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[–]whateverBRIANwhatever 3117ポイント3118ポイント  (717子コメント)

She has some serious adrenaline pumping through the entire video. You see she is shaking and hear it in her voice.

[–]Ebolafingers 901ポイント902ポイント  (199子コメント)

It's easy to be on the net and act a tough. It's hard to be face to face with someone and debate in a composed manner. I know for a fact I can't debate worth shit in real life. I get side tracked easily and can't pull anything from memory. That's mostly my anxiety disorder and ADD playing ball with each other. I'm the kind of guy who will be in the shower the next morning and suddenly go 'shit, I should have said this instead of that yesterday'.

So I admire when people can actually work up the nerve and debate someone mano a mano.

[–]SwirlySauce 150ポイント151ポイント  (23子コメント)

I'm the same way. I can argue and debate just fine in my head, but it takes me a while to articulate my ideas in the form of intellectual sentences.

[–]Ukani 152ポイント153ポイント  (14子コメント)

This is why I constantly get accused by family/friends on never taking a stance on anything. Its not that I don't have a stance on any issue its that I know I cant properly convey that stance on the spot without becoming a babbling wreck so I choose to keep my mouth shut.

It always makes me so uncomfortable when people try to debate big issues like war, religion, politics in real life during casual conversation because 99% of people really suck at it and end up sounding so ignorant on the issue they are trying to debate even if they really do know quite a bit about the topic.

[–]DrSleeper 39ポイント40ポイント  (2子コメント)

I recommend you start debating people. Being able to debate people and share your opinion is a skill that can be learned. Start doing it and get better at it by making a fool of yourself a few times. In the long run it's better since bottling everything up because you're afraid of getting flustered will only increase your anxiety about it.

[–]intensely_human 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

To be honest reddit is the medium I dreamed of as a kid because I couldn't debate in person.: A public forum where you take the time to compose your thoughts, where you can't be interrupted, where third parties vote on everything you say, and where the other guy can't say something and then later claim he didn't say it (without ending up with an asterisk next to his comment).

[–]redsteel132 250ポイント251ポイント  (139子コメント)

I like how the african-american woman says that its kind of ironic that someone cant withdraw consent given at an anti-rape rally but when the point she is trying to make gets crushed and turned around on her she says the journalist is acting like a 12 year old and that the very point she was previously trying to make is now irrelevant because it no longer benefits her.

[–]me_gusta_poon 112ポイント113ポイント  (7子コメント)

I think she's african-Canadian which I think is just called black

[–]Bardlar 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

If they have black skin, they're black regardless what country they live in or come from. I hate that PC "african-american" bullshit. "Black" is just a descriptor. Some Trinidadian people might be dark enough to be called black, that doesn't mean he's from Africa, it just means he looks black, which is perfectly fine to refer to someone as.

[–]medioxcore 593ポイント594ポイント  (67子コメント)

black. she's black. you can say that. they aren't all african.

[–]RedFormansBoot 98ポイント99ポイント  (44子コメント)

Up until a few years ago it was politically correct to say 'African-Canadian'/'African-American'. I can see the frustration but there's no point in scolding people for using a term most major news outlets used regularly five years ago.

[–]watchasay 66ポイント67ポイント  (10子コメント)

I don't see how calling someone black was ever an issue if they are in fact black....

[–]T3hSwagman 46ポイント47ポイント  (12子コメント)

That whole thing is completely idiotic. They are born in America, they are American-Americans. Why do we say African-American, but we dont say Dutch-American, or English-American, or Welsh-American?

This is the exact kind of exclusivity that just promotes racism by harping on the differences. "You are black so you need a special title" They are just Americans, everyone born in America is American, thats how this country works.

[–]mctuking 31ポイント32ポイント  (4子コメント)

Hardly scolding. Also, I don't think it was ever correct to call a Canadian african-american.

[–]CutInTwo 2241ポイント2242ポイント  (304子コメント)

It's tough to go against the grain.

Edit: a few things I'd like to address.

I'm getting many replies that seem to overlap and I like that it's generated discussion and questions.

No the journalist is not expressing a viewpoint that is "against the grain" in the larger scheme of things. But she is putting herself inside a context that she knows will surely reject her and subject her to hostility. It's the latter context that she is opposing and this is what I was referring to in my comment.

Also, note that I'm not taking sides here. I am merely conjecturing as to why she was shaking and seemed to be operating on adrenaline in most of the video. I think it's because it's difficult to put one's self in a situation where your views are directly contradicting the immediate context without having a largish number of people to support/echo your views.

Finally, yes the women at the rally are also going against the grain in the context of society in general but they did not appear to be shaking and nervous because (I speculate) they had several other friends and like minds echoing their viewpoint. This emboldens them and gives them a feeling of "being right" or "doing the right thing". It generates confidence and boldness.

So in the video and at the event itself, I sort of see what's hapenning on three levels. Society at large > the protesters > the journalist. And I don't use "greater than" to express moral superiority but rather to express the pressure exterted to conform.

The protesters empowered each other to go against the grain in the larger context of society and the journalist went out on her own (with a single cameraman it appears) against the protesters.

I am doing my best to view this in a value neutral light. I find it is fascinating to see all these ideologies collide but I don't personally invest a lot emotionally in this debate. It is not my fight to fight.

Thanks for reading and engaging me.

[–]Chillaxbro 821ポイント822ポイント  (278子コメント)

but it can feel soooo good sometimes ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[–]Elevate_Your_Mind 1142ポイント1143ポイント  (264子コメント)

4:55 She catches one of the femnazi's up in their own hypocritical fucked up logic.. Edit: downvote but don't respond you cowards.

[–]Oberyn_TheRed_Viper 487ポイント488ポイント  (50子コメント)

I had a hearty laugh at the black chick right at the end. Logic just goes out the window when they are losing the argument.

[–]Hingl_McCringleberry 546ポイント547ポイント  (30子コメント)

And they immediately attack her with "you sound like a 12 year old."

You can always tell someone has lost track of their own argument when they resort to insults (in order to remain "superior")

[–]HighSorcerer 144ポイント145ポイント  (7子コメント)

I like that the person calling the other person a 12 year old is the one being childish. I wish these people could hear themselves, but they're too busy trying to be louder than everyone else.

[–]kiddhitta 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

the ad hominem fallacy. Attack the person rather than the argument. A sign of a person who is losing an argument.

[–]LexxLuffa 215ポイント216ポイント  (96子コメント)

2:39

So they are reported.

[–]ngreen23 179ポイント180ポイント  (91子コメント)

Calling in a help centre because you're having trouble dealing with the fact that you've been raped is different from reporting rape to the police.

[–]Azothlike 351ポイント352ポイント  (145子コメント)

Some people aren't good under pressure, and she was obviously in a high pressure, confrontational situation.

[–]Xx_MR_X_xX 381ポイント382ポイント  (123子コメント)

I agree with your statement I just want to point out that the reporter (Lauren) did a great job with her arguments in this video.

[–]Azothlike 95ポイント96ポイント  (10子コメント)

I would agree in general, except for the issue of reported/unreported.

But the adrenaline was negatively impacting her speech. She sounded erratic and frantic, and often stopped or jumped sentences instead of being fluid and coherent, and it was pretty clear that it was because she was too "hyped up" to be calm and completely coherent.

[–]Jioo 46ポイント47ポイント  (2子コメント)

I thought it was more related to the fact that she was walking around while talking.

[–]whatevers_clever 31ポイント32ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah I noticed that too. You can tell it carried althroughout from the beginning where she explained she had had a run in with the group and was now following them.

The breathing/shaking/some difficulty talking is all adrenaline/her heart pounding.

Should have took a minute to breathe and calm down.

[–]adubbz 74ポイント75ポイント  (8子コメント)

But she's pretty damn good about making her points. I would have been stuttering like a fool.

[–]ChuckFinley_Burned 2762ポイント2763ポイント  (382子コメント)

"So if you give a man consent the night before and then wake up and decide that you want to charge him with rape, you are saying that is okay?"

"You are sounding like a 12 year old because this is irrelevant."

......I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

Edit: Yes I understand the black women's parallel, and that her and the reporter have different timelines in each of their examples. Both parties are right, but the black women doesn't do a good job at conveying her message.

[–]ineedtoremeber 1219ポイント1220ポイント  (93子コメント)

I would be more concerned with the fact that the black girl is likening rape to being on a youtube journalism video without consent..

[–]dirtyjersey84 1503ポイント1504ポイント  (76子コメント)

Sienfield was right.... These kids have no clue what racism and sexism are anymore.

The tumblr hoards of self righteous, pathetically obsessed attention seekers will have their day...

[–]Pocahontas_Spaceman 164ポイント165ポイント  (25子コメント)

[–]Aterius 42ポイント43ポイント  (9子コメント)

Jesus that's depressing. I'm 10 years out of college but I saw the signs then...

[–]timbowen 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thanks for sharing this. I thought that this was a seriously excellent piece of writing.

My prime time quote: " Ideally, we can have a conversation that is conscious of the role of identity issues and confident of the ideas that emanate from the people who embody those identities. It would call out and criticize unfair, arbitrary, or otherwise stifling discursive boundaries, but avoid falling into pettiness or nihilism. It wouldn't be moderate, necessarily, but it would be deliberate. It would require effort."

[–]zaviex 160ポイント161ポイント  (25子コメント)

He was right as far as comedy is concerned. I think people do get it for the most part socially. But yeah its ridiculous how many people can't just take a joke anymore. Im black and Louis CK dropping N-bombs was funny because of the context but he still got incredible hate for it

[–]piscina_de_la_muerte 89ポイント90ポイント  (11子コメント)

This is reminding me of the George Carlin bit where he explains that no words are inherently bad, its all context.

[–]shellwe 94ポイント95ポイント  (5子コメント)

No, the black woman's parallel would be if during the act of recording she wanted to stop, but this was after the act was finished the interviewee regretted what she did. The reporter is completely right in this case.

[–]Snowfire870 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not only that but how does the reporter know which ones to pull (if she were to that is) some random female came up to her not the ones she interviewed. For all she knows the black lady could have just said that to try and ruin the interview period.

[–]jarymane00 101ポイント102ポイント  (16子コメント)

In reality, "revoking consent" during sex just means that if you say you want to have sex, and then during sex you say you want to stop having sex for whatever reason, then the sex has to stop immediately. It doesn't mean you are able to revoke consenting sex that happened in the past and call it rape.

[–]SquatThot 34ポイント35ポイント  (11子コメント)

But they just used that precise example to justify their call for her to not use the footage she gathered.

[–]Budddy 26ポイント27ポイント  (5子コメント)

Their withdraw of consent for the interviews is more like trying to reverse your sexual consent the next morning, after everything is said and done.

A more accurate comparison with legitimately revoking consent would be if they had heard her questions and then declined to answer and walked away. They made the decision to shoot their mouth off with stupid.

[–]WenieWaggler 2302ポイント2303ポイント  (161子コメント)

Ponytail boy trying so hard to hang out long enough to get some pussy.

[–]ALDUINSBANE 1859ポイント1860ポイント  (60子コメント)

I'm gonna rape him.

Edit: guys I got fired. Just kidding. I got a raise. What is this Africa?

[–]TheCopyPasteLife 603ポイント604ポイント  (41子コメント)

TRIGGER WARNING

I have been triggered and I didn't give consent to be triggered, so I'll be reporting this.

[–]bonermunch69 74ポイント75ポイント  (4子コメント)

He probably just saw the first episode of Always Sunny

[–]Cid420 354ポイント355ポイント  (63子コメント)

I love the kinds of guys who go to these things. "All men are evil! But I'm an exception!".

It is kind of scary though how any guy would voluntarily hang out with women who think consent can be revoked at any time after the fact.

[–]evilgiraffemonkey 778ポイント779ポイント  (38子コメント)

Is it ok to yell "Fuck her consensually in the pussy"?

[–]komnenos 204ポイント205ポイント  (15子コメント)

But what if she regrets it the next day and says that the shitlord male coerced her?

[–]Busybyeski 50ポイント51ポイント  (4子コメント)

No means no.

Yes can also mean no at any given time in the future.

[–]howajambe 62ポイント63ポイント  (8子コメント)

Woa woa woah woah woah. Wait a tick.

"I only consented to have sex with him because I was afraid that if I said no he was going to rape me anyways."

Ohhhh my fuuuuuuuuuucking Gooooooooooooooood.

[–]kjhwkejhkhdsfkjhsdkf 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

I read an argument that if a college girl dates her professor, by the very virtue of his position of authority above her, he is raping her.

Kinda a mixed message to send though, that a woman in her 20s is unable to consent to such a relationship.

[–]warox13 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

We were taught in college that if anyone has any alcohol their judgement is impaired and therefore cannot give consent, so drinking a beer and having sex afterwards is rape.

[–]Koean 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Fucking good"? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[–]TheVvote 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah that phrase does not necessitate rape in any way at all. Maybe the fad of yelling it on the news is a little immature but that discussion is in the realm of free speech, nothing to do with rape.

[–]iMando 3974ポイント3975ポイント  (390子コメント)

I initially consented to watch this video but now I am withdrawing that consent. But I cannot unwatch. Effectively, I was video raped.

[–]Ihavenocomments 600ポイント601ポイント  (162子コメント)

/r/shitredditsays will be linking this comment in the next few minutes...

Edit: Well, that only took 15 minutes. I'm not going to link to their link, that's probably a bannable offense or something. Plus, Linkception.

[–]iammrpositive 383ポイント384ポイント  (102子コメント)

Yes. Linking to their subreddit is not allowed because you could be accused of brigading, which is a bannable offense and can also get an entire subreddit banned... when all SRS is is links to other subreddits and comments that they think are bad. How does this make any sense? Reddit sucks. There needs to be a new Reddit...

[–]Iperma-bannedI 178ポイント179ポイント  (15子コメント)

SRS and SRD do nothing except brigade. It's ok though cause the admins are regulars. Those subs are the equivalent to those games we would play as kids. Hey kid! I shot you, you're dead! Nu-uh! I have a force field that protects me from your bullets and I now have every super power ever! Fucking children. The lot of them.

[–]cucktaleswoowoo 228ポイント229ポイント  (52子コメント)

The admins are regulars of SRS in case you didn't know. It's why people make fun of reddit.

[–]iammrpositive 110ポイント111ポイント  (36子コメント)

Oh I know. You don't want to upset SRS or even SRD. I'm not a tinfoil hat sort of guy but Reddit has changed a lot since I first started coming here, and not for the better. Especially recently with that no harassment rule. You have to be really careful if you are part of a controversial sub because the admins will jump on any reason to ban it. That rule just seems like more wiggle room for them to censor the site.

[–]sanfranidiot 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

That rule just seems like more wiggle room for them to censor the site.

Nailed it, it makes it more likely for dissenters to be banned. People don't like their core beliefs challenged, they want to circlejerk with others about them.

[–]Frux7 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

The new CEO was hired to get reddit ready for an IPO. So they are trying to sanitize the harsher aspects of reddit so that people think it's just a super swell place. The whole /r/jailbait on the news think has them spooked that buyers will think it's a place full of degenerate perverts.

[–]sanfranidiot 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

There needs to be a new Reddit...

Right now, I'm giving Voat a try.

Management of Reddit sucked before SRS, BTW.

Edit: being trolled right now. Someone must have pushed the report button on me, because my comments are getting throttled. "you are doing that too much, try again in 8 minutes."

[–]shadyinternets 53ポイント54ポイント  (15子コメント)

holy shit.

i have never been to that subreddit and i dont even know what i just saw.

so many downvotes. i couldnt figure out if that place is a joke or what.

i need to bleach my brain now.

[–]Mr_Incrediboy 143ポイント144ポイント  (31子コメント)

I'm also expecting a lot of the "these aren't real feminists" fallacy.

[–]turquoiserabbit 178ポイント179ポイント  (16子コメント)

"True Scotsmen" is the patriarchal term you are looking for...

[–]theinsolubletaco 54ポイント55ポイント  (12子コメント)

Don't forget the person who says that the No True Scotsman fallacy does not apply here, because reasons.

[–]AshFair 924ポイント925ポイント  (79子コメント)

I initially consented to read this comment but now I am withdrawing that consent. But I cannot unread. Effectively, I was comment raped.

[–]Ganoes-Stabro_Paran 257ポイント258ポイント  (12子コメント)

I read this while drunk and upvoted it, but tomorrow I will regret it and downvote it.

[–]turnpikenorth 23ポイント24ポイント  (6子コメント)

I up voted because I was drunk and thought you were Tavore, but now sober I realize you are Ganoes, so down vote.

[–]TotesMessenger 185ポイント186ポイント  (62子コメント)

[–]Donald_Keyman 1392ポイント1393ポイント  (190子コメント)

To scantily clad girl "So how do you believe your outfit is going to stop rape culture?"

"It's my body it's my choice I can wear what I want. And, it shouldn- this is exemplifying how it's a crime scene, like - wearing the caution tape that they - would normally put around a physically crime scene with- when it's no- rea- regarding a person- but regarding me- it's- regarding people it's not considered a crime scene- that's fucked up..."

[–]Mr_Incrediboy 2213ポイント2214ポイント  (32子コメント)

Some people dont think it be like it is, but it do.

[–]agent_lundyx 514ポイント515ポイント  (19子コメント)

Except this makes vastly more sense

[–]Giant_Badonkadonk 698ポイント699ポイント  (72子コメント)

Well to be fair it can be hard to properly explain yourself when you are suddenly put on the spot, but I really have no idea what she is trying to say.

Her body is a crime scene? People don't consider her body a crime scene? Why is it bad that people don't consider her body a crime scene? Why is her body a crime scene? Don't the police/medical personnel treat the person's body as a crime scene when they have been raped?

[–]Ozwaldo 546ポイント547ポイント  (27子コメント)

Well to be fair it can be hard to properly explain yourself when you are put on the spot when you weren't expecting it

True, but if the whole point of what you are is doing is supposed to be that you have a message... then you should actually have a message

[–]pirate_life4me 105ポイント106ポイント  (0子コメント)

That outfit is a crime scene guuuurl. snap snap snap

[–]tsilihin666 134ポイント135ポイント  (10子コメント)

I think she meant to say her body is a disaster area and everyone should stay away.

[–]Makorbit 96ポイント97ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is what happens when people only put surface level thought into things, and then pretend like they're deeper than the ocean.

[–]Lazerspewpew 56ポイント57ポイント  (3子コメント)

That was just as bad as the Miss America girl being incoherent.

[–]justagameboy 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

translation: dat pussy so bomb its should be considered a crime scene.

[–]Unfiltered_Soul 541ポイント542ポイント  (117子コメント)

My favorite part

When you can't think of an answer back.... CHARACTER ATTACK!

[–]matafubar 556ポイント557ポイント  (28子コメント)

She found a logical flaw to an argument... "You sound like a 12 year old".

Which is pretty telling because to her, a 12 year old can completely destroy her logic.

[–]OneHorseMan 127ポイント128ポイント  (9子コメント)

That's a response I wouldn't think of until three weeks later.

[–]CoolLikeAFoolinaPool 48ポイント49ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well the jerkstore called they're all outta you!

[–]Jeffffffffffs 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

That sure is a long staircase.

[–]t6h54srt65 351ポイント352ポイント  (35子コメント)

that literally happened to me. i made out with a girl, she said stop. i stopped. she claimed i assaulted her. lost all my friends. i stopped when she said and i was still a rapist.

[–]cybercuzco_2 123ポイント124ポイント  (20子コメント)

This is why I remained a male virgin until I was 26. That and the neck beard.

[–]SilentPterodactyl 95ポイント96ポイント  (33子コメント)

Wow... just wow. I'm blown away by how dense some of these women in the video are. Holy shit... wow.

[–]IM_THE_MOON_AMA 92ポイント93ポイント  (30子コメント)

"We live in a rape culture and my body is not an object!" has "slut" written on body and only wearing police tape on breasts and privates...

[–]DolitehGreat 25ポイント26ポイント  (24子コメント)

So, did anyone understand the point that one woman was trying to make? Words just kinda flew out of her mouth whiel attempting to make some sort of symbolic stance and I missed it all.

[–]Nightwing___ 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

She was confused and accidentally recited her pro choice argument.

[–]2smart4u 728ポイント729ポイント  (129子コメント)

The girl complaining about "F her right in the P" is a complete idiot. There's absolutely no way that is related to rape unless you put context around it.

[–]Cid420 646ポイント647ポイント  (59子コメント)

People who believe in rape culture do not give a fuck about anything except trying to find rape references in EVERYTHING.

[–]Wonderful_Derp 153ポイント154ポイント  (18子コメント)

RAINN: The nation's largest anti-sexual assault organization thinks that believing in a rape culture does little to help. http://time.com/30545/its-time-to-end-rape-culture-hysteria/

[–]corranhorn85 22ポイント23ポイント  (8子コメント)

Why is it that violence against women is characterized as the ultimate evil when violence against men is so much more prevalent in both media and reality. When violence against women is viewed as so much more heinous an act than the same level of violence perpetrated against a man. Women committing acts of violence against men in film are seen as empowered. Men who are raped are treated as a punchline. A film can show the murder of countless men without a seconds hesitation and zero negative response. The reason that violence against women is used in films is because it shows that the bad guy is really bad. You could show him murder a man in cold blood but it would have less impact than having him hit a woman.

[–]dammshite 131ポイント132ポイント  (28子コメント)

F her in the P, it was a thing for about 10 minutes.

Just like the knockout game.

A big, fat, nothing.

[–]TheScamr 52ポイント53ポイント  (7子コメント)

People had been playing the knock out game for years before it hit the news.

[–]Donald_Keyman 211ポイント212ポイント  (4子コメント)

People have been fucking her right in the pussy for millennia before it hit the news.

[–]Snarfler 31ポイント32ポイント  (8子コメント)

not even comparable IMO. The knockout game people got fucking punched in the head randomly. The only thing good to come out of the knock out game was that one guy who got shot by that old lady after he couldn't knock her out.

[–]royale_with_cheezz 82ポイント83ポイント  (7子コメント)

Its like saying we live in a murder culture because when you do well on a test you say "i killed that test" or when you lose a sports game you say "the other team murdered us" its dumb feminist logic

[–]bigbowlowrong 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Both sides of this video irritated me. I don't know why I watched it until the end.

[–]eastbeachcoastin 44ポイント45ポイント  (2子コメント)

The "I got raped by that test" quote is literally the epitome of what Seinfeld was talking about with college students becoming too politically correct

[–]HaberdasherA 884ポイント885ポイント  (222子コメント)

The girl at the end wasn't able to answer the question because these feminists really do believe women can revoke consent anytime they want.

This is one of the biggest causes of false rape accusation too. A girl has sex, then later on she either feels guilty or regretful and instead of taking personal responsibility like an adult and saying "oh man, why did I choose to have sex with that guy? that was so dumb of me" she thinks "I'm a victim, its not my fault".

[–]IM_THE_MOON_AMA 618ポイント619ポイント  (71子コメント)

At my high school, no more than 3 weeks ago, a girl cried rape (they did have sex) when she and her boyfriend broke up, after they fought. But the catch is: she only told students and not faculty. Poor dude had to not go into school because everyone who the girl told ostracized him. Once a principle found out they had a talk and found out he liked another girl and they broke up, which made her spread the rumors. In the end, the girl he wanted to ask out instead said she'd never date a rapist and rejected him. The girl who made the false claims got no kind of punishment at all for lying about a felony.

[–]McGarnacIe 171ポイント172ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck that makes me angry to hear stories like these.

[–]SpeakLikeAChild04 260ポイント261ポイント  (48子コメント)

[–]J-Unleashed 216ポイント217ポイント  (24子コメント)

Ohmygod, ohmygod... is it Mattress Girl? I read on 4chan that she's like Jesus carrying that thing around, because she was nailed on it three times.

[–]wiseclockcounter 33ポイント34ポイント  (23子コメント)

NSFW make that 4 times (at least, lol). Here's the porno/reenactment/artpiece she released of her getting fucked in the butt. Note at 2:53 when she orders him to hit her again.

[–]Handicrap 36ポイント37ポイント  (8子コメント)

I know she said no wanking to this video but imma try my hardest just to spite this cunt

[–]mypoortits 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

Those clown feet...

Can't do it.

[–]SepDot 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

I cannot stop stating at them.....

[–]ALIVEtobeDEAD 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why are you yelling at those feet?

[–]J-Unleashed 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've watched it twice. Once on my own, once with my girlfriend. This video is shit. I want my 8 minutes for each viewing back.

[–]snakesandstuff 63ポイント64ポイント  (5子コメント)

True. I know a girl (don't communicate with her at all anymore) that cried rape for attention. She had sex with a guy, regretted it, told a coworker about the regret, and the coworker convinced her she was raped. She THEN decided to go to police. "I was raped" became her new identity for sympathy.

The guy was arrested and harassed by the police, but thankfully that is where it ended.

[–]CHARLIE_CANT_READ 45ポイント46ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yet a guy getting blackout drunk and waking up next to a chick he regrets meeting is a pretty common joke in this country. Not saying it's not funny, it kind of is, but pretending that doesn't go both ways is pretty insulting to women. It pretty much assumes that they are victims by default and don't need to take responsibility for their actions.

[–]kittykatie0629 144ポイント145ポイント  (40子コメント)

It makes me sad that she wouldn't listen to the statistics of less than 10% of rapes being reported. It cut off right when she said "...so they're reported"

...But they're not. I was raped and went to a rape crisis center. I had a forensic rape kit done and received counseling to deal with PTSD but never reported the rape. Seeking help doesn't mean reporting.

It's not all black and white like she believes.

[–]Love_Bulletz 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

She's confusing "told somebody" with "reported" on purpose.

[–]weevil_boy 489ポイント490ポイント  (68子コメント)

This was a pretty shit video. Lots of cutaways before someone could respond, such as at 2:38 seconds. The lady the reporter was talking to was making perfectly reasonable conversation and then the reporter sneaks in a comment that misrepresents the statement made by the lady she's interviewing and cuts away without airing the response. All this video really demonstrates to me is how you can skew something to look the way you want it to look with editing techniques and lack of context.

Near the start of the video there's her claim about how her camerman is being attacked and someone says "he touched me first". We don't know what actually happened. She just says "oh come on" and then immediately cuts away. And we're supposed to what - just take her side of it because she has a microphone?

This video was weak.

[–]thereisonlyoneme 49ポイント50ポイント  (1子コメント)

Also she holds up a sign with a message contrary to the rally. Way to remain objective. I wouldn't call her a journalist. Poor man's Jerry Springer maybe.

[–]Surely_Relevant 162ポイント163ポイント  (5子コメント)

ARE YOU IMPLYING THAT REDDIT WOULD ACTUALLY UPVOTE A VIDEO THAT DISHONESTLY PIECES TOGETHER FOOTAGE TO CREATE A NEGATIVE IMAGE OF FEMINISM?

[–]taintpaint 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah that was a weird moment. A lot of this video is just her fundamentally misunderstanding things and then either talking to people who can't verbalize her simple mistakes or cutting away before they do. That part in particular felt like a jarringly desperate attempt to leave out the last five seconds when the other woman would've explained the difference between calling a help hotline and calling the police. Or would've pointed out how the reporter was being intentionally oblivious to the difference.

[–]matafubar 1797ポイント1798ポイント  (377子コメント)

Guys, this is an edited video that probably cherry-picked the worse and the dumbest people the walk had to offer.

Slutwalk stemmed from an issue where woman who were raped were told that they "deserved it" because of the way they dressed. The video just showed a couple instances of SJWs being dumb like they normally are. The core message of slutwalk should still be something that should make sense to us.

[–]beer_is_tasty 892ポイント893ポイント  (142子コメント)

And even despite the cherry-picking, a lot of the interviewees gave pretty rational responses.

Like the lady towards the beginning talking about rapes being underreported. The interviewer asks for a source for her claims, so she lists a bunch of sources. Then the interviewer just asks the same question again, pretending like she couldn't come up with a source.

Sure, there were some stupid statements, but if you've ever been interviewed live, without the luxury of having a few minutes behind your keyboard to formulate a response, you'll know it's a lot damn harder than most people think. Even if you have very rational arguments in your head, it's hard to formulate them into a statement that doesn't spew out incoherently, and you can end up sounding like a babbling idiot. Like the girl in the caution tape.

It's very easy to sit here and go "LOL feminazis," but actual confrontation is hard. I give props to everyone in this video for that.

[–]fifflarencastswell 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like the lady towards the beginning talking about rapes being underreported. The interviewer asks for a source for her claims, so she lists a bunch of sources. Then the interviewer just asks the same question again, pretending like she couldn't come up with a source.

Uh, don't forget that the interviewee first asked the interviewer for statistics, and then quickly cut her off as soon as she stated her first number.

[–]cocktails5 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

I did competitive extemporaneous speaking in HS/college and I still sounded like a babbling idiot sometimes. Your brain has this funny way of just starting to spew out complete shit when it doesn't know what to do.

[–]pet_my_weiner_dog 120ポイント121ポイント  (14子コメント)

While I think the reporter's message has merit, this moment seemed disingenuous. It felt like she intentionally ignored the distinction between "reported to the police and counted into widely quoted statistics" vs "confided in support services but not reported to police."

[–]weevil_boy 109ポイント110ポイント  (7子コメント)

She absolutely did, and then cut away to make it look like she'd "won".

[–]DeleteSelfPls 44ポイント45ポイント  (6子コメント)

Oh my god, yes. Thank you. I bet that woman she was talking to threw that shit in her face the second after she cut away. "So they were reported." What a stupid thing to say. She's trying way too hard to counter literally everything they say.

[–]questionwhatIsay 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Unfortunately it seems like the reporter has to be against what the protest is about, rather than clarifying the misinformation certain agent provocateurs provide to misguide others. She's looking at the issue as Black-and-White, she's on the "rational" side and the SJW Feminists on the other

She should have just acknowledged that woman was right. My significant other was sexually assaulted when she was young and only in the last few months have I been one of the few people she has ever told (none of these people being law enforcement of any kind) - she was literally crying her eyes out because she didnt want to think about. That's not something you can conveniently ignore when you are a journalist

[–]chomstar 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah that interaction made me cringe. The reporter sounded like a complete idiot.

[–]NomNomAssholes 338ポイント339ポイント  (67子コメント)

Thank god there's rational discussion going on. I don't understand reddit anymore, everyday there's at least 1 post that's in the top 10 that affirms the stereotypical mensrights/kotakuinaction/women are liars train of thought.

Reading through this post is nauseating, people saying "yeah I knew girls who lied about rape." And I knew girls who were raped, like anecdotal stories are valid in this discussion.

[–]redbluegreenyellow 210ポイント211ポイント  (36子コメント)

Without fail, every single time rape is mentioned on reddit, false reporting is also brought up. And takes over the discussion.

[–]lll_lll_lll 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like the lady towards the beginning talking about rapes being underreported. The interviewer asks for a source for her claims, so she lists a bunch of sources. Then the interviewer just asks the same question again, pretending like she couldn't come up with a source.

I know, right? She said "you can look it up online." Ironclad source right there.

edit:

so I checked her source of "looking it up online" and for anyone interested, the figure is based on anonymous polling of 90,000 U.S. Households and comparing those figures to the FBI official amount of reported rapes. They found that a much larger percentage of the polled households reported being raped compared to the FBI numbers.

As far as their methodology, or the motives behind the organization responsible, I can't find anything. Except I read they were using a very broad definition of rape compared to the FBI. (Including drunk sex, etc.)

[–]SquashSalad 405ポイント406ポイント  (23子コメント)

you're forgetting this is Reddit. We love to cherry pick and get our pitch forks.

[–]Atticus66 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is the problem with wanted to "win this argument." Both sides want their side to be 100% right. Do we live in a culture where every man rapes? No. But are there too many instances where rapes are not prosecuted. To say that the argument of those is the Slutwalk is ridiculous is dishonest. These things do happen. Isn't it more preferable to fight to make sure it happens less, even if you don't think it doesn't happen as often as statistics state? What are you really trying to do with this piece? That's my biggest question. You could film this piece with any controversial issue (race, income inequality, abortion, gun rights) and blow people up and say "See, look, they are fucking stupid and didn't come good stats at their rally to back up their point." It doesn't help solve the problems. Do we have a rape culture? I'm not sure, but would it better if men were more aware of what it is like to be a woman or too feel powerless in a situation? I would guess yes.

[–]TheInfamousButt 81ポイント82ポイント  (17子コメント)

I think I saw somewhere on reddit this quote that essentially said, "anyone acting like an asshole, is just a person in pain themselves" (seriously paraphrasing). These people feel some sort of pain it seems. Their reaction is over the top, but who knows what they might be going through. I don't like this behavior but thinking about their pain, whatever it is, probably has some relevance. Feminist bashing might not work very well.

EDIT: commas

[–]younginventor 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

I firmly believe this viewpoint is a valid one. I'm struggling to find an answer to this third wave of feminism in this context; how can we support the validity of this movement while keeping integrity in the face of doublethink? Truly a problem for every ideology.

[–]willywanker1 834ポイント835ポイント  (115子コメント)

She made the mistake of using rational thinking when conversing with the irrational.

[–]rag3train 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't believe Pao hasn't had this video removed yet

[–]Downfaller 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is why Jerry Seinfeld doesn't do colleges. A bunch of idiots looking to get offended about something.

[–]goatcoat 230ポイント231ポイント  (176子コメント)

More and more I'm realizing that these arguments are about definitions.

She says we're not living in a rape culture because most men and women here are not rapists and because we punish convicted rapists. If a "rape culture" is defined as a culture in which most men and women are rapists and where convicted rapists are not punished, then she's right. We do not live in a rape culture.

On the other hand, googling rape culture turns up a page that says (among other things):

Rape culture is…

…the existence of “Keep Calm and Rape A Lot” t-shirts. They really, seriously exist.

If "rape culture" is defined as a culture in which such shirts exist, and you're willing to stipulate that such shirts probably do exist in some unknown quantity (the link is dead), then we do live in a rape culture.

It's all an argument about definitions.

[–]thatdudeus 91ポイント92ポイント  (25子コメント)

Its also an echo chamber. They vilify t-shirts, phrases, stupid memes like 'fuck her right in the pussy' and other stupid things that nobody will defend. Then they walk away stewing at what a mess of a culture we have.

When somebody talks about phrases like 'I got raped on that test', its very hard to defend because such nobody supports rape. And its even harder to defend because those t-shirts are stupid. As soon as you're in an argument and find yourself on the side of Chive t-shirts, you look like the sexist idiot, even if you have the facts on your side.

However, objectively a phrase like 'raped on that test' simply isn't a problem or indicative of anything. We also say 'murdered on that test' or 'that test was torture'. That doesn't mean our culture supports murder and torture.

[–]CodnmeDuchess 363ポイント364ポイント x2 (94子コメント)

Listen, the term rape culture really means that it is fairly normal for men in our society to feel a certain amount of entitlement to women's bodies. It's not wrong...

The reporter in this video talks about intellectual dishonesty, and she engages in the same behavior that she denigrated. Arguing that women in the west don't have it ad bad as those in developing countries is not a sound argument. Being willfully ignorant of the fact that "reported rapes" mean those reported to police is intellectually dishonest. Many of the people on this video had a hard time articulating their points, the same as you'd find at just about any political rally...that doesn't make the movement's message wrong. As I understand it, SlutWalk is about empowering the participants and sending the message that what a woman wears does not entitle anyone to her body. There's nothing wrong about that message. Reddit doth protest too much--I urge you all to sincerely inquire about how many women you know have been victims of sexual assault. If you're over 25, the number may surprise you. It really is pretty prevalent and frankly, the amount of anger that is expressed towards women in this community is extremely telling, just as the racism is. Reddit is a community of fairly smart people who operate based on logical abstraction rather than the world as it is, because many here simply have very little experience in these matters.

[–]yogurtmeh 105ポイント106ポイント  (10子コメント)

This should be at the top. I'll add this: Rape Culture is also about how prison rape (male on male) is accepted and even joked about. It's not like the worst of the worst male offenders are raped either. It's much more a factor of age-- the younger you are, the more likely you are to be raped or sexually assaulted by another man in prison.

Similarly, saying that prison is better in the U.S. than in India or another country doesn't make prison rape acceptable.

[–]McDuble 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

but then rape culture should also include how when a male is raped by a female, he is ridiculed with remarks like "what are you gay?" or police laughing at men who report it.

[–]penjsface 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wittgenstein posited that nearly all of philosophy is debating definitions (and hence, meaningless).