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[–]Schabernack 60ポイント61ポイント  (9子コメント)

I hope discussion in this thread remains civil.

Regardless of how you feel about /r/VentGrumps, I think we should all be concerned about what's going down. When moderators do this sort of thing, it usually mean something really bad happened, either in the subreddit itself or in real life.

I'd really like to know what happened... I hope everything's okay.

[–]xPriddyBoi[S] 32ポイント33ポイント  (6子コメント)

I've never really followed /r/VentGrumps, but the abruptness of it and looking at the moderator's past posts seems like he still cared about his subreddit. I think it's possible that his account may have been jeopardized.

The linked song is concerning though.

[–]eulerhopepunk 21ポイント22ポイント  (4子コメント)

Honestly it's Evangelion and that anime is obtuse as shit sometimes so I'll be context guy for a moment. The song linked - Komm, süsser Tod - is used during the climax of the entire series, in which all of humanity is merged into one collective consciousness. It's all very deep in symbolism, but the point is you can make what you want of it because it's so open-ended. I'm not gonna try and make sense of what the mod responsible is doing but that's just some context for your worries.

[–]xPriddyBoi[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thanks for the explanation. The timestamp lead to a particular verse that seemed like the mod was going through some hard times and it had me worried. Nice to know it could be something else.

[–]Dioxy 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a commonly linked song when things end, I wouldn't put much thought into it

[–]eulerhopepunk 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's definitely something to be concerned about, both for GGG and the reddit community as a whole, since the song itself idolizes suicide in a really offputting way but if GGG is aware of its context of its origin and is using it as such, it's significantly different from the song on its own.

[–]sje46 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The first half of the song is meh but the second half is awesome.

[–]ALorableTbhQuack 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm thinking it might be a hack, which is real worrying tbh, but we'll have to see how it goes.

[–]ShardwingIt's God Tier 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

An important addendum to the civil discussion thing: anyone here, if you click the link OP posted, do not vote on the post or comments. If a lot of people follow an inter-subreddit link and vote on it, whether up or down, the Reddit administrators will recognize it as brigading and start shadowbanning participating users. Please don't let this happen to you, it sucks and you may not be able to get it reverted. Trust me, this happened to me and a bunch of others in an incident on /r/Roosterteeth not too long ago, and it's happened countless other times to other people in other subs. This is why subreddits like /r/Bestof require inter-subreddit links to use the np.reddit domain, for no participation, which OP didn't use here.

[–]GameGrumpGate 144ポイント145ポイント  (59子コメント)

I shut down the sub because I regret making it. It's a place that though, it had noble intentions, was entirely about bad talking a show and its creators. I feel that this sub shouldn't exist anymore because the creators and those affiliated with Game Grumps don't deserve it. They created a popular show, they don't deserve having a special place reserved for people complaining about them. Every YouTuber has a rule of "Don't read the comments". They always talk about how the comments sometimes ruin their day and make them feel like shit. Nobody deserves that. It's like there's always that question. If you had a book of everything anyone has said bad about you, would you read it? The Game Grumps don't deserve a living, breathing community doing just that for them, they have their own things to worry about. /r/VentGrumps had started rough, gotten better, but went right back down the old path. It became vitriolic and hypocritical, having positive vents but in the same breath demeaning the members of Game Grumps. I formally apologize to Arin Hanson and the rest of the Grumps for my sub and however it may have affected you large or small, and I urge the moderators of Reddit to not allow subs like this because they promote bullying of others and I take full responsibility for my sub so I decided to end it to stem the tide of negativity.

[–]herpblarb6319 50ポイント51ポイント  (5子コメント)

In my opinion, the place was really turning into a subreddit of good critical discussion and analysis. Yes there are some shit posts every now and again, but that happens everywhere.

It's a shame you had to shut the subreddit down because I really enjoyed it. But I'll respect your decision

[–]awkwardhipsters 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

It really wasn't a place of critical analysis, it really wasn't.

It was mostly cynics who take the Game Grumps, and themselves, far too seriously.

[–]TotesMessenger 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

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[–]Gray_Sloth 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think you are under the fallacy that the sub itself was causing the vitriolic and toxic comments, but it was the users, and the users still exist but they no longer have a place for that kind of discussion, so they will bring it here. As unpleasantness as that sub could be it served a good purpose of giving a place for people to let off steam away from the rest of the fans. Closing the sub won't end the vitriol and toxicity just cause it to spread elsewhere until it destroys some other community.

Maybe there are other factors that I am not aware about, as I am not a follower of that sub and don't really know what goes on there, but I hope you can reconsider.

[–]CaptainSouthbird 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Truly toxic users (i.e. ones who are really just stirring the pot and not providing meaningful discussion) can be dealt with by mods. Such users really shouldn't be "fed" by giving them a place to just focus on being ridiculous. (Maybe it is the lesser of two evils, but I certainly don't like the thought of it.) If our mods were to let the community be "destroyed" by an influx of silliness than they're not doing their jobs.

Note this is just in response to how your response is phrased, I never had anything to do with VentGrumps so I don't really know how anyone behaved there.

[–]Nikolaki8 23ポイント24ポイント  (16子コメント)

With all due respect, do you have no consideration for the community that was growing on the sub? Did you not think of maybe improving the standard and quality of posts by managing your moderators or by talking to the community instead of destroying the sub?

I don't understand exactly what you hope to accomplish, /r/ventgrumps2 already exists. All you've done is set back the community a few months. It doesn't seem like you care/cared about the people who did enjoy that sub, the people that actually were civil and the people that actually did discuss actual and relevant issues about the show.

Please reconsider your abandonment of the sub and open it up again. This really all does seem very childish and straight up unfair.

EDIT: Removed unnecessary sentence

EDIT 2: Someone is already trying to regain control of the sub: http://www.reddit.com/r/redditrequest/comments/38sato/requesting_to_take_control_over_rventgrumps/

[–]DukeDamn 24ポイント25ポイント  (10子コメント)

I know that this might get deleted, but I figure that you guys should know that the new VG incarnation wasn't even started by someone with good intentions like the last one.

In short, I would like to believe that I was one of the more level-headed VG regulars, but the guy who created /r/VentGrumps2 lost an argument with me yesterday, then decided to spam abusive PMs to me while telling me to kill myself and insulted me for being Australian because I told him to learn what he was talking about before insulting people.

Have fun with the new /r/VentGrumps2!

[–]Ultimate_Cabooser 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love how they take the effort to put

Vents like this are encouraged. (Ex: "X doesn't contribute to the show enough to warrant a consistent appearance.")

into the rules. Yeah, they're totally not obvious at all!

That specific rule is clearly meant to just push an agenda of "Please rant about Suzy so I can agree with you in order to express my dislike for her."

I'm not saying people shouldn't rant about her, but trying to hide it like that is just sad.

[–]silletta 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm not going to lie I'm not a fan of ventgrumps, but I'd much rather them have a place to go than come here to this sub.

Edit: meant to clarify the truly abrasive fandom, not everyone on ventgrumps is toxic ofc

[–]DukeDamn 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

The new VG2 will ban you if you disagree with the creator. They also have a 'no insults' policy, despite the creator telling me to kill myself and being racist towards me.

See how long it lasts with that guy in charge, then they'll all head here or to CG.

[–]uss1701jbOh, that's OK, No one celebrates Hanukkah anyway. -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or just wait and see if GGG deletes his account if is AFK for 2 months.

[–]uss1701jbOh, that's OK, No one celebrates Hanukkah anyway. -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was the original point of /r/ventgrumps.

[–]grumpsgame 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is concerning, but we'll see what happens...

[–]DukeDamn 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

He also already banned myself and the only other person on the sub who acknowledged that he overreacted.

We've just seen what happens. Disagree, get banned.

[–]grumpsgame 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

It seems like he also might be downvoting anyone who talks about it...

[–]DukeDamn 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup. Truly a class act.

[–]uss1701jbOh, that's OK, No one celebrates Hanukkah anyway. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Other banned person here. Can confirm, am banned.

[–]sje46 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

More than a few months. Replacement subreddits are virtually never successful, at all. There are only 42 subscribers there after a third of a day. The lack of activity there will mean no one's going to visit it anyway, and it will stagmate or die.

Or maybe the demand is really high for it, I dunno. Personally I don't see it being as successful as the original. Nor do I care too much.

I'd be fine if there were a /r/gamegrumpsdiscussion though, one that isn't so purposely negative, but can still allow negative posts.

But why is there so much criticism of it anyway? It's a very well run franchise they have, and very entertaining. There's nothing of substance to really complain about.

[–]DoomZero755 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

But why is there so much criticism of it anyway? It's a very well run franchise they have, and very entertaining. There's nothing of substance to really complain about.

I figure you've probably already seen this comment but I feel like it does well as a response to your question.

Specifically the first point. Actually, I'll just quote it here.

/r/VentGrumps wasn't JUST a place to complain. There's always room for constructive criticism no matter how popular someone or something is and that's why I liked it.

[–]sje46 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

The place was called vent grumps; the power of the name is strong enough to very much change the tone of the place. There is no reason there can't be a discussiongrumps instead.

I at no point said the subreddit was just about complaining.

[–]DoomZero755 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I at no point said the subreddit was just about complaining.

Yeah, for sure, sorry about that. I didn't mean to imply that you were claiming it was just about complaining. That's just the way that line was written, and I wanted to quote it properly.

There is no reason there can't be a discussiongrumps instead.

Yeah, I agree, I guess... Except, the existence of a sub called "discussiongrumps" would imply that all discussion about game grumps "belongs" in that sub, and not this one. I just think it'd be weird to say that the more appropriate place for game grumps discussion is somewhere besides the game grumps subreddit.

And, I think the idea of VentGrumps was actually very useful. This subreddit is very very... polarized, I think. Criticism of the grumps, whether it's constructive or just mean, is very often downvoted. I can understand the downvoting when the opinions are just mean, but when people have a genuine opinion and are expressing it fairly, they don't deserve downvotes. I feel like there must be a place where people can go when they feel the need to talk about something they didn't like. And, my point to this paragraph is basically, like... This subreddit is very very against negative opinions. If you don't make it very obvious that the sub is in support of negative opinions, then you'll get the same people from this subreddit coming into that one and downvoting every negative opinion.

And how can you really police downvoting? The only way I can think of is by making it a place where the people who are prone to downvoting negative opinions don't want to go.

Maybe I'm just being close-minded, but I genuinely feel like there is no way to have negative opinions in the same place as the people VentGrumps was created to avoid.

[–]uss1701jbOh, that's OK, No one celebrates Hanukkah anyway. 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And of course it failed, because GGG has obviously been in in the last 60 days.

[–]NeedsMoreReeds 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly, /r/gamegrumps has become much healthier with more moderation and accepting some critical comments, which makes ventgrumps obsolete other than a place for pointless bitching.

[–]Stuff-and-Things 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe you did the right thing.

[–]grumpsgame 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

They created a popular show, they don't deserve having a special place reserved for people complaining about them.

/r/VentGrumps wasn't JUST a place to complain. There's always room for constructive criticism no matter how popular someone or something is and that's why I liked it. Yes, there were posts that had people being mean just to be mean, but that's what mods are for, you should've implemented stricter guidelines to prevent all of the shit posts.

Every YouTuber has a rule of "Don't read the comments". They always talk about how the comments sometimes ruin their day and make them feel like shit. Nobody deserves that.

The Game Grumps are adults and nobody forced them to read any of the comments if they didn't want to. However, Danny does seem to read the negative comments and tries to make the show better because of them. Why is that a bad thing? I'm a Grump fan but there are certain things I don't like and it makes me happy that at least one of the Grumps is willing to listen to us and make things better. Listening to constructive criticism will ultimately make their channel better which will garner more subscribers. Sounds like a win-win to me.

...I urge the moderators of Reddit to not allow subs like this because they promote bullying of others...

Again, had you been a better mod and added rules for submitting, there would have been more actual discussions and less "bullying". Also, /r/VentGrumps2 already exists so you accomplished nothing with your lame and melodramatic shutdown.

[–]Big_Poo_MaGrew 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can I say that this is by far the most noble thing I've ever seen any fanbase do?

I've always had a big issue with Ventgrumps because it transformed into a massive circlejerk dissatisfaction and rage over a fun little comedy show. The idea is great, a place where you can address your concerns about the show. I really liked the idea at first because I remember when people were being frustrated about the "hugbox" main subreddit and wanted a place to be at "peace". The problem is that the subreddit did bring that mentality of bullying and bashing the show. People weren't venting, they were staying. A nice portion of the ventgrumps consisted of people who weren't even watching the show but just wanted to place to complain about how Jon was better. It no longer was a place to blow off some steam and then enjoy the show. It takes alot of stones to do something like this and to even go a step further and apologize, well done good sir.

However I have to say as the "moderator" of /r/circlejerk you've given me drastically less material to make my funnies :p

Nonetheless I hope you continue to enjoy the show. :D

[–]vosty 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Day 1 member of /r/VentGrumps here, I wrote this post over there a few days ago so seeing the end of VentGrumps in its current state doesn't surprise me or even bothers me.

I first joined that sub because this sub became to overwhelming for my taste; the humor here doesn't fit my own, and it's very annoying to be around all the brown-nosing posters who really grasp at straws when posting content, and at least over there I could freely speak my mind, but as of late the sub went full circlejerk mode with its own beliefs and it's just so ridiculous. There's a lot of hypocrisy, vitriolic anger, and I found out that people are just as unreasonable as those in the main sub. I love the concept of VentGrumps, and I disagree with the people here who say that "minor mistakes" such as Kevin's editing are a bad thing to complain about; those are all completely valid criticisms that are impossible to discuss here without a fallout of 10 subsequent threads apologizing in the name of the community. That being said, as of late, VG is grasping as straws just as much as the main sub for content, and while I personally don't like Suzy that much, she has truly become a straw man over there, being blamed for everything including Arin's behavior, to non-existent "censorship". Although I gotta admit that lately some posters have become more open-minded, this problem is still there, but they are still a minority and I didn't want to be a part of that community anymore. All this "SJWS R RUINING MUH SHOW" shit is so juvenile and sophomoric.

Maybe closing the subreddit was taking things to far, but I feel like that place really needed a good shake-up. I know there are good, if not great mods there who I believe could turn that place around and turn it back into the place it was before all the mouth-foaming hate took over.

[–]onlinewormsStupid Chinese Artist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't abandon the sub, you can make it better. If you are truly apologetic to the Grumps, do them a favor by containing those haters!

Regain control before those few assholes try to grab the power!

[–]freddyjasonmyer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually, after re-reading this i'm going to assume for now that this guy has been hacked.

[–]DukeDamn -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Clearly hacked.

Let's see how long it takes GGG to get his account back.

[–]uss1701jbOh, that's OK, No one celebrates Hanukkah anyway. 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Woah.

The person he's talking to is BrineDudeGaming, by the way.

[–]HayleyMulch -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haaaaacked.

[–]ALorableTbhQuack 16ポイント17ポイント  (6子コメント)

With little to no explanation either. RIP

[–]ECHTECHT 26ポイント27ポイント  (4子コメント)

Even I wasn't aware of it and I'm a mod there. Oh well, now I can focus on other stuff.

[–]elemlo 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Do you have more context though?

[–]ECHTECHT 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nope. All I have is an evangelion song and a dead subreddit.

[–][削除されました]  (1子コメント)

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    [–]mikelelex -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Good one, funny guy.

    [–]aoisenshi 36ポイント37ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Wow, and I feel as if VentGrumps was becoming less a place to vent and more a place to have critical discussion which I enjoyed.

    [–]DukeDamn 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I know that this might get deleted, but I figure that you guys should know that the new VG incarnation wasn't even started by someone with good intentions like the last one.

    In short, I would like to believe that I was one of the more level-headed VG regulars, but the guy who created /r/VentGrumps2 lost an argument with me yesterday, then decided to spam abusive PMs to me while telling me to kill myself and insulted me for being Australian because I told him to learn what he was talking about before insulting people.

    Have fun with the new /r/VentGrumps2!

    [–]buttfractal 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Huh. What a weird coincidence. I've been hearing about /r/ventgrumps for a long time but I never visited, figuring it was a place for garbage to commiserate with fellow garbage. I went there just a few hours ago and read a few threads. I was surprised to see how level-headed and fair people were there (for the most part.)

    And now it's gone. What a shame.

    [–]uss1701jbOh, that's OK, No one celebrates Hanukkah anyway. 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It used to be more toxic stuff, then it got better, with the exception of a few trolls. I was added as a mod to help curb the roll problem, and it happened. I should've known something was up when I was flat out kicked out and banned.

    [–]MajorThom98 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Why were you banned, anyway?

    [–]NotTheCinemassacre 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Wow. This is out of nowhere. I actually really liked VentGrumps. Of course there were some dicks on there, but also a lot of nice and genuine guys. I'm gonna miss it.

    [–]TheDemonPirate 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Never really followed this sub-reddit, but still feel sad to see it go.

    R.I.P

    [–]BismuthBlood 20ポイント21ポイント  (16子コメント)

    I think this is the only way it really could have ended for that sub. There was definitely fair discussion there sometimes, but for every level-headed comment there were 50 others that were either insane or took the grumps way too personal and made it their life goal to shit on them, the sidebar pictures for example. I believe GGG wanted to make it a decent place, and I think /u/echtecht was a good mod, but there was so much shit going on and it seemed like he was the only active one.

    It was just a matter of time, the sub was more trouble than it was worth.

    [–]ECHTECHT 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I too saw it heading south quickly. Honestly I wouldn't have stuck around if it weren't for the fact that I was committed to what I started.

    [–]BismuthBlood 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I'm actually surprised it stuck around for as long as it did. Did you get any prior notice from /u/Gamegrumpgate or is this a surprise to you too? Either way, time for a vacation.

    [–]ECHTECHT 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

    This news came completely out of left field for me too.

    [–]StrangeCharmQuark 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That seems a bit rude, no? I feel like he should have at least notified or explained himself to the mods who put hours of work into that sub...

    [–]easterhangover 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

    Like 40% of the posts in that sub were just non stop Suzy complaints. The first non stickied thread that I saw when opening it to see what was going on was basically saying "Arin only compliments her for brownie points." Like fucking really?

    While I hope the mod's account wasn't doxxed and I believe everyone deserves a place to voice their opinions, I also can't help but think "good riddance."

    [–]BismuthBlood 24ポイント25ポイント  (9子コメント)

    I can see why the sub was made in the first place. A lot of people felt like they were under attack here if they had opinions that did not conform to certain wavelengths concerning opinion about the grumps and their activities. I posted there for a little while myself but the amount of hatred coming out of it was too much.

    I figured, at the end of the day, not everyone is going to agree with me and I'll get downvotes, some days more than others (Which, in the long run doesn't matter anyway, I delete my accounts every 3-4 months and start new ones). A few days ago I mentioned that I find Zelda games and playthroughs boring, and another day I mentioned that I wouldn't care for Splatoon on grumps just due to the large number of Nintendo games that already get attention. People are allowed to disagree with me, and they can downvote me if they wish. I would love to have a discussion, but instead of letting it bother me I just browse the only other sub I care about, or close Reddit for a few days and do other shit.

    [–]Tom_Dynamite 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Honestly, this was a main reason why I visited Ventgrumps. You could honestly post your opinions and criticism there without getting downvoted into oblivion. I like this sub a lot too, but there is a lot of unnecessary downvoting going on. When I see comments downvoted for just expressing an opinion without being rude or insulting about it, I feel like it's missing the point of this sub. After all, it was Dan himself that said without criticism, you can't improve.

    Like there were quite a few overly hateful people in ventgrumps, here are some really defensive people. The same as hateful comments shouldn't be upvoted, honest and respectful comments shouldn't be downvoted, even if you don't agree with them. I feel downvoting is for comments that are insulting, disrespectful or overall just unnecessary.

    While I won't miss the hate that was going on there (Arin is often treated like the devil himself), I will miss the chance to talk with people about certain things I didn't enjoy about the show. Sad that there isn't a place for both, positive feedback and criticism.

    [–]HorseKingBang! 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Constructive criticism constantly gets upvoted in this sub. I don't understand what ventgrumps was every talking about because it's here. Too often though certain topics were beat to death and ventgrumps could never let it go.

    I honestly think (especially after reading what the creator and main moderator of ventgrumps said) that it was a place for negativity and was getting too toxic to even want to moderate.

    [–]Tom_Dynamite 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Like I said, there were hateful people there but with most things in life, they were just a loud minority. I met a lot of people there with interesting opinions who just felt like they don't have a place here. Which I can perfectly understand. I didn't say that every comment with constructive criticism gets downvoted here but it happened enough times that people searched for a place where they could openly talk about things like that.

    ventgrumps got a minority of loud, hateful people and this sub has a minority of loud, defensive people. I personally was happy that there were two different subs, since I could talk to people about things I enjoy and things I don't enjoy.

    When people say it was a place for negativity and too toxic, they are making it too easy for themselves. I spent some time there and some time here and I saw the best and worst of both sides. From constructive criticism to blind hate and from creative, fun content to blindly accepting and defending anything. I was happy standing in the middle of it, since I felt like I had a place to go, whenever I had something to say.

    [–]onlinewormsStupid Chinese Artist -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    There are creative, fun contents on VG? I'm now really curious.

    [–]Tom_Dynamite 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Constructive criticism and blind hate was associated with ventgrumps. I meant this sub with fun and creative content. Like I said, best and worst of both sides.

    [–]onlinewormsStupid Chinese Artist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Ah, I see! Thank you for you explanation!

    [–]Burea_Huwaito 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I agree with u. Zelda is cool to me, but i think playthroughs are a little boring at times, and Splatoon would never make it on grumps. if anything suzy'll play it on her channel and that'll be the end of it

    [–]Trask899 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah, I usually have to stay away from communities because of the extremely defensive people that do nothing but dislike folks who disagree with a popular opinion. It definitely goes both ways when people hate for the sake of hating, but it bothers me more when you can't ever dislike something in a constructive manner.

    [–]Derbins2 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    A lot of people felt like they were under attack here if they had opinions that did not conform to certain wavelengths concerning opinion about the grumps and their activities.

    They would complain in douchey ways get downvoted then play the victim card.

    [–]grumpsgame 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

    The fact that all of the mods just got removed without being told what's going on is really worrying to me. Either /u/GameGrumpGate's account got hacked or something has gone seriously wrong in his life. I really hope he and his family are ok. :\

    That being said, if he's ok and just decided to shut the sub down in the most melodramatic way possible then GGG's a fucking douche bag. I like(d) /r/VentGrumps. :(

    [–]Nikolaki8 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Your second theory about him being melodramatic is unfortunately correct.

    [–]grumpsgame 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Yeah, I just saw that. What an ass. He could've just left instead of shutting down the sub, and /r/VentGrumps2 has already been created so he accomplished nothing.

    [–]uss1701jbOh, that's OK, No one celebrates Hanukkah anyway. 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    http://www.reddit.com/r/VentGrumps2/comments/38suqw/regular_poster_on_vg_here_just_letting_you_guys/

    EDIT: Oh, and I was just banned.

    [–]grumpsgame 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    What did your post say? Why the hell were you banned?

    [–]DukeDamn 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The new head-mod of VG2 lost an argument (on VG before it was deleted, not VG2) and I told him to "learn the difference" (between circlejerking and laughing at mildly clever satire), and so he deleted his post, told me to kill myself, and insulted me for being Australian, in some lovely abusive PMs.

    [–]uss1701jbOh, that's OK, No one celebrates Hanukkah anyway. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    /u/dukedamn was the OP. It was something about how the head mod of that sub harassed him after an argument. He and I were both banned.

    [–]ToriKitty 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Maybe we can have more critical discussion here instead of containing it in that subreddit?

    [–]uss1701jbOh, that's OK, No one celebrates Hanukkah anyway. 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We can't have it in the subreddit. I think he altered the AutoMod script I wrote to delete any comments from people of account ages less than 11 years.

    [–]TehMightyMidget 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's up to the rest of the GG community. The fact that a separate sub had to be made just to contain criticism is really pathetic, we're going to have to start community-wide change to merge the two communities.

    [–]evolems 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    hopefully

    [–]X_Linkanon_X 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oh, also, as long as the critique is respectful and constructive (and actually means something and isn't just about how Kevin made a minor error or about how Suzy deserves to burn in Hell for existing), I'm fine with some of that being brought here. As long as it comes from a good place and is genuine. Like the posts we still get here like "Oh, what if the Grumps..." I dunno, changed the color of Steam Rolled because it's a little hard to tell if it's Steam Train or Rolled from the thumbnail, and it just feels like the same show with a different intro. That's not hostile, it's just an idea being thrown out there. (That was a legit suggestion too lmao, it's a bit hard to distinguish and it really does feel like it's the same show with the same color, idk.)

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      [–]uss1701jbOh, that's OK, No one celebrates Hanukkah anyway. 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

      I'd like to direct people to this post, with evidence, from /u/dukedamn.

      EDIT: Oh, and I was just banned. /u/dukedamn, you?

      [–]DukeDamn 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Yup /u/uss1701jb, me too. No surprise, he's probably 12.

      [–]uss1701jbOh, that's OK, No one celebrates Hanukkah anyway. -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Wanna go make /r/ventgrumps3? /s

      [–]Zappangon 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

      Last week I was sick and checked that sub out. You know there were nice people but... it was sort of overly negative. More than anything I agree with the sub's moderator, it's just not fun to have a place reserved to only negativity. I'm not saying criticism shouldn't exist but it should be given in a more civil manner like few comments did in the 5 min punch out episode. It wasn't a big deal, still people pointed out and the grumps were like 'shit, we messed up'. Then we all moved on, there's no need to keep harping on them.

      If there's something about this show you don't enjoy and has become a big issue for you, my piece of advice is to move on. Why would you keep watching, heck make constant comments, about something you heavily dislike?

      [–]StrangeCharmQuark 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Everyone on VentGrumps were definitely fans of the Game Grumps. It was created because negative comments were treated with rudeness and hostility on this sub. However, I guess some of the rude people moved there, too. :(

      [–]Zappangon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      My activity on these subs is generally quite sporadic so perhaps that's why I don't often notice these issues. But the 30 minutes I was there it seemed to me people were way too passionate about these shows. I'm more along the lines of if I don't like something I'll move on or take a break from the content's creator videos.

      [–]TehMightyMidget 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That's the whole point, you can't complain about a subreddit intended to contain criticism and negative thought being too negative.

      [–]MagicMan350 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That's a shame, the subreddit was a place for constructive criticism which wasn't appreciated here.

      All we can do is hope that this sub becomes better with accepting criticism of the grumps.

      [–]TouphiLTouphi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Good riddance. Komm Susser Todd is overused and cliche though. I like NGE but not that song.

      [–]samsim1990 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Great... Now people can only kiss ass and not criticize anything at all.

      Edit: You got your wish arin, no one will oppose your BS now.

      [–]_charlemagne_ -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      There were some okay discussions on /r/VentGrumps but it really caused more trouble than it was worth. Truly hate filled people tended to have the more dominant voice and most dissension with whatever the main popular opinion of the time was was downvoted into oblivion. I'd say about 20% of the posts were legitimate, worthwhile criticism, while 80% was complaining based on previous biases. It was going downhill fast and was really making the fandom look bad.

      [–]elemlo -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Too bad, I guess I'll stop watching Game Grumps too, then.

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        [–]ajsw 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

        And this is exactly why we needed that sub.

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          [–]freddyjasonmyer 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

          Because you just called every post on the sub 'vapid bs'. The entire point of the sub was that negative opinions of the Grumps would just get bombarded with downvotes on this sub, so a sub was created to 'vent' and start constructive criticism without being buried by quote-unquote circlejerking of the Grumps.

          [–]Demopublican -2ポイント-1ポイント  (7子コメント)

          What the hell was /r/ventgrumps?

          [–]Rikard_Lund 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

          This sub, but way more critical, with a lot more discussion around everything game grumps related.

          [–]NotTheCinemassacre 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

          A place to give critisism about Game Grumps.

          [–]AllisonRages -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

          10: No posting links from /r/VentGrumps or /r/ConspiracyGrumps. Please keep those discussions in their own subreddits, thank you.

          Way to that follow that rule moderators.

          [–]MagicMan350 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

          This is obviously a one off. The entire subreddit is gone for fucks sake.

          [–]xnamkcor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          There should not be "one".

          [–]AllisonRages 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It's not though, just posting options are disable so yeah this isn't a one off

          [–]Ultimate_Cabooser -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

          VentGrumps started as a way to remove as much hatred as possible from /r/conspiracygrumps.

          Then it became something serious, as a way for fans to vent their concerns.

          At least, that's what the creator wanted at the time. It became a club for people who haven't even watched the show in a year or more to express how shitty X is as a human being because of Y.

          I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner. I feel bad for /u/GameGrumpGate

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            [–]KMA10k -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Hallelujah, praise the Lord!

            [–][削除されました]  (1子コメント)

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              [–]TehMightyMidget -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Cool, one of my favorite subreddits is gone. I'm sorry, /u/GameGrumpGate, but just because you created the subreddit doesn't mean that you created the community, nor that you have power over them. It doesn't matter how noble your intentions are, the place wasn't hurting anyone (the rules literally demanded that nobody xpost to the main sub, and that nobody get into fights about differing opinions). It seems clear to me that you weren't even aware of the goings-on of the subreddit that YOU created, or else you'd have seen that any posts that amounted to nothing but bullying were downvoted to hell and back.

              Foolish decision, thanks for taking executive action to upset a bunch of people, even if the reason is small </3

              [–]xnamkcor -4ポイント-3ポイント  (7子コメント)

              10: No posting links from /r/VentGrumps or /r/ConspiracyGrumps. Please keep those discussions in their own subreddits, thank you.

              [–]xPriddyBoi[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Unfortunately, their own subreddit kind of doesn't exist. I thought this warranted a discussion here.

              [–]NotTheCinemassacre 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

              Dude, where the heck are we going to post it then? We can't keep this discussion in VentGrumps, because VentGrumps doesn't exist anymore.

              [–]xnamkcor -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

              Post it on the new Ventgrumps subreddit.

              [–]NotTheCinemassacre 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

              Yeah, post on the new VentGrumps subreddit that the old VentGrump subreddit is destroyed. Good logic there

              [–]xnamkcor -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

              "You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here" . -Oscar Wilde

              [–]NotTheCinemassacre 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Nice Google Search, now leave me alone.

              [–]xnamkcor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I wonder if you assumed I would make multiple replies to your single post.