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[–]+297 AHades/Ronia (335,904,386) & LZL/LKali alt (344,393,207)drunkinmidget -7ポイント-6ポイント  (38子コメント)

While we are at it , can we note that players are no WWII vets and this advertising Japanese as jap and having people attack them is stupid.

Words are just sounds. The intentions behind them matter, not the words themselves.

[–]381527345-o____________o-[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

But like also, JP is easier to type, less offensive, and non ambiguous soo...

[–]+297 AHades/Ronia (335,904,386) & LZL/LKali alt (344,393,207)drunkinmidget -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's the fact that people are unaware this was a racial slur 70 years ago to their grandparents.

[–]supernorm 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

no

[–]373,597,297 - Lmeta, DQXQ, Hypermax Haku, Fagan. PM for a leadjiandersonzer0 3ポイント4ポイント  (10子コメント)

https://np.reddit.com/r/PuzzleAndDragons/comments/1oht35/modpost_please_stop_using_jap_to_shorten_the_word/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap

https://np.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/2em5vi/eli5_why_is_jap_considered_a_slur_what_makes_it/

It's never not been offensive. By your reasoning we should allow all slurs in general by virtue of them 'only being words'.

[–]381527345-o____________o-[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yup.

No one is saying that every pad player typing Jap is a racist piece of shit, but why walk that line and potentially offend people for NO REASON. Even if you don't offend people, you're planting yourself within a group of people that may/or may not be bigoted ignorant asshats. You really wanna be that uncle at christmas talking about how bad "orientals" drive? Sure it could be an honest case of ignorance coupled with anecdotal evidence, but chances are prejudice extends throughout his life experience, and that anecdotal experience is more confirmation bias + racism than anything else.

[–]381527345-o____________o-[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

ANYWAYS.....

[–]373,597,297 - Lmeta, DQXQ, Hypermax Haku, Fagan. PM for a leadjiandersonzer0 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks. I just think it's inane that even with a modpost everyone here is so, err, gungho about wanting a slur to be okay with the userbase. When I've corrected someone about it, I do it to keep this subreddit respectful.

[–]autowikibot 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jap:

Jap is an English abbreviation of the word "Japanese." Today it is generally regarded as an ethnic slur among Japanese minority populations in other countries, although English-speaking countries differ in the degree to which they consider the term offensive. In the United States, Japanese Americans have come to find the term controversial or offensive, even when used as an abbreviation. In the past, Jap was not considered primarily offensive; however, during and after the events of World War II, the term became derogatory.

Image i - Headlines announcing Japan's surrender in World War II

Interesting: Jap, West Virginia | Japchae | Aeronca E-113

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[–]+297 AHades/Ronia (335,904,386) & LZL/LKali alt (344,393,207)drunkinmidget -5ポイント-4ポイント  (5子コメント)

By your reasoning, one should look up whether an abbreviation is offensive to find such links before using it, thus ending the use of abbreviations.

A little understanding before jumping down people's throats is all I'm looking for

[–]373,597,297 - Lmeta, DQXQ, Hypermax Haku, Fagan. PM for a leadjiandersonzer0 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

JP is the universal abbreviation, 'JAP' is never used, at all, ever here.

We've had a modpost, you can use a search bar here as well. Hell, would you like me to just ask the mods to put a link to the post in the sidebar with the rules?

[–]+297 AHades/Ronia (335,904,386) & LZL/LKali alt (344,393,207)drunkinmidget -5ポイント-4ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'd like you to calm down and re-read my comment. If someone is unaware of the term, they aren't searching for whether it is ok. Assuming, requiring, or otherwise thinking that someone is going to read through rules and old mod posts before using a weird they are unaware is offensive is.... Well, ridiculous

[–]373,597,297 - Lmeta, DQXQ, Hypermax Haku, Fagan. PM for a leadjiandersonzer0 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Assuming, requiring, or otherwise thinking that someone is going to read through rules

Reading the sidebar is hard. How, again?

Words that may be interpreted as racist/offensive will lead to the removal of a post. It doesn't matter if it only "can be construed as racist/offensive" we will be erring on the side of caution.

[–]+297 AHades/Ronia (335,904,386) & LZL/LKali alt (344,393,207)drunkinmidget -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

How sensitive must one be to jump down someone's throat, rant about 1,000 words and go copy/paste various links and rules because someone commented that people should lighten up and not jump down people's throats. Haha

[–]373,597,297 - Lmeta, DQXQ, Hypermax Haku, Fagan. PM for a leadjiandersonzer0 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How sensitive must one be, to get upset that I asked someone to not use the word 'jap' in a six day old thread, and then ignore rulings passed by the mods, given to them in an unrelated thread because their jimmies were rustled enough to bring it up for whatever reason because "words' meanings don't real"?

[–]318,254,229zably 0ポイント1ポイント  (23子コメント)

This is hilarious to me whenever I see it. Reminds me of all the weird trigger warnings like "trigger warning for vegans, ad shows beef hamburger."

Edit: Getting them downvotes! Not saying I won't follow the rules, just saying I find it funny when people attack posters who obviously had no idea which abbreviation to use. A gentle reminder is (99% of the time) enough and then they switch to "JP".

[–]+297 AHades/Ronia (335,904,386) & LZL/LKali alt (344,393,207)drunkinmidget -3ポイント-2ポイント  (21子コメント)

Many people, especially Americans, don't seem to understand that just because you are offended doesn't mean you are right or that the person offending you is wrong.

That's the great thing about opinions. They don't fucking matter unless a third party decides that they matter for themselves

[–]381527345-o____________o-[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Umm, i think offending people without reasonable cause or justification is inherently wrong regardless of a third party, and i generally try to remedy the issue/apologize (assuming my intentions were pure, which theywere because I'm afucking saint), and not repeat it going forward with my life. To me, this is simply being a decent person.

There is no reason to say Jap unless you're a history prof. i haven't seen anyone on this sub attacked for it, but you should really just accept this as a thing and move on. It's not appropriate, it offends people. There's no reason to do it, there are better alternatives, so don't? Actively continuing to use the term jap after being educated on the offensive nature of the term implies malicious intent, especially within a written medium.

[–]+297 AHades/Ronia (335,904,386) & LZL/LKali alt (344,393,207)drunkinmidget [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Actively continuing to use the term jap after being educated on the offensive nature of the term implies malicious intent, especially within a written medium.

I agree. I used the word Jap as an abbreviation for japanese up until I was 23 or 24 years old. nobody says "JP" as an abbreviation as its two syllables. Abbreviations tend to be one quick syllable. It makes sense and is a natural abbreviation, like Brits for British for example.

I then found out people are really offended and why. I stopped using it.

But, it is still a natural abbreviation of japanese for anyone who does not know it has offensive implications from last century. Therefore, one should not freak out when some poor unsuspecting fellow says Jap in an innocent way.

That's all I was saying, the last part. People (not you, you've been reasonable) should calm down and not jump all over people when this occurs.

[–]373,597,297 - Lmeta, DQXQ, Hypermax Haku, Fagan. PM for a leadjiandersonzer0 0ポイント1ポイント  (18子コメント)

That's the great thing about opinions. They don't fucking matter unless a third party decides that they matter for themselves

And that's the great thing here: It's already been decided by the mods, not us. Why not complain about flair tags being required before a post is approved? Same concept. That's not up to you or me, that's a mod decision that's already done and over.

https://np.reddit.com/r/PuzzleAndDragons/comments/1oht35/modpost_please_stop_using_jap_to_shorten_the_word/ This post was made by a mod. It's been decided. You have no say in that. /u/fiftyshadesofkray is backed by /u/gettingworst on this, two of the senior mods are in agreement. I have no idea why you feel this is a pressing issue to you. Take it up with the mods, but they've already decided.

[–]+297 AHades/Ronia (335,904,386) & LZL/LKali alt (344,393,207)drunkinmidget -4ポイント-3ポイント  (17子コメント)

It's not a pressing issue. You just have your panties in a bunch.

[–]373,597,297 - Lmeta, DQXQ, Hypermax Haku, Fagan. PM for a leadjiandersonzer0 2ポイント3ポイント  (16子コメント)

Ahh, yes. Blatant sexism, assuming I'm a woman if I have an issue.

You decided to bring it up in a random thread that was unrelated right after finding my comment on the issue in a four day old thread. It's pretty clear you felt a need to address it.

[–]394,413,320. Pandora/Dmeta/Verdandisourbeer51 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

"blatant sexism" ? What's sexist about his comment?

[–]373,597,297 - Lmeta, DQXQ, Hypermax Haku, Fagan. PM for a leadjiandersonzer0 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

It's a gendered insult, the assumption that I'm a woman if I'm irate.

Did you not read it?

[–]394,413,320. Pandora/Dmeta/Verdandisourbeer51 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

How is "panties in a bunch" a gendered insult? because panties commonly refers to women's underwear? Pretty sure it's a euphemism for not overreacting. Male or female.

[–]373,597,297 - Lmeta, DQXQ, Hypermax Haku, Fagan. PM for a leadjiandersonzer0 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

And would 'jockstrap' also be a catch-all?

I have no idea why this needs to be defended. At all. It's a gendered insult, I'm not overreacting, and I still have no idea why this is even halfway relevant.

Yes, it refers to women's underwear. I don't see how that isn't more obvious. The above user saw my comment on a 4 day old thread and decided it was relevant to bring up here in an unrelated thread when I decided not to respond.

[–]+297 AHades/Ronia (335,904,386) & LZL/LKali alt (344,393,207)drunkinmidget [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

he is a man who wears panties. They are in a bunch, hence he is calling blatant sexism when there is none.

[–]+297 AHades/Ronia (335,904,386) & LZL/LKali alt (344,393,207)drunkinmidget -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

I've never seen your comment you shall of. You are again being over sensitive. A common slang sites not assume you are female. You ate again being overly sensitive.

[–]373,597,297 - Lmeta, DQXQ, Hypermax Haku, Fagan. PM for a leadjiandersonzer0 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

http://np.reddit.com/r/PuzzleAndDragons/comments/38277u/lf_the_devil_challenge_is_upon_us_and_you_people/crs04ef

I've never seen your comment you shall of.

lol

You are again being over sensitive.

Yes, repeating a mod's words to other users and then clarifying on the subject when one decides to double down on it being totally okay is being 'overly sensitive'.

[–]+297 AHades/Ronia (335,904,386) & LZL/LKali alt (344,393,207)drunkinmidget [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You're kind of dull. First you are not understanding that I am not justifying the use of the word "Jap" but merely telling people that others don't know its offensive to you so calm down. Then you bring up a comment that you also can't understand.

  1. I was making fun of your comment. You said "Don't use that word ever!" and I said "Normal?" aka "You mean don't use the word NORMAL"? then said that word disgusts me too. I was making fun of you for being over sensitive in a situation which had ZERO racial implications

  2. I don't care who you are and thus will not remember making fun of you. Do not be surprised if this repeats itself. It's not a nice truth, but it's reality. Like most redditors to most redditors, you do not matter enough to me to remember.

[–]373,597,297 - Lmeta, DQXQ, Hypermax Haku, Fagan. PM for a leadjiandersonzer0 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How Can Slurs Be Real If Our Words Aren't Real?

[–]+297 AHades/Ronia (335,904,386) & LZL/LKali alt (344,393,207)drunkinmidget -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Many people, especially Americans, don't seem to understand that just because you are offended doesn't mean you are right or that the person offending you is wrong.

That's the great thing about opinions. They don't fucking matter unless a third party decides that they matter for themselves