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[–]bobbybottombracket 1103ポイント1104ポイント  (447子コメント)

Good thing everyone can take video nowadays.

[–]doyou_booboo 929ポイント930ポイント  (379子コメント)

Dude the quality of that video combined with his totally unnecessary ninja roll in the beginning had me thinking it was fake.

[–]IslandHeyst 768ポイント769ポイント  (220子コメント)

For people looking for some instant gratification, here's a GIF of said ninja roll: http://gfycat.com/JealousShinyGrison

[–]BeakerandBunsen 340ポイント341ポイント  (124子コメント)

Why? Did he think he was in some B rate cop action movie?

[–]cockbloctopus 675ポイント676ポイント  (100子コメント)

I think he just ate shit and turned it into a sweet recovery.

[–]xiutehcuhtli 198ポイント199ポイント  (89子コメント)

This is my thought. It's too idiotic to do otherwise.

[–]monsda 328ポイント329ポイント  (82子コメント)

It's too idiotic to do otherwise.

Its the same officer that decided its a good idea to pull his gun out on unarmed teens in a rich suburb.

[–]Scientolojesus 195ポイント196ポイント  (25子コメント)

I mean, to be fair, they were swimming way past open pool hours (and some seemed to be running instead of safely walking) so with the crime being so heinous, a weapon became very necessary to subdue all of the 'gangstas' wearing swim trunks and slinging towels over the shoulders.... this could have been a poolparty riot for the ages....

[–]wh3873 104ポイント105ポイント  (19子コメント)

Pull and point at. That's assault with a deadly weapon.

We were trained in the Army to never point your weapon at something you aren't ready to kill. So by the transitive property he wanted to kill those kids.

[–]NightOfTheLivingHam 144ポイント145ポイント  (10子コメント)

WELL THIS ISNT THE ARMY. THESE ARE THE MEAN STREETS OF MCKINNEY. YOU HAVENT SEEN THE HORRORS I HAVE SEEN, ARMY BOY! /s

[–]unfair_bastard 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

YOU'RE A CIVILIAN YOU DONT DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT GETTING HOME TO YOUR WIFE AND...wait.....

[–]Poor_cReddit 70ポイント71ポイント  (8子コメント)

Wow, video quality that I saw was not nearly as good as the video quality of this gif!

Also, someone needs to purchase that man some black socks... He's the Michael Jackson of PD.

[–]warp_spaz 40ポイント41ポイント  (10子コメント)

What the fuck is it with all these giant gifs these days? I use a lap top - I don't fucking project the image onto my wall to view the internet.

[–]mormotomyia 66ポイント67ポイント  (3子コメント)

The quiet uhh what the hell right after the ninja roll was awesome.

[–]spacetoast_ 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol ! i believe that was the only appropriate response to something on that day.

[–]The_Dukkhanator 90ポイント91ポイント  (13子コメント)

Hahaha, the roll got me too.

[–]Marblem 156ポイント157ポイント  (12子コメント)

It fits perfectly with the sort of personality that would pull a gun on bikini clad girls and try to wrestle them for no reason. Dude was playing Die Hard at work and is the poster child of wannabe militarized police.

Good thing he doesn't watch House as much as he watches action movies or everybody there would be paying for MRIs and lupus tests for the next decade.

[–]kalitarios 298ポイント299ポイント  (40子コメント)

Woah woah woah... since when is a ninja roll ever unnecessary?

[–]MGLLN 80ポイント81ポイント  (23子コメント)

After you graduate from Konoha's ninja academy.

[–]Suttonian 44ポイント45ポイント  (20子コメント)

If he was responsible he would have used his byakugan to asses the situation, and sharingan to avoid potential attacks.

[–]TechMarauder 49ポイント50ポイント  (12子コメント)

Wow so to be a police officer you need to be from both the Uchiha and the Hyuga families?

[–]mikeisagift 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Seriously. All the teachers make you feel like you're going to have to ninja roll all over the place, but doesn't have much real world application.

[–]SOS_Music 66ポイント67ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought he tripped, and then thought, oohhhh shit, pretend you meant it.

[–]Amazinglagann 88ポイント89ポイント  (23子コメント)

When I saw that, I thought he was trying to be tacticool, like he thought he was a fucking operator or some shit.

[–]welcometotheregime 53ポイント54ポイント  (18子コメント)

me too first time, now i think he fell which upset him even more. If he did fall it was a hell of a recovery

[–]bretstar 41ポイント42ポイント  (12子コメント)

I flew over the handlebars on a bike once, and went into the same roll. Nobody filmed my sweet ninja moves, screw you guys.

[–]Timmisiewicz 81ポイント82ポイント  (16子コメント)

He tripped. There was no "tactical ninja roll." I think most people thought it was some kind of ninja roll when they first saw it but upon second and third viewing, it's pretty obvious that he fell.

[–]kit_carlisle 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're called dive-rollouts and they're a real thing... this is also definitely one of them. However you're right, he tripped. He simply rolled when he tripped to keep his momentum going.

[–]rubsomebacononitnow 54ポイント55ポイント  (0子コメント)

When you go full Blart you go full Blart. Not doing the roll would have harmed the authenticity of the video.

[–]pihb 36ポイント37ポイント  (0子コメント)

it looked like he tripped? I dug his white socks with black pants and shoes though.

[–]celluloidandroid 282ポイント283ポイント  (30子コメント)

The blonde cope at the beginning (in that moment) responded how a cop is supposed to. Calm and collected, talking to the kids and trying to listen to their concerns.

[–]platocplx 79ポイント80ポイント  (7子コメント)

Thats exactly what I thought. Assess the situation which was tense yet calm. Then comes deputy dickhead ninja rolling and cussing up a storm.

[–]JMTHawk 342ポイント343ポイント  (66子コメント)

At the bottom of the article is a link to a twitter account of Maj. Max Geron. https://twitter.com/MaxDPD He has some really interesting stats on his 6/4 tweets. In a survey of 600 agencies a basic recruit gets 107 hours of firearm and defensive tactics training, and only 18 hours of communication and de-escalation training.

[–]TacoSauce 281ポイント282ポイント  (19子コメント)

Just a little tidbit on "hours of training": My coworkers and I has 20hours monthly of "resiliency training" and 10 hours monthly on sexual harassment and domestic violence. Thats what gets reported. The reality is closer to "hey before you go home today, sign this attendance sheet"

[–]TolstoysMyHomeboy 123ポイント124ポイント  (30子コメント)

Yeah, that sounds about right. I mean, there's no real reason to communicate with the people you've just shot.

[–]luxdesigns 164ポイント165ポイント  (56子コメント)

Here's video of what started the whole thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ym0KcWv8RI

(if someone knows a better place to post this, please do so)

[–]AnhydrousEtOH 2306ポイント2307ポイント  (962子コメント)

Sure your expectation is they'll act professionally. But when the entire system is designed to make it so the officers are rarely found criminally responsible and never financially responsible for their crimes, don't act surprised when they act like power tripping bullies.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[–]LittleFalls 255ポイント256ポイント  (22子コメント)

I think, a big part of the problem is, up until recently, police were able to easily convince policy makers that they were noble peacekeepers needing every tactic available against the unruly rabble. Now that everyone, everywhere has a video camera, they no longer have complete control of the narrative. I think we will see policy change over the next couple of years as long as people keep the pressure going. Unfortunately, it is a slow process.

[–]kit8642 958ポイント959ポイント  (870子コメント)

But when the entire system is designed to make it so the officers are rarely found criminally responsible and never financially responsible for their crimes

I like the people who say, "It's a few bad apples"... Well there seems to be a shit ton of bad apples, maybe it's time to check the tree (system) that's producing them.

[–]gotovoatdotco 204ポイント205ポイント  (19子コメント)

the point about bad apples is that if they are not removed, they fuck up all the other apples...

[–]absentminded_adjunct 668ポイント669ポイント  (646子コメント)

Dr. Zimbardo has a different way of looking at this. A bad barrel rots all apples, good and bad, eventually. Also known as "The Lucifer Effect." I think the pervasive "us vs them" and "I could be killed at any time on the job" mentality of American Police has corrupted the barrel. Equipped with military hardware only serves to reinforce that mentality. We need major changes with law enforcement, not just sound bites.

[–]Mnementh2230 228ポイント229ポイント  (47子コメント)

When police use lines like "I go in to battle every day..." they're not talking about policing, they're talking about war.

And yes, some of them say exactly that.

[–]IronChariots 128ポイント129ポイント  (31子コメント)

Think about the analogies they use to refer to themselves.

The thin blue line. Sheepdogs protecting the herd.

Both imply that they're apart from society and protecting it from an outside threat, rather than a part of society tasked with keeping it safe from members of that society (who aren't necessarily enemies bent on destruction, but are often people who've made a bad choice in a bad situation). Sheepdogs don't need to protect sheep from each other, they protect them from wolves.

[–]gelinrefira 438ポイント439ポイント  (268子コメント)

Hop over to /r/protectandserve, the general climate there is everyone is out to get them and the public don't understand what they are going through.

[–]shapu 199ポイント200ポイント  (12子コメント)

No. They're right. I don't understand.

The problem is that there are enough cases of police acting like assholes, or not stopping the ones who are, or filing false reports, or backing up the other guys in blue who have filed those reports, that I no longer want to understand.

When there are more Frank Serpicos and fewer Michael Slagers, that's when I'll start paying attention. And fewer Daniel Pantaleos. And fewer Caesar Goodsons. And fewer Timothy Loehmanns. And fewer Michael Brelos.

These men are not mentally stable. They are not fit to be police officers. They are children with guns. They are dangers to the communities they purport to protect, and through their actions they create conditions that are dangers to all of the police officers around them.

And yet they have not been pushed out of the force. Instead they have been supported and enabled by the system and their fellow officers, to varying degrees. They have not been forced to face the results of their actions before, so they have no expectation of having to face the results now. And in many cases they never will.

Now, I'm willing to respect the job that they do. I'm perfectly willing to understand and respect the need for police, generally - to serve as both a prophylactic against crimes and to investigate them after they happen. I am not intrinsically anti-cop.

But until the police, as a community, are willing to act in opposition to the entrenched systems that created so much of this, I don't want to understand "what they're going through," because much of it is self-made, by command staff and union bellicosity.

[–]a_midgets_last_stand 42ポイント43ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm in the military, and I don't understand it either. We've never had someone executed on base by a military cop since I've been here(5+ years) and it's one of the biggest bases in the military. I've never heard of a civilian being executed in a warzone from anyone I know personally either(though sadly, it obviously has happened).

I feel like part of the reason cops are more likely to pull a gun on unarmed people in your local neighborhood is because of accountability. We will get financially and legally screwed if we're reported for some shit like that. In these instances it always seems like the PD is behind the cop instead.

[–]absentminded_adjunct 334ポイント335ポイント  (49子コメント)

That's equally unsurprising and frightening.

[–]iLawsuit 185ポイント186ポイント  (28子コメント)

one of the highest voted memes on their subreddit right now is a meme that assumes anybody they have arrested is automatically "a shitbag"

http://imgur.com/3T7qG9m

[–]bedintruder 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shitbag until proven innocent.

[–]muddynips 28ポイント29ポイント  (8子コメント)

Always amazes me how many people on that sub resort immediately to ad hominem attacks. I would think that if I had the law on my side, I wouldn't feel the need to disparage somebody as or after I arrest them.

"A man is most accurately judged by how he treats those who are not in a position either to retaliate or to reciprocate." Instead of slow-jerking each other to how shitty their perps are, they should strive for compassion. But for the most part, they don't.

[–]sacrabos 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

what ever happened to innocent until proven guitly in a court of law?

[–]inkhogneatoh 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

The reason that needs to be explicitly stated as a thing that should be followed is because the opposite happens in reality.

[–]CaptainBayouBilly 59ポイント60ポイント  (8子コメント)

The agents of legitimized violence are afraid of the general public. They are tasked with committing legitimized violence against people and are so fearful for their lives they shoot first and ask questions later.

[–]AngloQuebecois 81ポイント82ポイント  (10子コメント)

What I especially like about that subreddit is that you can't down-vote in it. Even on the internet, these guys are comfortable allowing authority to never be able to tell them they did any wrong, it's either right, or more right, but not wrong.

I'm now worried that there is no way to fix this. There will just never be enough political will to curtail the massive movement to treat police like they can do no wrong.

[–]TerranBarron 152ポイント153ポイント  (95子コメント)

I think they are right in that the "public doesn't understand." Most people do not have any experience dealing with mentally unstable and violent people on a day to day basis.

On the other hand, I'd also agree that the police are in desperate need of a review of their operating policies. They seem incredibly outdated and destructive.

[–]thunder_c0ck 90ポイント91ポイント  (12子コメント)

That sub is poison. It's like stormfront with badges.

[–]censorinus 134ポイント135ポイント  (65子コメント)

And yet we have the lowest crime since 1978. There needs to be some sanity restored to US policing.

There needs to be a focus on winning back community trust instead of the 'Us vs. them' mentality that pervades US policing today.

The police are there to 'protect and to serve', not 'Threaten and Intimidate.'

[–]Gorstag 72ポイント73ポイント  (0子コメント)

And yet we have the lowest crime since 1978.

Hopefully people understand this point. Police typically do not stop crime. Police make arrests of people who committed crime(s).

[–]LetsGoAllTheWhey 165ポイント166ポイント  (39子コメント)

If you ask them, the crime rate is so low because they're so aggressive.

  • If the perp is running away from the police empty handed? Shoot him in the back.

  • A couple in a car? Jump on the hood and empty two magazines into them.

  • Two ladies delivering papers in an SUV? Blast it full of holes. It was the same color as the one they were looking for, anyway. So what if they targeted the wrong SUV.

  • Eighty year old man sleeping in his bed? So what if they have the wrong address? Pump him full of lead and then claim he was coming toward them carrying a pistol. What about all the bullet holes and blood in the mattress? Can't answer that.

  • Young boy answers his door with a remote in his hand? Shoot him in the chest. Hell the remote looked like a weapon, and I'm not taking any chances.

  • Suicidal teen girl goes to the police station for help? Shoot and kill! Hell, it's what she wanted anyway.

The list goes on and on and on. And yes, you can google everyone of these.

[–]thescarwar 74ポイント75ポイント  (3子コメント)

Just looked up a couple of these. The woman who shot the 17 year old with a wiimote? She had been fired from her previous job for shooting an unarmed person grabbing a backpack out of his car. I guess second chances are okay after shootings, but only for LEOs of course.

[–]TheGreatRanchero 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

The crazy thing is she wasn't officially fired because of that shooting.

Gatny, who had been with the Euharlee Police Department less than a year, was fired from her previous police job, in Acworth, Georgia. While there, among other things, she apparently shot a suspect while he was trying to remove his backpack, believing he was going for a gun. She was fired for exhausting her medical leave.

Fuck

[–]theycallhimthestug 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

The girl that got shot in the police station one is ridiculous.

I watched that video awhile ago, and if 3 grown ass men can't handle a 17 year old girl those men need to open up a bakery or something less physically demanding.

They even had her sitting down at one point, and nobody searched her bag? Checked her for weapons? Just...pop pop pop.

[–]Theory5 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

And yet we have the lowest crime since 1978.

But the publics perception is that things are WORSE today. They don't understand how the news portrays this stuff.

[–]AutismHour 48ポイント49ポイント  (24子コメント)

They could be killed at any time. I could be killed at any time. they signed up to be police officers ... I didn't sign up to be a police officer. Little column A, little column B.

[–]absentminded_adjunct 62ポイント63ポイント  (22子コメント)

Precisely. You chose to be a LEO. I could be killed at any time every time I swing my leg over my bike. I choose to ride.

But if I throttle the shit out of someone for almost running me over, it is assault and I go to jail. They get a 2 week vacation with pay.

[–]candypuppet 261ポイント262ポイント  (42子コメント)

When you watch the video, it's evident that only one cop is going absolutely crazy, while the others just talk to people and even stop him when he draws his gun. What's really concerning though is that the normal cops are so hesitant to interfere. One cop even walks away as soon as the "bad apple" starts throwing people to the ground. To me it seems that these normal cops would've handled the situation better if they were alone. But once the bad cop goes nuts, they clearly find it more important to back up their buddy than to protect the citizens. There might not be many bad apples in the police force but the even bigger problem is that they're protected by the rest.

[–]ArtTurnerMusic 131ポイント132ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unfortunately, he was the "patrol supervisor" so he was probably their boss.

[–]imakenosensetopeople 98ポイント99ポイント  (8子コメント)

We may all fear the deeds of evil men. But there is another type of evil which we must fear most, and that, is the indifference of good men.

[–]DefrancoAce222 49ポイント50ポイント  (4子コメント)

Bingo! You can see the calm cop talking with the kids when suddenly the aggressive one starts screaming and throwing f-bombs left and right. They don't try to mediate the situation at all when they could've calmed things down. They had the power to deescalate the situation but didn't, and that's a real problem. That fellow officers are unable or unwilling to interfere when their partners or other cops are acting a fool.

[–]showroom 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not to talk down on the normal guys,they acted better,but in all honest if you want normal they should have restrained their clearly crazy buddy and give him a 5min chill break.

[–]jetpacksforall 106ポイント107ポイント  (14子コメント)

Everyone forgets the second half of the proverb: "A few bad apples spoil the bunch."

In other words, if you don't (punish, reprimand, deal with) the bad cops, soon they'll all be bad cops.

[–]Slypenslyde 40ポイント41ポイント  (7子コメント)

A recent article I read put forth this opinion. (Of course the numbers aren't scientific facts based on data, but form a nice illustration.)

"10% of cops are going to do the bad thing every time. 10% of cops are going to do the right thing every time. The other 80% aren't particularly bad or good, but will do different things based on who they're with."

In other words, most cops aren't abusers and most cops aren't Batman. Most cops are people that, if surrounded by abusers, will get the notion that abuse is right and carry on. Or, if surrounded by cops that reach for violence more slowly, they'll decide that abuse is wrong and act accordingly.

This is why it's important to punish the truly rotten apples: they create completely tainted departments.

[–]DaddyBoomalati 1264ポイント1265ポイント  (526子コメント)

He pulled a gun. On children. In bathing suits. At a pool party.

What. The. F***.

EDIT after reading all the responses, I've watched the video again. If you watch the scene of the cop pulling the gun with no context, he was responding to the two boys running around to his right. I see that.

However, watch the minute before, and you see he had already come unglued and was escalating the situation. He helped dictate the danger he found himself in.

[–]vanishplusxzone 854ポイント855ポイント  (212子コメント)

But they were teenagers. Black ones. Clearly not children. Likely some of them were the size of full grown adults! It doesn't matter that they were unarmed and barely doing anything wrong, that's scary for a cop to deal with! You just can't expect a police officer to deal with that sort of danger.

[–]DaddyBoomalati 609ポイント610ポイント  (37子コメント)

True. They were clearly black.

[–]Kombat_Wombat 370ポイント371ポイント  (7子コメント)

"Sir, do you know how black you were going?"

[–]pickletricks 117ポイント118ポイント  (2子コメント)

"I'm gonna let you off with a warning, don't be this black again."

[–]MGLLN 309ポイント310ポイント  (14子コメント)

But they were teenagers. Black ones. Clearly not children.

I know this was a joke, but according to the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology this is actually a thing.

Here's an article on it: Study: Police see black children as less innocent and less young than white children (just in case you don't want to read the entire study)

[–]Amazinglagann 167ポイント168ポイント  (17子コメント)

You just can't expect a police officer to deal with that sort of danger.

I have tried to reason with people on this site who think exactly this. It was pointless. It's like these people expect that Firemen shouldn't go into a building if it's dangerous, or that military agents shouldn't be put in dangerous situations. This is their job. They are in a position of power. If they aren't willing to risk their lives, put the safety of others above their own they shouldn't have taken the job.

[–]vanishplusxzone 98ポイント99ポイント  (11子コメント)

The military is held to a higher standard of engagement with the enemy in times of war than police are held to when dealing with American citizens, or so I've been led to believe by posts from military and veterans here on reddit and elsewhere.

Kind of terrifying, no?

[–]Byzantine279 57ポイント58ポイント  (1子コメント)

From military personal I know that statement is very true. Half the shit police here do would get them reprimanded. The other half would get them court marshaled.

[–]Falcrist 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

The military actually has rules of engagement and a Uniform Code of Military Justice. So there are actual rules for members of the armed forces, and those rules are enforced by their superiors.

If military personnel operating in foreign nations are held to this standard, Police operating in the U.S. should be held to AT LEAST that level of accountability.

[–]incognegro1976 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Air Force guy here. This is the truth. I can't even begin to list all the things that American cops do with civilians that would have us court martialed immediately.

Google the UCMJ and the ROE guidelines and compare them to police actions.

[–]papker 205ポイント206ポイント  (16子コメント)

Right. A 14 year old Duggar is just a kid. A 14 year old black kid at a pool party is a thug. See the difference?

[–]CaptainBayouBilly 93ポイント94ポイント  (9子コメント)

Imagine if that girl had been arrested and charged? Her life would effectively be over without enough money to hire the right representation. All because of an overreaction to a rowdy pool party. But a boy admitting to sexually assaulting multiple children? Well he's Christian and said he's sorry so leave them alone.

[–]bobsp 210ポイント211ポイント  (57子コメント)

Yeah, he ignored all the white kids and decided every person with dark skin was a threat. He should be fired and charged with battery.

[–]goddammnick 43ポイント44ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was actually thinking - How is this camera person allowed to film this entire thing without being tackled or told to stop.

Turns out the kid was white. Strange situation indeed.

[–]OneOfDozens 37ポイント38ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup the kid was quoted as saying he felt invisible throughout the whole thing

[–]Invisibl3hand 203ポイント204ポイント  (19子コメント)

Actually, pulling a gun on someone without reasonable cause would be aggravated assault.

[–]Webonics 24ポイント25ポイント  (7子コメント)

I like how he pulled it and then began lunging toward them to intimidate them.

A: The point of a gun is so that you can wound someone from a distance.

B. You're chasing excited kids at a pool....with a fucking loaded weapon

C. You're unable to control a rowdy group of fucking children. A display of rampant ineptitude, as if this weren't enough, your response to this is an outburst of anger, aggression, and physical violence which blows everyone up. Your response to this?

.....Pull a fucking fire arm.

This dude needs to be let go. For real. I mean, this is just such rampant ignorant incompetence. They're fucking children. You're a fucking authority figure. If you can't figure out how to approach that scenario, exploiting your existing advantages to calm everyone down and resolve the commotion, you're incompetent.

We shouldn't have to wait for this man to kill someone.

Not that anything would happen to him at that point either so long as he said he was totally justified.

Look at it this way. By firing this man, you may be saving a life in the future.

[–]javi404 65ポイント66ポイント  (10子コメント)

scary for a cop to deal with!

If they are afraid then maybe they should get a safer job like cleaning toilets.

[–]vanishplusxzone 47ポイント48ポイント  (2子コメント)

Noooo, if these brave men and women don't go out and risk their lives to menace, beat and shoot unarmed black teenagers, who will? Are you volunteering? You can't criticize them unless you go down to the local precinct and apply to be a cop!

[–]MiltownKBs 24ポイント25ポイント  (10子コメント)

Amazing that cops can't diffuse simple situations that our teachers must deal with on a daily basis. How did our society get so screwed up that teachers have more ability to diffuse situations than our armed police force? They will get theirs soon if this shit keeps up.

[–]NukEvil 218ポイント219ポイント  (141子コメント)

[–]Goins2754 346ポイント347ポイント  (27子コメント)

Wrongdoers now receive the benefit of the doubt...

This is a complaint from one of the forum posters there. Isn't that supposed to be the entire basis of our judicial system: innocent until proven guilty?

[–]Digging_For_Ostrich 134ポイント135ポイント  (7子コメント)

Clearly you'll never be a U.S. Policeman with that kind of attitude.

[–]MGLLN 65ポイント66ポイント  (6子コメント)

GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY

hits suspect on the head with a baton

[–]MindintoMatter 140ポイント141ポイント  (12子コメント)

Woah those comments are the polar opposite of reddits.

[–]nastdrummer 90ポイント91ポイント  (1子コメント)

The comment about

Wrongdoers now receive the benefit of the doubt .

Yeah...we have a term for it, innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of peers. I know its a novel concept...

[–]mrockey19 124ポイント125ポイント  (18子コメント)

This is my favorite one

I've been sitting here scouring all kinds of news reports from all kinds of sources ... that's the only way to get a gauge on what really happened; you can't just accept things at face value because everybody's got an agenda ... especially the ones from outlets on the scene, not bottom-feeding link recyclers like Huffington Post.

Does this person know there is a video? That they can watch the actual event unfold?

[–]KlausJanVanWolfhaus 31ポイント32ポイント  (2子コメント)

Who needs a video when you could just grab racist retorts and use them to your advantage

[–]TrollAccount420 75ポイント76ポイント  (7子コメント)

There's some grade A racism in that forum.

[–]LastAXEL 50ポイント51ポイント  (4子コメント)

One guy literally referred to the black kids in the situation as "creatures". These are our policemen people. Fuck them.

[–]t0t0zenerd 167ポイント168ポイント  (10子コメント)

The amount of "thinly veiled" racism on there is disgusting.

[–]ii386 121ポイント122ポイント  (2子コメント)

"Look at WHO the suspects are. That tells you WHY this is all BS..."

Do tell what you mean.

[–]thaencyder 44ポイント45ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's terrifying to know that someone with such a worldview is now given a gun and a badge to roam the streets with absolute power.

[–]thewalkingfred 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

"No. What's "brutal" is the attitude among certain groups that's it's ok to trespass and destroy property... It appears to be common amongst the ilk...

**** them. Get a job. Show some respect for OPP."

Direct quote of a response to someone saying the police response was brutal. Lets see, theres barely-even-veiled racist, complete dismissal of the possibility they could be innocent, and a demand for undeserved respect.

This guy is like the personification of the type of police we want gone.

[–]PIP_SHORT 98ポイント99ポイント  (5子コメント)

I used to look at police discussion forums, I guess out of curiosity more than anything.

Holy fuck... if you think Reddit is an echo chamber, police forums are that times a million. Paranoid, self-important, racist, and scary. I love you America but you keep feeding venemous snakes.

[–]tequila13 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Paranoid, self-important, racist, and scary.

And they carry guns. What can go wrong?

[–]LittleSandor 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

America is a paradox to me. How can a country be so amazing at so many things and yet so backwards in other things?

[–]Took-the-Blue-Pill 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Funny how much they support him, when even the other officers in the video immediately tried to restrain him when he pulled. They knew he was out of control.

[–]charbo187 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

"What you see, Mr. General Labor, is different than what a trained law enforcement officer sees."

christ.

[–]isayheyhey 38ポイント39ポイント  (4子コメント)

Aha that entire page of comments was hysterical. The disconnect from reality is astonishingly remarkable.

[–]jakj2 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not as hysterical when you think about one of those people commenting having a gun pointed at your head some day.

[–]claire0[S] 948ポイント949ポイント  (802子コメント)

It's very disturbing to see this officer draw his gun on kids who just appear to be voicing their concern and alarm regarding his treatment of the girl he was subduing. I'm interested in hearing the 911 call.

[–]nonsequitur_potato 796ポイント797ポイント  (427子コメント)

The officer says in the video that they ran off when he pulled up. I think he felt like he needed to do something about that. But fuck, this doesn't help. You look at what happened and it's not hard to guess why they ran in the first place. As a white kid growing up in the suburbs, I was taught that the police are there to help you. I don't think black kids have the same sentiment passed down to them. If I was at a pool party and the cops showed up, I would be confident that I would be treated fairly because I didn't do anything wrong. So I would calmly talk to the officers. These kids didn't do anything thing wrong, and got handcuffed, yelled at, and beaten. No shit they're gonna run when the cops show up, they get their assess beat whether they did anything or not. I think this is the core of the issue. For a police force to be effective, the people have to trust them. If the people don't trust them and work with them, it makes it hard to do their job. Getting frustrated, some officers might resort to force. I'm not in any way defending his actions, I think it was pretty clear that girl didn't have a gun tucked into her bikini. She was obviously not a threat, but he used some pretty substantial force. At the same time though, a witch hunt gets us nowhere. Understanding why this happened in the first place can help us in the search for a solution so that this doesn't happen again.

[–]JunxInButter 270ポイント271ポイント  (33子コメント)

I don't know where you grew up... but it was common at my mostly all-white highschool in the suburbs for everyone to run whenever cops showed up. Even so much as mentioning police while at a party would cause people to perk up and begin to scatter.

[–]timeisthefire 209ポイント210ポイント  (17子コメント)

I was a minority kid in a mostly white school growing up, and I remember that cops felt helpful until about age 12, after which they felt dangerous, untrustworthy, like an enemy.

I can't remember the number of times I was pulled over as a 16-22 year old for no reason other than a search. I wish cops were all there to help, but a large number of them just aren't. they are there to intimidate, to control, and to live out their fantasies of being strong and brave alpha males by hiding their fear behind aggression.

[–]Science_Smartass 77ポイント78ポイント  (12子コメント)

I went to college in Grand Forks, ND (UND) and knew exactly one black guy. He would get pulled over about once a week for "suspicious activity". One time twice on the same street! None of my other friends (white) had this issue. He was never arrested because he was just a normal dude doing normal things but god damn. All I have to say is I'm glad I'm white not because white is better but because I don't have to put up with a built in layer of bullshit. Sorry dude! /Jeff Bridges

[–]jack_straw79 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

same for me, my buddies and i would know which parties we'd better wear our running shoes for

[–]Mobetta6969 237ポイント238ポイント  (71子コメント)

White, Male, Combat Veteran...totally afraid of cops. Its not a white thing. Its a professionalism thing.

[–]sheepdogzero 106ポイント107ポイント  (63子コメント)

Same. I find it so bizarre that the young men 18+, and women for that matter, can all handle themselves more professionally in COMBAT and be trusted with far more firepower and responsibility than the Law Enforcement in our communities. What in the actual fuck is going on?

[–]Mobetta6969 151ポイント152ポイント  (34子コメント)

Its kind of terrifying to see cops on the streets of America getting away with treating AMERICANS a certain way when that said action would have landed me in Leavenworth.

I literally wasnt allowed to shoot Taliban that I saw with weapons as they were massing on my position because they hadnt fired first...Not to say this is what the American policing standard should be but come on now.

[–]kalex716 48ポイント49ポイント  (6子コメント)

It fucking should be. I only want people being cops if they are willing to die than do the WRONG thing. Every time.

Thats who we should be asking to do this duty for us. Not the types that are of the opinion their own life is more important than even the lowest of low criminals.

Is this idealistic? Perhaps, but it needs to be an honor to do what they do. Right now, nobody respects the badge anymore. Its a shame.

[–]Im_Dorothy_Harris 37ポイント38ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's a good thing only the military has access to military grade weapons and tanks then! Oh, wait...

[–]TofuDeliveryBoy 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

Servicemembers are held to a higher standard of ethics, international law and enforced by a strict military justice department. Police aren't.

[–]PicklesOfDethklok 85ポイント86ポイント  (5子コメント)

being a white male from the suburbs myself, I've been harassed my whole life by bored police, and bored police working other jobs such as movie theatres and especially bowling alleys.

Being young is more difficult than you may remember - at your job adults will talk shit at you and try to steam roll over you, berate your intelligence, other kids will start shit with you, cops look at you like an easy target... almost every time a cop car drove by me while I was walking I'd see them do a u-turn and come back to get up in my business.

It's pretty hard to trust them, and those are just experiences from when I was a kid.

[–]TURBO2529 424ポイント425ポイント  (173子コメント)

Being a white male, it doesn't matter. I'm afraid as well. It looks like they have no regard for gun safety. They treat the guns as a threatening tool and us like a heard of sheep.

[–]moonman 75ポイント76ポイント  (11子コメント)

My 60 year old white father is afraid of the police, this is a man who makes Wonder Bread look exotic and has never so much as gotten a seatbelt ticket in his life. He said that when he sees a cop in the rearview mirror he knows they can seriously screw up his life in a major way if they are in the mood.

[–]critically_damped 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

threatening tool

The official word is "compliance device".

[–]dios_Achilleus 239ポイント240ポイント  (49子コメント)

The question in my mind is not whether or not my skin and gender protects me, it's "when will I lose my perceived protections?" If they'll abuse their power against anyone, they'll eventually abuse it against me (us) too. The question is just how far down the list we are.

[–]OneOfDozens 86ポイント87ポイント  (25子コメント)

Have you seen the story of John Geer?

Any of us can be executed in the doorways of our own homes any day

[–]nixonrichard 89ポイント90ポイント  (24子コメント)

Or . . . Ruby Ridge, where after authorities had days to calm themselves down, they shot a woman in the head while she was holding her infant child.

It really bothers me that in this whole conversation of overzealous policing, the FBI/US Marshals/BATFE/ICE have completely gotten a pass, when they historically LED THE WAY on militarization of police. They brought fucking M1A1 Abrams tanks to Waco.

When Obama was scolding police departments and saying how they really need to be wearing body cameras, nobody even mentioned "is the FBI and US Marshals gonna be required to wear body cameras?" No. The answer is no.

[–]Gauntlet_of_Might 29ポイント30ポイント  (6子コメント)

The average citizen also has a much, much, much greater chance of interacting with a police officer than one of those organizations so it's a more pressing issue to most.

[–]NerdBurgerRing 183ポイント184ポイント  (16子コメント)

First they came for the blacks, and I said nothing, for I was not black.

[–]willdozer781 213ポイント214ポイント  (14子コメント)

Then they came for the mimes, but i said nothing because i am a mime.

[–]TYC4 110ポイント111ポイント  (29子コメント)

This exactly. A gun is a weapon used to kill, it is not something you use to threaten someone with. Never point a gun at something you don't intend to shoot or kill, and most cops seem to never have learned this very basic gun safety lesson.

[–]AgentZeroM 38ポイント39ポイント  (14子コメント)

Never point a gun at something you don't intend to shoot or kill, and most cops seem to never have learned this very basic gun safety lesson.

What if I told you, that's exactly what they intended?

[–]taws34 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

What if I told you, that's exactly what they intended?

When they point and shoot, the DA will charge them with manslaughter instead of murder. The judge will then dismiss the charges...

[–]3652 116ポイント117ポイント  (64子コメント)

Amen. If I drew on someone for that I would have my carry permit taken, my guns taken, and could face a felony.

Cops should have the same drawing rules as citizens.

What ever happened to controlling the populace with a badass stache?

[–]1_wing_angel 56ポイント57ポイント  (21子コメント)

Cops shouldn't draw unless they need to fire, same as any other citizen. And drawing a pistol should be monitored just as heavily as shooting someone.

[–]weasel925 88ポイント89ポイント  (10子コメント)

Understanding why this happened in the first place

It happened because many cops believe they must "win" every encounter, regardless of the degree of the crime they are enforcing/investigating.

In my town, a shoplifting report recently escalated to full-blown car chase with more then ten police vehicles and culminating in the cop ramming the getaway car into light pole at busy intersection and the arrest being made with at least a dozen police weapons drawn. My wife and kid were in a car stopped at that intersection and saw the whole thing happening. They were effectively in the line of fire if gunfire had broken out.

As the citizen who is paying for police services, I would have preferred they simply let the shoplifter get away.

Policies need to change so that cops do not automatically match escalation with more escalation. In many situations, it's better to let the "perp" get away and try to catch them another day, in a manner that is safer.

[–]karben2 46ポイント47ポイント  (1子コメント)

This. So much this. They get in too deep and can't back out so its all or nothing. Like a toddler throwing a fit over a toy he can't have. You can't just stop mid tantrum and calm down. Forget about the toy and move on. You must push forward through the unnecessary tantrum. This cop couldn't have stopped halfway through his bikini beat down. He would have looked small and cowardly. (To himself.) so he must push on. Eventually sitting on the poor girl. To display that he'd won! Crime averted! Fucking impossible mission force accomplishes their duties! Fuck this guy. And his ninja roll. Fucking blowhard try hard. Get over yourself and your petty desires. These are human beings. Not cattle and sheep. My biggest problem with cops is they don't even attempt to talk the problem out and find out what's going on. Their trained to be in complete control of the situation. And in a gunfight or life or death situation that training is necessary. But in a suburban area around a bunch of teens and adults in bathing suits the dude was 100% out of line.

[–]Twizted_DMF 54ポイント55ポイント  (56子コメント)

The officer says in the video that they ran off when he pulled up. I think he felt like he needed to do something about that.

Why would he need to do anything about that though? They aren't criminals after all.

[–]RangerNS 53ポイント54ポイント  (17子コメント)

The call was about kids trespassing at the pool, possibly causing a disturbance (WTF that ever means).

So, what are the police to do? solve that problem? Or crack some heads? What do cops want to do? What did this cop want to do?

Roll up, lights and siren flashing, get out, and they run away. Well, problem solved. Unless ever dispatch isn't an opportunity to solve problems, but an opportunity to crack heads.

[–]Folderpirate 47ポイント48ポイント  (0子コメント)

The officer says in the video that they ran off when he pulled up.

Mission accomplished?

[–]vanzee 44ポイント45ポイント  (15子コメント)

I grew up white in the suburbs in the 90s. The police beat the shit out of me and my skater friends (black and white) all the time. We just didn't have cell phones to prove it.

[–]TheEviltane 60ポイント61ポイント  (13子コメント)

Every time these videos come down to "Situation control" which is what american cops get trained for. Get control of the situation as quickly as possible.

VS the european approach of De-escalation. In which the top goal is to calm a situation down and get EVERYONE out of danger. '

I remember arguing vehemently about this in /r/publicfreakout where there was this video. Some stragne backward musician family had pushed a walmart (or mall) security guard.

The cops came and wanted to take 1 (or 2) to jail. The video is a dash-cam one from the "backup" that arrives. It shows the first police officer standing in the family group pointing and screaming.

The other officers run in and the first cop yells to separate. Now as soon as the cops grab the first guy a brawl breaks out between everyone. People get shot. People die.

Like I said I argued that the cops should not have been so rough and no-one would have died. I was told I'm wrong. People always need to submit 100% to everything cops do instantly oh and that Europeans have bad time management skills.........

[–]EWbroWTF 315ポイント316ポイント  (83子コメント)

That's how police respond to criticism, or really any input from lowly civilians.

If you watch the video, the way people respond to this cop is the way people respond to a wild animal attack. In general, I've noticed, the way people deal with police is like dealing with a rabid dog or bear. Everyone is just trying to get away from the danger (the cop), some use the strategy of just standing still and some try to get away. Sadly, as we all know, it is much safer to stand still when you see a dangerous animal than to run away.

I think the city need to start sending out warnings on how to deal with the roving menace of violent officers. Clearly police are a bigger threat to Americans than terrorism or "criminals".

[–]EnnexBe 98ポイント99ポイント  (17子コメント)

Most disturbing (and in my opinion, the most telling) part of the whole thing was when a kid (possibly the one filming the video) accused the cop of pulling his gun, and he immediately responded "no I didn't."

I think shit like that happens far too often.

Deny, refute, and cover-up. It's pathetic.

[–]seentoomuchlately 75ポイント76ポイント  (16子コメント)

There was one point in the video where the office in question was pacing around like a rabid dog just waiting on someone to give him a reason to snap. I'm really worried with the direction that the police force in the US is headed. As unfortunate as it is for them to single out minorities the way they do, it's only a matter of time before they stop seeing color and treat everyone the same way.

[–]ReligionsYourEnemy 147ポイント148ポイント  (13子コメント)

I'm Spanish and Italian i.e. brown. And let me tell you something, cops used to not really seem too bad to me until I was forced to get out of my car at gun point for calling an officer "Dude". I think my sentence was "Dude, I don't have any weapons in my car you are free to check it." He lost his proverbial shit 'WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE CALLING ME DUDE! GET OUT OF THE VEHICLE NOW!' I was calm, got out, and had to lay on the ground. His asshole partner tore up the inside of my moms 92 volvo sedan trying to locate a weapon (I was pulled over because I was teaching a Turkish temp at my job how to drive in the US, and he accidentally drove over the double yellow line, yep) I was only the passenger, and tried to explain the situation but they didn't want to hear it. They insisted that we had weapons in the car and were verbally abusive. Saying that a Turkish person needs a special license and they could tow my moms car and throw us in jail if they wanted to. That's when I said "Dude." It was so appallingly excessive, I couldn't believe it was happening. They were even more angry when there was nothing in the car. Later on the same officer pulled someone over from my job and somehow managed to bring me up in a conversation with her. She says he referred to me as a punk and an asshole, it was totally inappropriate. By the way, this is in Northwest Ct. Salisbury to be exact.... EDITED For Spelling/sentence clarity*

[–]pavlovs_log 356ポイント357ポイント  (26子コメント)

Hell yea the mayor finds this disturbing. The mayor and the city council will have to figure out a way to pay for the upcoming award or settlement that's just around the corner. The citizens of McKinney will pay for this one officer's behavior either through higher taxes, or not getting services their taxes pay for if McKinney has to avoid hiring necessary police for a few years to cover the loss.

Meanwhile the cop will, at worst, be fired and move over to a different city. He will not pay a penny out of his pocket or spend a moment behind bars for what are in my unprofessional opinion criminal actions.

[–]__DocHopper__ 135ポイント136ポイント  (14子コメント)

or not getting services their taxes pay for if McKinney has to avoid hiring necessary police for a few years to cover the loss.

You aren't that naive, are you? They won't stop hiring more cops, they'll have more cops hiding behind bushes to harass "speeders."

[–]mike_311 41ポイント42ポイント  (1子コメント)

The need to start making the cops pay from their pensions.

[–]FlowerMoundish 174ポイント175ポイント  (44子コメント)

Watching the video, it seems like the officer was in a state of panic and was ill-prepared for the situation. There were a lot of people (kids) there, but none were acting out of control, drinking or anything else in the video, so I can't see why he completely "lost it".

Dispersing a crowd calmly should be something that they teach. Did he miss that day in class?

[–]staticbetweenworlds 115ポイント116ポイント  (2子コメント)

Holy fuck that cop was actling like he was at a hostage situation.

[–]FangoriouslyDevoured 112ポイント113ポイント  (20子コメント)

I'm sick of seeing these types of things happen. I'm also sick of reading about people complaining that we should do something about all the bad apples, and then nothing gets done. A few weeks ago I decided to do something. I'm applying for the police academy, spending the next several months training physically and mentally to prepare myself for the job. We need good cops. So why not become one?

[–]Sixxyphone 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because the best case scenario is that you get harassed and abused by your colleagues. And the worst case scenario is you get Serpico-ed.

[–]Captainhood10 96ポイント97ポイント  (27子コメント)

If you run, cop cracks your head open. If you stay, cop cracks your head open. What's a fella to do?

[–]stuckindeliverence 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Anyone else thinking- "Why is this cop wearing white tube socks?"

[–]sowhatnoweh 57ポイント58ポイント  (9子コメント)

I have spent a lot of time around criminals on the streets and typically when the cops show up to any type of gathering with a substantial amount of people standing around they usually approach with caution, and are friendly but firm.

Disclaimer : I am Canadian, speaking about experiences with RCMP and Canadian cops.

The reason why is because if you are a cop in any situation where you are heavily out numbered and you behave in a threatening manner you throw the entire group into reaction mode.

Things get carried away fast. If you approach calmly and say "Hey guys gather round I just want a few words with you", people generally obliege because they dont want trouble either.

Explain the call you recieved, then describe the laws in play as to your presence. Then ask them to help you do your job by meeting the requirement the cop must satisfy in order to leave.

People generally agree across the board and dispurse. If the cop wants to make sure you know hes not going to take kindly to disobedience you as a cop remind the crowd that if you have to come back for them that day you will be bringing backup and charges might be laid if applicable.

Every time Ive ever seen a cop approach an unrulely crowd like how I described they get good results.

Besides that cops should know, even the hardest criminals demand respect even if they are not respectable people. Respecting others when you have all the power takes the us vs them mentality right out of the equation.

The meanest most ugly criminal will still call a cop sir and mean it if hes handled with respect when hes being dealt with. Unless there is a need for force, simple basic human dignity when it is being respected will go a long way to keep things calm.

If this works generally with hard criminals I am sure it also works with regular civilians.

Every time I ever saw a cop behave instantly aggressive he/she had to face agression in return. It always escalates any situation where there is a power imbalance.

[–]PileOfGoodThings 173ポイント174ポイント  (35子コメント)

If this story had not made it to the internet, I'm positive there would be no investigation at all. The city officials are shitting a brick now because their dirty little secret is out. Racism is far from over down here. Just reading the YouTube comments from people who live in McKinney will give you a good idea of how a lot of Texans still feel about minorities in this state. Yeah, this is the "best place to live" IF you're an upper middle class white person. I have people on my Facebook right now screaming "support McKinney PD" and "that's what happens when you run from cops!". It's shameful at best.

[–]jennaberry 97ポイント98ポイント  (7子コメント)

"that's what happens when you run from cops!"

Yeah, that's why all the white kids who booked it got in trouble too, right?

[–]screwballsmith 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did this remind anyone of the Farva scene at the end of Super Troopers?