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All of us should make jokes about Ellen Pao until everyone is banned on reddit. (self.CrazyIdeas)

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[–]InternetFunkMachine 137ポイント138ポイント  (28子コメント)

Copying this great comment from another Ellen Pao thread.

Really?

Because unless my eyes are deceiving me, I'm reading posts criticizing her involvement in reddit right now. And in fact do so all the fucking time because reddit won't shut the fuck up about Ellen Pao.

Look what just searching Ellen Pao's name gets you. The idea that they're deleting all posts about her just for being about her is fucking inane. Clearly, that's not the case.

What almost always happens is that these posts are breaking individual subreddit rules by being unabashedly political, inciting witchhunting, or doing any number of things. And the mods delete them.

But jesus fuck, if Ellen Pao actually ruled Reddit with as much of an iron fist as the conspiracy idiots think she did, why the fuck are undelete, conspiracy, KotakuInAction, and the rest even allowed to exist?

[–]protestor 93ポイント94ポイント  (22子コメント)

They are not deleting all posts, but they are deleting most posts that reach the front page (posts, not comments). This is huge.

Note that search finds mostly subreddits that aren't on the front page. /r/modlog, /r/KotakuInAction, /r/undelete.

[–]DigitalChocobo 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's because almost nobody reports anything, so reports generally don't come in until the post gets the massive visibility that comes from being on the front page. Posts tend to get removed immediately by the spam filter, or they get removed when they're near the top of the sub and somebody finally hits the report button. There is very little removal that happens in between.

I have 9 TIL points for reporting bad posts in /r/todayIlearned, and I don't browse that sub. Every single one of those 9 posts that I got removed was a post that made it to the front page by hitting the number one spot in that sub. At least one of those posts, the top comment complained about how the post was wrong and had over 400 upvotes. At least 400 people read that the post was wrong, upvoted the complaint that it was wrong, but couldn't fucking bother to hit the report button. That's why posts (about Ellen Pao or otherwise) don't get removed until they're already on the front page.

[–]baconlover24 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are those 400 people really not reporting it, or are the mods just really slow (or rather not quick enough to keep up with ALL the reporting).

[–]InternetFunkMachine 30ポイント31ポイント  (18子コメント)

Yes, because they almost always break subreddit rules.

There are like five Ellen Pao posts on /r/news right now. Trust me, there is no conspiracy.

Not to mention, we're currently in an Ellen Pao post not from those three subreddits.

[–]Vultatio 44ポイント45ポイント  (12子コメント)

Trust me, there is no conspiracy.

I don't trust you. /u/swagmaster4204204200 is still shadowbanned for this comment that wasn't breaking any subreddit rules at all. And they didn't have any other posts that would get them shadowbanned at the time. It happened RIGHT after he posted that comment in a post questioning the bs 'transparency' self-bragging Reddit was doing.

Plus, shadowbanning someone and then claiming they broke some obscure subreddit rule that you won't actually say what it is is a very convenient excuse. Just saying 'they broke a subreddit rule' means absolutely nothing if the admins won't say what the rule is or why the ban is applicable. Hardly transparent.

On top of which, I did an AMA Request for Ellen Pao and got it deleted by the admins bc I didn't have a way to contact her. Keep in mind that that rule was actually changed after my post. At time time I made the post, it wasn't a requirement to have contact info for a public figure. It said add it if you had it. They deleted my post and changed the rule in the sidebar. That was after it got brigaded with down votes at 2am on a Sunday night. Also, a comment that said I supported ISIS and terrorism was upvoted while all of my comments were buried.

edit: added

[–]ShrimpFood 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

You're guessing he got banned for that... He has literally no idea, and If I had to guess, probably got canned for vote brigading, because the rest of the comments are the exact same fucking sentiment and none of those martyrs died for it.

I like how given the choice between deleting a comment then banning the user, and just banning the user, you think she'd choose the latter. When her goal is censorship.

Never mind your post got deleted by mods not admins. That's a pretty basic part of the site and you'd do well to understand the workings of the site before teaching people about the workings of the site.

[–]Vultatio 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

He has literally no idea

That is the whole point. Until there is some real transparency, there is going to be a lot of people that think shady shit is going on.

You're taking his word that he was banned for that

Also, he doesn't even know why he was shadowbanned. They don't tell you why. They just do it. That is why it is called 'shadowbanning' instead of just 'banning'.

[–]sprajanimal proteins 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

They will tell you why if you ask.

[–]ShrimpFood 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're making valid points. Reddit needs transparency. I agree.

This is not what most people are saying though. For gods sake, the post we're in thinks: insult Pao = ban. There are like 20 different subs documenting her shenanigans, and the only ones I know of that got banned were /r/rapingEllenPao and /r/beatingEllenPao (hmm, i think those might have been breaking some rules)

In controversial cases, reddit should justify their bans (they do often, but not enough, IMO ). But the way some people are acting, the admins owe those people nothing.

Also, generally if you're polite and message the admins they'll tell you why you were banned. I know I got my other account unbanned after accidentally voting in a linked thread.

[–]InternetFunkMachine 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

Really? The reddit admins are going to shadowban the guy with the highest rated comment on their blog post, leave the comment up for all to see, and then do nothing as hundreds of other people repeat his original comment?

That kind of logic is beyond me. I'd have to imagine if the admins really wanted to silence the masses they would not go about it in the most visible, roundabout way possible.

Do you know when they would've shadowbanned him if the admins were censoring reddit? Immediately after he fucking posted it. They would'nt let thousands of people read, upvote, and share his comment. It would've been gone, just like that. And it's not like the admins are required to leave that bullshit [deleted] every time they remove a comment. It's their fucking site. If they decided they didn't want that comment you would never know. Maybe they'd even manually approve comments on their blog posts. Who knows.

But there's been a gigantic fucking backlash which is completely counterintuitive to the bullshit the Ellen Pao hate groups are spilling.

As to your edit: you don't even know the difference between a moderator removing your post or an admin. Why do you think you're even remotely knowledgable about this?

[–]Vultatio 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why do you think you're even remotely knowledgable about this?

No one is knowledgeable about this. That's the whole point. When you go around shadowbanning users and deleting posts and comments for no given reason behind the guise of 'privacy', then there are going to be conspiracy theories.

Despite Reddit's self-bragging about 'transparency', until there actually is any, no one (including you) is going to have any real idea about what's going on. And right now, I don't trust the Reddit admins or Ellen Pao (or you, whoever you are) as far as I would trust Verizon lobbyists.

And it's there own fault for the mystery shadowbans and deletes.

[–]InternetFunkMachine 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe you don't understand what I'm saying here. A reddit moderator removed your IAmA submission, not an admin.

The difference between a moderator and admin is such basic fundamental knowledge about the site that you don't even posess, and yet you think you've nailed down this shadowban conspiracy? No. Perhaps you should lurk more before you jump to these conclusions.

[–]why_rob_y -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

/u/swagmaster4204204200 is still shadowbanned

I would probably shadowban him just for that ridiculous name.

On top of which, I did an AMA Request for Ellen Pao and got it deleted by the admins bc I didn't have a way to contact her.

I'm glad you linked your post. The title is ridiculously obnoxious and inflammatory - I can only imagine what was in the body of the post. Try reposting it nicely and follow any/all rules. I bet it won't get deleted. Also, the mod (not admin) who deleted your post specifically told you how to get it undeleted (by simply adding contact info).

Edit: As I mentioned below, if he actually cared about his AMA request and not just stirring up conspiracy theories, he could have just quickly Googled Ellen Pao's twitter handle (@ekp) like I just did and the moderator would have restored the post (just like the moderator told him!).

This is a classic case of making a big deal out of nothing. And also, the part about the other guy's username was obviously a joke.

[–]Vultatio -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

So you're saying he should be shadowbanned bc of his name and I deserved to have my post deleted bc I wasn't polite enough? Wow, sounds like a very open, transparent site.

And I did follow the rules. The contact info wasn't a rule, but a suggestion. It used to say 'Add contact info for public info if you have it'. I didn't have it. They changed the wording after my post to require it.

[–]why_rob_y 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why didn't you simply add some contact info to get it undeleted if it was an important issue for you? I just got her Twitter handle from one simple Google search (like you could have done) - @ekp

So you're saying he should be shadowbanned bc of his name and I deserved to have my post deleted bc I wasn't polite enough?

I think you're missing a joke here. I was just taking a stab at his username and about how douchey your post was. I'm obviously not empowered to police your posts (or his username).

[–]Dlgredael 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your post was ridiculous and biased and deserved to be deleted for being worded the way it was.

[–]LiterallyKesha -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Admins haven't revealed shadowban reasons openly before. Swagmaster most likely broke an actual rule right after making that comment to ensure that they would get banned because nobody else that is only talking about Ellen is getting banned either. We have no indication that they were shadowbanned for that particular comment. The AMA was removed because you broke the rules. You didn't include a way to contact them AND IT WAS REMOVED BY A MOD NOT AN ADMIN. The fact that you don't even know that says a lot about your knowledge of reddit. There are plenty of POPULAR submission regarding Ellen that haven't been deleted. This is just a conspiracy.

I wish you guys would quit misleading new users with this crap.

[–]Poopy_Pants_Fan 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

If I didn't already think redditors were being unreasonable and overdramatic about this, seeing that they're downvoting and trying to hide comments like yours would have convinced me.

[–]GG_Meow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are like five Ellen Pao posts on /r/news right now. Trust me, there is no conspiracy.

There's also posts that have been deleted from default subs listed here from the Undelte subs. The smaller subs like Conspiracy, KotakuInAction and others are containment subs, and not exposed to a lot of people.

And not only that, but now Ellen Pao is CEO, Reddit has decided that Reddit should be a "Safe Space". The only time I've heard that term is from whacky feminists who think opinions other than their own are not safe. If you want a safe space on Reddit, create your own sub, make it private and invite people on a basis of vetting their comment history.

It's incredible to me how people are trying to sweep this under the carpet as some sort of paranoid conspiracy. This women has clearly tried to collect millions of dollars in false sexism allegations because her husband (who used to be gay) is knee deep in fraud, to the tune of $100's of millions of dollars.

Heres an article where it's stated she was suing Kleiner Perkins for $144 million in damages.

Heres an article saying Ellen's (gay) husband is up to his eyeballs in tax liens and court judgements for (guess what?) just over $140 million and $2.7 million in legal fees

And here's the latest about Ellen Pao asking for (OMG) $2.7 million from Kleiner Perkins to not appeal

So, Buddy Fletcher is knee deep in shit for over $140 million, plus $2.7 million in legal fees. Elen Pao files a sexism lawsuit, and asks for $144 million, and now $2.7 million for Kleiner Perkins to not appeal. It's immediately clear that Ellen Pao is trying to extort money from Kleiner Perkins, because her husband stole $100's of millions of dollars from people's pensions funds.

People are obviously angry and worried because this person has shown to not be trust worthy, people have testified how horrible she is, and her husband (and maybe her) will most likely be investigated for major fraud. Considering what happened to the last company she worked for — and what happened there — people have got a right to voice concerns, make crass jokes, satirical cartoons, and anything else that falls under Reddit's rules.

I like this site, and for the most part, I like the people and the discussions. I'm sure other people feel the same way and don't want to see it on the scrap heap because of one person, and other people with the same kind of ideology.

[–]sprajanimal proteins 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

this is huge

No it isn't.

[–]IIIISuperDudeIIII 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or /r/coontown or /r/TheRedPill for that matter?

[–]hablomuchoingles 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can't tell if it's supposed to be insane, or if inane makes sense there...Ugh! This is messing with my inanity!

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[–]Skizm 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I assume she just deletes the popular posts. Also a good amount of those are on /r/undelete haha

[–]smacksaw -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I sift through a lot of garbage in /r/uncensorship and 99.999% deserves to be downvoted, modded out etc.

The crap people are saying about her is stupid and it's why it gets banned. There are people who can't differentiate between their opinion that she is a an Illuminati Bilderberg Lizard People SJW and the complexity of the lawsuit. They believe all discussion deserves equal footing and consideration. It doesn't. We shouldn't suffer fools equally to the wise or rational.