                                                      [–]_lilPoundcake 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                      afaik SRS didn't ban for brigading, but their membership is so small that they don't make for a significant brigade anyway.

                                                                      that is much different to FPH with it's... didn't it have like 150k(EDITED, i made a wild guess) at it's peak? and appeared regularly on /r/all? most upvoted SRS posts lately have around 50 votes.

                                                                      (just to clarify, i'm not against SRS being banned, i'm just explaining why)

                                                                      [–]splattypus[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      FPH was regularly a trending sub and often one of the fastest growing, but I don't think it ever hit 600k subscribers. Source

                                                                      SRS was small and relatively insignificant in regards to influencing voting trends and content. That may have had weight for why it was so overlooked. It's possible that it was easier for admins to go after specific users than to take action against the whole sub. And that may not always be the case going forward either, we'll have to wait and see.

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                                                                          [–]secunda 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                          SRS doesn't have to brigade, they have their "secret cabal of moderators" to just ban people instead. /s

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                                                                              [–]Der_Process 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                              Nobody has yet pointed out that the announcement's explanation for the bans doesn't at all justify the banning of /r/NeoFAG

                                                                              For those not aware of what the sub was, it was an exodus community of people from the gaming forum site NeoGAF, which has notoriously strict politically correct moderators.

                                                                              It was a subreddit dedicated to talking about how shitty the moderators of ANOTHER site were, and was not even about other reddit communities. It was anti-SJW, and it got banned. Why? Is it because it had the word "fag" in its name? Is that the slippery slope we're going to go down now? Banning subreddits with curse words in them?

                                                                              [–]regul 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                              Don't know anything about it, but it sounds like an entire sub based around harassing people (moderators of NeoGAF)?

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                                                                                  [–]RoanHighlandsMan 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  A beautiful butterfly, snatched from the sky and devoured like so much cake.

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