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[–]Sktea1 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

"I see no shame in being violent to be heard. Because if you can't do it peacefully than what other option do you have."

"Everybody is angry. But there is a right and a wrong way to do it. I understand why they're doing it but I don't support it. They're trashing their own place."

"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out? Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then? They don't want to call for peace then. But you know when people really want peace? When the white people have to get out of bed, when cops have to wear riot gear, when the cops start talking about, oh we got broken arms. Then they want peace."

"They shouldn't be doing this, man. We live around here. That was terrible."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/04/28/402739255/on-the-streets-of-baltimore-trying-to-understand-the-anger

[–]crackie_chan 49ポイント50ポイント  (40子コメント)

[–]sidvicc 49ポイント50ポイント  (29子コメント)

Gonna get downvoted to hell for this but this rioting will achieve a hell of a lot more than the protests preceding it did.

The message is simple: justice or the streets will burn. It's a much more significant threat for police and prosecutors to think about when considering how to handle their next dead man in police custody or unarmed man shot dead incident.

You saw South Carolina do the right thing with Slager. They didn't want another Ferguson.

Also the people who can't understand that "they're destroying their own community", Irish republicans held in British Internment camps spread their own excrement on the walls of their jail cells in protest of their condition. Obviously very different situations, but the sentiment is similar.

[–]flantabulous 26ポイント27ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm upvoting you to hell instead. Because you've laid out the simple truth.

As someone who protested several times before the invasion of Iraq, I remember reading they were the largest protests in all of human history according to the Guiness Book. I thought "this will change things".

Bush basically shrugged his shoulders, said "bless their hearts", and began bombing anyway.

There was a video on the front page last night of some guy complaining about how this "makes the black community look."

He says the Million Man March was a better way to deal with things. Honestly, as a news and politics junkie, I was surprised by the pictures of that march, because according to the media, it was not well attended or successful.

Last night, people's frustration and dissatisfaction was duly noted. The brutal truth is that more positive change comes out of yesterday, than came from the MMM.

[–]sidvicc 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the Iraq protests marked a big change in thought for myself too. The problem is also how historical non-violence movement is presented today. Today a peaceful protest goes along a pre-determined route, agreed with the authorities to prevent major disruptions, and ends at an agreed upon time. This is not Non-Violent Protest. This is your right to protest being subservient to the agreements of the very thing you're protesting. You might be non-violent but it is sure as hell not civil disobedience because in your act of protest you're simply obeying.

Gandhi and his followers stopped entire towns and cities from functioning. They had to be beaten and dragged from sit ins, road blocks. He took masses of people to turn sea-water into salt, an illegal act according to British policy in the Raj at the time. It's not like they just sat and marched in legal marches.

[–]lightsaberon 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I remember reading that the protests against the invasion of Iraq were the largest protests in all of human history according to the Guiness Book. I thought "this will change things". Bush basically shrugged his shoulders, said "bless their hearts" and began bombing.

Your vote is the most effective form of protesting that you have. Bush was re-elected.

[–]flantabulous 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can't argue that.

Voting > protesting or rioting.

[–]sidvicc 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

With the skillful gerrymandering going on, the Supreme Court decision on Federal Campaign contributions, and most races turning out to be funding rounds comparable to Silicon Valley, it's starting to feel like the power of the Vote is being eroded too.

[–]Thengine 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

History is written by those that are willing to take up violence in the face of tyranny.

[–]Neglectful_Stranger 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

They didn't want another Ferguson.

A completely justified police action that people blew out of proportion?

[–]uf0777 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes this riot will achieve more than the protests preceding it. Now Baltimore City police know that they dont have the manpower or equipmemt needed to protect businesses from looting and destruction. The looters and rioters have caused a police department to most likely increase the amount of military type gear and equipment in their inventory. They will need more training , personnel and authority to stop this from happening again. Where is the freedom and justice I'm that? Baltimore City police have to deal with people like this, the rioters every day. They will do whatever it takes to protect their officers from being hurt, shiny happy arrests and street stops are not being brought about by the people destroying their city.

[–]boyrahett 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well one on the big problems in US inner cities is lack of investment, so when stuff like this happens who wants to invest there.

So when you hear people say " they're destroying their community" what they mean is we've worked for decades to turn this city around, to convince people to invest in Baltimore, to make it a better place to live, and you're destroying that effort.

After the riots in the sixties businesses just didn't come back to the city, they took the insurance money and relocated, and when that happens it drags everything down.

No one wants to live in a shit hole, the people who can leave do and the ones left behind are the ones who can't.

The answer is to make cities places where people want to live, not make them places where people fear to go.

[–]sidvicc 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

The answer is to make cities places where people want to live, not make them places where people fear to go

And when this happens you get mass gentrification, raising of rent and pricing that drives all the original residents out. Great for the property and business owners but not so good for everyone who was living there in the first place.

The people who are rioting get next to nothing from these investments. They are not written into the plans for the development of impoverished inner city areas. So why the hell should any of these business-owner, property-owner, investor concerns even bother them. Like I said what people are using as "their community" is the physical property infrastructure, very little of which is actually owned by them or is in their interest. Their community has already been destroyed through systemic neglect, marginalization, racism, economic shifts whatever the many many reasons. The point is the shit they are destroying is not seen as "their community". A CVS store doesn't fucking serve them it serves CVS and whoever owns the franchise, who most likely, lives no where near the community.

[–]boyrahett 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not everyone in Baltimore is poor, there are actually some very nice areas of the city, it's not just one big ghetto. The community isn't just poor people, it's all kinds of people.

You're making a mistake in assuming that the people who live there don't own homes and are tenets without any investment in the community or the city.

Sure some are poor, some are very poor, but turning Baltimore into a war zone won't improve their lot, they'll just get poorer.

[–]sidvicc 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The only assumption I'm making is that most of the rioters probably don't live in the nice areas of the city.

Sure some are poor, some are very poor, but turning Baltimore into a war zone won't improve their lot, they'll just get poorer.

Is that why you think they're doing this? To get rich?

[–]boyrahett 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can walk ten blocks and go from nice area to a poor one.

I think different people do things for different reasons, some are gawkers, some get swept up in the moment, some want to take advantage of the chaos to break into stores and steal stuff, some are just angry , and so on.

[–]TheRealRockNRolla 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Indeed. I don't condone or support the rioting, but as a practical matter, it can and will happen when certain criteria are met. Much like in Ferguson, Baltimore has a systematic problem with the police-community relationship. There's no trust there, and for good reason. This kind of explosion doesn't get sparked by just one incident, and it doesn't happen in places that have at least some trust in the system.

[–]itsnickk 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

vicious cycle. law enforcement against the black community, retaliation, and so on.

How will it end.

[–]BushyEyes 15ポイント16ポイント  (10子コメント)

This is honestly terrifying. We live only a mile or two away from all of the stuff going on and really hope that all of this passes soon. I never thought I'd see something like this happening so close to home.

[–]hoosakiwi[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (8子コメント)

I bet. Stay safe and if you want to share any news from on the ground, feel free.

[–]BushyEyes 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

We are staying in. So far, we're just hearing a lot of sirens and helicopters.

The scariest part is that my boyfriend and I are moving on Friday. He worked at CVS and took a leave of absence as of today to facilitate moving. Scanners are now saying that there's looting and destruction right around the block where he would have been working tonight. It's absolutely shocking how close to home all of this is.

I'm really hoping the curfew helps to dispel some of the people who are out just for the sake of destruction.

[–]noobschoolbus 30ポイント31ポイント  (22子コメント)

They burned down a old people's home (senior center apartment complex) nobody was inside, it was being refurbished or something.

I guess they hate old people now.

[–]HopkinsDawgPhD 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was under construction but almost done. It's an incredible shame. It would have been a great addition to that community

[–]Weegoh 33ポイント34ポイント  (13子コメント)

$16M Senior house and community center. They are hurting their own community, one that has struggled to rebuild itself after the last series of riots.

These rioters have no concept of future consequences and how they are hurting both their community and their future.

[–]iwishiwasamoose 24ポイント25ポイント  (6子コメント)

They are hurting their own community

In my opinion, that's the thing that's the most mind-boggling about rioting. This is their city that they are destroying. They are the ones who live there. A couple weeks from now, they'll be the ones who want to go buy groceries or medicine or whatever and will have to drive out of town to get supplies because they've burned their local stores to the ground. They'll see business relocate, neighbors move, and property values fall. People may lose their jobs and their homes. And they are doing it all to themselves, to their own community. I don't get it.

[–]kochevnikov 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

Part of it relates to the inability to articulate the wrong in political terms. The US is an incredibly depoliticized and even anti-political society. When social antagonisms like this arise, there are no political narratives which can turn the wrong into an actual political movement advocating change. Instead the antagonisms remain at a base level, and lacking political articulation, they turn into rage which gets repressed and then comes back up in violent expressions that seem counter productive.

Then there's the looting. There is such a lack of political subjectivization going on that people end up turning what should be a political protest into a reaffirmation of consumerism.

This is not a specific phenomena to this protest either, it's generalizable across the US, and across much of the world. Where political outlets to express the wrong of these problems, and participate in generating solutions are foreclosed, then they get repressed and return as undirected violence or an affirmation of consumerism by other means.

[–]ChillyWillster 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The criminal element of Baltimore banded together to wreak this much havoc. I don't doubt a lot of what is happening was somewhat planned. Destroying the community empowers gangs.

[–]sidvicc 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

they're destroying property, I'd say the community uniting beyond gang lines to demand justice or simply express their anger at systemic marginalization is more empowering than anything else.

[–]Viral12 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

$16M Senior house and community center.

That likely none of the members of the community could afford to put their parents in anyway.

[–]rabidstoat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was a low-incoming senior housing project that a lot of local churches were behind.

The project was to include about 60 senior citizen apartments and a community center. In the works for eight years, the center was to provide behavioral health counseling, support services for people and families with HIV and AIDS, employment training, home and credit counseling, and ex-offender re-entry services, according to documents filed with the state of Maryland.

[–]chefatwork 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Next on Fox News: Why Do African Americans Hate The Elderly?

[–]OccupyGravelpit 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everyone should watch Do The Right Thing.

It's, IMO, the best analysis of the relationship between property damage to innocent people (Sal's shop) and legitimate protest.

Appropriately sad, hard on all the right people, and it doesn't glibly land on 'it's never OK to throw a trash can through a window' -- even when the film highlights the stupidity and inevitability of it all. In a lot of ways, 'is it OK' is just the wrong question to ask in a situation where different people are all being harmed in different ways.

[–]SovereignExile 23ポイント24ポイント  (47子コメント)

Nothing can justify what's going on today.

Generalizing a specific ethnicity because of a casualty to the point that they think violence is necesarry is just fucking wrong. Looting stores and beating civilians who had nothing to do with what happend to that man who died is wrong.

I understand the frustration of reoccuring African American deaths due to excessive force, but this is not how to solve an existing problem. This shit is never the answer.

[–]rhetorical_mice 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

For a second, consider what it's like to live in a community in which the people supposed to protect you instead harass you. And then consider you have very little in the way of job prospects.

Some might consider that a pretty hopeless situation. And people in hopeless situations sometimes lash out. Not an excuse. More of an explanation.

[–]black_ravenous 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Or you could think of it like reverse causality. The community is violent/criminal/disrespectful and the excessive force from the police is a response to that.

[–]shapu 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Crime rates have been falling in Baltimore just like they have the rest of the US. An argument like yours makes some sense in the context of flat or rising crime. But if crime is dropping, should policing continue to be as aggressive, or the perception of it continue to be such? EDIT: or should the police continue to perceive the community as equally violent and dangerous to its perception from 10 or even 5 years ago? I would argue that if the police think Baltimore is as violent as it was in 2004, then they do not understand the city. And that raises a hell of a lot more questions.

[–]SeventhCorridor 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which only makes the community more violent.

[–]rhetorical_mice 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I suggest you learn a little about race in the U.S. and then get back to me about your theory.

[–]GrizTod 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

If this shit happened every time they'd stop doing it. Or at least hold people accountable.

[–]Perniciouss 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

No if it happened every time then we would have more people complaining about our ever increasing prison population.

[–]Redblud 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

And constant fires in the streets.

[–]twoweektrial 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This shit is never the answer.

You say that, but historically it works. Just look at Ferguson; body cameras are sprouting up everywhere now.

[–]devilsadvocate96 3ポイント4ポイント  (27子コメント)

Nothing can justify what's going on today.

Generalizing a specific ethnicity because of a casualty to the point that they think violence is necesarry is just fucking wrong. Looting stores and beating civilians who had nothing to do with what happend to that man who died is wrong.

I understand the frustration of reoccuring African American deaths due to excessive force, but this is not how to solve an existing problem. This shit is never the answer.

An interesting parallel was brought up during the furgesson riots that I think is relevant here too. I'm not condoning rioting, and I'm certainly not advocating violence, but there's a particular instance that was really a series of riots that resulted in a large scale destruction of property. The most famous one was called the Boston Tea Party. They destroyed tons of property over a perceived slight by the government. The point of this comparison is that we tend to present those men as patriots and as heroes. Based on that, I'd have to say that sometimes it is an answer, even when it may not be the best one.

[–]BolshevikMuppet 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

Even as a devil's advocate that's pretty bad.

The destruction caused by the Boston Tea Party pales in comparison to even an hour of this kind of looting and rioting. It threatened no lives.

But perhaps most importantly of all, its harm was directed at the wealthy tea sellers who existed as an arm of the British government.

Want to burn down the Fraternal Order of Police? Shitty, but at least ideologically defensible.

Want to loot a pharmacy? Not so much.

[–]devilsadvocate96 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Even as a devil's advocate that's pretty bad.

The destruction caused by the Boston Tea Party pales in comparison to even an hour of this kind of looting and rioting. It threatened no lives.

Do you know how much damage was caused in the tea party riots? I think by today's standards the tea lost in Boston would have been valued in 7 figures if memory serves, and that wasn't the only riot. I also did not advocate violence against people.

But perhaps most importantly of all, its harm was directed at the wealthy tea sellers who existed as an arm of the British government.

They had a charter from the government, but the government did not own or directly control the East India Company. It was a privately owned company with it's own military force. Consider, the tea act that set off the tea party was the British giving it the right to ship directly to the colonies and duty free export. Why would the British government be taxing an arm of itself?

Want to burn down the Fraternal Order of Police? Shitty, but at least ideologically defensible.

Want to loot a pharmacy? Not so much.

Aside from the fact that riots are not usually planned endevors as far as I know, it doesn't change that in the tea parties they destroyed the property of citizens in protest of government actions. That's the comparison I'm making.

[–]TheRetribution 14ポイント15ポイント  (23子コメント)

No offense but comparing the Baltimore riots to the Boston Tea party is a complete joke.

[–]rpthrow1 8ポイント9ポイント  (13子コメント)

It's pretty absurd a few wealthy merchants started a war over taxes .

The point is saying "never riot" doesn't agree with history. The 13 colonies should of fucking paid their taxes, thousands died over money for a fee.

[–]TheRetribution 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's pretty absurd a few wealthy merchants started a war over taxes .

They didn't start a war over taxes, they started a war over a lack of representation in government. They saw themselves as British citizens and wished to be apart of Parliament. The taxes themselves had little to do with it.

The point is saying "never riot" doesn't agree with history. The 13 colonies should of fucking paid their taxes, thousands died over money for a fee.

It's an incredibly poor analogy for the above reason. We're talking about a country without the ability to govern itself or have any say in it's own governance. By saying they should have "fucking paid their taxes", you're essentially saying "they should have remained a slave state". Also, rioting is not the equivalent of going to war.

[–]MajinV232 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. I don't care how fucking angry or fed up you are with your system, fight it intelligently - you don't do that by destroying businesses and buildings in your own community. The people who are committing these acts are the worst kind of assholes, and it only serves to make things worse for everyone in the long run.

[–]blaze_foley 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

I contend that the cry of "black power" is, at bottom, a reaction to the reluctance of white power to make the kind of changes necessary to make justice a reality for the Negro. I think that we've got to see that a riot is the language of the unheard.

  • Martin Luther King Jr.

[–]krogenth 6ポイント7ポイント  (29子コメント)

Can anyone give a simple tl;dr of what's going on? This is the first I've heard of it.

[–]Thermogenic 19ポイント20ポイント  (6子コメント)

A man died in custody of Baltimore Police with a nearly severed spinal cord. His funeral was today. A riot broke out soon after.

[–]krogenth 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Oh wow, that's horrible :( Thank you for filling me in on what happened!

[–]hoosakiwi[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

There is also a timeline of events in the sticky post :p

[–]Im_gumby_damnit 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know you wanted to say "FFS! Did you even look at the O/P?"

:)

[–]krogenth 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm currently on a crappy public wifi on my phone, sorry if I skipped something that would have told me what happened in the op.

[–]HandSack135 5ポイント6ポイント  (21子コメント)

Excessive force.

African American died

Riots in the streets after peaceful protests

[–]Wildelocke 0ポイント1ポイント  (20子コメント)

Do we know there was excessive force yet? I thought what was known was that they didn't get him medical coverage.

[–]redditSadly 9ポイント10ポイント  (10子コメント)

Broken neck.

meh, walk it off..........

Seriously. They broke his neck - that's excessive by any standard.

[–]RenaldoTohee 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

Do we know there was excessive force yet?

Its excessive to almost sever a man's spinal cord by applying that amount of pressure to his neck. Its prima facie excessive unless you're trying to kill him.

[–]vecnyj 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's unknown how exactly it happened. One theory I've seen is that they intentionally drove so as to throw him around in the back of the van, leading to him breaking his neck.

I can't think of a scenario where the police aren't responsible, though.

[–][deleted] 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

One theory I've seen is that they intentionally drove so as to throw him around in the back of the van

This "rough ride" driving of police prisoner vans is standard practice among police forces around the world. The cops really get a kick out of accelerating/braking/turning at extreme levels, knowing their prisoner is bouncing around in the back with his hands cuffed behind his back. Most police vans don't have seatbelts, just metal benches.

EDIT: Oh yeah hello now Vancouver Sheriffs you know you do it too. So fuck you too.

[–]vecnyj 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah exactly. I'm sure this has happened before and been covered up.

[–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Every prisoner van needs video and audio in the drivers' area and in the prisoner's box behind them. Just like police body cameras. The whole idea is 100% accountability for every second a prisoner is in police custody.

[–]PierreDeLaCroix 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Every prisoner van needs video and audio in the drivers' area

I totally agree - but unless we attack the culture of racism and violence that seems to be so prevalent in these abuses of power all you're going to get is more HD footage of brutality after brutality.

[–]redditSadly 12ポイント13ポイント  (26子コメント)

The events in Baltimore show that this not only an issue of entrenched systemic racism, it's also an issue of class.

The words spoken, and actions not taken by the Mayor and Chief of Police are nearly indistinguishable from those in Ferguson, Toledo, Tulsa, etc.

Think back a couple of years and recall who you were cheering for during the Arab Spring. You weren't cheering for those in power, your cheers and hearts were with the people in the streets. They were the ones that have been systemically oppressed for centuries. When they rose up your hearts rose with them.

The numbers here are not as great, nor the gap as large; but the oppression is there nonetheless and we have a community that is fed-up.

There is no doubt who would be the victor if push comes to shove on the streets of Baltimore. Everyone preaches non-violence, and "peaceful", "compliant", "protests", but little attention is paid without the spectacle of violence and looting.

[–]gogojack 13ポイント14ポイント  (9子コメント)

Think back a couple of years and recall who you were cheering for during the Arab Spring. You weren't cheering for those in power, your cheers and hearts were with the people in the streets. They were the ones that have been systemically oppressed for centuries. When they rose up your hearts rose with them.

The numbers here are not as great, nor the gap as large; but the oppression is there nonetheless and we have a community that is fed-up.

Wow. So much wrong with this.

It was difficult to cheer for those in power during the Arab spring because the rulers of those countries (among them Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, and Syria) were dictators all. Some of them had the thinnest veneer of a democratic process, but as we saw when "those in power" had had enough of the mostly peaceful protests, the security forces moved in and ripped away any pretense that those people were living in anything other than totalitarian states.

Systematically oppressed for centuries? Oddly enough, some of the dictators and/or regimes toppled (or not) in the Arab Spring sprang up when this country was in the middle of the Civil Rights Movement. While America was busy signing the Voting Rights Act and finally rooting out Jim Crow, dictators were rising in the Middle East.

In the intervening decades, African Americans began - albeit slowly and incompletely - to reap the fruits of their struggle. Folks in North Africa and the Middle East were just beginning their latest round of bondage.

Comparing present day Baltimore to Tripoli or Damascus or Cairo or Tunis a couple of years ago is absurd to put it mildly. Baltimore has a lot of problems, but being a dictatorship is not one of them.

Those people who smashed store windows in anger. Those people who set fire to stores. Those people who threw rocks at police and beat civilians? They're not living under anything even remotely like the regimes in Libya or Syria or Egypt.

We cheered for the protestors in the Arab Spring because they were struggling to be free from dictatorship. The looters and rioters in Baltimore are not struggling to be free. They're burning cop cars and smashing store windows and beating up civilians because the freedom to peacefully protest - which they have an abundance of - is not enough to satiate their anger.

[–]redditSadly 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

The people on the streets of Baltimore and other communities in the United States are disenfranchised from the system. period. They are targeted because of race, geography and class. Their worth to the system is fodder for the criminal justice system and to be play the bad guy in the never-ending fear mongering of the Democrats and Republicans, stoking and pandering to white fear.

Like I said, "the numbers here are not as great, nor the gap as large; but the oppression is there nonetheless"

It is there, it is real, and it is plain to see.

Quibble over kibbles, but the fundamentals of race and class are entirely analogous - not equal, which. is. what. I. pointed. out. originally.

[–]BolshevikMuppet 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Think back a couple of years and recall who you were cheering for during the Arab Spring. You weren't cheering for those in power, your cheers and hearts were with the people in the streets. They were the ones that have been systemically oppressed for centuries. When they rose up your hearts rose with them.

Because they had no alternative mechanism for their voices to be heard. They were (literally) disenfranchised. That cannot be said here, in any community.

Argue all the corruption, all of the "OMG they don't listen to us", but if you get 51% of the people in Baltimore on the same page, you will will the mayorship and city council. Get 51% of the state on the same page and you win the governorship and national senate seats.

The "oppression" of anyone in America cannot be compared to the oppression of people in Libya.

[–]kochevnikov 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

If your measure of oppression is simply the ability to vote, then most of the regimes in North Africa that were brought down during the Arab Spring had elections. Sure they were rigged or only one candidate had any legitimate shot at winning, but how is that different from only two parties, with essentially identical views, having a shot at winning in the US? Voting is not in any way empowering, nor does it lead to having issues, like what started the problems in Baltimore, getting solved.

[–]NotHerbert 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

i dont understand your last part, do you think the people would win if push came to shove?

they wouldn't, they wouldn't have one day that even looked like a victory.

edit: i only know of one dude who beat the system (beating the system is dif than playing their game and winning) and that dude said "we must be the change we wish to see in the world". Gandhi beat one of the biggest scariest empires this planet has ever seen, and did it without lifting a finger in violence. Violence begats violence, except when it doesn't

[–]redditSadly 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sorry.

The Police and National Guard would clearly win. I thought it was implicit.

[–]Perniciouss 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They rise up and threw many countries into chaos. I wouldn't use the Arab Spring as your go to analogy.

[–]shard972 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The events in Baltimore show that this not only an issue of entrenched systemic racism, it's also an issue of class.

Great, now if we could get the left in america to stop fucking making every fucking thing about race then maybe thing can start moving forward?

[–]crackie_chan 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]Stainonrug 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/27/exclusive-dr-alveda-king-on-baltimore-riots-mlk-jr-would-be-heartbroken/

EXCLUSIVE: DR. ALVEDA KING ON BALTIMORE RIOTS: MLK JR. WOULD ‘BE HEARTBROKEN’

She recalled what her father said to a group of people when their family home was burned in Birmingham, Alabama. She said he stood on a car and said, “Don’t riot, don’t destroy, go home”—“Go home and pray.”

[–]ilikedirt411 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

What do you all think would have happened if the guy killed originally was white?

[–]garyp714 24ポイント25ポイント  (75子コメント)

Many many protests ends up getting sidetracked by a group of scummy bastards that turn it into rioting and looting, taking advantage of the situation. I remember watching white teenagers turn Iraq war protests into looting swarms.

Same with some of the OWS and same for every sporting event win or loss that becomes a huge mob scene...stores get looted and scumbags take advantage.

Don't fall for the folks that will flock to these threads to make it about 'all blacks' (like they did with Ferguson threads) or 'all liberals' (like they did with OWS threads). There is a very loud and concerted group of racists right wingers on the website that love to muck up any thread about civil disobedience (unless its a Tea Party thread or Clive Bundy threatening the government) and espouse their views about why a handful of looters means all black people and liberals are evil.

[–][deleted] 28ポイント29ポイント  (16子コメント)

I'm by no means a fan of the Tea Party, let's not be intellectually dishonest. Care to show me an instance where Tea Partiers ever rioted and got out of control even like OWS?

[–]seltaeb4 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (13子コメント)

Consider the Bundy Ranch "tacticool" crowd, and all the other White Nationalist/Neo-Confederate jerkwads who whine about "watering the Tree of Liberty with the Blood of Tyrants" while nursing their "Turner Diaries" fantasies about race war/overthrowing the Federal Government.

[–]electric_sandwich 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

How many buildings did they loot and burn to the ground?

[–][deleted] 7ポイント8ポイント  (8子コメント)

All 20 of the Bundy Ranch? Or the less than 200 crazy douchebag militant white supremacists living up in Idaho and Oregon?

Still haven't started any riots. And since I suspect that your next move will be to bring up the Oklahoma City bombing, let's remember that was the work of 3 people.

Let's recall Weather Underground, or any other number of leftist terrorist groups that enjoyed bombing in the 70s. And these bombers are lauded in the progressive circles even today (Ayers).

edit: in reality, the number of those militant douchebags is probably less. Still, those idiots are more concerned about being attacked, not going on the offensive.

[–]caelumh 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

I seem to recall a pair of those Bundy Ranch crazies shooting up a mall in Nevada.

[–]Occupy_RULES6 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

All right wingers are racists stereotypes and stereotyping is bad.

Get it? See the irony?

[–]vecnyj 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

civil disobedience

Rioting is not civil disobedience.

[–]Perniciouss 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And the point of civil disobedience was to take your punishment for the laws you feel to be unjust. Stealing and running away is not civil disobedience.

[–]BagOnuts 3ポイント4ポイント  (20子コメント)

Why am I not surprised that the top comment in this thread is blaming the Tea Party and "right wingers" for something? I get that this is r/politics, but Jesus Christ, not everything is the fault of conservatives, people.

[–]AlaskanPipeline04 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just look what sub you're in. Don't you understand that all of this countries woes are because of right wingers and only Dear Leader Sanders can rid us of this bad?

[–]todayilearned83 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

[–]Occupy_RULES6 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was written before these riots.

Do you really think you are going to get an unbiased perspective from that source? They are clearly pushing an agenda. What ever peaceful protesters there were, they are gone now.

[–]TheLostPotato -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yep, it's always like this. Peaceful protest are not as good for ratings.

[–]sidvicc 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not as good for real change either.

[–]Redblud 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Which is why OWS failed.

[–]sidvicc 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No Justice, No Peace.

It's not something to shout in a protest rally, it's a call to arms. It's something you have to make into reality, until it becomes literally: No justice = No peace.

[–]FreedomsPower 12ポイント13ポイント  (43子コメント)

There are two things that have upset me.

  1. Those who are exploiting the killing of an unarmed man to commit illegal acts

  2. The Media outlets like FOX that continue to ignore the issues that led to such out breaks of violence to score political points or to stereotype/slander civil rights groups. There is more to this then just the killing of one person. A politcal opportunists like Fox News are exploiting this to scapegoat their laundry list of enemies.

I've seen interviews with people in the area affected who are shocked at the out break of looting and violence. I've seen Activist who are critical of the the killing have asked for calm and to not riot.

Yet there are going to be those politcal opportunist on the Far Right that will continue to exploit this for politcal reasons and/or to race-bait the civil rights community. To sum things up The coverage issue has been very baised

[–]jthmia 54ポイント55ポイント  (13子コメント)

So you see bias in Fox news, but you believe there is no bias in CNN's or MSNBC's reporting of this issue? They pushed the hands up don't shoot narrative, which was later proven to be false, and helped light the fuse for this whole situation over 1/2 a year ago. Do you really think MSNBC's coverage of this entire cascading series of events over the past 8 months or so has been anything but biased?

[–]Uncanny6 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you watching Fox now? See how they just cut that street interview short when she started getting to the core of the issue? It's ridiculous how ALL msm media outlets fail to dive deeper then the surface

[–]BigCat9000 21ポイント22ポイント  (17子コメント)

To sum things up The coverage issue has been very baised

Yeah, it's almost like the mainstream media wasn't addressing the fact that some black people were robbing stores and vandalizing property until Maryland declared a state of emergency.

The Media outlets like FOX that continue to ignore the issues that led to such out breaks of violence to score political points or to stereotype/slander civil rights groups.

The people robbing convenience stores and stealing from reporters are not acting out of some sense of social justice or grief over the death of someone in police custody. They're looking to get free shit. It's actually pretty straightforward.

[–]Uncanny6 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you watching Fox now? See how they just cut that street interview short when she started getting to the core of the issue? It's ridiculous how ALL msm media outlets fail to dive deeper then the surface. EDIT wrong reply.

[–]FreedomsPower -3ポイント-2ポイント  (15子コメント)

maybe you should go out of your politcal bubble for a bit. you'd be surprised the other factors at play here

[–]Perniciouss 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like one of America's top ten most dangerous cities having a violence problem? As soon as I heard this was in Baltimore I knew what was going to happen. Not because of the police, but the fact that many people living there are not concerned about the wellbeing of others.

[–]Nine_Line 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

Like Democratic control of a city since the '60s and their resultant failed policies?

[–]sarsin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sure Hillary has been to Baltimore, so you better tie her in too. Never miss an opportunity to turn everything into a right/left battle.

[–]weevil_boy 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Before I actually take time to reply in a meaningful way I want to make sure that you're actually arguing that the people who robbed the stores and set them on fire are acting for a movement and cause of some kind, not just taking things. Before I waste my time I want to make sure you're serious about that.

[–]BigCat9000 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yes. Look at all the factors you listed. Also notice how you have nothing to say in response to the fact that this bullshit wasn't being reported on the mainstream media until Maryland declared a state of emergency.

[–]Ballbuster0909090909 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was watching this on CNN atleast 3 hours before the declaration

[–]FreedomsPower 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

that is indeed part of the problem. Something the mainstream media should be held accountable for. I never said they mainstream media is innocent in this

[–]cryptonomitron 1ポイント2ポイント  (19子コメント)

If anyone would like to learn about Freddie Gray for context, I recommend Democracy Now's report from Thursday.

[–]BuzzWeedle 4ポイント5ポイント  (13子コメント)

I just looked up "freddy gray criminal record", and to say the least, it was pretty extensive.

[–]cryptonomitron 3ポイント4ポイント  (12子コメント)

I don't know who Freddie Gray is and I assume you are right. What happened to him shouldn't happen to anyone.

[–]RomanNumeralVI -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

No one yet knows what happened to him.

When you fight the police you may end up dead. If someone intentionally or negligently killed him then they should be put on trial. If he was killed in the fight accidentally, why should anyone care?

[–]SpudgeBoy 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

When you fight the police you may end up dead.

So, do you think the police were lying when they said he was arrested "without force?"

[–]RomanNumeralVI 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Most likely. I don't imagine that this is true.

[–]SpudgeBoy 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

So, then who used force, aka fought? Because no cops had injuries and this guy had a broken back.

Not to mention the Baltimore PDs history of violence. The city has paid out $5.7 million in the past 4 years, due to police brutality.

[–]RomanNumeralVI 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

If a crime was committed then there should and will be a trial. If guilty, we then all want a murder conviction.

The job of the police is to be violent when necessary. Of course they have a "history of violence".

[–]SpudgeBoy 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Their history of violence is the illegal use of force, not the proper use of force. Jeebus.

[–]RomanNumeralVI 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, and some of the police have long used illegal force.

I'm not yet convinced that it wasn't something that happened in the fight.

I'm more upset that these officers took down a suspect without probable cause. I have no doubt that he was selling heroin and that he ran to toss the drugs. I just think that he managed to do this successfully and then got killed in the fight that the officers started without any legal cause.

[–]reaper527 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

if anyone would like to learn about anything, i would recommend ignoring democracy now's existence and using credible sources instead.

[–]hoboballs 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

They certainly have a liberal slant but I wouldn't say they're not credible

[–]cryptonomitron 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

We all have our own politics. We need critical views, not hasty generalizations.

[–]EddViBritannia 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Firstly as a clear disclaimer i'm English, and as such am an outside observer looking in.

I've observed the USA for a long time, I enjoy viewing your history, your cultures, your politics. Yet time and time again, with George Zimmerman, with Ferguson and now Baltimore; I see something I don't see anywhere else. Throughout history as well as in almost all countries we have today. We see culture drawn up along roughly along ethnic lines, but nothing quite like the African American community.

African American culture appears to lives in isolation from the rest of Americas culture. Obviously no to the extent of something like the Amish, but still rather extreme compared to others. I'm going to, perhaps foolishly, try compare this to something a bit closer to home for me. The Pakistani and Indian cultures exist in the UK today, yet they are I would argue fully integrated as part of British culture. From our food, to our music, to our very language; they stand as a proud part of British culture.

Yet lets hop back across the pond in America. African American culture appears to stand separate, as an individual, with race often being the only requirement for induction. It's a culture that breeds the violence, the barbarism, the uncivil actions we see today. It's a culture borne out of resentment for white people, fed a rhetoric of victim-hood, of oppression. Something that champions people who are violent, who are savage, who strike back at the white man.

But why is it so segregated? Slavery is the most likely explanation, as blacks were mostly put into the same social-economic situation at the bottom of the food chain. A chain hard to climb up that black people hav often found those most similar not ot be along lines of class as seen in the UK. But along color. Not every black is part of African American Culture, in fact far from it, a lot aren't. I fear my naming of it as such will muddy the issue further.

What i'm attempting to say is that this is a culture issue, a culture full of almost entirely blacks, but not because of their skin color, but because of their history, their isolationism and their nationalism not on ideals but instead their skin color.

It may seem like an oxymoron but African American culture is acting like this because of segregation economically and socially due to historical Slavery, and refusal to integrate into wider American society (though American society has obviously not made it easy for them in the past to try this). As such many blacks end up in a culture that destorys their chances of suceeding their parents, of affecting wider sociaty, intergrating their ideals as part of the larger social makeup. Instead they see the world simply through skincolor, because for many; that is all they have left.

TLDR: African American culture is separate from wider america due to historical reasons causing economic deprivation and as such the majority of blacks are part of this culture, this culture has then go on to have toxic traits that cause situations like Baltimore thus further pushing them from the rest of America.

PS. I hope not to offend anyone and these are only my ideas and observations, if anyone thinks this is racist I apologies and would be happy to discuss it with you so hopefully I can explain my point better. For those who disagree give it to me straight and rough (No innuendo intended) as I am happy to take criticism and my opinion and theory can be changed, or maybe I can change yours too. :)

[–]roboticphish 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think you're very much onto something. America's history has always been a story of a nation divided, and it also intertwines with your own country's background. 13 colonies, united against Britain until splitting into a side with slaves and a side without. It was deemed to be too much to ask for: The southern states' economy was too based on the slave trade and it was thought their economy would collapse without it. One America became two.

For what it's worth, I think they were right. The south was almost totally agricultural, and the technology to farm it efficiently hadn't been invented yet. The only way to make it work was human labor, and the natives were being systematically exterminated in the 200 years of American Expansion. No one could emaciate the native Americans, starving them for a three month trip across the sea until they were sold, chained and weak, to businessmen who saw only their bodies. But the Africans would have their spirits broken as they were coerced or ripped from their homes by the British.

It only got worse in the South. Completely reliant on the slave trade, Africans in America eventually developed their own culture. It was never truly British (or American, by this point), but no longer African. They bonded together as a community, experiencing extraordinary suffering and injustice and punished wildly for bravery or standing up to their masters. Two Americas became three.

The Civil War happened over it, and America came the closest to greatness it had ever been. Lincoln had won, the side supporting civil rights had prevailed. But, as a political move to gain the support of the border states during the war (especially Maryland and Virginia as they surrounded the capitol), Lincoln was elected with the help of his running mate, the conservative Andrew Johnson. When Lincoln was killed, we lost our chance to do the right thing. A lone violent white man killed the man who had united the nation. His replacement was much more sympathetic to the South, and instead of total liberation, we passed laws allowing segregation. We couldn't own them anymore, so we tried removing them from us. Two Americas sharing the same place, but separated by an invisible line.

Eventually segregation became systemic. African-American culture was being made by the rules to feel inferior and worthless, but in a much more subtle and passive way. No longer could we hold up a slave worked to death, instead we prevented them from working at all. They got shit jobs, as entertainers or service members. The lowest rung of society, whose income and livelihood depended on kissing the white man's ass.

Eventually segregation came to an end too. African Americans had fought side by side with white men in the world wars. They were equal, for all intents and purposes, but when they came home they were still separate. Others felt the sting of police brutality, gang and mob violence, and systemic indifference here at home and grew bitter and angry towards the system. In the 60s, those two African American cultures were personified by Malcolm X and MLK Jr. They were champions of the community, who got people to pay attention. One fought with radical extremism, anger, and guerilla politics. The other fought with public relations, peaceful protests, and mass media. Nothing changed until they were both shot in the head.

Side note: JFK was also shot in the head here, and my personal favorite conspiracy theory is that all three assassinations were the machinations of a coup organized by Lyndon Johnson, among others. I really like this theory even if it isn't true

Civil Rights was passed. As of 1964, African Americans are, in every legal way, equal to everyone else in America. But now we're in a phase where the African American community is going through an identity crisis. Every person of european decent knows where their family is from. It may go back hundreds of years. Not so for Africans. They have only a history of oppression and ruthless brutality. They have equality, but as a community they have absolutely no idea of what that means. And neither does the rest of America. It's not like we had a plan for black people being equal. We thought that if they were to be free, then they would just take on the elements of American culture like its rules, systems, and beliefs. But they haven't. They don't identify with White America. They have changed their speech to differ from how white people in America talk (it is slowly evolving into its own language. It's actually quite fascinating from a linguistics standpoint), they have their own fashion and stereotypes, beliefs and traditions. They are Americans, but they are still separate. They don't have much in common with the people who kept them down for hundreds of years.

And the worst part? Things are getting so much better between common men. Racism isn't acceptable (even if no one can agree on what is and isn't racist), there is overwhelming support from people of both races to come together and live as one America. We need to reach out to each other, especially the rioters. We need to listen to them, we need to help them. Their children aren't getting educated, they have no hope, there is something wrong and nobody is stepping up to fix it.

You may or may not have read this, but that's a brief and condensed history of the third American culture. A tremendously complex and fascinating subject.

[–]AC_Mobius 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

This was an extremely interesting write-up, thank you for this.

[–]MacBethWay 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its not a black-white thing entirely either.

From my experience, first or second generation Africans and West Indians do very well economically and socially, and do not have nearly the kind of problems that African Americans seem to face.

[–]BuzzWeedle 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

The problem is that this isn't a reason to riot. This dude committed multiple crimes, including but not limited to, assault, trespassing, robbery, possession of dangerous substances, etc. This man is a criminal. Yeah, he shouldn't have died, but it isn't because he is black, and it certainly isn't a reason to punish everybody else. I mean, seriously? Burning houses and cars, looting, killing people? Yeah, that will make things better. And the reason why they think it is injustice is because that is how the news spins it. I read an article on CNN where it said that "he was arrested for no reason". But he was. He's a criminal.

[–]gintonicisntwater 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

The death is not the reason for the riot. It's an occasion. The reasons are poverty, disenfranchised people, discrimination, rampant crime, violence by police, gang culture, no future.

[–]Eurip1des 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAuhm-MzN4Y

At what point does this become a valid means of protest?

[–]crzymt12 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You'd have to ask the guy who did it, but I'm willing to bet most people are not in favor of cutting fire hoses.

[–]AlfaWalf 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

I have no idea what to feel about this any longer. On the one hand, it's just ridiculous to think that riots of this scale are just happening because some black people want to loot. This is obviously coming from somewhere. And when people are this pissed, they don't act rationally (and no, in no universe is trying to burn down your own city rational. Not going to debate that one) So I do get it, to some extent.

But these are the same types of people who are STILL, to this day, demanding Darren Wilson somehow be thrown in jail for shooting Michael Brown. Despite literally every shred of evidence (and a lot of the eyewitness testimony) disproving virtually every facet of the "hands up, don't shoot" story.

So at some point I have to just wonder if the people rioting are just SO pissed off at how they perceive black people are treated in the US that they're just determined to find something to get angry about. Don't get me wrong, I don't see HOW Freddie Gray's death wasn't directly caused by the BPD. There's just no alternative theory that makes sense. But Baltimore's police force is 40% black, with a black mayor. What exactly are they hoping to accomplish with this?

[–]heyimchandler 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm totally confused here too. I mean definitely, he shouldn't have died, there was obvious use of excessive force. However, I also think that these riots are completely off-base, and I feel like all these protesters want is to promote an "us vs. them" mentality.

[–]Knighthonor 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

so what should the Black People do about this injustice?

[–]heyimchandler 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Vote, call-in to their representatives, hold endless sit ins, marches, peaceful protests, be more politically active overall. Trying to fix their problems in a civil manner will work exponentially better than rioting in the streets.

[–]MacBethWay 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its actually 55% black.

[–]Knighthonor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

“It is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots…..without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention…… a riot is the language of the unheard.”

–Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

[–]revelever 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey folks. I'm trying to find out how exactly the riots started, and mainstream media is a little vague about how it happened. Does anyone know if this article is accurate? Tl;dr it says that in response to the "purge" threat that circulated on social media police actually prevented students from leaving for home after school by many routes, which trapped students in a small area and escalated the situation into a riot. Thoughts? Here's the story: http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/how-baltimore-riots-began-mondawmin-purge

[–]PigPenBlues -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No wonder the Colts moved to Indianapolis.

[–]seltaeb4 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (8子コメント)

If this story involved the Cliven Bundy Militia acting out, would it be granted a special post by the Mods?

I think we all know the answer.

[–]SeeBoar 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did the Cliven Bundy Milita have a state of emergency declared in a major city? oh they didn't? So how is this comparable

[–]DogBoneSalesman -1ポイント0ポイント  (14子コメント)

If you are a peaceful protestor I say right on. If you are a looter or someone who is destroying property I say fuck you cunt and I hope you get arrested.

[–]let_them_eat_slogans 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm confused, why is this a sticky in /r/politics? I'm surprised the mods even consider it on-topic.

[–]Bipolarruledout -5ポイント-4ポイント  (12子コメント)

This should not be surprising and is the expected outcome in the country and around the world as conditions continue to tighten for the proletariat.

[–]BigCat9000 5ポイント6ポイント  (9子コメント)

I'm sure the people robbing convenience stores and setting fires are very concerned about class politics. Just look at all the poor white people doing the same thing.

[–]garyp714 12ポイント13ポイント  (7子コメント)

Every protest that happens is taken advantage of by criminal folks that come and make a good protest into an excuse to loot and riot.

White people do it during sporting events (Vancouver) they did it during the Iraq war protests (I was there and saw the white teenage kids looting), they did it during several of the OWS protests...and on and on.

The problem with your comment here and in other threads is refusing to see this nuance and making blanket statements that ignore the bad eggs versus good and honest protestors.

[–]BigCat9000 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (6子コメント)

refusing to see this nuance and making blanket statements that ignore the bad eggs versus good and honest protestors.

Important distinction here:

There are protestors. These are people who walk down the street with signs chanting.

There are people who steal from convenience stores and vandalize property. These people are interested in getting free shit and fucking shit up.

I'm not sure what nuance you're looking for here. Also, if you're watching any of the coverage, and if you look really, really closely, you'll see that there aren't too many white people out there stealing shit and setting things on fire. Please feel free to share any screencaps you have proving otherwise.

[–]garyp714 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

You said:

Just look at all the poor white people doing the same thing.

As if poor white people and white people in general never riot or loot. I am telling you they do and have given you examples.

[–]roboticphish 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just wait until robots take over all the menial jobs.

You think things are bad now?