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[–]Dirk-Killington 1120ポイント1121ポイント  (251子コメント)

I wonder what's up with the schism between carpenters and plumbers?

[–]Ray_Ape 392ポイント393ポイント  (62子コメント)

What constitutes a carpenter is pretty broad. My guess is that day laborers and construction workers, a lot of which happen to be ethnic minorities, were part of the sampling. These types of people tend to vote Democratic because of the party's stance on illegal immigration and social benefits.

Plumbers, the majority of which are white males, tend to actually operate as self-employed business owners and tend to vote Republican.

[–]nein_stein 123ポイント124ポイント  (20子コメント)

That could be true, but 'home builder' is a category. My guess would be that carpenters union has really high participation rates while, like you said, plumbers tend to be business owners.

[–]FiscalCliffHuxtable 62ポイント63ポイント  (11子コメント)

The home builder doesn't generally do much actual building. They're usually supervisors that oversee the home construction process and contract out to subs who do the actual work.

Think portly gentleman with a beard and aviator sunglasses sitting in his freshly waxed truck on the job site barking orders to subs in a language he barely understands while looking over CAD drawings listening to Rush Limbaugh in the background.

[–]snoharm 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

This sounds a little personal, did your wife sleep with a contractor?

[–]lividimp 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

My father was a home builder before the housing bubble killed his company, and you nailed it. Seriously...scary.

[–]Dirk-Killington 59ポイント60ポイント  (9子コメント)

Never thought about that. That's a great guess. I'm a carpenter myself and I don't consider construction workers to be carpenters but the general public totally would.

[–]WearTheFourFeathers 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would not be surprised given the source if "carpenter" in practical terms mostly meant member of a carpenters union local. You'd expect building trades members to be somewhat likely to donate AND likely to self-report their profession in a neatly stackable way ("carpenter" vs "framer"). To use that example a framer would in most places be a member of the Carpenters union and I'd bet they'd be likely to report as such.

[–]Tift 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

Given that this information was likely given by the donor, my guess is that they are actually carpenters and not enough construction workers donated to make it to the list.

[–]Immolo 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

What constitutes a carpenter is pretty broad.

Blue seal carpenter here. I'm going to elaborate on this a little bit. Certain trades are compulsory. You can't legally call yourself an electrician or a plumber without government certification. While carpentry is a non-compulsory trade, so, legally anyone can call themselves a carpenter.

To make things more complicated the carpentry red seal program is an amalgamation of 22 sub trades. Many of those sub trades (roofing and drywalling for example) have there own tickets. So anyone doing those sub-trades can call themselves a carpenter, but have no idea how any of the other sub trades work. While a red seal carpenter will have functional knowledge of all the subtrades in their work scope, but might be doing things that most people wouldn't consider carpentry. Most people would be surprised to find out how little of my job is actually working with wood.

[–]upboatsallaround 467ポイント468ポイント  (90子コメント)

Jesus, the long haired hippie known for giving out free healthcare, suggesting we turn the other cheek, and also a long time carpenter. It's no surprise he leans democratic.

Then you have Mario, the shitty plumber who bankrupts the kingdom while propping up the monarchy that will give him business. It's no surprise he leans republican.

[–]CupBeEmpty 155ポイント156ポイント  (62子コメント)

But Jesus was so pro life he rose from the dead. He might not vote democratic.

[–]Tift 28ポイント29ポイント  (3子コメント)

When I first read this I thought you where using Jesus as an oath not an example.

[–]Jenks44 1815ポイント1816ポイント  (613子コメント)

I want an AMA with the one republican union organizer.

Gardener sounds like an awesome profession.

[–]Quadell 809ポイント810ポイント  (351子コメント)

the one republican union organizer

Remember that Ronald Reagan was president of the Screen Actors Guild, a union.

[–]InMyBrokenChair 586ポイント587ポイント  (255子コメント)

He identified as a Democrat at the time.

[–]untaken-username 372ポイント373ポイント  (249子コメント)

Hard to get elected to that post if you tell everyone you're a Republican.

[–]Skatinbrad 104ポイント105ポイント  (245子コメント)

Wasn't there a "shift" of sorts in that the Democratic party was more conservative before, and has gradually moved left? Both parties have polarized over time.

I remember when Arlen Specter died there was an interesting article on how parties have changed, and many of those that identified themselves as one party 30 years ago may consider otherwise by today's standards.

[–]Sansa_Culotte_ 215ポイント216ポイント  (117子コメント)

Wasn't there a "shift" of sorts in that the Democratic party was more conservative before, and has gradually moved left?

That happened in the 1960s with the Civil Rights Act. This alienated a lot of formerly Democratic supporters in the South, hence the deployment of the Southern Strategy by Nixon, later Reagan, and every Republican presidential candidate since.

[–]Tojuro 192ポイント193ポイント  (50子コメント)

"We've lost the south for a generation". That's what LBJ said when they signed the Civil Rights Act......and he was right. On the other side, the Republicans lost the North and West. People like Specter, Chaffee and Snowe -- Rockefeller Republicans who were pro-choice but fiscal Conservatives fell out of favor by the base of the GOP. Now California (Reagan's home) is as blue as you can get and no new Republican is going to win in the Northeast. The Republican party really abandoned the small government, Barry Goldwater, ideals -- taking abortion, opposition to gay rights, etc as banner (wedge) issues, and it will taint them for the coming generations.

[–]Jerrywelfare 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

So is Chris Christy an exception? I seem to recall the Republicans having a pretty good election in the northeast last November also.

[–]2fingers 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

Republicans do have some success getting elected to prominent city/state offices in the northeast. Pataki, Giuliani, Christie, etc. I wouldn't even really consider them outliers or exceptions, they fit with the desires of the electorate so they find success (I was young when Giuliani was in office but I think he wasn't really the nutjob he is today).

It's the idea that a national Republican campaign could win in the left-leaning northeastern states. I think most people would agree that if Christie were to run for president, he would need to shift his policies to the right, in order to get the Republican nomination. If he were to do this, he would lose the support of moderates and probably not even have a chance in New Jersey. And I would be shocked if New York were to go Republican in my lifetime.

[–]dinky_winky 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

I wonder what re9/11y happened to Gui9/11ani when he was in o9/11ce that so to9/11y changed him from a regu9/11r Republican into an insane dema9/11gue.

[–]derleth 52ポイント53ポイント  (7子コメント)

An interview on the Southern Strategy given by Lee Atwater, Republican strategist:

You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”

And, yes, to this day, there are Republicans who deny the Southern Strategy ever happened, and will laugh at you for mentioning dog whistle politics.

[–]p_gascoigne 104ポイント105ポイント  (80子コメント)

FDR, and in particular the New Deal, is far to left of anything imaginable of the political spectrum today.

During Eisenhower (a Republican) in the 1950s the income tax for the top earners was 90%...

The U.S. has moved far, far to the right over the last half century.

The only "left" shift that happened is that Democrats started opposing Jim Crow in the 1960s.

[–]Captain_Vegetable 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

Reagan's line was "I didn't leave the Democratic Party. The party left me".

[–]Quadell 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's true, but he also supported the candidacies of Republicans Eisenhower and Nixon. Since this chart tracks candidate donations (rather than party identity), a donation to Nixon would be on the "red" side, even if made by a self-described Democrat.

[–]Otang402 137ポイント138ポイント  (82子コメント)

He was also an FBI informant providing information on his fellow guild members as "members of the communist party" during the red scare. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/02/opinion/sunday/reagans-personal-spying-machine.html?_r=0

[–]Legionaairre 100ポイント101ポイント  (77子コメント)

What a man. I don't get the hype around him at all.

[–]beef-o-lipso 53ポイント54ポイント  (1子コメント)

After Nixon, Ford, and Carter, Reagan was a man with a plan with an incredible ability to communicate.

He didn't like how things are going, he'd take to the air and to the people.

President Clinton came close.

[–]Dr_Kriegers_Van 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Clinton did come close, but it seems he prematurely shot his wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, and ended up with a mess on his hands. And elsewhere.

[–]BuntRuntCunt 16ポイント17ポイント  (10子コメント)

Following a terrible presidency certainly helps your legacy. The transition from Carter to Reagan resulted in the freeing of the Iranian hostages and massive economic recovery. How much credit you give Reagan for those things and how much blame you give Carter is a matter of personal opinion and political leaning, but things did get better under Reagan.

[–]Eubeen_Hadd 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

things did get better under Reagan.

This is the key. As much as we like to pedestal our presidents, they have very little true power to influence the world we live in. Things happen during presidencies and that's what defines them, but they don't tend to actually do things, especially at home. Abroad things are a bit different, but still, the Commander in Chief can only do so much.

[–]MuaddibMcFly 56ポイント57ポイント  (9子コメント)

It's charisma, pure and simple. Same thing Mr Obama has going for him.

[–]heavenfromhell 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

There was also that economic recovery after Carter. The US had 4% growth per quarter while under President Obama I don't think the US has hit 4% growth for any year.

[–]h4rlotsghost 24ポイント25ポイント  (7子コメント)

Is there some kind of secret oil tycoon union we don't know about?

[–]Deni1e 73ポイント74ポイント  (49子コメント)

He's probably head of like the Fraternal Order of Police.

[–]Tift 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wait they called themselves FOPs? That's just dandy.

[–]paulwesterberg 58ポイント59ポイント  (43子コメント)

Scott Walker recently stripped power to negotiate salaries & benefits from public unions, but Police and Firefighters were specifically exempted.

[–]Alonick 60ポイント61ポイント  (34子コメント)

Because it is illegal for them to go on strike.

[–]CloudsOfDust 37ポイント38ポイント  (32子コメント)

Its also illegal for teachers to go on strike, but he dismantled their union.

[–]oracle9999 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

This varies from state to state (the teachers I mean.). Clark county in Vegas (4th largest school district in the nation,) has no striking power as a union, but it's a union you don't have to join. LA unified strikes all the time (at least in the early 2000s, left CA so what happens now I'm less up to date on.). Whether you have o join their union or not I'm not 100% but they honestly strike more than I've seen any other group...

[–]loworigins 133ポイント134ポイント  (97子コメント)

Union organizer here: You'd be surprised how many union staff and members lean Republican. One thing that I consistently have to explain to people is that unions weren't always an inherently partisan idea, there was once a time when Republicans weren't waging an all-out war on the right of working people to bargain their conditions.

also police unions tend to be super duper reactionary

[–]beardrinkcoffee 101ポイント102ポイント  (40子コメント)

Unions at Boeing are particularly interesting - lot's of rural white guys who don't like it when Obama visits, but are really into their union benefits.

[–]sonofsmog 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Public sector unions are primarily what the GOP (and others I might add) rail against. Unlike private sector unions they have the advantage of negotiating from both sides of the table. In Democrat state or city like Los Angeles or California, they elect the politicians that they negotiate with, saddling future taxpayers with enormous unsustainable tax burdens.

[–]PhysicsIsMyMistress 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

I want an AMA with the one republican union organizer.

Pretty much all the police union leaders

[–]Specter76 416ポイント417ポイント  (77子コメント)

Pro poker player surprised me in leaning heavily democratic. That one just jumped out at me as odd.

[–]LITERALLYGOAT 156ポイント157ポイント  (10子コメント)

There is a strong selection bias at work. Pro poker players who contribute to political campaigns are often concerned with making poker, both casino and online, more accessible (Democrat). However, professional poker players as a whole are often very anti-government, libertarian-leaning types, who are not likely to contribute to a political campaign, hence not in the data.

[–]Mediocretes1 40ポイント41ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most of the professional poker players I have met haven't really been too concerned with their nationality anyway. They go where the action is, and if the US isn't friendly towards their profession currently they will go to Europe or Macau or wherever they can make a decent living. A lot of the really good online players just moved to Canada or Europe after black Friday.

[–]landon0605 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you nailed it. I have several really good friends who are (or were when you could play online easier) professional poker players. The only thing they care about is that when/if it is legalized, it won't be taxed so heavily that will make it unprofitable. If the republicans proposed taxing online poker less than the democrats, I would guarantee that they would turn a the majority of the players who vote democratic into republicans.

No gambler wants to see the house win, and the house in this case is the government.

[–]CondorAvenue 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Every semi-pro and pro poker player's primary concern is making it more accessible so there are more fish. Also, being able to play online is pretty big

[–]CheesingmyBrainsOut 33ポイント34ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was previously a professional poker player. There's 2 things. First, most poker players are very young. Second, conservative legislation led to online poker being essentially banned in the U.S. back in 2011.

[–]verdantlabs[S] 418ポイント419ポイント  (90子コメント)

For a given profession, the blue arc represents the proportion of Democrats in that profession vs. Republicans (red arc).

Top diagram: Some related professions side-by-side, with predominantly Democratic on the left and Republican on the right.

Bottom diagram (interactive, though a bit laggy on older devices): Professions grouped together and ordered by political bent from top to bottom.

Data source: Campaign contribution data from the US Federal Election Commission (FEC)

Primary tools: Java app to parse and process the data, d3.js for the tree visualization

[–]Deathwedgie 167ポイント168ポイント  (16子コメント)

Data source: Campaign contribution data from the US Federal Election Commission (FEC)

If this is the data source, then does this represent proportions of Dems vs. Repubs, or proportions of Dems vs. Repubs who contributed? Sounds a little similar to the differences when poling likely voters versus average Americans, which are significant.

[–]WontGetFined 69ポイント70ポイント  (10子コメント)

I agree that's a huge flaw, especially when you consider that individuals in some professions (e.g. business, labor, law) are vastly more likely to make political contributions than individuals in other professions (perhaps plumbers and home builders). I also wonder if the data is based on each contribution or each individual who contributed. E.g. it's imaginable that an average Republican-leaning business owner may contribute to more candidates than a Democrat-leaning business owner, which would skew the category further to the right if based purely on contributions.

[–]verdantlabs[S] 35ポイント36ポイント  (6子コメント)

I agree that there's a caveat regarding whether Democrats in a given field tend to contribute more freely vs. Republicans or vice versa. I wrote about that a little in the blog post linked to at the top of the chart.

That said, I'm not sure if the giving rate matters much for one profession (lawyers) compared to another (plumbers) since we're just looking at the ratios within each profession, not combining them across professions.

[–]jesse0 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

We also can't assume that Republicans and Democrats within a given field donate at the same rate. Without that, we don't know if we're discovering that more neurosurgeons are Republican over Democrat, or that Republican neurosurgeons give more frequently than Dems.

[–]IM_A_VIRGIN_AMA 1146ポイント1147ポイント  (79子コメント)

I was going to suggest that you put this on /r/politics but after seeing that its not completely biased and actually seems as though it's all truth, maybe it doesnt belong there.

[–]nocommemt 723ポイント724ポイント  (45子コメント)

I just left there.. Have you heard the good word of Bernie Sanders?

[–]StankyMung 291ポイント292ポイント  (11子コメント)

You went there? On purpose?

[–]nocommemt 179ポイント180ポイント  (8子コメント)

The never claimed to be an intelligent man..

Edit: I not the

Edit: Please read as "I never claimed to be an intelligent man.."

Edit: I'M SO CONFUSED

[–]pcopley 42ポイント43ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know when you click edit, you're actually allowed to edit, right?

[–]InsomniacAlways 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't understand you people. Instead of editing your previous comment to get rid of the 'the' and write 'I' instead, you just write below it 'I meant I.'

[–]Bloodysneeze 51ポイント52ポイント  (18子コメント)

Those people are already starting to flood /r/Iowa with their religious devotion. It's not even summer and I'm dreading the coming election season here.

[–]dis_is_my_account 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nooooo! The name of my beautiful state can't be tainted. :(

[–]Bloodysneeze 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

That ship sailed long ago.

[–]Billebill 201ポイント202ポイント  (6子コメント)

It doesn't put any specific demographic in a bad light? This wouldn't get 10 upvotes in /r/politics

[–]DerJawsh 34ポイント35ポイント  (7子コメント)

It may not be entirely accurate. It's based on campaign donations. I did find one that intrigued me because I had previously researched the political leanings of the occupation and it seemed the political leanings were completely opposite compared to what is depicted here.

[–]DrinkingAndFighting 36ポイント37ポイント  (5子コメント)

72 Innkeepers out of 100 are democrats

When was this sampled, 1850?

[–]LibertyIsNotFree 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

My guess is bed and breakfast owners would list their occupation for tax purposes as Inn Keeper

[–]TurdFerguson812 208ポイント209ポイント  (91子コメント)

Serious question....is "Environmentalist" an actual job? I mean, environmental lawyer, environmental lobbyist, those are actual jobs.

[–]verdantlabs[S] 177ポイント178ポイント  (27子コメント)

This data's from the FEC, so "Environmentalist" is what some people reported as their occupation when making campaign contributions.

[–]cciv 57ポイント58ポイント  (14子コメント)

And since you can report whatever you want to the candidate who fills out the form, it's sort of a political statement. You could say "Here's $200 to use for your campaign. Oh, my occupation? I'm a rifle enthusiast."

[–]LtNOWIS 32ポイント33ポイント  (4子コメント)

Are you saying "tax slave" isn't a real profession?

[–]HBlight 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

... I feel sorry for the fax slave. Who gets owned by a fax machine?

[–]SensationalDuke 207ポイント208ポイント  (10子コメント)

I guess that's one way to avoid listing yourself as unemployed.

[–]ColorfulPixels 85ポイント86ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's not a nice way to call people who are diligently environmenting in our society.

[–]Tantric989 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

Makes sense. Unemployed people make political contributions all the time.

[–]splitnose 108ポイント109ポイント  (54子コメント)

I've worked as an "environmentalist" before, for an environmental advocacy org. My job was definitely a real job - much more so than the brainless 9-5 jobs of most other people I knew - and it was not at all what you'd think. No male ponytails, no sandals, no patchouli. What it was: good people working very hard to wrest this area or that species from imminent destruction, and receiving virtually no thanks for it.

And now, a rant I've wanted to make for years: people are fucking hypocrites when it comes to environmentalists. People love to mock environmentalists (see thread below), and yet these same assholes feel no shred of hypocrisy when they actually enjoy the many, many benefits of environmental protections. Clean water, clean air, abundant species to fish and hunt and photograph, protected areas: the market doesn't supply those things. Left unchecked, the market will destroy that shit. If you want to conserve nature, you've got to drag it out of the clutches of industry, who always get first dibs, and force the government to protect it. So, that's what environmental advocacy people do, and if they weren't out doing it, you wouldn't be able to enjoy those things.

(My favorite moment: walking through an entrance to a National Park and overhearing a Tea Party type in front of me alternating between oohing and ahhing over the mature forest that we were in (which had been protected from logging decades ago), and bitching about the libruls. Can't have it both ways, fuckwit).

[–]godlesspinko 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, environmentalists often sample soil, water, and air, as well as measure animal and plant populations to see how much human activity is impacting ecology. They create environmental impact studies before proposed developments, and inform the public/politicians of pressing environmental issues.

[–]Coganstuff 181ポイント182ポイント  (54子コメント)

Who are the republican Yoga instructors? Because it blows my mind there is anything red there.

[–]Glarenya 36ポイント37ポイント  (2子コメント)

I work at a YMCA in a very conservative town, its very easy for me to imagine the yoga instuctors here being republican.

[–]Quadell 80ポイント81ポイント  (12子コメント)

This chart shows the ratios for donations to political candidates. I know a yoga instructor who has no strong political views, but whose husband is a hardcore Republican; I can easily imagine her agreeing to let him make a donation in her name, if he'd already given the maximum in his own name.

[–]gsfgf 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wives of rich guys doing it as a hobby?

[–]jago81 170ポイント171ポイント  (29子コメント)

This is a bit eye-opening for me. Expanded the Religion tab to find the majority of Christian leaders are Dems. It seems that the majority of loud mouth religious folks are the only demographic we see daily. I would have never guessed they leaned Dem for the most part.

[–]mousedeath 139ポイント140ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah the Religious Right isn't representative of religious people in general. The just happen to make enough noise to drown everyone else out.

[–]maelfyn 49ポイント50ポイント  (6子コメント)

Remember that most black people self-identify as Christian or Muslim. There aren't a lot of atheist black people. So that's a huge shift left without even getting to the rest of the population. Hispanics are mostly Catholic, too.

[–]poopyheadthrowaway 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

I remember a minister saying that the church leadership is largely left-leaning while the church membership is largely right-leaning.

[–]nathew42 115ポイント116ポイント  (7子コメント)

Carpenters

Jesus confirmed as a liberal

[–]Fibonacci35813 41ポイント42ポイント  (25子コメント)

The religion circle has a democrat majority? Interesting.

[–]QuelqueChoseRose 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

Mormons and Evangelical Christians are the only majority-Republican major religious groups in America; plus mainline Protestants are plurality-Republican, but by a relatively small margin (48 to 40). Every other major religious group is majority-Democrat.

Source: http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/2014-party-identification-detailed-tables/

[–]guave06 44ポイント45ポイント  (6子コメント)

Because the religious republicans are very vocal about issues, you never hear of all the left-leaning churches

[–]GranpasMedicine 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's pretty much dead on. I'm registered as Republican (to vote for libertarian candidates in primaries), but am a member of a very progressive church that I love. When I talk about what we believe and why, many times people are blown away and haven't heard of a church like that.

We have over 500,000 members. Our church, as an institution, is extremely opposed to taking a stance on issues because we don't want to ostracize members who may take a different position on a given issue, but we do encourage our laity and clergy to be activists in whatever they believe in. That's why nobody's heard much about us unless you dig a little.

[–]manomirth 89ポイント90ポイント  (74子コメント)

The difference between psychiatrist and neurosurgeon is an interesting one. Great visual, by the way.

[–]mahluckycharms 74ポイント75ポイント  (12子コメント)

Psychiatrists and Neurologists/neurosurgeons see completely different people for completely different illnesses.

Psychiatrists: mentally ill patients. Psychosis, addiction, depression, suicide. A lot of poor people. Psychiatrists are also among the lowest paid MDs

Neuro: brain damage. Stroke, parkinson's, traumatic brain injury. Neurologists are paid very well, and neurosurgery among one of the highest paying specialties.

I work in mental health (addiction treatment) and I know literally no right leaning psychiatrist, PMHN, or licensed counselor. On the flip side, my girlfriend is a medical student, and neurosurg students live up to their stereotype:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MddcrwU1qmc/TZ8-qsNeDpI/AAAAAAAADPk/znq8d3U8wK0/s1600/12%2Bmedical%2Bspecialty%2Bstereotypes%2Bfull%2B%2528new%2529.jpg

[–]BonnaroovianCode 22ポイント23ポイント  (7子コメント)

Why do you think that psychiatrists lean left? My guess would be that they see how people are not in dire straights because of anything in their control, but because of faulty wiring. When you see things that way, a meritocracy falls apart. Interested to hear your thoughts though.

[–]neutropos 68ポイント69ポイント  (51子コメント)

I'm not surprised by this at all. They make such a great difference in $$.

[–]expendablethoughts 56ポイント57ポイント  (22子コメント)

There are some union organizers who vote Republican?

[–]itstophman 43ポイント44ポイント  (5子コメント)

I imagined that some of these would be located in the defense industry, law enforcement, and defense industries.

[–]theonlyotheruser 24ポイント25ポイント  (25子コメント)

This is absolutely fascinating. Even as a democrat who is in the Army, I wonder why democrats are a higher population in the Army than any other branch.

[–]tripandfall16 13ポイント14ポイント  (9子コメント)

Id guess its cause they have the most minorities and the largest black percentage whilst the marines are 83% white.

[–]PolarBearsAreOP 177ポイント178ポイント  (67子コメント)

Maybe I'm just looking at this through the eyes of a filthy liberal (Can't identify as Democrat or Republican on account of being British), but this seems a lot like it's trying make a statement against Republicans, with some of the comparisons like 'Floral Designer ' and 'Exterminator' seeming a bit damning towards the latter party.

That's fine, information can be presented with a certain viewpoint in mind, nothing wrong with that, my only issue is having worked in the medical field, it seems a bit harsh to put Plastic Surgeons as the antithesis of Sculptors. Having seen a plastic surgeon in tears over feeling like not being able to do enough to repair the face of a young girl disfigured in a fire, it seems unjustified to lump them in with the 'Capitalist Crew' over on the Republican column.

[–]NCOSRane 43ポイント44ポイント  (2子コメント)

I saw this the other way. Most of the more traditionally "successful" jobs had more red in their circles as did most of the more "hard-working" blue collar jobs. Some of the blue circle jobs barely qualify as jobs.

[–]no_pants_gamer 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think as a whole the republican-majority professions are cooler, and I'm not a conservative.

[–]albions-angel 99ポイント100ポイント  (19子コメント)

The one that got me was Librarian/Logger. Logger on its own conjures images of a lumber jack; checked shirt, hand axe, bow saw, beard(, suspenders and a bra). But when juxtaposed with Librarian, it makes you think of deforestation and big machines and the paper industry, regardless of the fact that I am sure most US logging industries replant 1 for 1 or 2 for 1.

And then when you read all the comparisons, almost universally negative for Republican, and you get to Psychologist vs Neurosurgeon you somehow see Neurosurgeon's as money grubbing, and Psychologists as compassionate, and it makes you think of how much more the surgeon earns. If you take a step back, you realise its because one requires one hell of a lot more training. Im sure psychiatric help is taxing and difficult, but if you get it wrong, you dont instantly kill your patient. You arnt on your feet for 48 hours at a time where shaking hands could spell disaster. And its a much harder field to break into.

Paediatrician and Urologist is another odd one. Bladder infections can be fatal, penile discomfort a symptom of something much more serious. There is literally nothing bad about being a Urologist.

[–]otterstew 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe pediatrics should have been compared to geriatrics?

[–]azuresou1 55ポイント56ポイント  (23子コメント)

I don't know, I think it's the lens through which you view the comparisons. I actually viewed it more positively in favor of the Republicans.

For example, which one is ultimately more necessary for society, Floral Designers or Exterminators? I'd argue the latter.

Between Psychologists and Neurosurgeons, I'd also assign more credibility to the one who actually went to medical school and can prescribe meds.

Edit: You're right, it says psychiatrist and not psychologist. My overall point still stands which is that 'favorability' depends on the lens from which you're viewing the comparisons.

[–]Zeabos 39ポイント40ポイント  (19子コメント)

I sort of agree. I'm a democrat, but if our societies were to split apart, seems like the republican one would be pretty functional and the dem one would be a bunch of people with superfluous or esoteric skills. Aka in Zombie apocalypse, pick republicans.

[–]polychaos 15ポイント16ポイント  (18子コメント)

Your aka should be obvious anyways. in a zombie apocalypse, would you rather have a person who knows how to shoot a gun, live outdoors, and live outside of a city, or the opposite?

[–]Longanissa 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

Having seen a plastic surgeon in tears over feeling like not being able to do enough to repair the face of a young girl disfigured in a fire, it seems unjustified to lump them in with the 'Capitalist Crew' over on the Republican column.

Just because some people want low taxes and low levels of regulation doesn't make them a complete automatons incapable of emotion. Republicans love their kids too.

[–]fluffstravels 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

Funny. I was gonna say the opposite. It seems in every job where you're actually dealing with the harsh truths of the world - you're a republican. When you have a cushiony job, you're a democrat.

[–]itmustbesublime 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

To me it looked like the data showed republicans as being one tier higher.

flight attendant vs pilot

park ranger vs sheriff

bartender vs beer wholesaler

etc.

[–]Californiasnow 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you haven't noticed Reddit doesn't like Republicans very much.

[–]NYRangers1313 27ポイント28ポイント  (22子コメント)

The only one that surprises me is Park Ranger. The one I know is largely Republican and so are his co-workers. Then again I don't know every park ranger. When it comes to Aviation the few commercial and military pilots I know lean Republican but the few Private Pilots I know are very Liberal. They fit that Upper Middle Class Liberal stereotype.

[–]scion127 28ポイント29ポイント  (7子コメント)

Since most republicans are for shrinking the federal government that would mean cuts. Cuts mean park related services and careers begin to disappear.

[–]that1prince 23ポイント24ポイント  (4子コメント)

In addition to pay, park rangers may actually care about environmental issue more heavily than other law enforcement like sheriffs, who are concerned with serious crime.

[–]Kappen_ 27ポイント28ポイント  (7子コメント)

Urologists lean right.

[–]Gehalgod 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

hang* right

EDIT: Just realized that I tried to make the same joke that you were already making. I am not a smart man.

[–]tehflambo 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

This page seems to be downloading its content as a file instead of displaying it when I open it in Chrome. IE just shows an empty frame where the content should be. What do?

[–]TheOriginal_G 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Anyone that went to a Public University could probably have guessed which way each profession leans based on their experiences there. The only thing I found surprising were some of the more technical trade professions like carpentry, plumbing, etc.

[–]Tracy0924 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

Where is nursing in this? Nursing is a pretty common profession.

[–]YWxpY2lh 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

Click "Expand All" then search for "Nurse", it's under Medical Services, it's 2/3rds democrat.

[–]youyour 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't underestimate that portion of yoga instructors who like to open carry guns while teaching the open lotus flower position

[–]Arthur_Dent_42_121 58ポイント59ポイント  (72子コメント)

Interesting how Astrophysicist is almost completely democratic.

[–]rukqoa 175ポイント176ポイント  (38子コメント)

Fairly straightforward. Astrophysicists get almost all of their paychecks from the government. Studying the creation of the universe isn't a very profitable profession.

[–]TheHardTruthFairy 22ポイント23ポイント  (13子コメント)

I remember seeing a study that said something like a majority of scientists in America identify as liberal or liberal leaning while only a very small percentage call themselves republican or conservative.

Edit: http://www.people-press.org/2009/07/09/section-4-scientists-politics-and-religion/

[–]pacfcqlkcj4 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

My own anecdotal evidence (I have a PhD and work in a research setting) says that this is to some extent a self-selection for people who have chosen a career path that they understand means less money. They're less likely to lean towards the "government's taking our money" party.

[–]carebearinator 157ポイント158ポイント  (37子コメント)

TIL that Republicans are Lawful alignments and Democrats are Chaotic. My paladin just took on new qualities.

[–]blamb211 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, looks like my third level cleric is most definitely Republican. I mean, he's Neutral good, but he tends to lean Lawful.

[–]Rodot 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

My old chaotic good cleric was always about free healthcare... to everyone... My party would get really annoyed whenever I'd revive the monster or villain we had just spent an hour trying to defeat.

[–]cardevitoraphicticia 201ポイント202ポイント  (302子コメント)

It's interesting to see professions that focus on money sided almost ubiquitously with the Republicans. Even the accountants, who don't themselves make much money.

I guess Dems need to focus a little more on budget balancing.

[–]Wyo-Patriot 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even the accountants, who don't themselves make much money.

I think you're confusing Accountants (CPA) with bookkeepers. CPAs earn great money.

[–]hungryhungryHIPAA 38ポイント39ポイント  (23子コメント)

I also noticed this, especially within the doctor world. Pediatricians and psychiatrists make considerably less than the other specialties listed (surgeon, plastic surgeon, neurosurgeon, urologists - who also perform surgeries) and are Democratic. We're talking 170-180k salary for peds/psych vs 225-500k salary for the other specialties. In the grand scheme of things, when your loans are fetching 200k+ and you're making 170k a year as a pediatrician, you're actually living a modest lifestyle.

[–]BillyBuckets 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

I was actually surprised by how even split medicine was as a whole, however. There are more older docs than younger ones, and aside from psych and peds, most doctors over 45 or 50 I've met (outside of academia at least) are conservative. The biggest shocker was family med. those folks are usually private business owners and (again, anecdotally) are often leaning right.

My samples are so small though, as I'm in an academic setting. I rarely interact with solo private practice docs. The politically vocal ones tend to be conservative (and they're vocal because we've had a democratic president for 2 terms and the unfortunate media decision to call the ACA "Obamacare").

[–]Fossafossa 205ポイント206ポイント  (162子コメント)

And that professions based around learning and teaching (research, sciences, academia) lean Democrat.

[–]Xciv 401ポイント402ポイント  (90子コメント)

It's actually very fundamental. People whose jobs include making money want less taxes on their earnings. People whose jobs rely on government funding want more taxes to ensure their livelihoods are being properly funded. I would be surprised if the political leanings were anything else (it'd mean people voting against their own interests).

[–]runtheroad 80ポイント81ポイント  (37子コメント)

Explain the military then.

[–]9999monkeys 192ポイント193ポイント  (11子コメント)

Ah, well, that's a good point - the Democrats tend to increase government spending on everything EXCEPT the military, whereas the Republicans tend to cut spending on everything EXCEPT the military. I guess.

[–]TrynnaFindaBalance 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Republicans and Democrats (for now at least) have a pretty strong bipartisan consensus that we should not be defunding our military. Cuts to defense are almost universally politically unpopular, much moreso when it comes to things like base closings.

[–]Thetiredduck 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

Don't Republicans want to spend more on the military? I have no idea if this is true, its just the impression that I've had

[–]Adjjmrbc0136 27ポイント28ポイント  (25子コメント)

My dad is in the business field and the only aspect of politics he cares about is taxes. There could be a republican child murderer as long as he promises to lower taxes he'd vote for them. "The government doesn't need a take a single penny of my hard earned money and give it to someone else" he once said that they should do away with ALL government run organizations and privatize everything: schools, roads, abolish wellfare etc.

[–]untaken-username 31ポイント32ポイント  (9子コメント)

I wonder how much of that is because they rely on Democrat policies for their funding.

Take the mental health workers. The majority of mental health workers are working with people on the lower rungs of the socioeconomic ladder; their work is funded almost entirely by county, state and Federal plans. It comes as no surprise, then, that most people in that group would lean Democrat because any cuts to those programs could mean they're out of a job.

Conversely, those mental health workers that work in private practice are more likely to be self-employed. Their customers are not dependent on government funding. These mental health workers are more likely focused on the business side of things - taxes, regulations, and so on. So their interests lie in less taxes, less regulations, something the Republicans promise.

I presume this pattern continues for the other learning and teaching industries. If you teach or do research at a public school or university I imagine you're much more likely to be Democratic than someone who works as a private tutor or is a researcher employed by a mega-corp.

All that to say, it's all about, "Show me the money," no matter whether its Democrats or Republicans. People and their own self-interests...

[–]nickl220 68ポイント69ポイント  (32子コメント)

Having grown up in a rural area, I've never understood why farmers are so Republican. Their profession is more dependent on government price supports than almost any other.

[–]Mariokartfever 77ポイント78ポイント  (13子コメント)

Republicans support farmers through orgs like DOA and with tariffs.

It's less about political philosophy and more about culture IMO.

[–]Mackgu3 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

I really wonder who the republican union organizers are.

[–]Bindonequip 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

So what is gather is that we need each other, whether we like it or not.

[–]snor_lax 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I want to meet a conservative yoga instructor.

[–]aj67890 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Given the choice between these options, I feel that I could have guessed correctly for most of them. But I'm having difficulty in explaining why.

[–]HeroicLarvy 68ポイント69ポイント  (6子コメント)

Shocked to see how many people are now just realising that, Republicans are just normal people too.

[–]golfrinserepeat 27ポイント28ポイント  (30子コメント)

I find it difficult to believe that Engineering is so heavily Democrat. That's not been my experience.

[–]mousedeath 34ポイント35ポイント  (11子コメント)

From what I see from the figures its because Software Engineers balance out everyone else out.

[–]-Themis- 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Actually, electrical engineers are also democratic leaning.

Oddly, civil engineers are the most conservative which is weird considering that the Republicans generally don't want to spend on infrastructure.

[–]shaolin_cowboy 17ポイント18ポイント  (12子コメント)

What about people who are middle of the road and don't really side strongly with either party? Since the data comes from campaign contributions, wouldn't this leave the middle of the roaders out?

[–]Tantric989 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

Since the graph is about people who lean left or right, middle of the road people are a non-factor. Even independents make contributions, they just don't vote and contribute based on the party line.

[–]Timbukthree 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is awesome, well done. It would be very interesting to also plot the numbers after controlling for the influence of democratics like gender and race

[–]gnorrn 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

This.

Pediatrician (female) vs. urologist (male) was a good example.

[–]markemark08 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

everything on the right makes more money than on the left

[–]claudesoph 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

ITT: biased people seeing what they want to see.

[–]articulationize 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is what big data sets are for.

[–]ViciousCycle 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

A really big factor here seems to be how much the job revolves around one's boss, or if there even is a boss. The more bossless jobs seem to lean heavily Democrat.

[–]bayopreperat 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Business owners being heavily Republican kinda thwarts that assumption. There's no more boss-less job than being the boss.

[–]TANRailgun 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Noticing a trend: Democrat heavy jobs seem to be ones that involve the most technical knowledge and creativity, and pay tends to be relatively unrelated to performance (lots of salary jobs). Republican dominated jobs seem to be more pragmatic and hands-on. Pay and rewards for many of these jobs is directly affected by performance (commission/sales jobs, business owners, agriculture, etc..).

[–]eugenebrom 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

i'm not exactly sure it's fair to judge exterminators next to floral designers

[–]light_is_life 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Data is data. Interesting stuff. Entertaining watching so many folks trying to wrangle it to fit their biases.

[–]hatramroany 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

I finally found engineering, shocked it was blue, expanded it, my field (civil) is the most conservative. This is why I keep my mouth shut at work and pray along to the altar of Ronald Reagan.

[–]eigenfood 46ポイント47ポイント  (79子コメント)

If society was split into two groups, the left and the right, on this chart, which one could actually sustain itself?

[–]Gorm_the_Old 111ポイント112ポイント  (36子コメント)

The Republicans would easily survive, but after all the Democrats died off, the surviving Republicans wouldn't have anyone to talk to about their problems.

[–]deHavillandDash8Q400 44ポイント45ポイント  (20子コメント)

Pediatrician, carpenters, and architects are the most necessary front left. The right is chock full of important jobs lol.

[–]Eagle-Eye-Smith 29ポイント30ポイント  (16子コメント)

Mathematicians and engineers aren't important?

[–]LiueOriginality 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Engineers are absolutely critical. Mathematicians less so but we'd still feel their absence and it would hurt.

[–]tkousc 44ポイント45ポイント  (2子コメント)

This reinforces the idea that Hollywood and entertainment is a liberal bastion. Just know world that what you see from our entertainment industry is not reality in this country. It is much more complex and nuanced.

[–]scion127 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

For anyone confused about law enforcement being a little half and half most city police officers work in a very liberal densely populated, and multicultural environment that's progressive. Most Sherif departments and highway patrol officers tend to work in the complete opposite.

[–]Kirkayak 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Irrespective of discipline, wouldn't those more financially capable of becoming investors and rent-seekers, per their high income, be more naturally inclined towards the GOP side?

I suspect that if librarians, as one example, were pulling in neurosurgeon salaries, their affiliation would likely swap.

[–]ElizabethAnnWashingt 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

No agenda in the profession pairings, none at all.