Removing harassing subreddits

SilvanestitheErudite · 1時間前

Is there going to be transparency as to how subreddits are determined to be harrasing?

youareinthematrix · 1時間前

I predict this isn't going to go down well.

Emazinng · 1時間前

Yishan Wong, the site's former CEO, has stated that "We stand for free speech. This means we are not going to ban distasteful subreddits. We will not ban legal content even if we find it odious or if we personally condemn it."

So much for that

CrackheadControl · 1時間前

Why is /r/fatpeoplehate banned, but /r/coontown get to exist? That's bullshit.

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tethercat · 1時間前

Where can we find the five banned subreddits? Can you just tell us here what they are, and link to where the updated page will be?

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In case it gets buried, here is the other four subreddits in addition to r/ fatpeoplehate. I won't direct link to them, nor name them. This link contains their identities. Thank you, mods, for your immediate transparency.

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na85 · 1時間前

Our goal is to enable as many people as possible to have authentic conversations and share ideas and content on an open platform.

Look, I've never posted in r/fatpeoplehate and never visited it, but can we drop the charade and everyone just come out and admit that all this is about making reddit's user base more palatable for advertisers?

Coca-cola doesn't want to be associated with r/jailbait or whatever, I get that. Reddit needs to monetize because it's not profitable, I get that too.

But let's stop pretending this is about ivory-tower ideals of community and free speech. Reddit has never been about free speech, and the isolated-island format with moderators having dictatorial control over their potentially-walled gardens hampers an honest exchange of ideas in favour of increased groupthink and radicalized discourse. Free speech and "authentic conversations" (whatever the fuck that means) isn't out there waiting in the wings for r/fatpeoplehate to be banned. Advertisers are. They don't want their ads accidentally popping up on r/ihatejews or something and then a media shitstorm erupting, so the admins need to sanitize.

Ellen Pao is a lawyer and an MBA: you don't bring someone like that on board to create an ideal utopia. You call in the MBA's when you need to turn something that was idealistic into a profit stream. "Authentic conversations" is the most business-school phrase I've heard in quite some time. How about the admins treat us like adults instead of like idiots?

edit: guys please don't downvote the response(s) from the admins, they're relevant to the conversation and should be upvoted

RTE2FM · 1時間前

www.voat.co

ExplodingJesus · 1時間前

This is a hole with no bottom. Admins will now be fielding non-stop requests from person "x" because sub "y" offended them somehow and they will try to spin it as harassment.

Example: every person ITT asking what about this or that sub.

Raysharp · 1時間前

For everyone who is wondering, these are the banned subreddits.

r/hamplanethatred (3071 subscribers)

r/transfags (149)

r/neofag (1239)

r/shitniggerssay (219)

credit to /u/ekjp

muhtriggurs · 1時間前

Go fuck yourself Pao.

I've never seen a sub with a mod team more deeply dedicated to containing content to within the sub, preventing brigading and removing identifying information.

SRS pays it lip service, served up with a side dish of tee hee we put that rule on the sidebar so we're covered.

Ban SRS and coontown or your action today is seen as exactly what it is: fuck all to do with harassment and pandering to a specific group.

I ain't holdin' my breath.

ultraRightWing · 1時間前

Guess it is time for everyone to move to voat.co.

frankenmine · 1時間前

/r/ShitRedditSays has brigaded and harassed subreddits for as long as it's existed.

Its slogan is Bring Reddit Down, for fuck's sake.

Why haven't you banned it yet?

jwshyy · 1時間前

By the same vein, /r/ShitRedditSays should be banned too

nsto · 1時間前

Did /r/fatpeoplehate actually harass people outside of the subreddit?

HawkeyeTransfer · 1時間前

$10 says a new fatpeoplehate subreddit will be up and running within 24 hours.

edit 1: The fat hatred will rise again!

Also, if you're going after harassing subreddits Admins, look no further than /r/subredditdrama and /r/shitredditsays. It would be a real shame if people started downvoting shit and disrupting those subreddits in protest right now.

edit 2: I will update my list of new FPH subs as people let know about them.

edit 3: /r/fatpeoplehate2 's only mod was banned. Someone go /r/redditrequest that shit.

digitalpizza · 1時間前

How us /r/fatpeoplehate any different from /r/cringe or /r/CringeAnarchy/? They ridicule people just as much. Should ban those too if you're gonna ban fatpeoplehate

Stalked_Like_Corn · 59分前

As a fat person who absolutely detests /r/fatpeoplehate to the core. This is bullshit. I've rarely seen them mentioned out in the wild so to speak and they kept it in their subreddit. The way I avoided being targeted by their subreddit was I stayed the fuck out if which is the whole point of the unsubscribe button. To NOT see things I don't want to see.

This is nothing more than just systematic reduction on edgy subreddits yet again. What i'm shocked about is that it wasn't because of bad media attention like jailbait, creepshots, and thefappening. I hate that subreddit but I stayed the fuck out of it. THat's the POINT of Reddit.

What's funny more is that creepshots is STILL back and NOTHING has been done to them to take it down because, you don't fucking care. Plain and simple, you don't fucking care. I was upset when you took down jailbait and creepshots though I didn't go into them. The fappening I never went into but I didn't like that being taken down either. Now this? Keep on Reddit admins. Keep on keeping on because You can ask Digg and Co. what happens when you push a userbase too far.

Meanwhile /r/shitredditsays keeps chugging along despite openly FLOUNTING* the rules of vote briggading. They bite their thumbs at you sir. Yet you continue to let it go on. Why?

Edit* Fixed typo. Thanks /u/rocketman0739!

nixonrichard · 1時間前

Does Mitt Romney count as an individual? Because if you're going to go down this dark path, you have a LOT of subreddits to ban.

Mitt Romney got harassed worse than anyone I've ever seen on Reddit, far worse than any fat person being harassed by /r/fatpeoplehate (which they didn't actually do).

What you're doing is setting a precedent which cannot possibly be enforced except by the caprice of Admins . . . and I think that's EXACTLY what you want.

If the subreddit was "/r/WBC_Hate" there's no way you would have banned it. You're making a choice that you care more about fat people as a group than members of the WBC (or any other group that is widely hated) and by Administrators making a personal choice as to what is supported and what is not, you're doing far more risk to Reddit than you could possibly remove by banning /r/fatpeoplehate.

I hope you realize what you're doing. I don't think you do.

beetnemesis · 1時間前

This seems kind of silly. By all means, ban any users who are harassing, shut down any specific posts that are encouraging doxxing, brigading, or whatever. But if they want to bitch about overweight people in their walled off area, who cares?

Katynrosja · 1時間前

Why isn't /r/ShitRedditSays banned?

Thezanthex · 1時間前

It's not that I support any of the banned subreddits, but banning them with that justification isn't cool, especially since outwardly they didn't appear to be doxxing anyone.

Censorship, man. I thought there'd be more time before it really hit reddit.

turroflux · 1時間前

So /r/BeatingCripples - /r/sexyabortions - /r/StruggleFucking continue to exist but a sub that mocks fat people is crossing the line?

Right.

really_cool_name · 1時間前

Today we are removing five subreddits that break our reddit rules based on their harassment of individuals.

Doesn't that mean you have to ban r/shitredditsays ?

BlueLinchpin · 1時間前

You guys are a joke.

Gloman42 · 1時間前

but subreddits with pictures of cute dead girls is ok...

CrackheadControl · 1時間前

The following Subreddits are ok, but /r/fatpeoplehate crosses the line?

/r/watchpeopledie /r/SexWithDogs /r/sexwithhorses /r/CandidFashionPolice /r/GreatApes /r/killallfuckinjews /r/necroporn /r/RapingWomen /r/wincest /r/CuteFemaleCorpses /r/SexyAbortions /r/beatingwomen2 /r/Upskirt
/r/downblouse

Those are ok to you Jessica (/u/5days), Ellen (/u/ekjp), Alexis (/u/kn0thing), but /r/fatpeoplehate is wrong? That's not right.

austin101123 · 1時間前

Was fatpeoplehate invading other places, or was it contained?

It seems as though /r/greatapes still exists.

What made fatpeoplehate considered harassing vs. greatapes? What is the qualification for being considered harassing? I hope for more transparency on this.

I_love_male_butts · 1時間前

Just be upfront that the reason FPH was banned was because it hit too close to home for the vast majority of you.
Can't keep a good shitlord down. They'll get up, unassisted.

njbrooks · 1時間前

This is a horrible and not very well though out idea, here's why.

Use /r/fatpeoplehate as example. Room full of people, door is locked, door says "Room to discuss distaste for obese people". Obviously nobody who is obese would enter that room, right? Everyone in this room loves to rail and make fun of fat people. This is good, because everyone who is fat on the outside of the room can't hear or see what they're doing. You guys over at reddit HQ say "hm, maybe we shouldn't keep all those people in the same room, talking about negative things". You say "ok!" and unlock the door and tell everyone "sorry you can't hang out in this room anymore, but you can go to any of the other rooms"

People from /r/fatpeoplehate room proceed to harass and project distaste for obese people in other rooms and in an uncontrolled manner since there is no place to talk about this without repercussion. In the end nobody is happy.

My point is, people have opinions that will offend others, but we can control the chaos by letting these people discuss those offensive opinions in a controlled environment.

pm_me_things_you_lov · 1時間前

List of subreddits on the chopping block:

What about /r/coontown though? It's just straight up racism on /new all day long.

Jesus_Faction · 1時間前

THIS SLOPE IS GETTING SLIPPERY BOYS

Kolisk · 51分前

This isn't an attempt to stop harrasment, this is Reddit admins paving the way for censoring anything they deem worthy.

This is bullshit, the point of having an avenue for conversation is that you can see the view of all sides of an argument. But now one side of the argument is subject to being completely silenced.

Muppet1616 · 1時間前

What are the other 4 banned subreddits?

LuminiferousPen · 1時間前

All hail glorious leader Ellen Pao!

dfsac85 · 1時間前

I am glad you guys didn't delete /r/fuckolly . Because seriously, fuck that kid.

1sttimepleasebgentle · 1時間前

This is the beginning of the end of Reddit, ladies and gentlemen.

Robert_T_Pooner · 1時間前

This is really a troubling step IMO. The fact that only one of the banned subreddits was named, and the statement referring to adding people to "manage community issues", I am getting the signal that reddit is going to become much more restrictive in the future. I agree that direct targeting of individuals is not something that reddit should facilitate, but I get the impression that the reddit admins are going to become more and more "hands on" in terms of censorship. I'm afraid that the open internet I grew up with is not going to survive the coming decade. Perhaps I'm just being overly sensitive. I hope so.

SplodeyDope · 1時間前

How about /r/shitredditsays ?

ttifiblog · 1時間前

It was just a matter of time, wasn't it? I can't say I liked any of the 5 banned subs, but seems like freedom of expression shouldn't be banned.

What's next? /r/news gets banned for pointing out how the CEO is blackmailing her old company to pay for her husband's ponzi scheme debts?

Libertarian-Party · 1時間前

I'm glad that the administration are finally removing /r/srs for their harassment of redditors

serialstitcher · 1時間前

There is a zero percent chance you will ban /r/ShitRedditSays and they are infamous for vote brigading, nasty PMs and various other forms of harassment, up to and including getting people fired from their jobs for perceived transgressions against various minorities.

Fuck this policy. I was not a huge fan of fatpeoplehate, but I had never heard a single thing about them extending their reach outside of their own subreddit to harass people

What does "safe space" even mean? Please define that term so the community can have a real discussion about it instead of using it as a bullshit vague coverall for anything that hurts peoples feelings.

Does it mean that if somebody accidentally clicks on a "mean" subreddit their fee fees are so triggered that they must remain on the page and suffer?

RedSocks157 · 1時間前

Here's some feedback for you: I'm going to voat. You can take your SJW, safe-space nonsense and shove it. /u/ekjp has been changing this site for the worse since she got here, and the repeated bannings and deletions of anything talking about her bs attempts at extortion of her former employer only prove that she shouldn't be in charge of anything.

I'll probably be banned or shadowbanned for this. I don't care. I bet the reddit admin who does it will feel real good about themselves, using a tool originally meant to stop spam in order to remove anything they don't like or deem sufficiently "safe".

FPH might not have been nice, and you know what I wouldn't be that upset if these rules were being applied equally. The continued existence of SRS is a pretty clear indicator of that.

Swissguru · 1時間前

Pathetic.

waterboysh · 1時間前

If a subreddit has been banned for harassment, you will see that in the ban notice.

When I go to /r/fatpeoplehate I do not see this. All I see is:

this subreddit has been banned

most likely this was done automatically by our spam filtering program. the program is still learning, and may even have some bugs, so if you feel the ban was a mistake, please submit a link to our request a subreddit listing and be sure to include the exact name of the subreddit.

EDIT: It's already been changed. It now says.

this subreddit has been banned

This subreddit has been banned for violating the reddit rules to keep everyone safe

Which reads like the general news we see all the time where everyone responds "Because terrorists"

TinyEarl · 1時間前

> we're banning behavior

> shitredditsays not banned

hmmmmmmmmm

[deleted] · 1時間前

You are fucking hypocrites. Why is /r/coontown still around? FUCK YOU. Bye bye, you have jumped the shark.

CommonWhiteGirl666 · 1時間前

What about that one subreddit with pictures of dead fetuses? Or the one where people go to masturbate to dead women?

sarahbotts · 49分前

How do these not violate "Keep Everyone Safe: You agree to not intentionally jeopardize the health and safety of others or yourself." and "Do Not Incite Harm: You agree not to encourage harm against people?"

/r/gasthekikes
/r/beatingwomen2
/r/rapingwomen
/r/sexyabortions
/r/cutefemalecorpses
/r/hurtinganimals
/r/punchingkids
/r/burningkids
~~/r/Islam~~ - not sure why /r/beatingwomen2 links to this, but I'm guessing it's because they're racist?

edit: see note on /r/islam

Wafflenotblue · 58分前

might as well ban /r/pcmasterrace because they harass console users

Endless_Summer · 1時間前

Who did fatpeoplehate harass?

DyrtyW · 1時間前

And by only sub with more than 5000 members they mean one that hit 151,000 yesterday. But yeah someone getting upset about something they can change about themselves is much more important to sensor than obvious and blatant Racism and White Supremacy, well done mods... well done

ninjapro · 1時間前

Woah. /r/fatpeoplehate (FPH) was actually banned. This seems like a crazy knee-jerk reaction.

While FPH may have been relatively circlejerky and superficially vicious, it was a subreddit where people would go expressly to vent. Very rarely would personal information be included or anyone targeted and when that does happen, generally the mods were fantastic at shooing off the post. (as a side note: the mods on FPH were some of the most active and fair mods that I had seen in a subreddit that large). FPH certainly seems far too vicious at first glance, but their bark is far, far worse than their bite.

Larger subreddits, I'll use /r/atheism as an example, have had far more targeted threads and nobody really bats an eye at that. At first glance, the top thread in /r/atheism is about a couple, who are named and pictured in the linked article, threatening to divorce if gay marriage is passed.

This is a direct, identifying piece of information. Yet, nobody's calling witchhunting, though when someone inevidently does, it's generally defended because "/r/athesim is a place where atheists can vent about the religious they run into every day."

FPH, which rarely ever posted personal information, should not be considered more harassing than specific subs which are borderline controversial. /r/funny isn't accused of harassing when there's a joke about Kayne West or Kim Kardashian; /r/pcmasterrace isn't considered harassment towards console gamers; and /r/ShitRedditSays literally targets users' comments in an attempt to brigade them. So why is FPH so specifically vilified?

TLDR: /r/fatpeoplehate is not the the only or worst harassers on the internet or even Reddit. This targeting does not seem justified.

UlfricRainCoat · 1時間前

Is there a full list of those banned? Just curious.

raffastafarian · 1時間前

/r/fatpeoplehate was doing the same thing for modern people what the "smoking is gross and smokers are gross" ad campaigns of the 80's and 90's once did.

But you're sad about it this time around, so you call it "harassment". Take a look in the mirror.

likferd · 1時間前

RIP Reddit. The beginning of the end.

CaptainReginald · 1時間前

TIL vicious racism is fine, but hurting fat people's fee fees is banable.

Classy, Reddit.

HomerSimpsonXronize · 1時間前

Alright if you are going to ban /r/fatpeoplehate you might want to ban /r/subredditdrama and a bunch of other subs as well for harassment of users as well as brigading and breaking other site wide rules.

chocoboat · 1時間前

It's OK to shame people and show the negative effects of drug addiction, alcohol addiction, gambling addiction, gaming addiction, painkiller addiction...

But food addiction? That's somehow worse than making fun of people's skin color and propagating racist stereotypes!

/r/coontown gets to stay, but you can't be negative about people ruining their health and harming others (especially their poor children)!

DisgustingFatPeople · 1時間前

you know what is fucking pathetic about this.

if you had a smokerhate subreddit, no one would care. It's ok to hate smokers.

But are there smoker acceptance people trying to say "health at every cigarette"? NO!

There is no difference between obesity and smoking. Both are horrible for you. Yet only one is ok to "shame"?

Pathetic.

theone899 · 1時間前

Hey, how about removing /r/ShitRedditSays?

sroske1 · 1時間前

Is r/atheism next?

DeadGamerWalking · 1時間前

why isn't /r/ShitRedditSays banned for harassment? They are no different than /r/NeoFAG or /r/fatpeoplehate

PM_YOUR_YOUTUBE_VIDs · 1時間前

Nice to see admin turning Reddit into tumblr. I don't like those subreddits but I don't want to remove them. This won't stop shit and will make it worse.

voltism · 1時間前

Ban /r/announcements plz, you hurt my precious feelings

NotYourLocalCop · 1時間前

Wow. Fuck you Reddit.

Rebootkid · 10分前

As much as I dislike the content in FPH, I dislike censorship MUCH more.

FPH was supposedly banned for violating the reddit rule of "Keeping everyone safe." That rule says, "You agree to not intentionally jeopardize the health and safety of others or yourself."

You're going to need to explain exactly how they were violating that rule, because I saw none of it happening.

The people who were discussed are jeopardizing their own health and safety.

This is censorship plain and simple.

another_f-ing_user · 1時間前

VOAT!

hastdubutthurt · 1時間前

It's truly unbelievable to me the level to which reddit has bowed to political correctness.

AspenCanEataDick · 1時間前

And yet you guys have not banned /r/shitredditsays a sub which actively breaks reddit rules as its purpose. Congrats you disgusting totalitarians

brent0935 · 1時間前

Hey admins, go suck a dick then eat a Twinkie.

chocoboat · 1時間前

Will you also be banning negative comments towards (or images displaying the harmful effects of) drug addiction, alcohol addiction, gambling addiction, gaming addiction, painkiller addiction, and so on?

No? Just food addiction and nothing else? Solid logic there.

PawnStarRick · 1時間前

Fat mods confirmed.

LoneWords · 1時間前

Can we just ban reddit then? It gets pretty harass-y most places.

MajorMajor · 1時間前

Jessica (/u/5days), Ellen (/u/ekjp), Alexis (/u/kn0thing) & the rest of team reddit

I see the cancer is spreading.

birdboy2000 · 51分前

Why aren't /r/shitredditsays, /r/subredditdrama, and /r/gamerghazi banned? I'd like an explanation of what rule /r/neofag (which certainly used fouler language, but was based around the same idea) violated that they didn't.

It seems reddit admins only oppose harassment from people they disagree with.

deltron · 1時間前

It's been 9 years, time to move on I guess.

Luxray · 1時間前

I don't like this. If you don't go to those subs, you wouldn't even know those people are being "harassed", including the very people they're "harassing." That's not harassment. If the individual isn't even affected and would literally never know if they didn't come to reddit, if it's completely ignorable by simply not going on one part of a website, it's not harassment. And to be clear, I think /r/fatpeoplehate is deplorable, but that doesn't mean I think it needs to be shut down.

ColdRain · 1時間前

This is absolutely ridiculous.

Vladie · 1時間前

Can I blame this on Chairwoman Pao?

DreamsAndSchemes · 35分前

voat.co

Servers are under serious load right now, but go there if you're sick of this shit.

e: stop buying gold too. I'm sure the servers crashing constantly are totally dependent on your donations.

lvmatt702 · 1時間前

And you keep coontown up. lol if your going to ban "hateful" subreddits maybe do the ones that dont affect your friends or family too. This was fph targeting and nothing else under the guise of "reform"

Edit for mispell

PistolPete23 · 1時間前

Welp, Reddit is selling out. Time to move on folks. What alternatives are there? Perhaps we can learn to love Digg again.

vagbuffet · 1時間前

Is this tumblr or something?

whendoesOpTicplay · 1時間前

RIP /r/fatpeoplehate. Fuck you admins.

dude2k5 · 1時間前

While /r/fatpeoplehate was hateful, it changed my view and made me fit. It was one of the only things that made me realize the other side, most people will lie to you and tell you "it's ok". If you can fix a problem, do it. Obesity is something you can fix. I'm really not sure I agree with this decision at all. I understand people don't like it, but avoid it, don't ban it. Though, I suppose it was leaking outside it's own subreddit a lot. Won't be a popular opinion, but without fatpeoplehate, I would still be fat and have the same mentality of "this is okay since everyone else is overweight".

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