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[–]GameGrumpGate 142ポイント143ポイント  (59子コメント)

I shut down the sub because I regret making it. It's a place that though, it had noble intentions, was entirely about bad talking a show and its creators. I feel that this sub shouldn't exist anymore because the creators and those affiliated with Game Grumps don't deserve it. They created a popular show, they don't deserve having a special place reserved for people complaining about them. Every YouTuber has a rule of "Don't read the comments". They always talk about how the comments sometimes ruin their day and make them feel like shit. Nobody deserves that. It's like there's always that question. If you had a book of everything anyone has said bad about you, would you read it? The Game Grumps don't deserve a living, breathing community doing just that for them, they have their own things to worry about. /r/VentGrumps had started rough, gotten better, but went right back down the old path. It became vitriolic and hypocritical, having positive vents but in the same breath demeaning the members of Game Grumps. I formally apologize to Arin Hanson and the rest of the Grumps for my sub and however it may have affected you large or small, and I urge the moderators of Reddit to not allow subs like this because they promote bullying of others and I take full responsibility for my sub so I decided to end it to stem the tide of negativity.

[–]herpblarb6319 50ポイント51ポイント  (5子コメント)

In my opinion, the place was really turning into a subreddit of good critical discussion and analysis. Yes there are some shit posts every now and again, but that happens everywhere.

It's a shame you had to shut the subreddit down because I really enjoyed it. But I'll respect your decision

[–]awkwardhipsters 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

It really wasn't a place of critical analysis, it really wasn't.

It was mostly cynics who take the Game Grumps, and themselves, far too seriously.

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[–]Gray_Sloth 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think you are under the fallacy that the sub itself was causing the vitriolic and toxic comments, but it was the users, and the users still exist but they no longer have a place for that kind of discussion, so they will bring it here. As unpleasantness as that sub could be it served a good purpose of giving a place for people to let off steam away from the rest of the fans. Closing the sub won't end the vitriol and toxicity just cause it to spread elsewhere until it destroys some other community.

Maybe there are other factors that I am not aware about, as I am not a follower of that sub and don't really know what goes on there, but I hope you can reconsider.

[–]CaptainSouthbird 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Truly toxic users (i.e. ones who are really just stirring the pot and not providing meaningful discussion) can be dealt with by mods. Such users really shouldn't be "fed" by giving them a place to just focus on being ridiculous. (Maybe it is the lesser of two evils, but I certainly don't like the thought of it.) If our mods were to let the community be "destroyed" by an influx of silliness than they're not doing their jobs.

Note this is just in response to how your response is phrased, I never had anything to do with VentGrumps so I don't really know how anyone behaved there.

[–]Nikolaki8 22ポイント23ポイント  (16子コメント)

With all due respect, do you have no consideration for the community that was growing on the sub? Did you not think of maybe improving the standard and quality of posts by managing your moderators or by talking to the community instead of destroying the sub?

I don't understand exactly what you hope to accomplish, /r/ventgrumps2 already exists. All you've done is set back the community a few months. It doesn't seem like you care/cared about the people who did enjoy that sub, the people that actually were civil and the people that actually did discuss actual and relevant issues about the show.

Please reconsider your abandonment of the sub and open it up again. This really all does seem very childish and straight up unfair.

EDIT: Removed unnecessary sentence

EDIT 2: Someone is already trying to regain control of the sub: http://www.reddit.com/r/redditrequest/comments/38sato/requesting_to_take_control_over_rventgrumps/

[–]DukeDamn 25ポイント26ポイント  (10子コメント)

I know that this might get deleted, but I figure that you guys should know that the new VG incarnation wasn't even started by someone with good intentions like the last one.

In short, I would like to believe that I was one of the more level-headed VG regulars, but the guy who created /r/VentGrumps2 lost an argument with me yesterday, then decided to spam abusive PMs to me while telling me to kill myself and insulted me for being Australian because I told him to learn what he was talking about before insulting people.

Have fun with the new /r/VentGrumps2!

[–]Ultimate_Cabooser 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love how they take the effort to put

Vents like this are encouraged. (Ex: "X doesn't contribute to the show enough to warrant a consistent appearance.")

into the rules. Yeah, they're totally not obvious at all!

That specific rule is clearly meant to just push an agenda of "Please rant about Suzy so I can agree with you in order to express my dislike for her."

I'm not saying people shouldn't rant about her, but trying to hide it like that is just sad.

[–]silletta 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm not going to lie I'm not a fan of ventgrumps, but I'd much rather them have a place to go than come here to this sub.

Edit: meant to clarify the truly abrasive fandom, not everyone on ventgrumps is toxic ofc

[–]DukeDamn 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

The new VG2 will ban you if you disagree with the creator. They also have a 'no insults' policy, despite the creator telling me to kill myself and being racist towards me.

See how long it lasts with that guy in charge, then they'll all head here or to CG.

[–]uss1701jbOh, that's OK, No one celebrates Hanukkah anyway. -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or just wait and see if GGG deletes his account if is AFK for 2 months.

[–]uss1701jbOh, that's OK, No one celebrates Hanukkah anyway. -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was the original point of /r/ventgrumps.

[–]grumpsgame 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is concerning, but we'll see what happens...

[–]DukeDamn 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

He also already banned myself and the only other person on the sub who acknowledged that he overreacted.

We've just seen what happens. Disagree, get banned.

[–]grumpsgame 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

It seems like he also might be downvoting anyone who talks about it...

[–]DukeDamn 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup. Truly a class act.

[–]uss1701jbOh, that's OK, No one celebrates Hanukkah anyway. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Other banned person here. Can confirm, am banned.

[–]sje46 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

More than a few months. Replacement subreddits are virtually never successful, at all. There are only 42 subscribers there after a third of a day. The lack of activity there will mean no one's going to visit it anyway, and it will stagmate or die.

Or maybe the demand is really high for it, I dunno. Personally I don't see it being as successful as the original. Nor do I care too much.

I'd be fine if there were a /r/gamegrumpsdiscussion though, one that isn't so purposely negative, but can still allow negative posts.

But why is there so much criticism of it anyway? It's a very well run franchise they have, and very entertaining. There's nothing of substance to really complain about.

[–]DoomZero755 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

But why is there so much criticism of it anyway? It's a very well run franchise they have, and very entertaining. There's nothing of substance to really complain about.

I figure you've probably already seen this comment but I feel like it does well as a response to your question.

Specifically the first point. Actually, I'll just quote it here.

/r/VentGrumps wasn't JUST a place to complain. There's always room for constructive criticism no matter how popular someone or something is and that's why I liked it.

[–]sje46 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

The place was called vent grumps; the power of the name is strong enough to very much change the tone of the place. There is no reason there can't be a discussiongrumps instead.

I at no point said the subreddit was just about complaining.

[–]DoomZero755 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I at no point said the subreddit was just about complaining.

Yeah, for sure, sorry about that. I didn't mean to imply that you were claiming it was just about complaining. That's just the way that line was written, and I wanted to quote it properly.

There is no reason there can't be a discussiongrumps instead.

Yeah, I agree, I guess... Except, the existence of a sub called "discussiongrumps" would imply that all discussion about game grumps "belongs" in that sub, and not this one. I just think it'd be weird to say that the more appropriate place for game grumps discussion is somewhere besides the game grumps subreddit.

And, I think the idea of VentGrumps was actually very useful. This subreddit is very very... polarized, I think. Criticism of the grumps, whether it's constructive or just mean, is very often downvoted. I can understand the downvoting when the opinions are just mean, but when people have a genuine opinion and are expressing it fairly, they don't deserve downvotes. I feel like there must be a place where people can go when they feel the need to talk about something they didn't like. And, my point to this paragraph is basically, like... This subreddit is very very against negative opinions. If you don't make it very obvious that the sub is in support of negative opinions, then you'll get the same people from this subreddit coming into that one and downvoting every negative opinion.

And how can you really police downvoting? The only way I can think of is by making it a place where the people who are prone to downvoting negative opinions don't want to go.

Maybe I'm just being close-minded, but I genuinely feel like there is no way to have negative opinions in the same place as the people VentGrumps was created to avoid.

[–]uss1701jbOh, that's OK, No one celebrates Hanukkah anyway. 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And of course it failed, because GGG has obviously been in in the last 60 days.

[–]NeedsMoreReeds 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly, /r/gamegrumps has become much healthier with more moderation and accepting some critical comments, which makes ventgrumps obsolete other than a place for pointless bitching.

[–]Stuff-and-Things 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe you did the right thing.

[–]grumpsgame 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

They created a popular show, they don't deserve having a special place reserved for people complaining about them.

/r/VentGrumps wasn't JUST a place to complain. There's always room for constructive criticism no matter how popular someone or something is and that's why I liked it. Yes, there were posts that had people being mean just to be mean, but that's what mods are for, you should've implemented stricter guidelines to prevent all of the shit posts.

Every YouTuber has a rule of "Don't read the comments". They always talk about how the comments sometimes ruin their day and make them feel like shit. Nobody deserves that.

The Game Grumps are adults and nobody forced them to read any of the comments if they didn't want to. However, Danny does seem to read the negative comments and tries to make the show better because of them. Why is that a bad thing? I'm a Grump fan but there are certain things I don't like and it makes me happy that at least one of the Grumps is willing to listen to us and make things better. Listening to constructive criticism will ultimately make their channel better which will garner more subscribers. Sounds like a win-win to me.

...I urge the moderators of Reddit to not allow subs like this because they promote bullying of others...

Again, had you been a better mod and added rules for submitting, there would have been more actual discussions and less "bullying". Also, /r/VentGrumps2 already exists so you accomplished nothing with your lame and melodramatic shutdown.

[–]Big_Poo_MaGrew 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can I say that this is by far the most noble thing I've ever seen any fanbase do?

I've always had a big issue with Ventgrumps because it transformed into a massive circlejerk dissatisfaction and rage over a fun little comedy show. The idea is great, a place where you can address your concerns about the show. I really liked the idea at first because I remember when people were being frustrated about the "hugbox" main subreddit and wanted a place to be at "peace". The problem is that the subreddit did bring that mentality of bullying and bashing the show. People weren't venting, they were staying. A nice portion of the ventgrumps consisted of people who weren't even watching the show but just wanted to place to complain about how Jon was better. It no longer was a place to blow off some steam and then enjoy the show. It takes alot of stones to do something like this and to even go a step further and apologize, well done good sir.

However I have to say as the "moderator" of /r/circlejerk you've given me drastically less material to make my funnies :p

Nonetheless I hope you continue to enjoy the show. :D

[–]vosty 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Day 1 member of /r/VentGrumps here, I wrote this post over there a few days ago so seeing the end of VentGrumps in its current state doesn't surprise me or even bothers me.

I first joined that sub because this sub became to overwhelming for my taste; the humor here doesn't fit my own, and it's very annoying to be around all the brown-nosing posters who really grasp at straws when posting content, and at least over there I could freely speak my mind, but as of late the sub went full circlejerk mode with its own beliefs and it's just so ridiculous. There's a lot of hypocrisy, vitriolic anger, and I found out that people are just as unreasonable as those in the main sub. I love the concept of VentGrumps, and I disagree with the people here who say that "minor mistakes" such as Kevin's editing are a bad thing to complain about; those are all completely valid criticisms that are impossible to discuss here without a fallout of 10 subsequent threads apologizing in the name of the community. That being said, as of late, VG is grasping as straws just as much as the main sub for content, and while I personally don't like Suzy that much, she has truly become a straw man over there, being blamed for everything including Arin's behavior, to non-existent "censorship". Although I gotta admit that lately some posters have become more open-minded, this problem is still there, but they are still a minority and I didn't want to be a part of that community anymore. All this "SJWS R RUINING MUH SHOW" shit is so juvenile and sophomoric.

Maybe closing the subreddit was taking things to far, but I feel like that place really needed a good shake-up. I know there are good, if not great mods there who I believe could turn that place around and turn it back into the place it was before all the mouth-foaming hate took over.

[–]onlinewormsStupid Chinese Artist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't abandon the sub, you can make it better. If you are truly apologetic to the Grumps, do them a favor by containing those haters!

Regain control before those few assholes try to grab the power!

[–]freddyjasonmyer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually, after re-reading this i'm going to assume for now that this guy has been hacked.

[–]DukeDamn -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Clearly hacked.

Let's see how long it takes GGG to get his account back.

[–]uss1701jbOh, that's OK, No one celebrates Hanukkah anyway. 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Woah.

The person he's talking to is BrineDudeGaming, by the way.

[–]KMA10k -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bravo.

[–]HayleyMulch -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haaaaacked.