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[–]IkLms -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 2時間 前 (16子コメント)
It was kind of expected though. This is exactly the same stuff the church has done for thousands of years.
[–]TaylorS1986Moorhead, FTW! [スコア非表示] 10分 前 (0子コメント)
/r/badreligion
[–]ThatIrishChEg 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間 前 (12子コメント)
That's really incendiary and bigoted. Catholics don't approve of rape or rapists. We don't like what's going on, and we hate the coverups. We want it to stop and we want help and justice for the victims. We don't like our donations supporting legal defense for rapists instead of social programs.
[–]IkLms -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 2時間 前 (11子コメント)
The Catholic church has defended stuff like this since it was created. This is the same Church that murdered thousands just because they didn't believe. Who murdered or arrested scientists because the discoveries they made, because they proved the church wrong.
It's not remotely shocking that they still continue to defend shameful practices.
Individual Catholics may not believe it, but they've supported a Church they is about as dirty of an organization you can get for quite some time.
[–]ThatIrishChEg 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間 前* (0子コメント)
I think you may need a history lesson. The Crusades were a product of warring empires in response to Islamic invasions a thousand years ago. Just as we don't hold Saudi Arabia responsible for Saladin's warmongering, there's no justification for holding today's Catholics responsible for events hundreds and hundreds of years in the past.
Of course, the Inquisition is not what you believe either: http://www.strangenotions.com/spanish-inquisition/. In summary of that source, "The Church executed no one."
The Church supported many scientists and kept alive literacy in Europe following the fall of Rome. Gregor Mendel, father of genetics, was a monk. Georges LeMaitre was a priest who created the idea of the Big Bang. The Galileo story was more nuanced than I think you realize, but even so, the modern Church has apologized for its actions: http://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/31/world/after-350-years-vatican-says-galileo-was-right-it-moves.html. Even the foremost Catholic university in the United States, Notre Dame, has a quote supporting evolution inscribed in the floor of its main science building.
Of course, none of that has anything to do with defending rapists, which is why this is an anomaly and you are categorically mistaken.
EDIT: Downvotes but no evidence-backed rebuttal. Ok then.
[–]balrogathCrooklyn Dark -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 2時間 前 (9子コメント)
Who murdered or arrested scientists because the discoveries they made, because they proved the church wrong.
You can't provide a whit of evidence for any of that.
[–]IkLms 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間 前* (8子コメント)
Bulshit. Galileo is commonly known to have been put under house arrest for daring to defend his work that the Earth and other planets orbit the Sun, not them revolving around the Earth.
Giordano Bruno was executed by the Church during the same Inquisition.
[–]balrogathCrooklyn Dark 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間 前 (6子コメント)
It's much more complicated than that and any historian can tell you that. Galileo didn't even have enough evidence to prove what he was claiming.
http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1o7olc/eli5_galileo_and_his_religious_quarrels/
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2y44q6/how_sound_was_galileos_case_for_heliocentricism/
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/36xo3j/did_prominent_catholic_clergy_actually_doubt/
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/38izei/how_did_the_catholic_church_go_from_putting/crveomc
[–]IkLms 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間 前 (4子コメント)
Even if he didn't they still jailed someone for daring to call them out on their bullshit? That's reprehensible.
[–]balrogathCrooklyn Dark [スコア非表示] 1時間 前 (3子コメント)
The model of the solar system that the Church held, the Tyhco helocentric model, was more accurate than what Galileo proposed and had more proof than what Galileo had. Some bullshit.
[–]IkLms [スコア非表示] 1時間 前 (2子コメント)
Again, what the fuck does that change? They still jailed someone for disagreeing with them. You're completely sidestepping that.
[–]balrogathCrooklyn Dark [スコア非表示] 1時間 前 (1子コメント)
They jailed someone for promoting seemingly false science, causing political uproar, and portraying the ruler of a country and religion literally as a "simpleton".
The Church is not anti-science and any historian worth his salt will agree that the Galileo issue will not prove anything for you.
[–]ThatIrishChEg -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 2時間 前 (0子コメント)
We should probably stop feeding the troll/bigot. He can go find some dark corner of 4chan to complain about the "Papists, Jews, Blacks, and Wetbacks who terk the jerbs." I strongly suspect that a multitude of evidence won't convince him as he is not interested in truth, only bigotry.
[–]ThatIrishChEg [スコア非表示] 1時間 前 (0子コメント)
"Though Bruno may have been a brilliant thinker whose work stands as a bridge between ancient and modern thought, his persecution cannot be seen...in light of the war between science and religion." Adam Frank, The Constant Fire: Beyond the Science vs. Religion Debate, University of California Press, 2009, p. 24
Tell me, did you get all of your education from TV or just the part involving history? For a person who so vehemently supports science against the Church (a modern narrative which skews historical fact), you seem to have done little to edify yourself even so much as to be able to present legitimate sources backing your argument.
[–]Nice_and_Honest[S] 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間 前 (1子コメント)
Since the Catholic Church is under two thousand years old, it would be impossible for it to do anything for "thousands of years."
[–]IkLms 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間 前 (0子コメント)
Fine They've been doing it for just shy of 2000 years.
I don't think that small amount of time takes away from the fact that this is exactly the shit they've been doing for a very long time.
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