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Indirect'I'm Eating Once A Day': Congress' Food Stamp Cuts Hit Wisconsin Seniors Hard (huffingtonpost.com)

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[–]idapitbwidiuatabip -5ポイント-4ポイント  (53子コメント)

FYI, if you eat 1200-2000 calories once a day you're still fine.

No rule that you gotta eat every 6-8 hours.

EDIT: Check out /r/fasting and Google Intermittent Fasting. There's no science saying that humans have to eat 3 times a day.

EDIT 2: Wow, lots of downvotes. Just like people screaming COMMUNISM when they first hear about Basic Income with no prior knowledge, we've got supposedly open minded UBI proponents here screaming STARVATION and UNHEALTHY when, for the first time, they hear about Intermittent Fasting. Sad. I expected more from /r/basicincome -- at least there were a few open minded people here.

EDIT 3: Because some people still didn't get it -- I'm obviously not advocating intermittent fasting to seniors (though some might be healthy enough to do so). This comment was just a side-note, not something directly relating to the article or the seniors in Wisconsin. My comment was a factoid. Like underneath a Snapple cap. There's no reason for so many people to get so militant about nothing.

[–]goldygnome 14ポイント15ポイント  (22子コメント)

I think that the point of "eating once a day" is that there's not enough food for three meals, rather than this person has decided to binge eat all the food in one sitting.

[–]idapitbwidiuatabip -4ポイント-3ポイント  (21子コメント)

I know -- I wasn't referencing the article or that person's specific situation or trying to say it was alright. It was just an FYI because it's a common misperception that many people have -- that humans have to eat 3 times a day.

And that it's necessary for health. That's not true at all.

there's not enough food for three meals,

Three separate meals are more expensive than one single meal, though. I do intermittent fasting for the cost reasons just as much as I do it for the lifestyle and health reasons.

[–]WizardofStaz$20K US UBI 7ポイント8ポイント  (12子コメント)

I know -- I wasn't referencing the article or that person's specific situation or trying to say it was alright.

So you weren't taking part in this conversation or even discussing something remotely related to the topic at hand... you were just shoehorning in your crap about fasting.

[–]velders01 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

Damn dude are you seriously this dumb or are your social communication skills caught in some drunken whirlpool? I'm a fan of intermittent fasting as well btw, but what the hell are you thinking? In what addled part of your brain did you think this was even remotely relevant to the topic being discussed? Open minded? If this is your definition of open minded, maybe you should close the doors of your mind for just a bit, and arrange some of your cognitive functions that you barely have first before letting new thoughts and ideas enter.

Did you hear a topic encapsulating a certain message, strip that message aside, reduce it to the interpretation that fits some ancillary topic that has absolutely no relevance to the topic at hand, just so you can tell some people online about your "revolutionary" knowledge? People on bodybuilding.com forums have been preaching IF nonstop for the past decade.

These are seniors. Are you suggesting IF to 65+ years old? The obvious message was a lack of funds for eating, but what now... you expect them to get a gym membership, practice HIIT, and uh.. eat 1-2 meals in the 8 hours usually prescribed by Intermittent Fasting proponents? Yeah, we should be more open minded. God forbid someone criticize a dumbass's dumbass argument.

Seriously, you win the reddit dumbass of the month award. Monthly quota already filled, and it's barely been a week of June. Congrats. You should let people on /r/fasting know about this. I'm sure they and the rest of the nutrition and fitness communities will clap for your beneficence in educating people about HIIT in a policy topic about seniors who are economically struggling.

P.S. I'm not an angry person usually, online or offline. Your level of dumbassery is just that damn high.

[–]idapitbwidiuatabip -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

P.S. I'm not an angry person usually, online or offline. Your level of dumbassery is just that damn high.

I haven't said anything incorrect or untrue. I haven't advocated anything outrageous or unhealthy or inhumane. I didn't do anything wrong, either, and I've been perfectly clear and frank and level-headed throughout this thread.

You're just being rude and angry and unpleasant for no reason whatsoever.

Wonderful personality traits to have.

[–]idapitbwidiuatabip -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Damn dude are you seriously this dumb or are your social communication skills caught in some drunken whirlpool? I'm a fan of intermittent fasting as well btw, but what the hell are you talking about?

It was a 2-sentence comment. Why are you angry?

Did you hear a topic encapsulating a certain message, strip that message aside, reduce it to the interpretation that fits some ancillary topic that has absolutely no relevance to the topic at hand, just so you can tell some people online about your revolutionary new knowledge?

It's an open forum, I'm well within my rights to post something that's not 100% on-topic. There's no rule that every comment must be 100% on-topic and reference the article. I made it very clear in subsequent comments that I wasn't talking about the article.

These are seniors. Are you suggesting IF to 65+ years old?

You just responded to my comment saying that wasn't my intention. Did you have trouble reading that portion of the comment? Again -- you're being angry for no reason and it's preventing you from being intelligent about this.

The obvious message was a lack of funds for eating, but what now... you expect them to get a gym membership, practice HIIT, and uh.. eat 1-2 meals in the 8 hours usually prescribed by Intermittent Fasting proponents?

Again, you just responded to a comment of mine that says I wasn't referencing the article or that person's specific situation or trying to say it was alright.

You should read comments before responding to them.

Seriously, you win the reddit dumbass of the month award. Monthly quota already filled, and it's been past a week of June. Congrats.

This is you.

Very childish and undisciplined of you to get so angry about absolutely nothing. Entertaining for me, though, so thanks for that.

[–]velders01 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

No, seriously, post your knowledge on /r/fitness or /r/nutrition.

You're posting a bunch of nonsense. At least post the nonsense in the appropriate subreddit.

And I know you weren't referencing the article. Perhaps you should read comments before responding to them too. I, like some of the other commenters here, don't appreciate you injecting random nonsense.

Perhaps you can use your vast reading comprehension skills and take note of Rule #4 to not post anything unrelated to basic income.

More than that though, as a fitness and nutrition enthusiast, it's been awhile since I've encountered someone online pushing such a worthless routine. 5-6K daily calories is A-OK if you're on a certain diet? For who? Ronnie Coleman?

Apologies to everyone in this subreddit for the unwelcome tangent. This person just stinks of snake oil.

Yeah, I'm done with you. Send me a link though once you decide to post your knowledge on the appropriate subreddit.

[–]idapitbwidiuatabip -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

No, seriously, post your knowledge on /r/fitness or /r/nutrition.

No interest in doing that. I research things for myself and live my life the way I want, and my past several doctor's visits show that I'm making the right choices.

Unlike you, I'm not interested and I don't need the validation of Internet strangers.

And I know you weren't referencing the article.

Yet you accused me of saying these Wisconsin seniors should do IF. You clearly didn't know. Or, rather, you did, but you're so childishly and laughably angry that you couldn't stop yourself.

Perhaps you should read comments before responding to them too. I, like some of the other commenters here, don't appreciate you injecting random nonsense.

It's not random. Eat once a day rather than three times a day and you'll save plenty of money. It's somewhat related -- not 100% related, but there's no rule saying every comment should be.

Perhaps you can use your vast reading comprehension skills and take note of Rule #4 to not post anything unrelated to basic income.

That's about submissions, not comments.

More than that though, as a fitness and nutrition enthusiast, it's been awhile since I've encountered someone online pushing such a worthless routine. 5-6K daily calories is A-OK if you're on a certain diet? For who? Ronnie Coleman?

Google it. You'll find plenty of people keeping accurate logs with all of the info you're requesting of me, but I don't have on-hand because I did keto years ago.

The information is out there, but you're not interested in it. You're just interested in being angry.

Apologies to everyone in this subreddit for the unwelcome tangent. This person just stinks of snake oil.

I'm not advocating anything. I just pointed out some information that people can choose to investigate or not. You're the one who's threatened by it for some bizarre reason.

Yeah, I'm done with you. Send me a link though once you decide to post your knowledge on the appropriate subreddit.

No need -- I haven't said anything wrong here or untrue. I'm not making blanket statements -- I was only talking about my personal experience. Because ultimately, diet is a personal choice.

So mind your own business and stop getting angry about someone else's personal choices.

[–]velders01 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ever wonder why 99% of your comment history is filled with defending yourself from other people's criticism of your logic or ideas? Jesus, I couldn't find one comment in 4 pages where you just said "good job," or "that's awesome."

Have you ever considered that perhaps your approach is wrong or overtly caustic?

Anyway, I'm sure you live a fulfilled life. Good luck to you.

[–]idapitbwidiuatabip -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ever wonder why 99% of your comment history is filled with defending yourself from other people's criticism of your logic or ideas?

That's not true at all.

Jesus, I couldn't find one comment in 4 pages where you just said "good job," or "that's awesome."

You've only looked through 4 pages of over a year and a half of Reddit comments. Not even close to 99% -- just a fraction of my interaction, actually.

And you act like people disagreeing with me makes me wrong. I'm talking about what I've lived through and the eating habits I practice -- I'm not wrong, I'm telling you how I live.

Have you ever considered that perhaps your approach is wrong or overtly caustic?

Said the petulant child who initiated his conversation with me with "you win the reddit dumbass of the month award.", went on to say "Let me guess? You don't have many friends irl." and demand detailed figures on me and my figure, and has done nothing but make assumptions and be an angry and unpleasant tool.

Anyway, I'm sure you live a fulfilled life. Good luck to you.

Still living it, and loving it. You'll need the luck more, because you have some serious issues both with anger and social interaction.

[–]luxybug 10ポイント11ポイント  (12子コメント)

So just gotta eat 10 packages of Ramen at 188 calories per day and you're golden! Fit as a fiddle.

[–]idapitbwidiuatabip -5ポイント-4ポイント  (11子コメント)

Obviously not. That's ridiculously ineffective.

Protein & fat are what you should prioritize if you're only eating once a day. Root vegetables are cheap as hell. Fruit with fiber is good as well although that's not 100% necessary and can be a money sink due to unreliable quality.

Also it's more than calories in and out. If you're eating the right things then you can eat several thousand calories a day and be just fine. But this idea that you need to eat 3 times a day isn't science and to suggest that only eating once a day is unhealthy or inhumane is an oversimplification.

It's just tradition. And, of course, the enormously lucrative breakfast food industry built on the back of America's subsidized wheat farms.

[–]42fortytwo42 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

does this still apply to elderly people though? different groups have different needs, surely? you'd never say it's healthy for babies or young kids to eat once per day, aren't elderly people at risk of fainting etc without regular, spaced out meals? or is this just an incorrect assumption?

[–]idapitbwidiuatabip -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

you'd never say it's healthy for babies or young kids to eat once per day,

They're growing. Obviously they need more to grow. But adults don't really. And it's not like once you get to a certain age, you revert to your infant/child food needs.

~1500 calories of nutrition every 16-22 hours and adults (EDIT: healthy adults) will be fine. But depending how much fat you have stored, you can fast even longer.

I do 36 hour fasts once or twice a week.

[–]42fortytwo42 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

that's interesting, it's strange how many beliefs are shaped by business agendas. thanks :)

[–]idapitbwidiuatabip 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for being pleasant and reasonable in this thread -- many were unable to do the same.

[–]idapitbwidiuatabip -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You should check out The Perfect Human Diet and Fat Head

They're both interesting food-related documentaries relating to how the government and the lobbies that influenced government at certain points in time influenced what was considered 'healthy' or 'good.'

Another interesting documentary with similar themes is Doctored -- although that concerns healthcare more so than nutrition -- particularly chiropractors.

But yeah, love fasting -- for weight loss, it's the absolute best solution I've found. I've always struggled with a healthy relationship with food but now I look forward to both eating and fasting.

It's a wonderful lifestyle.

[–]bluemoonrune 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Also it's more than calories in and out. If you're eating the right things then you can eat several thousand calories a day and be just fine.

No. If you eat over your caloric maintenance, you will gain weight. It doesn't matter what kind of food it is. (Of course, that's not the problem that these seniors are facing, but it's still bad science to suggest that overeating is healthy as long as it's the 'right' kind of food.)

[–]idapitbwidiuatabip -5ポイント-4ポイント  (4子コメント)

That's not true at all.

Check out /r/keto -- I did it for 6 months and was eating 5k-6k calories a day and I lost 50 pounds. Check YouTube and you'll find people chronicling their diets when they're eating even more than that.

On certain diets, calories don't matter.

And when you're weight training, shit's crazy. I know weight trainers who get in 150 grams of protein every day.

[–]bluemoonrune 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't want to check out /r/keto. I'm perfectly aware of what /r/keto is and I'm not interested. If you eat over your caloric maintenance (this includes the calories that go towards rebuilding muscle) then you will gain weight. If you eat a high-fat diet and you go over your caloric maintenance, you will gain weight. If you eat seven thousand calories of lentils, you will gain weight.

Yes, there are limits on how many calories the human body can absorb, and some calories will end up as waste (fat-blockers like Alli prevent fat from being absorbed, causing diarrhoea as a side effect). Yes, weight training burns additional calories. But people lose weight on keto because it tricks their bodies into feeling fuller on fewer calories, not because they're somehow magically immune to the laws of thermodynamics.

Also, as has been pointed out, keto-evangelising has literally nothing to do with this post. This is why people don't like /r/keto-ers. It's not that we haven't heard The Good News About Fat; it's that we aren't interested.

[–]idapitbwidiuatabip -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't want to check out /r/keto. I'm perfectly aware of what /r/keto is and I'm not interested. If you eat over your caloric maintenance (this includes the calories that go towards rebuilding muscle) then you will gain weight. If you eat a high-fat diet and you go over your caloric maintenance, you will gain weight. If you eat seven thousand calories of lentils, you will gain weight.

Except I did all those things and I didn't gain weight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smPVh4vg66M

But people lose weight on keto because it tricks their bodies into feeling fuller on fewer calories, not because they're somehow magically immune to the laws of thermodynamics.

That makes no sense. The standard keto meal has meat and cheese as core components. 'Fewer calories?' Dude -- reality is reality. For months, I ate over 3,000 calories a day (shitloads of avocado) and I lost weight. Wasn't even working out, either.

Also, as has been pointed out, keto-evangelising has literally nothing to do with this post. This is why people don't like /r/keto-ers.

Your comments compelled me to bring up /r/keto -- I didn't come into the thread mentioning it and I don't even practice it anymore. My original comment (which doesn't have to be 100% on topic) was just an innocuous FYI to start a new thread.

That actually is relevant because around 8 months ago I switched from 3 meals a day to 1-2 meals a day (usually 1) and it's been a lot cheaper.

Why are you so angry, dude? Calm down.

[–]bluemoonrune 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not a dude, and I'm not interested in broscience.

[–]idapitbwidiuatabip -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not broscience. It's just science. And fact -- I lost those 50 pounds consuming those excess calories.

And regardless of your gender, you aren't thinking intelligently about this. If you read some, watch some documentaries, just Google the subject with an open mind, you'll see.

But if you just keep projecting what you 'know' rather than taking the opportunity to learn something new.

[–]v_snax 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

First of all, 1200 kcal is just the limit for definition of starving. A male needs double that to be energy neutral. Second, 1200 kcal in one sitting is an siezable amount of food. And I somewhat doubt thats the kind of portions we are talking about here.

You are right, one doesn't have to eat a set number of times per day. But if you don't, it is questionable that a normal person is gonna get all the nutrients that he/she needs.

[–]trentsgir 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The number of kcal you need each day really depends on your size and level of activity. 1200 might be starving if you're 6'5" and working in construction, but it's reasonable if you're 5'0" and sedentary.

[–]WizardofStaz$20K US UBI 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Friend you are incredibly out of touch. Do you know anything about old people? Getting enough calories is typically a HUGE problem for them. These are not people who would eat and keep down 1500 calories in one sitting. Why do you think Ensure is a thing?

[–]ItsDieselTime 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Here's to missing the point entirely http://i.imgur.com/tyTc1Nl.jpg

[–]idapitbwidiuatabip -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

I wasn't saying anything about the seniors in the article. I didn't even read it.

I just know that many people automatically assume that only eating once a day is unhealthy -- so I saw an opportunity to just mention it. Well within my rights to do so.

It was just a general FYI that addresses a common misconception. I have no interest in reading about a bunch of seniors suffering States away when they're the ones who elected their representatives and I wasn't talking about that.

It was just a general comment. A side note. Why is everyone getting up in arms about it? Odd how protective people are about their dietary habits.

Just eat what fuels you in a way that fuels you best. Different strokes for different folks.

[–]ItsDieselTime 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Because you're comment is largely irrelevant in the discussion that we're having in this thread. Yes, it's true you can eat once a day with sufficient nutrition and be fine. But why did you feel the need to express this in a thread in a sub about an article that is clearly about a different issue altogether - people cannot afford enough food, period. You've latched onto the phrase "eating once a day", completely turned in on it's head and derailed the thread. You even say you didn't read the article - why even comment then?

[–]idapitbwidiuatabip -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Because you're comment is largely irrelevant in the discussion that we're having in this thread.

Not entirely -- I switched from 3 meals to 1-2 meals (usually just 1 every 18-22 hours) months ago and have seen huge savings. Economically, it's been a good decision for me. So it's somewhat relevant.

But why did you feel the need to express this in a thread in a sub about an article that is clearly about a different issue altogether - people cannot afford enough food, period. You've latched onto the phrase "eating once a day", completely turned in on it's head and derailed the thread.

Having another thread about another subject in no way prevents people from discussing the article. There's nothing to derail. There's no damage done by having another comment even if it's about something different.

And it's sad and childish that you get mad and downvote people for shit like this.

The actual article doesn't really need to be discussed. Nobody wants old people to be going hungry, but they've been voting for decades. We all know UBI would help -- this post is just one of the countless every week that goes into the 'resons for UBI' column.

It's no great sin to have an ancillary thread about a different subject. And you act like it was all me. My initial comment was very short, just 2 sentences. The 'derailing' you're speaking of was largely due to multiple people accosting me and refusing to investigate something they clearly didn't know about before this thread.

You even say you didn't read the article - why even comment then?

Because it was an opportunity to mention something that interests me and address a common misconception. I didn't expect to encounter such militant closed-mindedness in /r/basicincome. I assumed this was an adult subreddit and people could handle a comment that was tantamount to a factoid underneath a Snapple cap.

[–]ItsDieselTime 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well you're entitled to your opinions of course, but the way you've managed to insult everyone who replied to you in disagreement tells a lot about your person. Are you one of those people who spread the enlightenment of whatever thing they've picked up whenever possible without regard of its appropriateness?

[–]idapitbwidiuatabip -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well you're entitled to your opinions of course, but the way you've managed to insult everyone who replied to you in disagreement tells a lot about your person.

I haven't insulted anyone, and you don't know anything about me.

Are you one of those people who spread the enlightenment of whatever thing they've picked up whenever possible without regard of its appropriateness?

It was perfectly appropriate, and I wasn't replying to anyone's comment so I wasn't required to be 'on topic' in any way, shape, or form.

Are you one of those people who gets irrationally angry over someone else posting innocuous comments on the Internet? What business is it of yours how I comment in this thread? What regard are you giving to the 'appropriateness' of butting in when you have nothing to say whatsoever?

[–]ThanatosNow[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wow, lots of downvotes.

You're at 1 comment karma, calm down. Your life will go on whether you have 20 or -63.