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[–]na85 4646ポイント4647ポイント x8 (412子コメント)

Our goal is to enable as many people as possible to have authentic conversations and share ideas and content on an open platform.

Look, I've never posted in r/fatpeoplehate and never visited it, but can we drop the charade and everyone just come out and admit that all this is about making reddit's user base more palatable for advertisers?

Coca-cola doesn't want to be associated with r/jailbait or whatever, I get that. Reddit needs to monetize because it's not profitable, I get that too.

But let's stop pretending this is about ivory-tower ideals of community and free speech. Reddit has never been about free speech, and the isolated-island format with moderators having dictatorial control over their potentially-walled gardens hampers an honest exchange of ideas in favour of increased groupthink and radicalized discourse. Free speech and "authentic conversations" (whatever the fuck that means) isn't out there waiting in the wings for r/fatpeoplehate to be banned. Advertisers are. They don't want their ads accidentally popping up on r/ihatejews or something and then a media shitstorm erupting, so the admins need to sanitize.

Ellen Pao is a lawyer and an MBA: you don't bring someone like that on board to create an ideal utopia. You call in the MBA's when you need to turn something that was idealistic into a profit stream. "Authentic conversations" is the most business-school phrase I've heard in quite some time. How about the admins treat us like adults instead of like idiots?

edit: guys please don't downvote the response(s) from the admins, they're relevant to the conversation and should be upvoted

[–]PewPewLaserPewPew 465ポイント466ポイント  (30子コメント)

"Authentic conversations" is the most business-school phrase I've heard in quite some time.

Let's have some crucial conversations during this paradigm shift in the data-driven Reddit! I'm going to go ahead and put the ball in your court to write the agenda for this. It's a win-win for all involved and I believe we can all have ROI with this synergy.

[–]na85 102ポイント103ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yes, it's time to engender some positive disruption.

[–]Aimless_Drifter 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I suggest we should continually supply collaborative content and redefine idea-sharing

[–]CryHav0c 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let's go shoot each other some emails and tease out a few details.

[–]Sewer-Urchin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or to quote the Captain:

"I aim to misbehave".

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    [–]GoodSirKnight 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

    PREACH IT!

    [–]ch00f 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

    But will it scale?

    [–]DWells55 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You're promoted. We've laid off a few IT people to make room for your salary bump.

    [–]roflmaoshizmp 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    After all, who needs them 'server administrators'. I don't even think that's a real job title.

    5 min later

    Why is the website down again?

    [–]argoth1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's some bullshit Bingo in its purest form. I'd have a field day with that in meetings. Impressive!

    [–]humma__kavula 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Lets table that discussion for now, we can take this offline. I believe our primary focus for this exercise should be to define requirements, and leverage existing templates to speed up our realization of this phase.

    [–]topdawg312 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    you just triggered me. i come on reddit to get away from work mumbo jumbo!

    [–]sealfoss -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Radio On the Internet!

    [–]LevelSteam 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Jesus christ. I feel like I'm at work.

    [–]astralusion 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think it's pretty easy to get radio on the internet even without synergy.

    [–]MAMark1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Something something present mode of operations.

    [–]TMacATL 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Sounds like we've got some key action items here

    [–]AlwaysChildish 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We can all have...RADIO ON INTERNET!

    [–]galaris 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    RIGHT?! To hell with monetizing strategic e-business, let's productize revolutionary content with reddit's target transparent infrastructures trough the architect magnetic bandwidth!!!

    [–]FAPSLOCK 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's a win-win for all involved and I believe we can all have ROI with this synergy.

    I, too, believe we can all have Radio On the Internet.

    [–]kaiklops 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't know what any of this means, but I think we can all agree that it's a good thing

    [–]TheInternetHivemind 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Let's have some crucial conversations during this paradigm shift in the data-driven Reddit!

    Ok. Let's do that. What went wrong in the 60s?

    By that I mean black people stopped making wage gains against other races in the 60s.

    In the 40s black people made 40% of what white people did.

    World war 2 happens, the highway system destroys traditional black communities. All sorts of shit goes down. Doesn't matter. There are gains made. By the mid 60s, black people are making 65% of what white people make.

    Then desegregation happens, the civil rights act is passed. I mean, given what had happened the previous decades, if black people were a stock, I've have invested everything I had. It'd be like McDonald's suddenly being allowed to sell fries. You've expect a massive upsurge in black wages.

    But afterwards? Nothing. Black wages haven't meaningfully diverted from 65% of white wages since then. It's just stuck.

    [–]I_play_support 696ポイント697ポイント  (17子コメント)

    I don't see what problems coca cola would have with bad assosiations if they are so fine with sponsoring FIFA

    [–]na85 121ポイント122ポイント  (5子コメント)

    IMO It's a question of scale. The World Cup is the most-watched sporting event in history, broadcast in every country where coke does business or wants to, whereas reddit is a sizeable but rather-disreputable english-only website with a fickle userbase.

    Guess which one they're more likely to forgive for foibles?

    [–][deleted] 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So, Reddit is going to censor everyone and anything that could effect the inflow of corporate money and advertising.

    Goodbye freedoms of speech.

    Hello Corporate Oligarchy.

    Shove it up your ass Admins.

    [–]Exaskryz 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    English-only? There are settings to change languages. I don't know how popular the other languages are, or exactly how the change language function works, but with so many languages available I can't imagine only one language gets used...

    [–]DeadAleWives 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There are certainly other subs for different languages, but it is primarily english

    [–]dontnation 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Massive human rights violations and deaths? Just a minor foible.

    [–]na85 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah apparently it's more important to remain a FIFA sponsor than it is to stand on principle.

    [–]JJWattGotSnubbed 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It would be in coca cola's best interests to support FPH getting banned. They don't care about ideals, they care about getting consumers, and if the FIFA sponsorship were to risk losing consumers, they bail, and I bet they already threatened too.

    [–]zahlman 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Not to mention that their product is implicated to a fair degree in the rising rates of obesity - they have a motivation to keep things comfortable and pleasant for their consumer demographic.

    [–]JJWattGotSnubbed 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    that was actually exactly what I was mentioning but thank you nonetheless for reinforcing.

    [–]SD99FRC 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    FIFA is ultimately about soccer. Coca Cola is trying to sell soft drinks to people who watch soccer.

    Sure, scummy shit happens behind the scenes of FIFA, but it isn't like Coca Cola is sponsoring that. "This bribe brought to you by Coca Cola" and having McDonalds themed drapes on the caskets of dead migrant workers.

    We can argue all we want about the ethics of sponsoring the action (The World Cup) which facilitates the reaction (corruption and human rights abuses), but good feelings don't sell soft drinks and crappy hamburgers. If Coke or McDonalds etc don't sponsor the World Cup, somebody else will, and probably one of their competitors. The audience it creates is vast.

    You target the disease, not the symptoms, if you want any real change.

    [–]Lord_Varys 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    FIFA is a cash cow for them. Reddit is not.

    [–]nmhunate 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Are you really that naive? Or just making a point?

    [–]Fluffiebunnie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Because the benefit of being associated with the World Cup is huge, and the potential backlash is significant but not nearly as huge as the WC.

    The benefit of advertising on reddit is limited but the potential backlash just as huge as for the WC.

    [–]relkin43 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Also they're totally fine having foreign workers who go on strike murdered when they try to unionize.

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      [–]FuckThisGoing2Voat 600ポイント601ポイント  (25子コメント)

      I would gladly give you gold for this comment, but that's just putting more money in the pocket of the people lying to us.

      [–]jameslee85 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Dude, just send a charity donation for the same amount in his name instead :)

      [–]Shagoosty 83ポイント84ポイント  (10子コメント)

      I gave gold because I already had credits. I'm using all of them and getting the fuck out of here forever. Fuck censorship.

      [–]DrAminove 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Before you leave, I'd recommend /r/personalfinance for advice on how to spend it wisely.

      [–]solar_powered_wind 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Gold isn't a reliable way to cultivate your retirement fund.

      I recommend you liquidate all your reddit gold and put whatever money you can into your IRA.

      [–]FuzzyBacon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Furthermore I'd recommend a Roth ira because taxes are historically low. It's highly unlikely that they'll be lower when you cash out, so it benefits you to pay taxes now to avoid them later.

      [–]jasondickson 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      But has that sub been approved by Chairwoman Pao?

      [–]monk3ytheboy 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

      ..ahem...ahem... AHEM ...ahem...

      [–]redplad 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Seems like its been given the voat hug of death.

      Whats the background?

      Founded by?

      Mission statement?

      Shareholders?

      [–]xeio87 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      voat hug of death

      I dunno, if they're down from this I doubt voat can do much more than a tickle.

      [–]monk3ytheboy 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      They're trying to be reddit but they pledge to be completely hands off. They're based on some other country far away from the US.

      [–]FancyRaw 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Try to get a refund if you can, that would send a message

      [–]hillbillyesq 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I did the same with another comment in this thread. It was the last creddit I have and the last I ever will have. Also not going to renew my own gold when it is up soon and I have had it for four years. I used to be enthusiastic about supporting reddit, but with decisions like this I will be happy to see it burn.

      [–]Ollvoj 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's funny that people don't realize that by gilding posts they are not supporting the autors, but the reddit staff.

      [–]dp101428 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      NOICE USERNAME M8

      [–]ijustwantanfingname 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Don't worry, 3 other bumblefucks already have.

      [–]blitz0x 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Your username is over a month old and you're still here.

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        [–]Jasperkr672 46ポイント47ポイント  (2子コメント)

        The admins of reddit are trying to gentrify this website's userbase:

        https://imgur.com/OJw5sxk

        [–]toastInTheShell 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Damn. That's a new perspective I hadn't thought of. I'd upvote that guys comment but it's an image!

        [–]reciphered 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

        That is why they will use the valuable advertising platforms of /r/spacedicks and \r\coontown /s

        [–]CuilRunnings 60ポイント61ポイント  (29子コメント)

        Reddit has never been about free speech

        Actually it used to be. The outing of /u/violentacres was the beginning of the end though.

        [–]wacrover 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Just to be on point about it, it was /u/violentacrez, his old, original handle was /u/violentacres.

        [–]fernguts 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

        For the longest time I thought his handle was /u/violetacrez. I'm not a careful reader, apparently.

        [–]wacrover 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

        You were probably curious how this could be so perverted.

        [–]na85 11ポイント12ポイント  (20子コメント)

        Well, I disagree.

        Perhaps that was what Ohanian and Huffman intended, but their design was completely flawed if that was their goal. Subreddits and voting do the opposite of encouraging free speech.

        [–]CuilRunnings 25ポイント26ポイント  (8子コメント)

        Reddit was around for like 2-4 years before subreddits were a thing. Voting doesn't silence speech, it just sorts it.

        [–]na85 20ポイント21ポイント  (5子コメント)

        It sorts into piles of "something the hivemind agrees with" and "something the hivemind doesn't agree with" which discourages calm, rational discussions involving opposing philosophies or ideas.

        If your controversial or minority opinions get downvoted even if they're well-thought-out, then you get a homogenized hivemind like we have now.

        [–]Pansophiae 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

        You keep conflating free speech with "rational discussions involving opposing philosophies or ideas." They're not the same thing. Also, the whole hive mind thing is exaggerated. Look at Fat People Hate, which just got banned and was one of the more popular subs. Would a hive mind silence itself? Looks at the war between SRS/SRD (same thing; get over it) and a lot of popular subs. Finally, given Reddit's structure, a lot of great discussions CAN happen in small subreddits (e.g. math or philosophy or foodforthought).

        [–]na85 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

        You keep conflating free speech with "rational discussions involving opposing philosophies or ideas." They're not the same thing.

        I'm not sure how else to interpret it when people on reddit say "free speech" because as I and other have pointed out, Free Speech provides protection from the government. Free Speech as a legal concept doesn't exist on reddit or any other website. You can be banned for anything.

        [–]account34545 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Nobody talking about free speech cares about whether or not it's legal to censor content, and "they're not breaking the law by doing it so stop complaining" is a horrible philosophy. People are complaining about the admins' disregard for free speech because people want Reddit to be about free speech. This is the only way the userbase can exert what little power it has short of leaving.

        [–]wacrover 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        You still have the choice to engage in discussion with people who reply to your comments or comment on your posts. I'm not trying to be pedantic about the issue, but I find that people will still reply and comment even if the majority hivemind is on the downvote train.

        I suppose what I'm trying to get at is that it might stifle, but it doesn't discourage. Just try to leverage the side of signal:noise that you'd like to be interacting with, and ignore the other side.

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          [–]Poemi 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

          voting does the opposite of encouraging free speech.

          Wut?

          "Free speech" doesn't mean letting idiots speak as loudly as the eloquent orators. It means the idiots can speak all they want, in that corner way over there, until they draw a big enough crowd to merit more central placement. Voting accomplishes that.

          [–]na85 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

          The visibility threshold combined with "sort by upvotes" means that there's an illusion of consensus. We're social creatures and most of us crave that. By burying those minority opinions, an honest exchange of ideas is hampered.

          [–]Infamously_Unknown 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

          By burying those minority opinions, an honest exchange of ideas is hampered.

          This is an hour old post with 5000+ comments. That's already a situation where I will never read all the things people have to say here, so I'm glad if what most people considered crap gets filtered out for me.

          [–]na85 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

          How many things that got buried were really insightful?

          Not to toot my own horn but what I wrote is only at the top because I was like the 3rd commenter. If I'd posted my comment 5 minutes from now it would never have been seen and I would not have got my precious sixtuple reddit golds.

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            [–]sleeptoker 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            It means the idiots can speak all they want, in that corner way over there, until they draw a big enough crowd to merit more central placement.

            How are they gonna do that?

            [–]Shagoosty 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Free speech doesn't mean that your voice is always heard. But when a community of 150k people is silenced, that's different than something getting downvoted within it's own community.

            [–]codeverity 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Free speech isn't even an issue here. Reddit is a private site, they're completely within their rights to shut down a sub if they want to.

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              [–]BigBrownDownTown 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

              If it were just about that, why is r/coontown still a thing? It's because r/fatpeoplehate posted images of imgur admins, which clearly must have caused some doxx'ing or something, because imgur went on their subreddit to try and make peace.

              [–]KennyFulgencio 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Reddit has never been about free speech,

              In the beginning I think it kinda was, for several years. I'm not sure how you can argue that it wasn't, really (like, not sure that there's anything that can be interpreted to reasonably support that viewpoint).

              [–]aurisor 27ポイント28ポイント  (11子コメント)

              Reddit has never been about free speech

              This is the third time I've had to slap down this misinformation.

              In accordance with the site's policies on free speech, Reddit does not ban communities solely for featuring controversial content. Reddit's general manager Erik Martin noted that "having to stomach occasional troll reddits like /r/picsofdeadkids or morally questionable reddits like /r/jailbait are part of the price of free speech on a site like this,” and that it is not Reddit's place to censor its users.[70] The site's former CEO, Yishan Wong, has stated that distasteful subreddits won't be banned because Reddit as a platform should serve the ideals of free speech.[1][71] Critics of this position have argued that Reddit has not been consistent in following its free speech philosophy.[72][73]

              source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Reddit_communities#Free_speech_rationale

              [–]Wojonatior 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

              You notice how Ellen Pao is the CEO now, not Yishan Wong? So maybe that's what he stood for, but it doesn't seem like that's what she's interested in.

              [–]aurisor 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Yes sir/m'am. She has clearly changed the policy. I'm just clarifying, since a lot of people seem to think "Reddit never stood for free speech," when it explicitly did.

              Just pointing out that this is an explicit departure from established policy.

              [–]na85 12ポイント13ポイント  (7子コメント)

              Using wikipedia as a source aside, actions speak louder than words.

              I'm not interested in parsing a reddit employee's words as those words are in service to reddit's continued success.

              In other words, of course they'll say that. They'll say anything.

              [–]quaellaos 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Coca-cola doesn't want to be associated with r/jailbait or whatever

              But mass slavery? Totally fine.

              You call in the MBAs when you need to turn something that was idealistic into a profit stream

              I really don't think Pao is a great person to be taking legal or financial advice from.

              [–]nb4hnp 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I really don't think Pao is a great person to be taking legal or financial advice from.

              yet here we are

              [–]zahlman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Wait, what's this about mass slavery? I'm apparently out of the loop.

              [–]iEATu23 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I would be happy if they just admit that they banned only those 5 specific subreddits because they are SJWs.

              [–]jonahandthewhales 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Thank you for this.

              [–]actuallymyaccount 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Let's also not pretend that "reddit is not profitable" means "reddit does not make money". They have a large staff, and well compensated executives. They just want to make more money, so they are nerfing the expression of people's ideas.

              Funny how that works.

              [–]The_R4ke 12ポイント13ポイント  (12子コメント)

              To be fair, I think that /r/jailbait was less about advertisers and more about not harboring Child Pornography on the site.

              [–]na85 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

              Okay sure, but swap jailbait for whatever else and I think the point still stands.

              [–]The_R4ke 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Yeah, I do think that you made a decent point about Reddit trying to be palpable to mainstream audiences. I'm still not too worried about it though.

              [–]Peca_Bokem 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

              I don't know, mainstream audiences tend not to like views which are radically different from their own. Well okay, people from most audiences don't, but the mainstream audience vastly outnumbers us, and if the admins decide to cater to them to bring more of them in, then I'd be just a tad concerned for the welfare of wildly different views and ideas being prolific here. I mean less than they are now. Not saying such things would be outright banned, but I could see them being ostracized by those people.

              [–]The_R4ke 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I get what your saying. I think that reddit kind of already does that though through the hive-mind mentality. It's not as much of a problem in the smaller subs, but in the larger ones with 100,000's of people, it's easy for unpopular opinions to get downvoted to the bottom just because enough people disagreed with them. I think it's still too soon to see how this will play out though I do understand why people are so upset.

              [–]superdude4agze 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

              /r/jailbait never harbored child pornography.

              [–]fallenmonk 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              It was about the public perception of Reddit. When the media started running stories on the subreddit, it was immediately banned.

              [–]ihavecrayons 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Agree with you for the most part, except bringing on Ellen Pao as "someone like that" because she "is a lawyer and has a MBA." So? A ton of CEOs are lawyers and MBAs. In fact, I'd say most are. That alone doesn't mean much.

              [–]Felcleave 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              but can we drop the charade and everyone just come out and admit that all this is about making reddit's user base more palatable for advertisers?

              But let's stop pretending this is about ivory-tower ideals of community and free speech.

              You're probably right, but "Hey guys, we're banning these subreddits because we want more advertisers" just doesn't sound good. Damn near every company wraps their actions in a haze of idealism and upstanding morality. And hey, maybe they actually believe some of what they say sometimes. But that's not the point of the game companies pay to make their money. They'll spew whatever they have to in order to make their decisions look good.

              [–]AloftMD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              How about the admins treat us like adults instead of like idiots?

              Have you seen a Reddit political thread lately? Lol. We come off as much more of the latter than the former.

              [–]aroploen91 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Thank you for articulating so well.

              [–]Rawmin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              This is so spot on it stings.

              [–]LeChuck999 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              We're gonna need to upvote this to the top people.

              Should probably link it to r/bestof and repost it everyday.

              Possibly post it in the sidebar of every subreddit too.

              [–]frostysnowflake 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Spelling*

              [–]DietsAreForHitler 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              free speech

              [–]Habba 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Most insightful comment yet. I did not pick this up.

              Good going reddit, time to be Digg 2.0

              [–]GalladeAirFreshener 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              That's actually a subreddit wow

              [–]TheGoldilocksZone 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Just because there are a lot of cynical people out there, doesn't mean that acting to get rid of the most prolific and unambiguous nastiness on the website isn't a good thing.

              Here are some other causes you can take up:

              "Oh, the government is just passing that Clean Air Bill because they want to be popular with the voters. What about the fact that trucks get subsidies? Huh?"

              "Nike is stopping using sweatshops because they don't their shoes associated with poor children being forced to work, just so they can sell more shoes! Disgusting. Hey Nike, let me know when you stop using materials sourced from cheap farming labor lol corporate idiots"

              [–]internet_critic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I can definitely see Coca Cola having problems with fatpeoplehate. ;)

              [–]mmilosh 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              "Authentic conversations" is the most business-school phrase I've heard in quite some time.

              It is. You won't really find that phrase in the normal world. It's from a 2008. book whose premise is that if you want to change the organizational culture, you have to change the conversation.

              Ironically, it is supposed to be about having adult to adult conversations based on truth rather than manipulation, which is the exact opposite of what this post is. It's all about the money, as you pointed out.

              [–]Pimmelarsch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Yep, and it's a great plan! I mean, we all see how profitable Digg is now, right!?

              [–]killerteddybear 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Guys, I found an exclusive gif of the admins now.

              [–]_lilPoundcake 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              free speech is a govt thing

              reddit never actually promised free speech

              [–]ITatAHC 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              The very fact that these comments point out the underlying agendas and none of the admins actually respond to them really confirms what you're talking about: lawyering the fuck out of Reddit. Avoidance and deception to make as much money as possible. A veil of ridiculously worded statements that sound pleasant, pulled over a heaping pile of shit. They can't even present a good (or in the lawyer world, convincible) argument against this because if they did, they would fall into a trap. Pao's bullshit is easy to recognize a mile away.

              [–]Legendary331 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Well reddit had a good run. It's all over now guys. Conform or get banned.

              [–]BobTheism 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Been to FPH, commented on FPH, got banned from FPH because of "fat sympathy" (I suggested that it was counterproductive to ban fat people from gyms). Conversations were authentic af.

              [–]Gerudo_Man_Slave 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Did you get direct responses from admins? If so they're so downvoted I can't find them. Any way you can link them?

              [–]KFCConspiracy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Look, I've never posted in r/fatpeoplehate and never visited it, but can we drop the charade and everyone just come out and admit that all this is about making reddit's user base more palatable for advertisers?

              Personally, I hate fat people hate, and I'm skinny. But I just subscribed to its successor subreddit because this censorship. Coontown's allowed but not fucking fat people hate? Come on! Hell, /r/greatapes is even worse than coontown, and that's still around. Fuck these honkeys.

              [–]BlueLinchpin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Reddit is associated with coca-cola? No wonder /r/fatpeoplehate was banned if Reddit is supported by a major cause of obesity!

              [–]bigdongmagee 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Free speech ideals are thrown out the window with the upvote system.

              [–]hatestheinternet 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              You call in the MBA's when you need to turn something that was idealistic into a profit stream

              I guess you haven't met a lot of MBA's. That like saying you call in someone with a CS degree when you need great software built.

              Guess what, most people with CS degrees are not great at what they do. MBA's are a dime a dozen these days, they are not special in any way, nor do they know how to run a business. They literally just have a masters degree, that's all.

              [–]duglock 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Ellen Pao is a lawyer and an MBA: you don't bring someone like that on board to create an ideal utopia. You call in the MBA's when you need to turn something that was idealistic into a profit stream.

              So she is going to sue the users for harassment and count that as profit? I think that is the only way she knows to make moeny - that and Ponzi schemes.

              [–]vereonix 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I'd be fine with them saying

              "We've decided to ban some subreddits, as to prospective advertisers and sponsors they look bad, such as nazi and racist subreddits"

              This way it shows they're not trying to push some bulshit ideology on us, and that Reddit as a company etc. aren't against free speech and aren't crazy fat, feminazi, SJWs. But as you said, they didn't word it like that, can don't mean it like that, they have fallen and the age of safe space censorship is here.

              If it was an actual advertising thing, /r/fatpeoplehate wouldn't be gone, /r/coontown, /r/ihatejews, /r/RapingWomen etc. would be gone. Banning FPH is obvious SJW bullshit, not actual horrid subs that perpetuate actual hated against people, but one that laughs at fat people.... Not one about raping women, one about people who eat too much, not one about watching people die, or hating on black people, one about people with no self control who are how they are because of choices they make not how they were born.

              So this is how free speech dies… with thunderous triggers.

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                [–]na85 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Aaron Swartz wasn't a reddit founder. He started some other, shittier project that merged with reddit in 2005.

                [–]burnte 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                this is about making reddit's user base more palatable for advertisers

                Do you think it's possible that the reason for this is for more than one reason? Maybe making it more ad friendly (and thus getting a way to pay the bills long term and stay a functioning business that you enjoy) also aligns with an idea that maybe, JUST MAYBE, it's ok to remove a few cesspools of hatred.

                [–]zahlman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                can we drop the charade

                Indeed. I'd just like to take the opportunity to highlight the clear and simple evidence of this being a charade:

                If a subreddit has been banned for harassment, you will see that in the ban notice. The only banned subreddit with more than 5,000 subscribers is r/fatpeoplehate.

                Well, since it's conveniently linked, why don't we take a look at that notice?

                This subreddit has been banned for violating the reddit rules to keep everyone safe

                That doesn't appear to say anything explicit about harassment. In fact, I am unaware of any means by which harassment on the Internet can directly endanger a person.

                [–]philips_66 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                You call in the MBA's when you need to turn something that was idealistic into a profit stream.

                MBA here. Sometimes you call us in just because no one knows how to design an organization, assign people jobs, and conduct day to day business without some sort of apocalyptic descent into hell.

                Also, it should be noted that we MBA's, when called in, rarely fix anything. Mostly we just take your money while your ship continues to sink, because the real problem is that you, the board of the directors and the officers of the company, are bad people who are stupid and evil.

                [–]Godspiral 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Coca-cola doesn't want to be associated with r/jailbait[2]

                Lets assume that the goal, and our purpose as users, is to get Cocacola to advertise here:

                A better solution than banning subreddits would be to mark them as "distasteful" and cross site advertising packages would apply only to sanitized subreddits. It would work like a NSFW filter, and subreddit creators could mark it as distasteful themselves, but admins could threathen to withdraw all of the benefits of cocacola ads that trickle down to those subs.

                [–]na85 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I'm talking about public opinion.

                Media reports that /r/jailbait exists. Stockholders know that coke advertises on reddit. Stock drops. Bankers commit suicide. Etc.

                Technical solutions don't always work like that.

                [–]Vio_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                The very nature of voting on reddit creates an inherent groupthink mentality and contributes to lack of honest discussion. It's the only difference between reddit and usenet circa 1994. Reddit pits ourselves against ourselves and then makes money as we turn on each other for imaginary points. As the years progress, it just pushes that combative agenda that much more and pushes out /downvotes those who disagrees or has a different viewpoint.

                Reddit is a very different place if you don't hit each of the reddit cohort metrics.

                [–]notcaffeinefree 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Our goal is to enable as many people as possible to have authentic conversations* and share ideas and content on an open platform.

                *Authentic Conversations as defined and limited by reddit and it's administrators.

                We want as little involvement as possible in managing these interactions but will be involved when needed to protect privacy and free expression, and to prevent harassment.

                Should read "will be involved when negative, public, attention is brought to various subreddits and their related topic(s)".

                [–]well_golly 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                B..b..but they're only "...banning behavior, not ideas."

                The behavior of, you know, expressing ideas that some people don't like.

                I'm so glad to see Ellen personally signing off on this. Let her name be associated with Reddit's slow slide into obscurity. She is turning out to be exactly what we were all warned about.

                [–]Hillside_Strangler 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Reddit has never been about free speech

                Shoutout to /r/undelete

                [–]QMS235 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                What Reddit doesn't understand is that subs like /r/fatpeoplehate are necessary to keep the discourse here interesting. Reddit is filled with millions of people with millions of different opinions. As you push away the people you disagree with, you lose the other side of the argument. Sure, they may be wrong and you may dislike them, but without opposition, Reddit will just become an echo-chamber. coughtumblrcough.

                [–]CedarWolf 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Hey, so there was a sub called /r/trans_fags, and they delighted in invading our transgender subreddits, harassing our users, targeting our mods, and trying to encourage people to commit suicide. This is their fourth subreddit, and they're already onto the next backup.

                But they finally got banned again. They've been harassing our users for months, and I'm glad to see them have to move their sub again. It's a hate sub, the only reason it exists is to attack other people and subreddits.

                [–]na85 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I'm not saying they shouldn't ban hate subs.

                [–]CedarWolf 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Well, frankly, the fact that they're gone is good for the community. Hopefully some of the other harassment subs will get canned soon, too.

                [–]soldoutactivist 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

                Reddit has ads?

                [–]na85 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                Ever been to r/IAMA ?

                [–]soldoutactivist 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Rarely. 9.9/10 I don't care about some stranger's random story or the question other strangers ask them.

                Are you saying there are some AMAs that are basically just veiled advertisements? Because I was just making a (bad) Adblock joke.

                [–]na85 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Many AMAs are blatant advertisements now.

                [–]soldoutactivist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Well, now I'm 10/10 uninterested in AMAs.

                [–]konkeydong 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                You may be right. Just a note about FPH, they would troll the weightloss subs and make insulting comments. Then their voting brigade would arrive and send it to the top. Seriously the biggest bunch of assholes I've ever seen.

                [–]Selpai 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                BTW, are there advertisements on Reddit? I'm not about to turn off ad-blocker to find out.

                [–]na85 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Ever been to r/IAMA or r/funny?

                [–]Selpai 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Of course. What's different about those?

                [–]na85 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Many of the top posts are thinly veiled advertisements.

                [–]EONS 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Ellen Pao wasn't brought in and isn't a qualified executive. She manipulated her way in, the same way she manipulated her way out of her last job (and continues trying to sue them for a cash grab).

                She is in no way, shape or form a competent individual, and if she retains any semblance of control over Reddit, we should all begin to look for the next thing, because Reddit won't be here much longer.

                [–]joedude 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                i can digg it lmao.

                [–]tkms 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Absolutely. Cut the crap and tell the truth, /u/5days /u/ekjp /u/kn0thing

                Tell us why you're really banning them. If you're going to piss people off this much, at least tell the damn truth about why you're doing it. Lying to us just makes everything so much worse.

                [–]Dragon_slayer777 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Bitch go back to 4chan if you want your fat haters and pedos.

                [–]na85 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Please quote where I said I wanted fat haters and pedos.

                [–]rationalinquisition 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Aaron Swartz is turning in his grave.

                [–]kn0thing[A] -155ポイント-154ポイント  (127子コメント)

                Look, I've never posted in r/fatpeoplehate and never visited it, but can we drop the charade and everyone just come out and admit that all this is about making reddit's user base more palatable for advertisers?

                No. Steve and I did not create reddit to be a platform for communities to target + harass individuals. It's really that simple.

                [–]docollas 105ポイント106ポイント  (10子コメント)

                Then why is /r/ShitRedditSays still here? All they do is link to users then say negative things about them. That's a more direct from or harassment than /r/fatpeoplehate ever was. Or am I misunderstanding how reddit defines harassment and safe place?

                [–]MayorOfChuville 47ポイント48ポイント  (4子コメント)

                Then why is /r/ShitRedditSays still here

                Nobody wants to say it, but the fact of the matter is that the admins are in full support of SRS and what they do. Time and time again people say "What about SRS" and they never respond. Subs get banned/warned for brigading, yet SRS doesn't even use np. There was a short PBS documentary on reddit, and SRS got an entire section to themselves starting between 3:20 and 5:20 (almost 25% of the entire video) with admin commentary.

                [–]docollas 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

                By not removing it that's what they're telling their community. Reddit is trying to become a safe place yet they still allow /r/ShitRedditSays to directly harass their own users. That makes no sense to me at all. When did /r/fatpeoplehate ever direclty call out a user?

                [–]Cognittie 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Because they like SRS, it is that simple. It is a bias of the admins, and we can't really change that. Just gotta wait til another website pops up, and abandon Reddit, just like Digg.

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                    [–]PNW_Tree_Octopus 54ポイント55ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    So all the anti-Semitic and racist subs are okay?

                    /r/creepshots gets destroyed, rightfully/thankfully, but /r/candidfashionpolice survives?

                    [–]HawkeyeTransfer 266ポイント267ポイント  (49子コメント)

                    Then ban /r/shitredditsays and /r/subredditdrama. They target communities and harass individuals.

                    [–]elesdee 40ポイント41ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    What about /r/cringe or /r/cringpics ?

                    [–]docollas 88ポイント89ポイント  (7子コメント)

                    Exactly, and they call the individuals out, that's a direct attack on them. /r/ShitRedditSays is devoted to harassing users.

                    [–]SAKUJ0 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    It's quite condescending and highly populistic. It is nurtured by making a fool out of people for stating things out of context.

                    [–]docollas 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    And how does that make reddit a safer place? If any thing it makes people afraid to comment.

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                      [–]IsThisTheRealLife 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      The difference is /r/fatpeoplehate got too popular.

                      [–]gotenibehe 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      To report a subreddit for harassment, please email us at contact@reddit.com or send a modmail.

                      [–]zimm3rmann 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      No reply as always, shocking.

                      [–]Clbull 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      They also don't promote any sort of discussion, and will profusely ban any commenters for even remotely dissenting views.

                      But I guess it's okay, because they're feminists, amirite?

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                        [–]wowsoratchet 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Nice red herring. You didn't address the issue of advertising in your response at all.

                        [–]KRosen333 50ポイント51ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        What about /r/AgainstMensRights, /u/kn0thing - their sole purpose is to harass other users they deem have committed some injustice. A mod doctored a post a user made (a joke post), used it as evidence to rile up their community. They got him banned from Burning Man on a lie, called the cops on him, and when you admins shadowbanned the mod who did this, they remade an account AND THE OTHER MODS MADE HER A MOD AGAIN! You guys even banned the second account - you clearly saw this as harassment. They haven't done anything this bad in a while, but they do harassment of some form or another consistently.

                        Also you have yet to reply to my complaint about their rulebreaking - you told me I couldn't put contact info in a post to boycott and let others complain. Why are they allowed to do this? Why are the rules being applied inconsistently?

                        http://www.reddit.com/r/againstmensrights/comments/37r1xm/tell_toronto_pride_to_ban_cafe/

                        https://archive.is/DhGQw

                        Thank you for your time and sorry if I sound short, but I don't want to stay with reddit for another 3 years if the rules are going to be applied inconsistently and unfairly.

                        [–]questforchicken 56ポイント57ポイント  (6子コメント)

                        Why is /r/coontown still a thing then? Don't even try to say that you haven't seen any reports of harassment coming from the sub. Open it up and look around a little for fucks sake

                        [–]WonderboyUK 32ポイント33ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        because /r/coontown isn't trending on social media threatening to be an issue in securing new advertising or casting a negative light on the website. Frankly I find it disgusting that we don't even get the respect of being given the honest truth as to why this is being done.

                        Stop the bullshit. This has all come about a few weeks after Tess Munster threatened to take legal action on Reddit for the FPH sub. Don't lie to us and tell us this is all just a shocking coincidence. This is about reducing liability and maximising profit nothing more hence why all "harassing" subs aren't being targeted - just the ones the admins don't like.

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                          [–]Katynrosja 40ポイント41ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Apparently you fucking did if you let the hundreds of rape/racism/ and homophobia subreddits to exist to the fucking five you banned. Either step up or fuck off.

                          [–]KipperTheCat 36ポイント37ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Take a second to re-read what you just commented, look at all the other subreddits being ignored blatantly, and reflect on how stupid you sound.

                          [–]atred 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Once you make millions on a product it is no longer yours.

                          [–]BattleChimp 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Then ban srs and srd you fucking hypocrite.

                          [–]na85 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Hey thanks for the reply. I'm having trouble reconciling your response with the actions taken, though.

                          Violentacrez might have been a pretty scummy guy, but doxing is pretty clearly against the rules. Why wasn't r/shitredditsays banned when they posted his dox on a 3rd party website and sent him death threats?

                          [–]Uptonogood 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Fucking Hypocrite

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