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[–]MadSaintAlice 137ポイント138ポイント  (26子コメント)

As much as I'm bothered by the inconsistencies of religion, this isn't really one of them.

One of the central ideas of Christianity is repentance and forgiveness. In Christian lore, God is omniscient, so he'd know if the murderer's repentance was false, and not offer him redemption. So in this situation, the murderer has realized what he has done was awful and repented.

The idea is that since the person has changed, hating them for who they used to be is in fact counter productive. Its healthier to forgive, let go, and move on. Letting resentment fester only serves to poison your own happiness. Since everyone in heaven is supposed to be happy, forgiveness allows you to let go of negative emotions and redemption allows the redeemed to move on from their past mistakes, no matter how horrible.

There is a lot of problematic thinking in religion, but I don't think this concept is a good example.

[–]DirtySouth420 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you said this perfect

[–]Bitemarkz 0ポイント1ポイント  (16子コメント)

I don't think this concept is a good example.

I don't think I'd be willing to forgive the guy who murdered my family no matter how much he's changed. Does that make me the bad person? That's pretty ass-backwards to me.

[–]JayGatsby727 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

He wasn't saying that non-forgiveness makes one a "bad person", but that forgiveness would make one a better person.

[–]by_a_pyre_light 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Batman never forgave his parents' murderer, and it made him a pretty awesome person.

Checkmate, forgivers.

[–]lacheur42 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nah, you're human. I think the point is that god's capacity for forgiveness is infinite, if there is true repentance. I don't think god would expect you to forgive as well.

Although I'm not a religious person, so anyone with more knowledge feel free to correct me.

[–]Bitemarkz 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

So then the scenario presented in the image isn't all that flawed, as the original commenter would suggest.

[–]lacheur42 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, except that if we're assuming a nice omnipotent god, he probably would figure out some way to keep you separated if he knew it would cause you pain.

[–]Barzano 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

It doesn't make you a bad person, but it's healthier to work to move past it. At least, that's what I'm getting from it. I also don't think it's an inconsistency, especially since there's such a small portion of the population who are antisocial and actually feel no remorse.

[–]Kadour_Z -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

If we are expected to forgive someone who killed our families, why doesn't god forgive people who doesn't belive in him?

[–]icanhazlurk 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because you can't forgive someone who isn't sorry for what they've done?

[–]Bitemarkz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Apathy and religion aren't mutually exclusive.

[–]Barzano 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually, from what I understand, you can't be condemned from a lack of faith. Popes have disagreed on that, but I was educated by Jesuits, and they were always really progressive. I was taught that a lack of faith is an obstacle in life, but it wasn't damnation. On the contrary, we were pushed by some theologians to disprove God, so that we could understand that Faith is faith, and Science is science, which was at the core of a lot of lessons so that we could take the bible as a metaphor, and not literally.

[–]bullett2434 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He can and does, that was the entire point of the prodigal son story.

[–]isestrex 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you are asking a Christian what they teach, the answer is that being un-willing to forgive is indeed "being a bad person". But Christ accepting the punishment for that allows you to be in heaven... just as he took the eternal punishment for the murderer.

The major concept to wrap your head around is that Christianity believes that all sin (i.e. mistakes, evil) is equal in God's eyes. A little child telling a white lie to a teacher is in equal need of Jesus as the person who murders a family in their beds. To those that repent and accept Jesus, all are welcome. To those that refuse, none are welcome.

[–]throweraccount -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

He murdered your family AND YOU... if that doesn't throw you over the unforgivable line I don't know what will.

[–]sonicon -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

What if you found out you were playing a simulation you made along with everyone as one mind? Wait, then there's no one to forgive.

[–]DragonSlaayer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh no, this idea is totally wrong in my eyes.

Why would I not just commit all the crimes I want at one point in life (whether it's stealing, murdering, whatever), know that it is wrong, and then just repent later? I can truly repent because I know what I did was wrong, and I can become sorry for what I did as I get older. Bam, heaven.

Now consider this example. There is a man who commits a heinous crime when he is twenty five and gets away free, then dies two weeks later in a car crash and goes to hell.

But, if that man wouldn't have died, he would have repented for his sins at the age of thirty and would have gone to heaven, because he had changed.

Let's be honest here. The idea that life on earth being a "test" and passing gets you heaven and failing gets you hell is the most ridiculous and blatantly UNFAIR test possible.

  1. God knows who will pass and who will fail, and he has for all eternity.

  2. God creates (or, at least, lets them come into existence) the humans who he knows will fail, and lets them spend eternity in hell.

  3. Why do babies die and not get a chance at accepting Jesus?

  4. Why are there people who live full lives *without ever even hearing about the Christian religion or Jesus's name? *

  5. Why are there people indoctrinated with the idea of Jesus and Christianity? They essentially get a free pass into heaven.

  6. Why are there people indoctrinated with different religions? That's not fair at all, they're going to spend their whole life believing just as strongly in their religion as any Christian believes in Christianity, and yet be damned in death to an eternity in hell.

No matter how you look at it, if this Christian god is real and made heaven the reward for believing in him and hell the punishment for not believing in him, he is the most evil creature literally imaginable, because he sends people to where you suffer more than humans could fathom for eternity.

The notion that people worship this god is a joke.

[–]ghrelly 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

The idea is that since the person has changed, hating them for who they used to be is in fact counter productive. Its healthier to forgive, let go, and move on. Letting resentment fester only serves to poison your own happiness.

That is an EXTREMELY biased opinion that is not really representative of reality.

[–]PureImbalance 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

why? If you hold onto your grudges, like for example about your bully in high school, it will only make you less happy. The bully probably doesn't give a shit. So forgive him and move on.

[–]Zyhoxem -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

We all know. Most of the ones upvoting this won't even read your comment because it's too long or not edgy enough. Down with religion and bed times!

[–]Eromu 187ポイント188ポイント  (102子コメント)

Honestly if you were truly in paradise would you even care if you were murdered in your mortal life? Paradise should be awesome, right?

[–]Mildy_Annoyed 48ポイント49ポイント  (21子コメント)

I wouldn't want to be in paradise. My family will be there. For.All.Eternity.

[–]poppzE 5ポイント6ポイント  (17子コメント)

But also 72 virgins right, or is that the other heaven?

[–]snotbag_pukebucket 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

But also 72 virgins

Hmm... Does the woman become one of the 72 virgins when they go to heaven?

[–]Mildy_Annoyed 25ポイント26ポイント  (5子コメント)

Nobody said 72 virgin women.

[–]seemedlikeagoodplan 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Disappointment.... Disappointment everywhere.

[–]zveroshka 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even if it was women, could be all ugly and fat.

[–]kirkland3000 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

So that version of heaven could potentially be a small scale reddit?

[–]therealghostbusters 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, so like it's a lan party?

[–]lovesamoan 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's a never-ending virgin-producing factory up there for those guys. Everyone knows that

[–]rjung 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What do the women get? Unlimited charge accounts at Nordstrom's?

[–]Lots42 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Honestly, I'd rather have 72 women who know what they hell they are doing.

[–]drioqka 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

found the guy who doesnt take control in bed

jk love u reddit brah

[–]departingR08 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's the one with the sand and oil. Maybe has a beach?

[–]VaginalBurp 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

uh......male or female virgins.

Response time crucial.

Kind of on a ticking clock here, champ.

[–]knigitz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This seems like a very disproportionate number. Won't they eventually run out of virgins in heaven? How do they get more virgins in heaven?

[–]GoTuckYourbelt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's a unique heaven for everyone. A unique heaven with a spacetime curvature not unlike ones near black holes, resulting in the passage of time being slowed down until time no longer passes perceivably to an outside observer.

[–]theRailisGone 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not if that would ruin it.

[–]shepards_hamster 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But if it's paradise, can you control who you can chill with?

[–]Poemi 68ポイント69ポイント  (50子コメント)

That's what I came here to say. Existing in paradise, in a state of immortal, blissful union with the loving and forgiving creator of all things, being able to perceive the universe and the nature of infinity, seems like it would preclude feelings of resentment.

[–]snotbag_pukebucket 23ポイント24ポイント  (11子コメント)

Do you think there's internet in paradise?

[–]man_on_hill 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure. But comments are disabled. Boy, that would be amazing.

[–]sitting-duck 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you think there's internet in paradise?

Could be.

[–]JuanTaco69 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

with the dankest memes

[–]knowses 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just don't log in to the the forbidden internet of knowledge of good and evil. The password is $#&>#\÷

[–]dirtyjersey84 12ポイント13ポイント  (10子コメント)

Yeah but you'd have to lose all of the personality that makes you for that to happen. You are who you are because of your biological needs, how you've developed and the choices you made in your finite capacity. These are all measurable qualities derived from biological processes and environment.

In order to "love" everything and everyone unconditionally or without needing any biological stimulation/sustenance you'd basically be a lobotomized slug.... Wandering aimlessly attached to some thing that made you and is obsessed with keeping you going with no further purpose then it's own desire.

No matter which way you cut it you can't still be any of the unique things that make you a person in eternal "paradise"

[–]Poemi 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

The idea is that your soul is the foundation for that "personality" you're talking about. Its core nature is spiritual, though while it is bound to the flesh, the flesh influences it.

But in theory you can remove the flesh from the soul. The soul would still recognize itself as itself, even though it would recognize that it was no longer the same. There's nothing unworkable about that idea.

Without the flesh, you'd no longer have the needs, worries, and pleasures of the flesh...but you'd be more highly attuned to the needs and pleasures of the spirit. You'd remember the flesh, but you wouldn't miss it.

[–]wbgraphic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ignorance is bliss, right?

[–]Sletts 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

One would argue that you aren't trying to be "you". Maybe your basic personality can remain in-tact, but it would evolve into a higher form of being. One that lives in a sort of "blissful nonexistence" if that makes any sense.

As you say, a lot of who you are today are because of earthly needs (though I'd argue a lot of what your personality has become can be retained without any more need for anything on a biological level). So you lose the part that is tied with your earthly needs, but you gain a new part which is unfathomable to our current minds and can fulfill any longing for your earthly counterpart that you may have had.

I mean, in order for it to be paradise, it'd have to work this way right?

[–]jij -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Or maybe we become quantum dragons! Oooo, its fun to play make believe and pretend that when we die we don't really die!

[–]joeshill 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I like my resentment. It comforts me. It warms me on a cold night. If you, or anyone were to take my resentment away from me... I'd. I'd... I'd resent it.

[–]Poemi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey, that's a nice Swingline stapler you've got there. I'm just going to borrow it for a minute.

[–]4_and_noodles 0ポイント1ポイント  (16子コメント)

I would at least take a shit inside the dude's gold house

[–]Ovedya2011 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

Do we shit in the afterlife?

[–]4_and_noodles 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Good point. I'd have no digestive system, or an asshole for that matter. I guess I would just squat and make fart noises in his gold house.

[–]Ovedya2011 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

That'll show 'em!

[–]4_and_noodles 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He'll rue the day he killed me!

[–]Manhattanbluemonkey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How would you make fart noises if you don't have a... ... oh wait, fart noises with your mouth. Right?

[–]seemedlikeagoodplan 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, the bible describes it as a great feast pretty often. I can't imagine eating and not eventually having to shit. Then again, this is a wonderful realm beyond our wildest dreams, so maybe we won't.

[–]Ovedya2011 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A wonderful feast to me would include chili sauce, which plays hell on my bowels.

[–]Lots42 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only if you want to.

[–]Poemi 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Well, you'd be forgiven, so why not.

[–]Dhylan 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

So do anything you want in your life.

Ain't religion great?

[–]Poemi 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

I think the theological explanation is that mortal sins still scar your soul, or something. So it's not exactly license to do whatever you want, although--like any set of laws--there are loopholes that can be abused.

[–]seemedlikeagoodplan 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

The theological explanation I'm most familiar with is that when someone becomes a Christian, God changes them and changes their desires. (Often very slowly.) The bible talks about God "taking away their heart of stone and giving them a heart of flesh". And it's this new nature, new desires, "new heart" that leads people to act in righteousness rather than evil.

For most of us it's a pretty slow process though.

[–]Poemi 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

There are many philosophies with a similar theory. The Greek Stoics, to take one example, believed that living according to the laws of "nature" (not hippie nature like Thoreau, but more like "natural law") would align a person's inner being/soul/spirit in such a way as to magnify the benefits of that same natural law. Accepting natural law changed a person's desires and reactions to adversity in a way that was beneficial to everyone.

[–]seemedlikeagoodplan 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes, the main difference between that and the Gospel is that the Gospel says you cannot change your own nature. No matter how badly a cactus wants to become an apple tree, it cannot make itself an apple tree or turn its thorns into apples. Only a gardener can come and replace the cactus with an apple tree.

[–]dirtyjersey84 11ポイント12ポイント  (10子コメント)

I mean logistically paradise is a meaningless concept within Christian theology. Tl;dr would be this sort of paradise sounds like some nightmarish hell to me...or at least no one can be the person they are as they are there, in which case what's the point... Lobotomized wondering souls?

Almost all of what humans attribute to happiness is in some way derived from basic biological needs.

Love, companionship, pride etc. They are all empirically measurable to some extent. Oxytocin, dopamine etc.

This "paradise" where you'd love everyone with out the need for sex, food, children, friends, family or a cause to call your own would be impossible with the brain you have.

It's basically impossible to somehow not need those things and retain any humanity in the first place.

[–]Rokksolidrees 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well the "Christian idea of paradise" would mean we are all a part of God and he can fulfill us in every way we could possibly need. We would also have our bodies and should purified. It's not something that could be understood by us who are bound to the needs you're speaking of. By t this it's the funny shredding, so let's not get to serious, just accept this photo for how it was intended to be, funny(whether you find it that way out not). :P

[–]scotttech1 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

why would there be no food or sex in heaven? God created those things for us. Seems to me we would have them.

edit: with your husband or wife

edit2: not food, I mean sex

edit3: not no food, we would have food, but only sex with our wives or husbands

[–]thewileycoyote123 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Delicious, chocolate covered sex. With my wife. Got it.

[–]scotttech1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

now you've got the right idea! see heaven can be fun!

[–]Theory5 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well, if its paradise why wouldn't you be able to have as many partners as you like, yet still maintain a close relationship with your significant other? I mean, orgies without worrying about medical issues like STD's sounds like paradise!

[–]scotttech1 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

bible dude, it still applies, probably, you're on your own with that one, ask God

[–]Theory5 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well that raises further questions! Which bibles? Which god? :-P Because if I have a choice, I think Athena would be pretty chill.

[–]scotttech1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

does she have a bible? cuz I think that narrows down your choices a bit

[–]dicks4dinner -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

It really doesn't make sense, you're right. In order to appreciate good things, there has to be bad as well. Otherwise what is happiness if you don't have any other emotions to compare it to?

Oh wait we're only human, we're not capable of understanding. It's part of God's "greater plan."

[–]ViggoMiles 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't get why it would even happen.

I created you to suffer through my trials. Now that you are dead, rejoice! Party on!

Do single people stay single? Can you covet your neighbor's wife? Till death do us part, so is marriage not a thing in heaven?

[–]longshot 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Man, my murderer is really harshing my paradise vibe.

[–]Chillindode 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree, and the child who was informed of this man's past, has made it to heaven, so he must understand and practice, true forgiveness

[–]Bitemarkz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ya! Get the hookers and booze guys, we're going to.... Wait, what do you mean they're all in hell?! Gas up the Jet, boys, we're going to Hell!

[–]rjung 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Everyone wants to go to heaven, but no one wants to die."

[–]Oberst_Von_Poopen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If the documentary This is The End is anything to go by, the Backstreet Boys will be in heaven too.

[–]im_a_slav_4_u -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Religious people can't wrap their heads around this idea, which is why Heaven is so often depicted as being filled with earthly riches.

[–]TheFakeTomTelesco 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean... that's how it's described in a lot of religious texts figuratively or literally... so yeah, religious people are going to believe that.

[–]Aprilsfooled -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

You wouldn't care because you'd be a mindless drone.

If you aren't, then you'd see a flagrant injustice.

Either way, heaven sounds sucky.

[–]emperor000 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's a false dilemma, though.

[–]Aprilsfooled -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ar least there is no real dilemma about if we aee arguing about a myth or not. A sucky sounding myth.

[–]emperor000 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

A dilemma about something unreal is still a real dilemma. Logic is logic in myth or reality.

[–]Cindernubblebutt 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey, what happens on Earth, stays on Earth.

[–]fogmeetsfog 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

If suicide is a mortal sin but murder is forgivable, why don't Christians just line up and shoot each other one by one, each one repenting before the next one blows them away?

Pat Robertson hosts a once-in-a-lifetime week-long televised event, "We Are The Rapture!"

[–]Kadour_Z 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

From time to time some people do end up killing their families with a mentality like that, or not giving them healthcare.

[–]Oderdigg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

We should setup a kickstarter for this.

[–]Boofers 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

[–]guyinahouse 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

The only correlation between summer and reddiit is people like you who talk about summer reddit, as if the same shit posts aren't around all year.

[–]JayGatsby727 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not a matter of presence, but of frequency.

[–]0Fsgivin 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

The only thing thats odd about religion in regards too this is if the comic pointed too a nice kind atheist who never "accepted jesus as his personal lord and savior" and is now in hell.

The fact that forgiveness is divine shouldn't be that much of a stretch for people too fathom.

[–]LordBroughton 56ポイント57ポイント  (30子コメント)

/r/atheism is leaking again

[–]TheFakeTomTelesco 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

It happens when someone in your circlejerk finishes early.

[–]zartcosgrove 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Come on Timmy, don't be a dick. Say hi!

[–]-TBD- 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I imagine he'd be more tactful about it.

[–]tigerevoke4 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jesus being rude is a trend now, just Google "fuck off jesus". Here is an example that I thought was funny.

[–]accountingjedi 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You not understanding this concept is more about you being stupid then the concept being silly.

[–]SheriffofBanshee -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Found the angry Christian. You can't get into heaven behaving that way!

[–]bigstevenet 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Could you imagine the degree of anger and emotion Timmy would feel from such an act? I think he would be imprisoned by that emotion. Being free enough from that anger to shake the hand of the person who caused it would be heaven.

[–]JeromeWeinbergg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Anyone else read this with a Robin Williams Mrs. Doubtfire impression?..

[–]FacetiousTomato 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Isn't wrath (anger) a sin? So if Timmy was mad a this dude, timmy would be in hell, not chilling with Jesus.

They're in heaven, bro down and get ice cream.

[–]steezygnarwal -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]Lots42 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good, good let the butthrut flow through you.

[–]Bigspang88 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh. I like this. I will hold onto this and use it when the time is right.

[–]soggyfritter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually Randy Newman had a bit like this in one of the tracks on his album Faust.

[–]walkonme 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Is there crime in heaven? Do people cheat on their spouses? Etc?

[–]HIPSTER_SLOTH 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No and no because neither sin nor marriage exist there

[–]undercoversausage -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

And yet, that is exactly how the idea works.

[–]Vikt22 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't see how one can "laugh so hard" at this. What's funny? Not trying to sound like a dick, I seriously want to know what's funny about this.

I get it: I get how it's "funny" that someone like that got into heaven. But I don't see how that's worthy of anything more than a, "Yeah, that does seem a bit weird."

[–]mcduncan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not very funny unless you have a somewhat antagonistic stance toward Christianity or religion in general. It belongs in r/atheism where it will be lauded.

[–]maflor0711 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (3子コメント)

God I hate threads like this... I don't care what side of religion you're on, can't you just laugh (in this case not laugh, you know, because this isn't Funny, but I guess that's this subreddit in a nutshell.) At the joke?

[–]Kadour_Z 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

I like how you say can't you just laugh? and then you say this isn't funny.

[–]maflor0711 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well If this was funny I would laugh, but its isn't. It reminds me of something I'd see on Facebook.

[–]mr_somebody 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My southern baptist granny would turn over in her grave. ...if she's browsing Facebook...in her grave.....