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She initiated sex with me when I couldn’t consent, expelled student claims (thecollegefix.com)

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[–]jpe77 79ポイント80ポイント  (7子コメント)

So, looking at the complaint, it seems clear that she was the rapist. She went over to the room of someone that was blackout drunk and engaged in sexual activity with him.

During the disciplinary hearings, there was no dispute over that; how in the hell did that not result in expulsion of the complainant?

[–]worksafemonkey 44ポイント45ポイント  (0子コメント)

A lot of the authorities involved are extremely sexist.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 68ポイント69ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because these rules are intended to expel men, not women.

[–]GimletOnTheRocks [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yep, seems like a blatant Title IX violation.

[–]Lawtonfogle 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

how in the hell did that not result in expulsion of the complainant?

She went over to the room of someone that was blackout drunk and engaged in sexual activity with him.

The rules were always meant to be used against men only. They can't clearly state it anymore in the rules, but they will ensure it still works that way.

[–]Dame_Juden_Dench [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

how in the hell did that not result in expulsion of the complainant?

She's a woman

[–]roadrunnermeepbeep3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because she's a girl, silly. Campus rape rules aren't designed to punish girls. They're designed to empower girls by destroying men, since girls are too weak to do this themselves.

[–]FascistAsparagus 133ポイント134ポイント  (72子コメント)

Think about how fundamentally evil the college "investigators" have to be to suppress text messages in which the false rape accusers admit to consensual sex. We're talking about people who know the rape story is made up and choose to expel the guys anyway. This cannot be explained by mere incompetence; it is a deep hatred of all male sexuality.

[–]untipoquenojuega [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Fuck all this. And then vice goes and makes an episode where they literally only look at it from one point of view, which of course is only from the female perspective. Not one guy interviewed.

[–]swingmymallet 28ポイント29ポイント  (66子コメント)

They breed hate for white men in universities now. There are classes on why men are evil. I shit you not.

If they switched "white men" with "Jews" in universities, you'd have fucking "the Jewish peril"

[–]jpe77 34ポイント35ポイント  (34子コメント)

This guy was black Asian.

[–]Designer94 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

In a collegiate setting, even worse.

[–]mybowlofchips [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Don't you know, Asians are schrodingers whites.

[–]Lawtonfogle 1ポイント2ポイント  (26子コメント)

The sexism is strong enough to override racism. Look at all the figures people use to show how racist society is (for example, prison population per capita) and instead break it down by sex. The discrimination is even greater, but people don't talk about it.

[–]_transatlantique 13ポイント14ポイント  (8子コメント)

Got an example of one? I took 10+ women's and gender studies courses over the course of my degree and what I remember is discussion on how men are subject to being pigeonholed into their own gender norms (being tough, breadwinner, etc) and how this is as equally not okay as the idea that women belong at home cooking and cleaning. I'm oversimplifying this quite a bit but the only "man hating" was in analyzing radical feminist texts and discussion on how this is just as bad as women hating and shit like the red pill. In fact every course I took had the disclaimer attached that this was NOT a course about man hating. Mind you, all of this was taken at two separate universities.

So I'm really curious as to where these courses exist.

[–]reddbullish 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Interesting feedback.

Approximately when did you take these courses?

Also may I ask why you took them?

[–]Xelcho -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good to see you're are being down voted for asking meaningful questions, typical of Redditors.

[–]snoop_Odin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm guessing 10 years ago. Because of white male guilt

[–]MyBiologicalRomance [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The professors of that class probably don't make discipline decisions.

[–]swingmymallet 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

We can start with this http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/14/gender-studies-male-blaming-bias

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11451778

http://www.avoiceformalestudents.com/no-yvette-cooper-teaching-misandry-in-british-schools-will-not-solve-teens-problems/

[–]joe_navark 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The courses may say one thing, but the disciplinary process communicates a very clear, different message

[–]Lawtonfogle -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

In fact every course I took had the disclaimer attached that this was NOT a course about man hating.

Note that the following course is not about racism. We will be looking into how black culture results in extreme amount of interracial and intraracial violence by blacks. We will also be examining their much higher rates of welfare use and single parenthood and their overall lower performances in the work place as a result of their cultural problems. Please remember, this class is not about being racist towards those we are studying.

Add in a professor who is racist and you see how having the disclaimer on further shows just how bad those classes were (well except for those blind to the agenda, but then most racists don't think themselves such).

[–]daprospecta [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Somethings are racially motivated, this is not one of them. Any guy would have had the same outcome regardless of race.

[–]ffxivfunk [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Hyperbole much? I'm sure the entire university system hasn't become a giant prejudice machine.

[–]Htetleak [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And feminists are for equality for men and women too!</s>

[–]MikeBrownsMama -5ポイント-4ポイント  (17子コメント)

What the hell does 'fucking the jewish peril' mean?

[–]swingmymallet 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

Google "the Jewish peril" it was anti Semitic propaganda about how the Jews want to secretly control the world

[–]MikeBrownsMama -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ahh. Okay. I remember actually seeing some old newsreel footage of that.

So what constitutes 'fucking the jewish peril'?

[–]detourne 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

op is using fucking as an adjective for emphasis. usually the adjective would go between the article (the) and the noun phrase(Jewish Peril), but because the concept of "the Jewish Peril" goes together well op placed the adjective in front of it.

[–]robo4536 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

fucking "the Jewish peril"

Learn how quotes work.

[–]FascistAsparagus -4ポイント-3ポイント  (12子コメント)

Shoah / Holocaust / the general tendency of every country to expel Jews about forty to a hundred years after they move in.

[–]mybowlofchips [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Have you ever stopped to ask why it is that jews are kicked out of every country that takes them in?

[–]MikeBrownsMama -5ポイント-4ポイント  (8子コメント)

the general tendency of every country to expel Jews about forty to a hundred years after they move in.

I have not heard of this before. So, in this context, 'the jewish peril' is some characteristics attached to jews, that are perceived as detrimental to a hosting country. And 'fucking the jewish peril' is the tendency of those countries to expel the jews.

Is that right? I'm asking this seriously.

[–]mathurin1911 38ポイント39ポイント  (7子コメント)

Ultimately, this kind of situation is why universities shouldnt be investigating sexual assult, its simply never been their job, bring in the real cops and stay out of their way.

[–]leedsimpson 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

Just out of interest, why on Earth isn't it reported to the police? Over here in Britain it would, and has, in a heartbeat.

 

Why would you outsource your investigation to a bunch of civilians that basically amount to private investigators when you have a warranted, trained bunch of detectives available (feelings on the Police aside).

 

What the hell does a University know about investigating crime? And what gives it the right the define sexual assault/rape in any other terms than the ones set out by US law?

[–]m1sterlurk [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

This happens for two reasons, both of which are nefarious.

In your more left-leaning areas, reporting rapes and sexual assaults to the campus means that the campus can take some kind of action even if the evidence isn't fully there. The mindset is "better to falsely remove somebody innocent from campus than to let a rapist rape multiple victims"...which is kind of shitty.

In more right-leaning areas, rapes are reported the campus so they can promptly be "investigated" (by which I mean swept under the rug so Billy Bob's daddy doesn't quit giving money to the school).

Both of these problems can be evaded by saying screw the school and going to the real police.

[–]bdmflyer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The mindset is "better to falsely remove somebody innocent from campus than to let a rapist rape multiple victims"...which is kind of shitty.

There's a large cross-section of people who believe when there's a female victim that it's better to let 10 innocent men get punished than one guilty go free, but believe the death penalty and searching for welfare fraud is wrong because they'd rather 10 guilty people go free than 1 innocent person get punished.

That takes some serious mental gymnastics, especially in an academic environment.

[–]ghotier [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That is a pretty gross generalization. It has nothing to do with the politics of the area and I'd be shocked if you had any evidence to suggest that it did.

[–]t-poke [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just out of interest, why on Earth isn't it reported to the police? Over here in Britain it would, and has, in a heartbeat.

Rape is very difficult to prosecute. It's a lot of he-said, she-said and the burden of proof is very high (beyond a reasonable doubt). Plus, a trial can be a long, drawn out process forcing the victim to re-live the experience several times, in front of detectives, prosecutors, the courtroom, etc. And after all that, the accused may be found not guilty because there wasn't enough proof of assault.

Colleges don't have to meet the same burden of proof to expel someone for sexual misconduct. They can hold a quick hearing and with little proof, determine if the accused is guilty and hand down punishment. So victims feel that if they want to see any kind of justice, they need to report through the school instead of police.

[–]Thekilane [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The easy answer is that it depends on who the victim reports to. If they report to the police, then the police investigate. If they don't, the university may take their own actions.

[–]Rosie-44 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well that's a kafkaesque story. I hope he wins and takes them for a fortune.

[–]worksafemonkey 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same. No amount of money they can give him will make up for what they've done. But it has to be something and I hope with everything in me it's a shocking amount of money.

[–]cryptovariable [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He was raped and that is not his fault, but it is his responsibility to protect his safety and well-being and he failed at that, as do females constantly.

If students stopped getting blackout drunk and/or trying to bang everything that moves there would be no campus rape, or it would be so rare that every single incident would be national news.

But expecting 18+ year olds, who would insist up and down that they are big boy and girl adults to have even a single measly ounce of self control and discretion makes someone literally worse than a baby-raping Hitler.

Cryptovariable's 100% foolproof and unassailably effective two step plan for the nearly total elimination of campus rape:

  1. Act like the adult you are pretending to be and stop drinking so god damned much you fucking childish loser.
  2. There is no step two, this is called a two-step plan because people don't trust one step plans.

And no, this isn't "blaming the victim" any more than telling someone who has stabbed himself in the face after juggling knives that "maybe you shouldn't juggle knives if you don't want to get stabbed in the face" is victim blaming.

[–]reddbullish 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

It would suck to be a male college student today .

You are just a target waiting for your arrow to hit.

[–]AsteRISQUE 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Being gay is the only way to play.

[–]GrossoGGO [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If it were two men involved in such an incident both would have just been expelled.

[–]2PcDrtyRice 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Men its time to get this For real. Protect yourself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo4568PIRnk

[–]Teb-Tenggeri 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I come from a long line of lawyers, and am pre-law myself. I read this article over thoroughly and cannot understand the grounds on which this man was expelled. Absolutely inexcusable conduct by the university, and by the terror they call Jones. I hope the man gets the recompense he deserves.

[–]cwm44 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

and by the terror they call Jones

Is that new or old? It's hilarious, whatever it is. Good on you.

[–]Htetleak [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You assume the university has any desire to actually be fair.

A woman stated a man raped her...that's enough for them, GUILTY.

[–]Teb-Tenggeri [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I've also had the opportunity to be raised by a public defender, and he honestly, truly believes in "innocent until proven guilty." I try and follow that as much as I can, so this kind of stuff just disgusts me

[–]Starmedia11 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

While it seems clear that the man here didn't rape anyone, the girl sure as hell didn't rape him.

We don't know what happened immediatly up to the encounter (I assume the website left it out because it helped the girls cass), but if a woman invited a man over while drunk, had sex with him, then had the wherewithal to "create a cover story" and not report it, it's pretty hard to believe we (as in, people posting here) would consider that rape.

The texts that this website (which is clearly promoting the idea that the guy was "orally raped") gives shows him flirting with her, so we know there was some sexual interest there. We also know she was his girlfriends roomate(who he, again, was open to flirting with). It seems entirely more likely that, while drunk, he cheated on his girlfriend with her roomate and then rebuffed her after the fact. She claimed rape to get back at him (which she should get in trouble for) and he claimed rape as well, despite being (we assume by his own texts) a physically stronger person who invited her over and had previously flirted, NOT claiming rape until he was already in trouble.

[–]irrelevant_spiderman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The texts between her and a different dude? I'm not seeing texts from him.

[–]ambiorickx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just make sure you're never alone in a room with a woman.

[–]Alexi_Bosconovich [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The article even noted very early on “targeted male students of color”. The fact he was a man was secondary, the real motivation here is because he wasn't white, being male didn't help his case but being something other than white is what progressed the case this far to begin with.

[–]maview [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oh how much I care about two dumbass college students doing dumb shit.

Here, let me take 5 minutes out of my life to think about this.