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[–]Soren635 800ポイント801ポイント  (255子コメント)

Mattress Girl is a woman who was allegedly raped by an ex lover. As a symbol of how poorly the school handled the rape she decided to carry around a mattress until she graduated which was recently. Also she made a "movie" to reenact her alleged rape, which most people think is actually just a porn film.

I say she was allegedly raped because honestly the facts don't add up. First are the dozens of texts sent by her after the supposed rape to her supposed rapist which were all "I love you please talk to me" in various ways. Secondly was the fact that, instead of only using the mattress as a symbol for how poorly the school handled it, she was also allowed to do this as an art project for her class and got school credit for this. Finally, and most recently, the film she released which "recreated her rape" was done after she told the police during her testimony that she couldn't talk about the rape as it was too triggering so she could give no details.

So there was a ton of sketchy behaviour from her but the ex lover's story and facts checked out so the police dropped the investigation. The guys life is still pretty ruined as this whole mattress campaign pretty much made everyone think he was a rapist and his name was all over the news. So last I heard of him he sued the school for allowing a smear campaign. Don't know if he won or not but a part of me hopes he won a lot of money.

[–]Something_Syck 434ポイント435ポイント  (111子コメント)

a key detail you left out is that the school allowed her to get art credit for slandering this guys reputation with her mattress project after the university determined he was innocent.

[–]wellitsbouttime 222ポイント223ポイント  (23子コメント)

yep. cops looked in to it. found nothing. school looked in to it. found nothing. then the smear campaign happened.

[–]Valisk 82ポイント83ポイント  (7子コメント)

what is truly incomprehensible is why is the school involved.

The school, ALL colleges should be 100% in lock step with the idea that if a crime is alleged to be committed, and rape is a crime, that the entire thing be handled by the criminal justice system, the police, the prosecutor and the courts.

It is mind boggling to me that the schools keep sticking their noses into these situations when any sane person would be running for the goddamn hills.

These people are all over 18 when this stuff happens so there should be no expectation of "en loco parentis" .

[–]portugalthephilosoph 21ポイント22ポイント  (5子コメント)

It does behoove universities to handle some crimes in-house. If a minor is caught drinking in college, it is much more advantageous for everyone involved for the student to be punished by the school--in the form of a fine, community service, whatever--than for them to have that MIP on their record forever. The same goes for things like drug possession.

Rape, though.... idk. It's a different story. But the incidences of date-rape on campus are (apparently) increasing. Whether that is in incidence or reporting is up for debate. Letting the school handle those incidents can, in some situations, also be advantageous for all parties.

[–]jankyalias 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

There actually isn't any evidence of rape rates of any kind increasing on US campuses. In fact, non-college going people are generally much more likely to be raped. Not that that means there is an epidemic of that ongoing either. Of course even one rape is too many rapes, but the figures often trotted out (1 in 4 for example) are widely debunked. It's a typical case of moral panic, not unlike the Satanic Ritual Abuse scare in the 1980s. Look that one up on wiki for a bizarre story.

[–]NotRoryWilliams 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I haven't researched this subject so I have no numerical basis for any opinions. However, I've seen quite a lot of discussion of campus rape, and anecdotally speaking, there's a lot going on in the college environment that makes it an environment conducive to rape. First and foremost, it's a truly excellent place to meet legitimate sex partners, and by extension, a great place to meet not quite legitimate partners, or more to the point, for the interaction which becomes date rape to begin. By definition, date rape is more likely to commence, well, when you know someone of the opposite sex and go into a date-like scenario with them. This happens more on college campuses than in the general sphere of public spaces, because people on college campuses are disproportionately young, single, sexually active, and conventionally attractive.

Meanwhile, there's often an environment that encourages sexual liberty and conquest, and there are fraternities and sororities where sexual misconduct is not necessarily discouraged, and sporting organizations which might place particular emphasis on aggressive male sexuality in certain circumstances.

If legitimate statistics demonstrate that rape is no more likely on or near a college campus than elsewhere, I would be very surprised. If college students don't represent a disproportionate fraction of rape victims, I would be very surprised. And of course, if college students don't represent a disproportionate fraction of actual rape perpetrators, I would be moderately surprised. But I have a lot of doubts about the availability of accurate statistics about rape on college campuses. Campus policies often discourage the involvement of outside agencies until the school has completed its own investigation - that would artificially skew the numbers downward. Students may have a greater degree of peer pressure than the general public to be silent about rape, particularly in ambiguous situations or when the alleged rapist is particularly valuable to the school (athletes). And even upon reporting, there may be a disproportionate number of complaints that are dismissed by the school or abandoned/retracted by the student before reporting to any kind of external authority.

So basically, I find your assertion interesting, and if it has a basis in some research or source, I would love to read more about it.

[–]Revan343 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

So, victimless crimes shouldn't be turned over to the police to 'handle'.

Huh, how about that...

[–]karmapuhlease 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree that this is how I would design the system to function, but that's not how it works. Here's an explanation of how Title IX, part of a federal law, requires universities to handle violent sexual crimes.

[–]richb83 42ポイント43ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy shit. That really changes my outlook on this entire story. That guy should walk around with a towering pile of rejection letters from employers as part of an art project now.

[–]Vhaine 64ポイント65ポイント  (5子コメント)

That and she was allowed to walk at graduation with it. In my mind, that's a tacit endorsement. I'd be extremely surprised if it wasn't mentioned in the lawsuits.

[–]Andelyne 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

She was asked to put it aside for the graduation ceremony. She refused. I suspect that is why the Dean refused to shake her hand when he handed her a diploma.

[–]X019 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

He didn't refuse. They just walked by him.

[–]TheChance 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

I am completely unfamiliar with this case, but, as a general rule, if you know that something awkward is going to happen on camera, you skip it.

That is, if their discussion ahead of graduation had ended with, "I don't think I can stop you from walking with that thing, but I can't have a picture of me shaking your hand..."

...I wouldn't put it past anybody to walk past him, rather than getting filmed being snubbed.

[–]Vwyx 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm pretty sure I heard that he turned around for a drink of water when her section was called, and was occupied drinking it when she got to him. He didn't shake anyone's hand while he was drinking. She stopped for a second with her hand out, then kept walking. If there was an agreement, she didn't honor it.

[–]Morella_xx 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, yeah. Carrying the mattress around was her protesting against how she felt Columbia mishandled the investigation.

[–]ChickensDontClap90 99ポイント100ポイント  (5子コメント)

He is *currently suing the school. You also forgot to note the fact that she hired a PR firm to consult with her.

[–]genius-bar 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

and that her father is a rich psychiatrist. Hence the useless degree at an expensive school.

Kerry Jeff Sulkowicz is an American psychiatrist and the founder and managing principal of Boswell Group LLC, a consulting firm that advises business executives on the psychology of leadership and corporate management.

[–]nbf397 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not useless. It has the word "Columbia" on it.

[–]aceshighsays 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

What was her major?

[–]genius-bar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mattress Performance (Carry That Weight) (2014–2015) was a work of endurance performance art by Emma Sulkowicz, conducted as her senior thesis during the final year of her visual arts degree at Columbia University in New York.[1]

I looked up what you can do with that.

Major Employers of Visual Arts Majors:

  • Art studios
  • Government & private museums & galleries
  • Local historical societies
  • Auction houses, photography studios
  • Department stores
  • Public & private art schools
  • Adult & community programs
  • Libraries
  • Arts Councils
  • Rehabilitation Centers, retirement homes, hospitals
  • Apparel manufacturers
  • Interior design departments
  • Newspaper or publishing houses
  • Advertising agencies, magazines, newspapers and trade publications
  • Film & motion pictures and media producers

[–]odaal 8ポイント9ポイント  (40子コメント)

Uh, what does 'triggering' mean?

[–]LysergicDiethylaMan 14ポイント15ポイント  (39子コメント)

It refers to Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, in which the victim of trauma may have a panic attack triggered by words or a depiction that pertains to the traumatic incident. Reddit loves to criticize "trigger warnings," and sees triggering people as a non-issue— when in actuality, it is very real and very serious. My brother is a veteran of both Iraq and Afghanistan, and he is still in therapy to this day. He was discharged 2 years ago. His mental state has gotten better, but it is still hard for him to watch films that depict war or read any news pertaining to military action.

[–]MightyBroseidon 28ポイント29ポイント  (10子コメント)

I completely agree that PTSD is a real and serious issue, but want to point something out here.

At least from what I've seen, reddit doesn't hate the concept of avoiding triggers and stuff like that for REAL issues, but the fake and attention-seeking ones.

I admit it is incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to differentiate the two completely, but the stance that some people take (personally, this calls to mind the social justice warrior concept that permeates the internet) that basically poses as real PTSD to garner attention.

That, to me, is what it seems like reddit disagrees with. Real, genuine PTSD, though? A terrible concept that does not deserve to be trivialized by people misusing it to garner attention. Its far too serious of an issue.

[–]odaal 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for the thorough reply, I've seen the term used a lot on Reddit but never fully understood what it meant. Cheers!

[–]Xdeser2 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Its not only for PTSD, either. Anyone with a conditon like PTSD or an Anxiety disorder can be triggered.

[–]LysergicDiethylaMan 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Right, absolutely. My mistake.

[–]Xdeser2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

no its all good, just adding to it

[–]478431188447 17ポイント18ポイント  (20子コメント)

"Trigger warnings" online aren't for veterans, they're for tumblrinas. We have NSFW/NSFL tags for things that might trigger someone with actual PTSD.

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      [–]MasterSaturday 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I'm pretty sure people realize that PTSD is an actual thing - what is criticized are Tumblrette-like people who use it for any little thing that they happen to not like.

      [–]LysergicDiethylaMan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Oh, you mean like how anyone here just writes off social commentary as being an "SJW"?

      [–]Psyche_deli[S] 109ポイント110ポイント  (26子コメント)

      shiiiit good summary... I don't know whether to feel really sorry for her or think she's an attention seeking bitch - so I'll keep my opinion to myself

      [–]r1243nags at people who flair wrong 128ポイント129ポイント  (2子コメント)

      hey, please tag your post as 'answered' from the settings right under the post. ^^

      [–]toke81 70ポイント71ポイント  (1子コメント)

      it didn't work....nag harder

      [–]Drakengard 53ポイント54ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The bigger issue is that she's gotten a lot of national attention - even invitations to the White House, etc. - over her "ordeal."

      It's really sad and pathetic, but not entirely unexpected given how dumb and focused on pandering a lot of administrative people are in business, government and education.

      [–]Mr_honesty_ 31ポイント32ポイント  (10子コメント)

      Yeah that's the best, only those two know what really happened, if she's lying then this is not the first and last women lying and screaming rape because the guy didn't want to commit to her.

      But if this really happened then I'm guessing she's kinda fucked up for doing this campaign and making a porn movie about her rape, all the evidence tells she's lying, but hey, I'm not judging, evidence tells it all.

      [–]istara 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

      It's possible to genuinely feel you were raped, even though you were fully consenting at the time. For example, you regret it so bitterly afterwards - or are shamed into regretting it - that you "feel violated" or dirty or whatever.

      I wonder if that's why this woman felt trauma? Given the claims about the text messages she sent him, maybe she expected more and felt he breached that expectation and "used" her?

      While if this is the case my sympathy for her is pretty limited (and non-existent given the impact on his life, assuming he's innocent) I can believe she is genuinely traumatised by the choice she made and its circumstances.

      [–]byrdan 15ポイント16ポイント  (6子コメント)

      I think you're overstating the frequency and/or danger of false accusations for these kind of reasons.

      I was on campus during a lot of this so I'm definitely familiar with how things are controversial with this case. Talking about certain parts of the case and how it was handled by different parties is one thing, but merely categorizing it as "not the first or last time" gives an impression that that is some sort of popular pattern or just a way way more common of a thing than it is.

      [–]reversememe 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

      way way more common of a thing that it is

      Presented without comment.

      Regardless, how common a crime is should not have any bearing on the necessity for impartial justice.

      [–]byrdan 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

      http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

      The wiki article summarizes and links several studies, but it seems the absolute highest amount found is 10%, with most studies being much lower. And among those, not all of them are the "spurned lover" scenario.

      And of course due process is paramount, but it's a completely different thing to walk in to the case saying

      "did the reported assault or similar events worthy of investigation and prosecution occur,"

      as opposed to,

      "did you actually get raped, or are you another one of those spurned women who is exacting revenge?"

      [–]therapy 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

      That is the amount of confirmed false accusations. The majority of cases are left in a "limbo" state, neither clearly confirmed as valid or as invalid. This is not surprising, as many of these cases have little in the way of evidence, with it being hard to determine if consent was present or not.

      (For example, see this study; the abstract mentions the 10% figure, but read the details: less than half of the cases were able to proceed, most of them were undecided due to lack of evidence or the complainant withdrew the complaint, etc.)

      Rape is a horrible crime, and one of the ways in which it is bad is how hard it can be to prove it later. But that means we also cannot know the amount of false accusations. It is at least 10% or a similar figure, because those cases are provably false, but it is necessarily higher, because false accusations are not necessarily easy to prove as false, just like true accusations are not.

      tl;dr: People using the 10% figure to argue that 90% of accusations are true are being dishonest.

      [–]478431188447 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah, 10% represents the lower bound in the study, so it must be between 10% and 90%.

      [–]ByrGenarHofoen 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      valiant effort, but you aren't gonna get anywhere with these fucking people

      [–]zazhx 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Is "not the first or last time" untrue? Does it really give that impression? Or are you just seeing what you want to see so you can say your bit about false rape accusations? Are you just seeing what you want to see so you can give the impression that this might not have been a false rape accusation?

      [–]pettylarceny 21ポイント22ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Regardless of how you see the issue, you probably shouldn't be applying to TRP to hear about hot-button issues dealing with women or rape or feminism or gender relations or art or university or anything, really.

      [–]lucas_brunelle -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      "Hey, have you heard of the oil spill in Alaska?"

      "Sure, but regardless of how you see the issue, you probably shouldn't take into consideration Greenpeace's press release."

      I think you're missing the point, it's not about TRP, but about the mattress girl and how much of a liar she is.

      [–]Vhaine -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

      It's important you only get information from non-biased places like the State of the Union, School Newspapers, SJW Professors, Rolling Stone, NBC, or literally everyone else that painted this guy up like hitler without so much as even a show trial. Right? The kid was railroaded. He's was tried, convicted, and socially/financially executed despite an overwhelming amount of reasonable doubt in an extremely public space. All of the people who should have been putting breaks on that train where shoveling coal despite any doubts.

      How many of these stories have we had in the last few years? If the conventional sources aren't fulfilling their obligations then alternate sources will do it in the name of their own self interests. Echo chambers beget echo chambers. By refusing to acknowledge situations like this one, you validate more extreme view points.

      [–]pettylarceny 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

      That's not what I said. There's a middle ground between "balanced alternate perspective to the left wing's treatment of gender issues" and TRP.

      [–]unemasculatable 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      literally everyone else that painted this guy up like hitler

      You literally used that word incorrectly.

      [–]grocket 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's really hard to say from a distance, and I'm no expert, but I think she might have borderline personality disorder. This rape porn video only adds more evidence.

      [–]Send_a_kind_pm 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Hey! Mark it as answered!

      [–]brningpyre 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Edit the flair on your post to be "Answered".

      [–]DrStalker 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Doesn't she also have a history of making unsubstantiated rape claims? I'm not sure if I'm mixing her up with someone else though.

      [–]MarcusDavidson 36ポイント37ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You are thinking of Crystal Gail Mangum whose false accusations precipitated the Duke Lacrosse Rape Scandal

      [–]andorrak 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

      So definitely a crazy chick?

      [–]IAMA_Drunk_Armadillo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Probably, the website she made to post the video which has apparently been taken down is really confusing, I seriously have no idea if she actually wanted people to watch it or not.

      [–]choomguy 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Umm, I think it's pretty apparent she made a false rape claim at this point. I also think it's accurate that she did not go to the police, maybe they investigated, but I have not seen that documented.

      So she doesn't go to the real police, she goes to the campus police, that's strke one. All she had to do was have a rape kit done and the accused would have been charged in this day and age. So the accused sued Columbia and her, and in the civil investigation, her social media history was exposed, pretty much exonerating the accused, andmaking it clear that she is a horndog and into kinky stuff with multiple partners. That would be strike two. Finally her porno movie comes out and if you haven't watched it, you probably should because that's strike three.

      The only place alledgedly belongs in your otherwise sound summary, is that the rape accusations mattress girl made are allegedly false.

      She clearly has an agenda to get notoriety to further her career in the gender studies arena. This kind of rape/performance art bullshit is becoming a vehicle for these kinds of nut jobs.

      [–]KonnichiNya 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Soon she's going to accuse her male counterpart in her porn art film of raping her on camera.

      [–]knarf68 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

      It's worse than that. She's accusing the viewers. In the text accompanying the video, she says this:

      Do not watch this video if your motives would upset me, my desires are unclear to you, or my nuances are indecipherable....If you watch this video without my consent, then I hope you reflect on your reasons for objectifying me and participating in my rape

      [–]TheRealMSteve 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      So... is it rape porn or anti-rapist hate porn?

      [–]knarf68 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yes.

      Well, actually, I guess it's phony rape porn and anti-phony rapist hate porn, since the rape didn't happen.

      [–]EstherandThyme 19ポイント20ポイント  (18子コメント)

      I say she was allegedly raped because honestly the facts don't add up. First are the dozens of texts sent by her after the supposed rape to her supposed rapist which were all "I love you please talk to me" in various ways.

      This by itself doesn't disprove it. When my friend was raped by her boyfriend, he was such a manipulative bastard that he managed to convince her that he was a victim and she was an awful person for saying no. She was so desperate to convince herself that she wasn't raped that she wrote him a love letter and begged him to take her back when he broke up with her. This was all at the same time that she was suffering from severe PTSD from the attack.

      [–]zazhx 26ポイント27ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Yes, well it certainly doesn't prove it either. And what happened to innocent until proven guilty? Not in public opinion apparently...

      [–]I_am_Rude 44ポイント45ポイント  (4子コメント)

      This by itself

      ... was not the only piece of suspicious activity that /u/Soren635 supplied to support his reasoning for saying "allegedly."

      [–]EstherandThyme 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

      That's true, but I just wanted to point out that that piece of evidence wasn't even necessarily evidence. Just in case someone reading knows someone who is raped, which is statistically practically a certainty, I don't want anyone thinking that this sort of behavior is super unusual or something that absolutely rules out that it really happened.

      [–]krazykman1 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

      You could say that about any piece of evidence by itself though?

      [–]GuitarBOSS 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

      For days prior, she was texting him about how she was in love with him and wanted him to have anal sex with her. He didn't really like her, but eventually gave in.

      It really seems like she's obsessed and she accused him of rape because he wasn't talking to her anymore after that.

      [–]Morella_xx 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Did you actually read the texts or are you going by what you heard? Because they both said affectionate things to each other quite often, invited the other one out, etc. Not a whole lot to lend credence to your "she was obsessed but he didn't like her" theory. They were friends who had occasionally hooked up in the past.

      [–]GuitarBOSS -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I'm not sure anymore. Do you have a link to the texts?

      [–]SayAllenthing 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I don't have a link, but I've seen one in other threads, so I know firsthand that such a link exists.

      Edit: Found it for you

      [–]OmicronPersei8 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It definitely suggests a different state of mind than she claims, and that I think most people recognize should be more acknowledged, to any fair open-minded, observer. It suggests that she is not the real victim here.

      [–]InlandThaiPanFry 10ポイント11ポイント  (9子コメント)

      "I love you please talk to me"

      "Fuck me in the butt"

      [–]ccSmiles 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Wow can't believe this actually got so much publicity. It's people like her that hurt the credibility of actual victims of rape.

      [–]mark_simus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I appreciate the summary! I saw a blurb about her but knew nothing of the situation. Thanks.

      [–]Spore2012 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      literally the definition of outrage porn

      [–]Omariamariaaa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This shit makes me so angry. People like her are the reason that actual rape victims are doubted. She needs to be knocked upside the head with that stupid mattress.

      [–]-Hegemon- 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      How could the guy's life have not been fucked up if he's known to have dated a girl that carried a mattress for months?

      [–]Gishin -3ポイント-2ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Everyone seems convinced it was proven she lied, but from what I understand the only thing is they couldn't prove she was raped. Somehow "can't prove you were raped" became "proved you weren't raped".

      EDIT: To the downvoters, it would be more constructive to explain where I'm wrong if you feel that way about it.

      [–]stln00b 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Ya know, when you have an absurdly low standard of proof like "Preponderance of Evidence" and the threat of losing your Title IX funding hanging over your head, colleges are invested in finding men guilty if sexual assault and abuse.

      However, this dude was found not responsible, not in one case but in 4 cases...he must have been a fucking Saint to walk away without being expelled.

      [–]paulfromatlanta -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Mattress Girl is a woman who was allegedly raped

      And beyond that, this really should stay unanswered on Reddit.

      [–]thechangbang 103ポイント104ポイント  (21子コメント)

      Hey, I can actually answer this with somewhat informed knowledge, and will try to be as unbiased as possible. I just graduated from Columbia and was in the same class as "Mattress Girl" Emma Sulkowicz. I also know the accused, Jean-Paul Nungesser, personally and have worked on projects and had classes with him.

      "Mattress Girl" comes from the performance art piece that Sulkowicz performed in response to her alleged rape from Nungesser. Her piece, which was also controversially her senior thesis, was that she would carry a twin XL mattress around to symbolize her burden from being a survivor of sexual assault. Immediately, the media made this project blow up, and many college campuses took up a "carry that weight" campaign across the country (a few internationally) where people symbolically carried mattresses, pillows, etc. in solidarity. This of course, was an empowering symbol to the 1 in four women who are the victim of sexual assault during her academic career. Many people immediately took to Emma's side as well as Columbia's "No Red Tape" movement, which is a group of sexual assault response activists, who were very vocal and controversial, as their methods have been criticized by sexual assault survivors.

      Nungesser, who studied abroad in Prague when this whole ordeal started blowing up, was radio silent, until a few pieces eventually emerged which talked with him, his parents, and eventually an infamous Daily Beast article by Cathy Young emerged which was seemingly damning to Sulkowicz's accusations, based on the facebook messages that Nungesser shared with The Daily Beast. Of course, this came under the scrutiny of feminists based on Cathy Young's history of writing against alleged rape victims and her pointed language against Sulkowicz and her misunderstanding of the behavior of rape survivors.

      That was the beginning of a huge mess of he-said-she-said and people on both ends of the spectrum came out. MRAs who of course sided with Nungesser calling Sulkowicz a liar and radical feminists who side with Sulkowicz calling Nungesser an obvious rapist. To Sulkowicz's discredit, more messages have been released when Nungesser sued Columbia for defamation of character for allowing Sulkowicz's project to count as credit after he was found "not responsible" for her rape, while to Nungesser's discredit, this is not his first case of being accused for rape, but he was found not responsible for each case, though sometimes after an appeals process that has been described as difficult and triggering to rape survivors from an ill-equipped system to handle cases of this nature. Regardless, "mattress girl's" project helped spark a national discussion about college sexual assault and response to it. Senator Gillibrand has appeared with Sulkowicz as well as member of No Red Tape to call for reform in this field. Unfortunately, this conversation has been derailed by the he-said-she-said nature of the Sulkowicz-Nungesser case, and the only thing that has been talked about recently is whether or not Nungesser actually raped Sulkowicz. ([Statistically, Only about 2% of all rape and related sex charges are determined to be false, and only about 40% of rapes are ever reported to the police, and this is partly because victims know that if their claim becomes public, their every behavior will be scrutinized, they will be shamed for their sexual history, and they will be labeled as lunatic, psychotic, paranoid, and manipulative](only about 40% of rapes are ever reported to the police, and this is partly because victims know that if their claim becomes public, their every behavior will be scrutinized, they will be shamed for their sexual history, and they will be labeled as lunatic, psychotic, paranoid, and manipulative.)). However, there is a case that Sulkowicz should not be the face of the movement if she was not, in fact, assaulted. Sulkowicz has claimed that she is an artist above an activist as well. This all compounds with the botched Rolling Stone piece which gave MRA arguments some credibility, but, in my opinion, it is good that there is a growing conversation about it all.

      During Graduation, Sulkowicz carried her mattress on stage, receiving some boos and a standing ovation from others, while mysteriously several posters emerged on campus that call her a "Pretty Little Liar".

      [–]lurker093287h 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This is a great answer, I've been trying to find out what the hell is going on with this. Just to add one or two things, both the 1 in 4 women and the 2% of cases statistics have been questioned (imo) pretty convincingly.

      the 1 in 4 stat was questioned in this article by noted feminist Emily Yoffre

      The Sexual Victimization of College Women, a 2000 study commissioned by the U.S. Department of Justice, is the basis for another widely cited statistic, even grimmer than the finding of CSA: that one in four college women will be raped. (An activist organization, One in Four, takes its name from the finding.) The study itself, however, found a completed rape rate among its respondents of 1.7 percent. How does a study that finds less than 2 percent of college women in a given year are raped become a 25 percent likelihood? In addition to the 1.7 percent of victims of completed rape, the survey found that another 1.1 percent experienced attempted rape. As the authors wrote, “[O]ne might conclude that the risk of rape victimization for college women is not high; ‘only’ about 1 in 36 college women (2.8 percent) experience a completed rape or attempted rape in an academic year.”

      But the authors go on to make several assumptions that ratchet up the risk. The study was carried out during the spring and asked women to describe any assaults experienced during that academic year. The researchers decided to double the numbers they received from their subjects, in order to extrapolate their findings over an entire calendar year, even as they acknowledged that this was “problematic,” as students rarely attend school for 12 months. That calculation brought the incidence figure to nearly 5 percent. Although college is designed to be a four-year experience, the authors note that it takes students “an average” of five years, so they then multiplied their newly-arrived-at 5 percent of student victims by five years, and thus they conclude: “The percentage of completed or attempted rape victimization among women in higher educational institutions might climb to between one-fifth and one-quarter.”

      In a footnote, the authors acknowledge that asserting that one-quarter of college students “might” be raped is not based on actual evidence: “These projections are suggestive. To assess accurately the victimization risk for women throughout a college career, longitudinal research following a cohort of female students across time is needed.” The one-fifth to one-quarter assertion would mean that young American college women are raped at a rate similar to women in Congo, where rape has been used as a weapon of war.

      She also says in a follow up that

      It turns out many of the studies rest on narrow samples or wildly extrapolated numbers. (Even New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, a co-sponsor of proposed legislation on campus sexual assault who appears briefly in the film, quietly took the “1 in 5” statistic off her website in December.)

      Also I don't know where "Only about 2% of all rape and related sex charges are determined to be false" comes from but I think it might be David Lisak who is one of two people who've done big reviews of false accusation cases. Just because it's easy to find Scott Alexander looks into this here

      The rate of false rape accusations is notoriously difficult to study, since researchers have no failsafe way of figuring out whether a given accusation is true or not. The leading scholar in the area, David Lisak, explains that the generally accepted methodology is to count a rape accusation as false “if there is a clear and credible admission [of falsehood] from the complainant, or strong evidential grounds”, and goes on to explain what these grounds might be:

      For example, if key elements of a victim’s account were internally inconsistent and directly contradicted by multiple witnesses and if the victim then altered those key elements of his or her account, investigators might conclude that the report was false

      Attempts to use this methodology return varying results. Lisak lists seven studies he considers credible, which find false accusation rates of 2.1%, 2.5%, 3.0%, 5.9%, 6.8%, 8.3%, 10.3%, 10.9%. The two with 10%+ mysteriously go missing and thus we get the commonly quoted number of “two to eight percent”, which is repeated by sources as diverse as Alas, A Blog, Slate, and Wikipedia (Straight Statistics keeps the original 2% – 10% number)

      [–]ThePraetor 25ポイント26ポイント  (7子コメント)

      I find it interesting how inflated the 1 in 4 site's stats seem to be compared to the BJS stats here. If 25% of college women have been raped or sexually assaulted, but only 2.1 in 1000 women (less than 1%) in general were raped or sexually assaulted in 2010, then one of the stats must be incorrect. The BJS stats note that, between 2005 and 2010, the rate of rape among 18-34 year old women was 3.7/1000. That's .37%. Now, say that only 11% of college women who experience rape report it to the police, as the 1 in 4 site posits. 11% is about 1 in 10, so we could multiply the BJS statistic of .37% by 10 and come up with 3.7%, which is nowhere close to 25%. You'd have to have about 1 in 75 18-34 year old women report their rapes to get close to the 25% claim. The enormous discrepancies between the BJS and the 1 in 4 site make me question whether 1 in 4 is using a far more expansive definition of rape than the BJS, or whether they're fudging statistics to push an agenda. Indeed, their page seems to push something called the "Men's Program," with which I am unfamiliar.

      [–]weetchex 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

      If 25% of college women have been raped or sexually assaulted, but only 2.1 in 1000 women (less than 1%) in general were raped or sexually assaulted in 2010, then one of the stats must be incorrect.

      IIRC, to get their shocking statistic that proved there is a rape epidemic on our college campuses, they basically defined any sexual encounter where the female had consumed alchohol as non-consentual and therefore rape.

      By that reasoning, the 25% figure always seemed a bit low to me.

      [–]SegregationForever 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Mmm hmm, it doesn't work out mathematically. Part of me wonders if this is pure and unbridled dishonesty for the purpose of driving an agenda, and another part of me wonders if they really just don't know any better.

      Statistics can be easily manipulated to serve an agenda. The "1 in 4" statistic was originally gathered from a survey with (a) small and unrepresentative samples, (b) misleading questions and an overly broad definition of rape, and (c) a low response rate. Out of all available data, why did they choose this blatantly flawed questionnaire? I'll leave it up to others to speculate why.

      You can prove anything with a survey if you want. All you have to do is adjust the questions and draw answers from them. In the "1 in 4" survey above, one of the questions was "Have you ever had sex while under the influence of alcohol or drugs?" Students who answered "Yes" were deemed to be rape victims with no further investigation. Anyone with any understanding of law knows that alcohol consumption before sex does not make all consent during the act null.

      [–]Tullyswimmer 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      It's also like the paper that "found" that 97% of scientists think that there's a "significant human element" to global warming.

      The paper surveyed over 3000 scientists, 79 of which declared "climate science" as their major field of study, AND had recently had their work published in a peer-reviewe field. Of those 79, 76 said answered "yes" (As you'd expect that of someone who's being published in peer-reviewed climate science journals). 76 of 79 is 97%. So therefore of the 3000+ scientists surveyed, since 76 of them said yes, it represents 97% of scientists.

      Statistics can always be molded to fit an agenda.

      [–]Grandy12 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Am I misreading you, or are you saying they only considered the scientists which had fields of study relevant to the question being asked?

      [–]Tullyswimmer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'm saying they were extremely specific about their sample, and very misleading with their statement.

      First of all, there are many, many, many fields of scientific study that would, or could, have valid opinions on global warming cause and effect. Meteorology, Geology, Oceanography, Biology, even Astronomy and Physics. "Climate" is an extremely broad term.

      Second, they surveyed over 3000 scientists, and with about 2.5% of them came up with a blanket statement of "97% of scientists". Not even "climate scientists" but it implies there was an almost unanimous scientific consensus.

      The 2009 study talked about here, about a quarter of the way down the page, says that number was derived from a two-question survey, of selected scientists, that asked if global temperatures have risen and are humans a significant contributing factor.

      Another study, done in 2013, had even bigger problems despite arriving at the same 97% number. (It was based off the IPCC reports, which are largely based off the 2009 study....)

      [–]speech-geekToo much time on my hands 24ポイント25ポイント  (6子コメント)

      This is the best answer OP. A well rounded argument from both sides that illustrates how controversial this topic and the people involved is.

      [–]Andrew_Squared 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Meh, injecting personal opinion and dodgy statistics killed it for me.

      This of course, was an empowering symbol to the 1 in four women who are the victim of sexual assault during her academic career[1]

      [–]headless_bourgeoisie 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

      What's dodgy about that statistic?

      [–]muddynips 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

      It's a bum stat.

      Here is a feminist article discussing the flaws with the statistic.

      It was a self-reported (zero fact-checking) telephone survey of 3000 women that asked carefully structured questions about encounters in order to trend the sexual assault stat as high as possible. The "1 in 4" line is an irresponsible and simplistic combination of those responses.

      Newer and more accurate studies put the number much lower, especially when checked against false rape allegations. Which is not to say at all that rape is not a big deal. Big issue, bad stat.

      [–]vikinickfor, while 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The problem is that the original study wasn't clear on what they determined to be sexual assaults, because it didn't outright go out and ask "were you sexually assaulted?" and used that statistic. It asked several questions about whether the woman was "talked into it,"which was put Into the "sexually assaulted" pile, along with several other experiences which not everyone would consider sexual assault.

      Sexual assault is serious, it just isn't as widespread as that 1 in 4 statistic, unless you agree with their definition of sexual assault.

      [–]thechangbang 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      There's are a lot of uninformed comments on the frequency of college sexual assault and false reports (presumably because OP was linked, to the topic from TRP originally) so I, admittedly, did insert some statistics regarding that, to get some of the other side down, but I only tried to do so with citable evidence, and kept my tone down as best I could. I truly side with neither Emma nor Paul, however, and have extensively talked to people who believe everything from every side while at Columbia, it was a hot topic.

      [–]thewoodendesk 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Good summary. I don't see why so many people are taking a definite side instead of being skeptical about both parties.

      [–]dotoent 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Thanks for that. I had no idea he had been accused of rape before, a salient point that the rest of reddit is omitting. This site is good until it comes to issues where the majority feel attacked, then it devolves into us against them bs.

      [–]Werner__Herzog 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      From what I'm understanding the University decided about whether or not he was guilty (or, as you said, responsible). Why is it that universities decide that kind of thing and not a court?

      [–]karmapuhlease 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      During Graduation, Sulkowicz carried her mattress on stage, receiving some boos and a standing ovation from others, while mysteriously several posters emerged on campus that call her a "Pretty Little Liar".

      Are there any videos of this?

      [–]mosmexpert-level Googler -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      while mysteriously several posters emerged on campus that call her a "Pretty Little Liar".

      Maybe that's someone's senior thesis as well.

      [–]NitsujTPU 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Admitting to frequenting /r/TheRedPill is a bold move, Cotton. Let's see how it pays off!

      [–]PureAntimatter 97ポイント98ポイント  (6子コメント)

      She ruined her ex-lovers life and school career with unsubstantiated allegations.

      [–]DEMAG 38ポイント39ポイント  (2子コメント)

      A recent Columbia University graduate, who claimed that a fellow student raped her. She claims the university suppresed her allegations and the other student was not prosecuted. In an act of protest she would carry the mattress she was raped on around campus including during her graduation ceremony.

      [–]dbarefoot 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Just to round this off a little, the woman's name is Emma Sulkowicz and carrying that mattress is both a protest and a performance art piece called Carry That Weight.

      [–]mtm5891 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This happened at Columbia College Chicago, not Columbia University.

      [–]hockeyrugby 23ポイント24ポイント  (4子コメント)

      I thought this was a god article that gives the accused side of the story. Basically when you see what this guy went through and the lack of due process he was afforded you see why this is such a polarizing and pertinent issue.

      http://www.zeit.de/studium/uni-leben/2015-05/columbia-university-sexual-assault-trial

      [–]IceburgSlimk 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

      A god article is a bit of an exaggeration!!

      [–]red_storm_risen 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I didn't think the Higgs oson could do that.

      [–]Andrew_Squared 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I didn't think the Higgs oson could do that.

      It can't, but Higgs Boson could!

      [–]FarkCookies 9ポイント10ポイント  (14子コメント)

      I recommend to read this article. This is interesting bit that kinda got unnoticed:

      As the party was wrapping up, they started talking in the courtyard, then began to hug and kiss and ended up going back to Sulkowicz’s dorm room—at her invitation, according to Nungesser. He says he had consumed two mixed drinks and was “buzzed, but not intoxicated or anything.” (Sulkowicz has previously described him as “drunk” during the incident.)

      Wait a second, she actually raped him? Sex with drunk person is rape!

      [–]eyeHobo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Double fucking standards.

      [–]stanley_twobrick -3ポイント-2ポイント  (12子コメント)

      Sex with drunk person is rape!

      lol what?

      [–]Mr122 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Someone post that video where someone asks for consent every ten seconds.

      [–]pompousrompus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Ugh

      • edit: Knockoff Macklemore's fucking mouth noises are going to make me barf

      [–]FarkCookies 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

      That is what they say. Drunk = no consent. No consent = rape. This argument is all over reddit. Well you can see that there is pretty hot discussions going on.

      Edit, example:

      Illinois law In the state of Illinois "sexual assault" or rape, is a felony and could result in an individual being sentenced to time in prison. It is defined as penetration (could be oral, anal, or vaginal), by force or threat of force, or when the victim is unable to give knowing consent. If an individual is "incapacitated from drugs or alcohol" (i.e. drunk) they cannot give consent. Having sex with someone who is drunk, is by definition, a crime.

      [–]AUT2M 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

      If you're drunk you legally can't consent (if you're a women that is) so she raped him.

      [–]PopShark 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Legally it has nothing to do with your sex/gender. Even a drop of alcohol in your system in many jurisdictions = legally can't consent.

      [–]shaneathan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      In a lot of colleges, and I believe a few cities/states, a drunk person can't give consent. Designed as a protection for women, it's become kind of a weird point to bring up- If both are intoxicated- Not buzzed, but actually drunk, how can it be rape if neither can legally give consent. So it's sort of a point that got brought up that because she described him as drunk, she technically raped him by those standards.

      [–]felixjawesome 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

      [–]damacugetting in the loop of things 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      What if you work at an Art Institute or Univ or gallery or art museum? Is it still NSFW?

      [–]felixjawesome 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Interesting question. I work at an art museum and I still consider it "NSFW." Not so much the article, but the video contains explicit and disturbing sexual imagery and violence.

      It depends on the institution and as a challenging performance piece it should be viewed in the proper context.

      [–]MrFatalistic 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

      I don't down play female rape, I think it's a very serious issue, a very hard to handle one because of women like this. I don't know why male rape or more commonly, false rape accusations are ignored or hand waved, a ridiculous double standard.

      I was almost falsely accused of rape (she only backed down after I said I would do everything in my power to legally fight it) and then days later told me she was pregnant with my baby (was pregnant, just not mine). The fact I felt like a huge asshole when she was clearly manipulating me the entire time, that I showed up after she delivered with boppy/supplies when I should have been noping the fuck out of there. It's almost a version of rape in itself, it fucks with your head forever.

      That said I still find baby daddy jokes funny, not going full victim here.

      [–]Dakrys 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I don't down play female rape

      I think this is a lot of the problem. I'm not trying to call you out or anything, but there's a serious perception that men can't be raped which sets a really dangerous culture where men are by nature aggressors and that women are by nature victims.

      There have been classes taught for women about how to avoid situations where they can be taken advantage of. Don't take a drink from a stranger, don't leave your drink lying around, etc.

      Instead, we should be teaching men how to not rape people, right? Because it goes against our rapist nature to not take advantage of women, right?

      Sorry, it's kind of a huge topic at the moment. Feminists don't want to deal with anything that victim blames which is fair to a point. But the recent culture of, "women don't lie about rape" and "he obviously wanted it" really rustles my jimmies.

      [–]Rubykuby 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Instead, we should be teaching men how to not rape people, right?

      I'm not certain whether that was sarcasm or not, but I do not think there is a single mentally sound person who thinks that rape is a-okay. "Teaching men not to rape" is the most absurd thing that keeps popping up, because there's nothing to teach. The people who rape are fully aware that they're in breach of societal rules and are violating someone else. Unless they're mentally bananas, but that's a different subject.

      It's much more reasonable to teach the concept of consent to all teenagers. And while you're at it, append some basic self-defence and assertiveness stuff as well.

      In the Netherlands, I had this stuff handled in school primarily during biology, first/second year of secondary education. The handled topics were:

      • How the body works
      • How pregnancy works
      • How menstruation works
      • How sex works
      • How STDs work
      • How to prevent STDs and pregnancy (this had a lot of focus, thank God)
      • How to determine when you're ready for sex
      • How to instigate sex in a consensual manner
      • That it's okay to say no at any stage, and that there is no obligation whatsoever to say yes

      I'd like to believe that most people learnt from those classes. There was no "how not to rape" section.

      Additionally, there is no "teach men not to rape" wahooha in this country.

      [–]MrFatalistic 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That was the point I was trying to make, they're not treated equally at all, even to the point that they'll make the case that the numbers aren't significant enough to matter. Traditionally shit said by far right to dismiss rape concerns in the past is now being said by the left.

      SRS is hilarious for this sort of behavior, they'll point out stories like mine and snark about peenz or something, something they'd find disgusting if it were done to women.

      [–]double2 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This stinks of red-pillers just finding alternative means of promoting their shitpost.

      [–]Triert -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      A girl who lied about rape and is now getting special treatment from Obama because the democrats want to make sure they get the female vote when it's time for Hilary