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[–]One_friendship_plz 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

When's the last time you met a woman who chose to have a child? As soon as vasalgel comes in, birth rates are going to be worse than japan by far and promiscuity is going to escalate to ridiculous levels.

It was the lack of birth control and consequences to sex that made people monogamous. Get put to death for being unfaithful thanks to religion, or just outcasted.

[–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

This was my experience during my youth, but at around 27 I started to see that girls my age were having a sharp uptick in the amount of babies they want to have.

So much so that at near 30, I won't date a girl over 27.

[–]RedPillProphet 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I haven't dated anyone over the age of 25... No one wants to have children that early. I am sure in a few years that would change. Every single girl I have met wanted to have kids at some point.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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  • Wide is the gate that leads to extinction.

  • Narrow is the gate that leads to life.

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The tendency towards behaviors that bring about extinction has been with us since the beginning of time. Certain thoughts bring forth life. Other thoughts provide great pleasures but are Fertility Negative in the long run.

And if you get really abstract and generalize what the narrow gate represents then you invent a cult that eventually becomes a religion which eventually becomes overly literal and people become pompous intellections who end up going through the wide gate anyway.

This is called "human nature".

[–]Victoria_Lucas 7ポイント8ポイント  (20子コメント)

Get a vasectomy. I had one and it was the best decision I've ever made.

[–]foreverthinking 10ポイント11ポイント  (13子コメント)

What if you want children in the future?

[–]Victoria_Lucas 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I never wanted any, man. I've known my whole life and I still know that today.

[–]fight-the-beard 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

He probably thought about it quite a bit before doing it, or so i hope

[–]foreverthinking 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

In 20 years he will not be the exact same person that he is now. His priorities may change. Perhaps he may hit the male wall and decide that raising children and watching them grow up will be a more fulfilling and joyful pursuit.

[–]MicroMinion 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I believe vasectomies can still be undone by another operation right?

[–]Elodrian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't count on it as a backup plan. If you are thinking about vasectomy, consider it permanent.

[–]1exit_sandman -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

As far as I know, they can.

[–]Syberr 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

with a meagre chance of success, lower with each year passed since the original vasectomy

[–]Elodrian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everyone always jumps to this vaguely condescending question; as though someone does this kind of thing impulsively. If someone announced "my girlfriend is pregnant", would your first question be "what if you don't want children in the future?". And keep in mind, getting a girl pregnant is a decision people are much more likely to take impulsively.

[–]IceBunz 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Just use a fuckin condom and some spermicides or whatever they're called if you don't want children incase you want some later on, never let the chick be in charge of bringing the condoms etc and make sure she can't stick that shit back into her vagina after you've left

[–]joshsoowong 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

Flush the used condom down the toilet

[–]ilikeurbootyimnotgay 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ahh man don't do that, super bad for your plumbing system.

[–]unassumingusername7 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sperm lives a few minutes outside the body. No need to be that paranoid. Ilikeurbooty is right, too. It'll totally clog your plumbing after awhile.

[–]IceBunz -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have no idea why the hell I didn't think of that

[–]chadeusmaximus 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your text reads like a college textbook. Not sure if that's good or bad...

[–]qdegtjul 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

It is mandated by law that a son must see his parents once a week; daughters are not under a similar obligation.

Yet many families have a son and then have a daughter and pay the second child fine. From that we can deduce that social security isn't the only reason they chose to have children.

Family more often than not does not help a man mature.

This notion of maturing annoys me, there is no objective metric for "mature" and the whole dumb obsession about being mature and dreading being called a boy stems from how the feminists attack people for being immature when they are bothered by their partner count or refuse to have children with them. You're attacking the logic of being mature through having children instead of attacking the idea of being mature itself. Why would one chose to be mature if one can be happy or fulfilled instead?

explored and given himself the gift of finding out who he is

Another dumb idea, you don't find out who you are, you decide who you are through the choices you make and then you make peace with it. The whole find out who you are is the lie women tell themselves as they ride the CC or people in general when they behave in ways that are detrimental to them.

Due to their egocentricism, which is a normal psychological stage in their development

In the modern "every child is precious, special and deserves a medal" times it may appear to be normal. When I think back to elementary and high school there were on average 2 or 3 egocentrics in the class and that was because we were told we were better than the rest and the rest were told to look up to us.

these children come to believe that they don't deserve their parents' love and time

I believe that happens mostly in the lower class, not the middle or upper ones. And those are the people that usually have the most children despite not having time or money for them.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yet many families have a son and then have a daughter and pay the second child fine. From that we can deduce that social security isn't the only reason they chose to have children.

The point is that more is expected from a son than a daughter. It's pretty rudimentary in TRP that men have to be more objectively valuable to be valued as a much as a woman who simply exists. Women, stay thin and don't binge eat! Men, you need to hit the gym for a year. You get my drift.

Eggs more valuable than sperm. Wombs are the bottleneck on reproduction. And as men also have a higher libido than women, pussy is more valuable than cock.

Anyway, I feel I'm missing the point slightly so I'll add this: parents expect their sons to be more successful than their daughters, girls just have to marry well and not be sluts (and if they fail at this, as many do, they are rarely ostracised anyway.) Sons have gotta earn big bucks, look after everyone and blah blah.

This notion of maturing annoys me, there is no objective metric for "mature"

This is plain retarded. Maturity is observed physically from height/muscle growth. Mentally it is observed through the acquisition of wisdom, thoughtfulness and diligent behaviour. If you say maturity is stupid or simply doesn't exist because you have no objective metric for it, you may as well say the same about most other things which are cognitive, and thus, unseeable. I'm sure some clever scientist out there is able to see the difference between a mature and immature person's brain structure in an MRI if they really tried. There's the "objective metric" for you. A lack of such a thing is not proof that it doesn't exist anyway. I'm pretty sure most societies across the world fundamentally agree that maturity exists as a mental construct.

A mature person is someone with profound insight and who is not afraid to take responsibility for their own actions. An immature person says things like "the notion of maturity annoys me." A mature person would feel no need to be annoyed or offended by the concept of maturity.

Yes, feminists bastardise the concept of maturity to call every man a boy, whereas all women are women regardless of how bottom of the bucket they are, but that's a separate issue. That's about how standards of masculinity are higher than standards of femininity (thanks feminism,) and how women use shaming language to manipulate man's behaviour. It doesn't mean maturity doesn't exist, but the concept is abused by women. A LOT. AND THAT is what is annoying. Not so much having to grow up and realise life isn't just one big party.

Also, just because you are mature, it doesn't mean you need to be serious all the time, be a prude, and have no fun. It means when shit hits the fan, you can handle it. If you want to "GET SO STEWPID DUMB BRAH LOL CHUCK ME A JAGER IMMA TWERK" then you can do that shit on the weekend. Nobody is stopping you. The immature person is the person who is only about fun, is a dumb fuck AND HAS NOTHING ELSE ABOUT THEM. So that's most women, and many guys.

I believe that happens mostly in the lower class, not the middle or upper ones. And those are the people that usually have the most children despite not having time or money for them.

Tell that to all the neglected rich kids whose parents left them with the nanny. This isn't an issue of class, it's an issue of narcissism. If you're raised by narcissists, you will never feel loved. They are in every class. It's not a "poor people are shitty people" kind of thing. Not all poor people are hoodrats or trailer trash, just like not all rich people are corporate psychopaths.

[–]qdegtjul 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

The thing about kids in China point was that his opinion seems to be that having kids there is primarily utilitarian, if that was the case and I was Chinese I'd have two sons instead of a son and a daughter.

And what I was aiming with that maturity thing is that this guy is using maturity as a desirable outcome and hinting not having kids is the way to obtain it. It annoys me because every time someone says mature people do this or that it's because they have a desired outcome and they're powertalking you into the "If I do this I'm mature" thinking. The feminists want beta bucks and they use "be more mature" to achieve it, this guy is selling MGTOW and is using "be more mature" to sell it and it annoys me.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

It annoys me because every time someone says mature people do this or that it's because they have a desired outcome and they're powertalking you into the "If I do this I'm mature" thinking. The feminists want beta bucks and they use "be more mature" to achieve it

Yeah, I hate that shit too. If you're at the level where you can see this for what it is (and it sounds like you are) then it's nothing other than another's arrogance annoying you. It won't actually influence your behaviour.

[–]trphardmode 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is some good stuff, clean up your formatting and learn to spell 'ridiculous' though - I hope your book is better edited than this post is.

[–]iloveairplane 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sources for 289? Almost everyone I know that has children finds joy in having had their children, not only while they were young - but in their relationships with them as adults and having a family. Of course - they are a lot of work, but the reward outweighs the work in my mind and those I share with. Maybe you should ask your mom if she is happier that she had you vs not?

[–]plentyoffishes 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

People lie all the time. I've known plenty of "happy marriages" that ended in divorce.

[–]this_guy2001 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure, my mother is glad she had me, but that's only because I'm awesome.

On the other hand, the other day, at my mom's, one of my younger sisters said I need to have kids because she wants to be an aunt again. I told her and my mom that I'm no longer sure I want kids. My mom sort of shrugged her shoulders and said "Nothing wrong with that."

I was a bit surprised because I thought she would say something stereotypical of mothers like that I needed to have kids. On the other hand, I sort of consider my mom to be an RP woman.

[–]Transmigratory 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be honest, on some level people tend to enter LTRs not because the women are so amazingly awesome. Perhaps it is because having the children themselves is amazingly awesome.

That's why in a divorce the men tend to give zero fucks when the ex-wife leaves... but losing the children is where the feelz gets hurt.

[–]cheddarbiscuitbizz 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

What are most men's views of women over thirty who insist on childfree relationships?

[–]1London-Bananas 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

From personal experience child free women (or people in general) tend to be more intelligent. Not saying that people who want kids are dumb, but the childfree group is already filtered because the dumb people just had kids without giving it thought.

[–]1London-Bananas 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Having children is probably the one topic I'm still kind of on the fence about. First I thought I "owed" my parents kids but that's BP thinking.

I've thought about it a lot and though I would enjoy raising and having kids, I might enjoy the extra time, freedom and money more. Though decision.

Another thing I'm not sure about is whether it's better to have a part-time mom or SAHM. Although a SAHM might take care of children and household better, I might end up resentful because she doesn't "pull her own weight" and has so much free time.

[–]SoulBrotherNo1 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I dont expect emotionally immature people to look forward to having kids, even if they can write well.

[–]this_guy2001 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you saying most people with children are emotionally mature?

[–]Brolocaustic -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

To leave a legacy. To have a son to carry on your family name to honor your father. Because evolution has for hundreds of thousands of years been geared to make people want to procreate. Because having a family and raising children to be productive people is something noble and honorable. Because some of us want to live for more than ourselves.

[–]plentyoffishes 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

What if you only have daughters? Why do you care so much about your name being carried down? In 100 years, I can guarantee that everyone will have forgotten about you anyway, unless you're a politician or mass murderer.

[–]adam-l[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

These are mostly all the wrong reasons.

Regarding evolution, it has only required of men to enter a vagina and ejaculate. That's the most effective strategy to satisfy evolutionary demands, for a male. "Paternal care" is now seen by evolutionary scientists more as a flirting behaviour. Men in prehistory "fathered" the woman's children, but none might actually be their own.

The modern "honorable" ideals about procreation and family are ideological remnants of the agricaltural era.

[–]Brolocaustic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Every species on Earth was born to procreate. It's the MOST natural thing we do. Raising a family to be healthy and productive is the domain of men and women together. It's sad how things everyone KNEW for thousands of years are now in question. Strong men raise families, lesser men do not. Love is real and every woman isn't out to get you. Gender is static and thinking otherwise is a mental illness. If you, like me, don't like degeneracy, then raise a family and teach them not to be degenerates. Children are there to continue on and grow the traditions of your family. Plus, unless you're a degenerate, you'll never love anything more than your kids. Why would you be so eager to write off and dismiss what has been a major part of so many people's lives since the dawn of man? Dying childless is sad.