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[–]shitsureishimasu 152ポイント153ポイント  (8子コメント)

You're entitled to like or dislike whatever features you come across but we really aren't going to make you feel better for shitting on a sweet guy in a wheelchair. The guilt you are feeling is your soul try to claw its own eyes out.

[–]_ontopdownunder_ 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is an amazing reply. I could never have worded it more perfectly.

[–]esosa233 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm rolling with laughter, by the way your username is so polite.

[–]viatorinlovewithRuss 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

great reply! 日本語も喋れますか?

[–]shitsureishimasu 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

少し。でも、日本語を喋る友達いないから、練習できません。じつは日本語へたです。

[–]viatorinlovewithRuss 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

上手だよ!頑張って!僕と練習できる。

[–]KelMage 46ポイント47ポイント  (7子コメント)

Well if it's a deal breaker then you should end it now and not lead him on. Don't be a dick and pity date the guy, that just makes you far worse than you would have been if you had just be honest with him.

At the same time I think you need to seriously consider how much of a shallow person you're being. Oh wait, 17, nevermind.

[–]DreadfulDread 24ポイント25ポイント  (6子コメント)

Oh wait, 17, nevermind.

Woah there! I'm 17 and our age is no excuse for being shallow, I'm not even that shallow...

[–]KelMage 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're right, not every 17 year old is shallow. I will defend my statement by saying that younger men have much less acceptance of differences than older men in my experience as a teacher.

[–]DreadfulDread 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, many people my age are shallow compared to older men, we can all agree on that.

[–]Ryscor 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well you kinda just decided that a guy being in a wheel chair is a deal breaker. You liked him at first and were interested in him but then decided that because of his disability you would not even give him a chance.

Also yes you're 17. All of us have been your age and all of us have been called immature and whatnot at that age as well

[–]DreadfulDread 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Are you confusing me for OP?

Yeah, I get it, but why assume every 17 y/o is immature... that's ignorant. I'm not saying OP isn't, I'm just saying all 17 y/o aren't immature and shallow.

[–]Ryscor 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Whoops lol I thought you were OP

[–]Ryscor -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

No you're right. But in this case he is proving that he is

[–]karmaranovermydogma 34ポイント35ポイント  (1子コメント)

i'm a 17 year old

and i use Grindr

Don't you have to be 18 or older according to the terms and conditions of Grindr?

[–]TheFlyingDorito 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

If GOD has a sense of Humor, the almighty would bury the meaning life in the terms and conditions of Grindr. Not a secret code in the bible, not on the dead sea scrolls, not even in our DNA. Put that shit in the middle of the grindr terms and conditions.

Now, that would be refreshing. And i would high-five GOD

[–]jpw5x4 29ポイント30ポイント  (3子コメント)

So, not only are you violating Grindr's rules of service by being under 18, but you're also putting this guy (who we can assume is over 18) at risk of criminal prosecution for going this far with you. And since you say you live in a country where hookup apps are the only way to meet guys, I'm going to assume you don't live in one of those happy modern countries where gay people aren't stoned to death. Given the difficulties of living in a place like that, and given your attitude, it sounds like this guy needs and deserves someone better than you. If you can't handle a guy in a wheelchair, how the hell are you going to handle adult life in a country where Grindr is your only way of meeting guys?

[–]Cosomo 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Age of consent throughout the world, pretty interesting read. Hell it could be 13 or 14 where he lives.

[–]jpw5x4 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Would those countries have the tech infrastructure to support smartphone apps that use GPS tracking?

[–]Cosomo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes. Read the article.

Jesus, OP where exactly do you live that Grindr is your only bet? I seriously doubt this, have you tried mygaydar.com or one of the many other sites like it?

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[–]TheFlyingDorito 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Im gonna give you more passes than John Stockton would, since you are only 17.

Do this. Tell him that you had time to think and that it isnt going to work out. Trust me he is in a wheelchair, chances are that guy is a ninja at handling disappointments. DO NOT LEAD HIM ON.

[–]captainstardriver 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Since you like everything else about him, it sounds like you are simply afraid of the disability so I urge you to challenge yourself and go on the date. You don't have to marry the guy. I have a lot of empathy for people who might be scared off by the idea of a wheelchair because in our brains things can be scary. In real life, a wheelchair is nothing to be afraid of.

[–]Alex3M3TI8 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

This makes me very sad. As gay men, we already have a very limited number of people to choose from. Based upon the description of your country, you have even smaller of a pool. Why create "dealbreakers" that artificially decrease your chances at happiness even more?

[–]Cosomo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Years before Grindr I met a guy online, really cute, we chatted for a bit and decided to meet, he pulled the same thing; "BTW I'm deaf" at the last moment. Wait, what? I didn't freak out, but I do admit my first instinct was NO, but felt like that would be a dick move to bail on someone because of that. I said okay, whatever lets meet... And yes, I was anxious as hell about it.

FF to when we met, I remember us hanging in my car talking (writing to each other via paper and pen.) No sparks, but he was mad cute and we fooled around, sucked each other off. That was the end of it, never saw/talked typed to him again.

Point of this: I would have felt like an asshole had I turned him down for his disability, it was awkward at first, I'm sure he sensed that but I don't think he was there to make small talk. (lol sorry.)

Stepping outside of your comfort zone is a difficult thing to do, hell your 17, now is the time because as you get older it gets harder and harder to do. Your thinking way to much about this, it's not like you HAVE to exchange bodily fluids, you don't OW him anything.

The worst that can come of it is you meet a great friend who has access to awesome parking spots and gets you to the front of the line at amusement parks. ;)

[–]Nightheaters 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

Maybe I'm just a dick, but why should I be considered shallow if I don't want to date someone in a wheelchair? Yet, people on this sub say it isn't shallow to not date someone because of their race because it's "just a preference".

Well, maybe it's just OP's preference to not date guys in wheelchairs.

[–]make-shift 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. Plus, the fact that the crippled guy waited until after the date was doubly-confirmed before telling the OP that he was in a wheelchair is kind of shitty. Regardless, i think the OP should just suck it up and go out with him. It's only one date.

[–]CelestialBeekeeper 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's shallow because you'd be saying that a physical feature is a deal breaker, which leads you to suddenly not want to date someone you'd otherwise be interested in.

That's what shallow means.

[–]somekook -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because it's ableist and kind of shitty.

[–]nenja_ -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sexist, racist, ableist(?!)... you people are so pc!
What if the guy (on grindr, an app made for hooking up, not really dating, anyway...) told him he didnt have a dick!
What if a guy on grinder told you that he doesn't have a dick, what would be your response?
You (probably) get off on dicks... OP maybe favors legs idk its hes choice to date who he pleases.
Downvote me whatever.

[–]northfacing 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

I seem to be in the minority, but I don't think OP is shallow, necessarily.

Obviously OP can't see himself with someone who is in a wheelchair, and that's his right. I do hope, however, that it's a logistical thing, and not a vanity thing. Logistically, you can't deny the fact that dating someone in a wheelchair would add a layer of difficulty and require a lot of adjustment. Not everyone is up for that change.

For instance, hiking is really important to me. I hike weekly, and it's something that I love to share with my man (when I have one). It would be hard for me to see myself with someone (able-bodied or not) who didn't/couldn't hike with me. I would be hesitant to get involved with someone if I knew right from the start that it was simply never going to be an option. That would require me to dramatically change my lifestyle in a way which would have a negative impact on my well-being.

That said, if a guy just wanted to hang out and fool around, and keep it casual, a wheelchair wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me.. Although, he would need to keep up in the bedroom, or else we could only be friends.

[–]captainstardriver 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's too presumptuous to say that dating someone in a wheelchair would add a layer of difficulty and require a lot of adjustment. This simply isn't true in all cases. Dating me (chair user) or a lot of the guys I know in chairs would not require much adjustment at all. In fact we're more active than a lot of AB people. Aside from wheelchair sports, I know for sure I travel a shit ton more than anyone in my family who doesn't leave their suburban bubble. I love doing new things and going new places. I'm all up for an adventure. As for the hiking I'd encourage you to keep it as a preference and not a deal-breaker. If I was dating you and you loved hiking, for God's sake go hiking and enjoy the hell out of it. We'd find other things to do together and you having your hiking time with other people might be great for our relationship. I could do my nerdy stuff that really doesn't require another person anyway. And also, consider this: You won't be able to hike forever and maybe when you're 80 you'll just want someone who's really good at sitting next to you and holding your hand. In that case, a wheelchair user might be just what you need.

[–]jpw5x4 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

How would it dramatically change your life to have a boyfriend who didn't hike? You could still go on all the hikes you wanted, just by yourself (which is what you're doing now). Plus, it's possible you'd get a boyfriend who loves to hike, but who still chafes your style. What if he hikes faster than you, or likes to sing while doing it, or insists on bringing his stupid dog every time? You might actually get to the point where hiking by yourself if is your special "me" time. Lots of couples do that, and are fine with it. Seriously, of all the dealbreakers out there, THIS is the one you consider noteworthy enough to disclose?

[–]somekook 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am really into a lot of things that I don't expect my SO to join me for.

[–]jay4812 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

What do you have to lose by going on this date? Are you super busy that it would take the time away from another date? If not man, the dude is in a wheel chair, I don't see what's the problem on going on a "fun" date either. The worst that could happen is he's a dick and you never speak to him again. Other way, if you aren't sexually attracted to him, you'd walk away with a good friend and probably made his day. Now for a grindr "hookup" if he disclosed that right before meeting up for sex, then I would mention it then, but for a date?

[–][deleted] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The one thing that most disabled people want is to be treated like everyone else. So do that. Even considering that being disabled is a deal breaker for you, keep the date. Who knows, you may find what you're looking for, but if your personalities don't match, or you can't get past the fact that he is disabled, you've at least tried. If it doesn't work out, don't feel bad because I'm sure you're not the first guy he's encountered that had a problem with his disability.

[–]throwaghey2 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

ITT: Self righteous Redditors pretending they wouldn't do the same exact thing if they were in the OP's position. Not buying it... Sorry, the guy lied to him by not letting him know about his disability, there's nothing wrong with it being a deal breaker.

[–]wintertash 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Except for the part where they guy told him about his disability. The OP didn't say he went on a date and the guy showed up in a chair, the guy told him beforehand. So... how did he not let him know.

Redditors pretending they wouldn't do the same exact thing if they were in the OP's position

Yeah, 'cause no one wants to date us disabled folk. My husband and two boyfriends would disagree with you.

[–]throwaghey2 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

He did however tell him, AFTER the date had already been planned.

The correct order would be to tell him first, see if he wants to go on a date, then plan it.

No ones saying people don't want to date disabled folks, however, at the young age of 17 it's not surprising nor uncommon for something like that to be a deal breaker. People here are being way to harsh on this kid.

[–]wintertash 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

The correct order would be to tell him first, see if he wants to go on a date, then plan it.

Honest question: why is that the correct order? Why is the burden on the chair user to assume his chair is a dealbreaker rather than on the ablebodied person? I get that it might be the more comfortable order, but why is it the correct one? And would it still be the case if he used a cane? What about crutches? I'm not saying that your perspective is inherently wrong, but that I'm not sure what it's foundation is.

Your response assumes that the chair user considers his disability to be a significant obstacle to dating or intimacy, and hence held off on disclosing it. But we have no grounds on which to make that assumption. I'll admit his actions could derive from that belief, but they also could spring from honestly seeing the chair as a minor detail about his life, particularly if his condition doesn't effect sex or intimacy.

[–]throwaghey2 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's the correct order because things that are largely outside the norm should be disclosed, and many times things outside the norm are deal-breakers. Yes, if he used a cane and crutches at the age of 17 that should be disclosed.

Things that should be disclosed before a date is planned: fitness level, current looks, mental/physical health, STD status, kid, marriages etc-- mostly anything that could be seen if you two were simply chatting at a bar (with the exception of STD's and kids obviously). This saves everyone time, and avoids potentially awkward situations as well as hurt feelings.

[–]wintertash 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

mostly anything that could be seen if you two were simply chatting at a bar

Ah, I can totally see that perspective. Thanks.

[–]throwaghey2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm actually going to revise that and say mostly anything that could be seen if the person was naked. Other potential deal breakers are if you're expecting to see a specific set of genitalia there and saw another type, or if there's some sort of other anomaly there.

[–]throwagay2016 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

he hid his disability/sprung it on you. he's smart enough to know not everybody is cool with it, but he led you on under the premise that he was an able bodied male. he probably hoped you'd be willing to look past his disability. minorities on grindr do this too sometimes because of how racist the grindr culture can be. despite this, it's still lying by withholding sensitive information. same kind of shit the government does to "protect" citizens. personally, i prefer open ended honesty and having that done to me is a deal breaker. people do the same kind of shit when they have STDs. having something sprung on me because it was assumed wouldn't be okay with it originally(even if i wouldn't be) = a 100% deal breaker.

if he knows that some people don't like it, he should just really just put it in his profile instead of inadvertently trapping guys into feeling like shit. that's really shitty on his part, even though i completely understand and respect why he does it or anybody hides things like that. it's awful that he's disabled but the plain and simple fact is not all guys are game for that shit. what he does with guys would never work if he wasn't good looking. this likely wouldn't even be a discussion if he wasn't good looking since grindr is a shallow place. most of these guys probably shoot down the fat/minority guys/girls whatever they're not attracted to without a second thought. if a wheelchair makes your dick soft, so be it.

personally, i'd never date a guy that couldn't fully take care of himself (barring a handful of special situations). if somebody becomes disabled, that's a different story. a disability from a logic standpoint is a giant red flag. if you end up in love with this person, you have to consider the potentially lifelong hassle that is being in a relationship with a disabled person. that's not the easiest thing to do, even if somebody is just deaf or blind. it requires giving a whole fucking lot of yourself. even considering and asking for advice on it shows a hell of a lot of maturity that a lot of people aren't capable of. ask each of the guys who had anything negative to say about your feelings on the matter what they do when guys are fat/minorities/trans/ugly. i'd bet most of them wouldn't be nearly as open minded as you are and that shows that you're probably a really good guy.

you're 17. i see comments trashing your grindr presence. i know there's 17 yo's on grindr. i'm adult enough to not gun for them. you're really too young to be concerned with relationships. or sex, IMO but i too had a hard dick at that age and boys will be boys. there isn't shit that happens between the day your age switches from 17 ---> 18 that magically makes you an adult/more sexually attractive. carry on doing what you're doing as long as you don't put anybody at risk (don't send or request the nudes).

tl;dr: don't feel too guilty. you shouldn't go on a date with him since you're not okay with it. if you can get past the awkward switch, you should hang out as friends if you actually have shit in common and think you'd enjoy his company but do not lead him on.

personally, i think you should give him a chance since he's attractive/sweet. maybe he looks great naked. who knows :D

[–]wintertash 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

he hid his disability/sprung it on you. he's smart enough to know not everybody is cool with it, but he led you on under the premise that he was an able bodied male.

The OP never said anywhere that the guy deliberately led him on to believe that he was able bodied. The OP made an assumption without facts, those are two really different things. And I'm not sure that "sprung it on you" is really appropriate either. You seem to be implying that there was deliberate deceit here.

Have you considered that this guy 1) figures it's worth getting to know someone a bit before bothering to mention that he's a wheelchair user and 2) that to him (and many people) it's not a giant revelation, but just a piece of info relevant for date planning, same as "I don't drive, so we need a restaurant near the subway" or any other logistical concern.

Here's the thing, if it was the wheelchair user posting on /r/askgaybros and asking if he should disclose his wheelchair use on Grindr, the overwhelming majority of people would say "don't put it in your profile, but mention it before you actually meet up with someone." I know that because although I'm not a wheelchair user, I have a visible physical disability (that is at least as awkward on a date as a wheelchair, if not much more so) and that is the advice I've gotten on this sub in the past.

[–]throwagay2016 -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

if the wishes of a majority was always the best option, there would still be slavery in america. IJS. group think doesn't always produce the best answer. you can pretend grindr isn't shallow if you want.

[–]kathybatesfan5000 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Fun fact! Saying "i'm just saying" is the surest way to make people discount what you're saying. It's the "I'm not racist, but..." of arguing! :D

[–]throwagay2016 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

i could write something long as fuck out explaining myself...but i already did. don't give a fuck.

[–]kathybatesfan5000 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I actually agree with your point, simply the "IJS" (I'm just saying, usually) in the middle there makes it harder to swallow. Fluff text like that is not only unnecessary, but makes people steer away from what you're saying. It's like ending a paper with "In conclusion." We all know you're just saying that, because you said it.

[–]throwagay2016 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

the purpose of the IJS was to be a bit of an ass

[–]kathybatesfan5000 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Exactly why I started mine out with "Fun fact!" XD

[–]throwagay2016 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

hahahaha, we'd get along

[–]fluffhoof 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Imo, you're already being a dick with having a wheelchair use as a dealbreaker, but whatever.

I think cancelling the date is the less dickish move (you don't lead him on, and you don't go on the date out of pity, and you treat him the same as anyone else that revealed a dealbreaker shortly before the first date) here.

[–]somekook 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're a dick. Call the date off.

[–]throwagay2016 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

calling a 17 year old a dick because he's not interested in disabled men. nice

[–]selfinflikted 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Stop being shallow, closed minded, and go on the date - that's what you should do.

[–]_Norm_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

He misrepresented himself to OP until after the date had been set up and then revealed this fact afterwards so that OP could have no way out without seeming like a jerk. He's manipulative and a liar, that's a huge red flag.

[–]TectonicHeartbreak 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with everything except the last sentence. He should have disclosed something like that much earlier on, even put it in his bio.

I don't agree with calling him manipulative and a liar. Sometimes when you have some bad experiences you can be afraid to disclose something like that, it takes a bit of bravery. Honestly, I don't agree with the time the guy told but I don't blame him. I, personally, wouldn't be really upset but other people may.

[–]selfinflikted 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

Understandably, he withheld information. Yes he did. But he came clean prior to the date, which tells me he was trying to do the right thing.

[–]_Norm_ 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

prior to the date

So OP would have no socially acceptable out. The guy knew thus would be a problem. He went through all the motions of hiding his chair in photos and never bringing it up on his profile. He's guilting OP into the date just as all the posts here are. That's manipulative as fuck

[–]captainstardriver 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think it's necessarily intentionally manipulative but I do think it's better to talk about a disability before the idea of a date is even brought up or at least before agreeing to a date. Trust me, deciding when to disclose a disability is a learning process for a person and a balance between safety, comfort, intent, and a whole bunch of other things. I think one of my first posts in this sub was asking "When do you want to know that I use a wheelchair?" I have decided it really varies. If I am communicating with someone online I don't always have the intention to want to date them but sometimes it goes that way.

[–]selfinflikted 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I do not see it that way. /shrug

[–]montagnais -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are a dumbass beyond understanding. Wow

[–]throwagay2016 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

explaining to people why that shit isn't okay is one of the many nuanced things that a large amount of people on this sub (almost any sub) don't understand. trying to explain it to them is almost a waste of time.

[–]lalocolin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

In your shoes I'll go out with him, you're not compromised to be his psrtner or his boyfriend maybe you can do a good friendship, grindr is not an app where you are commited to formalize a relayionship. Gay friendships are important.

[–]pinkdinosaurclub 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you're calling this a friendship then shouldn't you go meet him anyway? Things only can go as far as one allows. One date doesn't mean sex or marriage.

[–]retepone 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd go out with the guy, after all you enjoyed each other for the past few days and he's cute! He may become a real friend. Tell him you were a bit surprised, but wanted to meet anyhow. I wouldn't use the word crippled, but its ok to a bit uncomfortable. He may not be the guy your looking for, but that doesn't mean you can't enjoy each other as friends. There's really nothing to loose. So he's added another fact about himself, I'd go for it. He may be real hot!

[–]Steve2982 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

So, I think I understand how you feel. He definitely sprung it on you at the last minute and it puts you in a difficult spot.

Certainly, some people have severe disabilities, and I would imagine they know that it's a lot to ask of a potential partner to sign up with a guy who can't get dressed without help.

On the other hand, some guys in wheelchairs play basketball, lift weights, and are fully functional sexually.

I don't know what this particular guy's situation is, but I think you owe it to yourself to find out. As you get older you may come to discover that everyone has their flaws and challenges, some are just harder to see than others.

Go on the date. Maybe you like him, maybe you become friends or lovers. Maybe there's no chemistry or he rejects you. In any event I think you'll feel better about yourself for giving him a shot.

[–]WlTCH 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only go on a date if you're still interested in being friends with him. If you're not interested, tell him the truth. No need to apologize, both of you lost time with this, but be kind.

[–]3headeddragn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ok this is what you do. You go on a few dates with this guy, then just tell him you would prefer to be friends. Don't bring up the wheelchair thing at all, just tell him that he isn't what you are looking for to date but that you would like to remain friends.

[–]blowhardV2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Live your life - embrace your freedom - you are under no obligation whatsoever.

[–]mikehipp 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

These people who are calling your shallow are wrong. The guy sprung the wheelchair on you after you agreed to a date.

Be up front, believe me he's probably heard it all before.

Having said all of that - I don't think you should be closed minded. Gay people are 3% of the population and women are 50% of the gay population. That means you have like 1.5% of the population from which to draw your dates - automatically shutting out anybody is a bad game strategy.

[–]Chris-in-WA 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why is it a dealbreaker?

[–]TectonicHeartbreak 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because there are some people that don't want to be seen with someone in a wheelchair or don't want to deal with issues those in wheelchairs face. It's upsetting but it's how it is.