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[–]Soren635 565ポイント566ポイント  (181子コメント)

Mattress Girl is a woman who was allegedly raped by an ex lover. As a symbol of how poorly the school handled the rape she decided to carry around a mattress until she graduated which was recently. Also she made a "movie" to reenact her alleged rape, which most people think is actually just a porn film.

I say she was allegedly raped because honestly the facts don't add up. First are the dozens of texts sent by her after the supposed rape to her supposed rapist which were all "I love you please talk to me" in various ways. Secondly was the fact that, instead of only using the mattress as a symbol for how poorly the school handled it, she was also allowed to do this as an art project for her class and got school credit for this. Finally, and most recently, the film she released which "recreated her rape" was done after she told the police during her testimony that she couldn't talk about the rape as it was too triggering so she could give no details.

So there was a ton of sketchy behaviour from her but the ex lover's story and facts checked out so the police dropped the investigation. The guys life is still pretty ruined as this whole mattress campaign pretty much made everyone think he was a rapist and his name was all over the news. So last I heard of him he sued the school for allowing a smear campaign. Don't know if he won or not but a part of me hopes he won a lot of money.

[–]ChickensDontClap90 39ポイント40ポイント  (0子コメント)

He is *currently suing the school. You also forgot to note the fact that she hired a PR firm to consult with her.

[–]Something_Syck 227ポイント228ポイント  (76子コメント)

a key detail you left out is that the school allowed her to get art credit for slandering this guys reputation with her mattress project after the university determined he was innocent.

[–]wellitsbouttime 100ポイント101ポイント  (15子コメント)

yep. cops looked in to it. found nothing. school looked in to it. found nothing. then the smear campaign happened.

[–]Valisk 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

what is truly incomprehensible is why is the school involved.

The school, ALL colleges should be 100% in lock step with the idea that if a crime is alleged to be committed, and rape is a crime, that the entire thing be handled by the criminal justice system, the police, the prosecutor and the courts.

It is mind boggling to me that the schools keep sticking their noses into these situations when any sane person would be running for the goddamn hills.

These people are all over 18 when this stuff happens so there should be no expectation of "en loco parentis" .

[–]portugalthephilosoph 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It does behoove universities to handle some crimes in-house. If a minor is caught drinking in college, it is much more advantageous for everyone involved for the student to be punished by the school--in the form of a fine, community service, whatever--than for them to have that MIP on their record forever. The same goes for things like drug possession.

Rape, though.... idk. It's a different story. But the incidences of date-rape on campus are (apparently) increasing. Whether that is in incidence or reporting is up for debate. Letting the school handle those incidents can, in some situations, also be advantageous for all parties.

[–]Vhaine 45ポイント46ポイント  (5子コメント)

That and she was allowed to walk at graduation with it. In my mind, that's a tacit endorsement. I'd be extremely surprised if it wasn't mentioned in the lawsuits.

[–]Andelyne 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

She was asked to put it aside for the graduation ceremony. She refused. I suspect that is why the Dean refused to shake her hand when he handed her a diploma.

[–]X019 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

He didn't refuse. They just walked by him.

[–]TheChance 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

I am completely unfamiliar with this case, but, as a general rule, if you know that something awkward is going to happen on camera, you skip it.

That is, if their discussion ahead of graduation had ended with, "I don't think I can stop you from walking with that thing, but I can't have a picture of me shaking your hand..."

...I wouldn't put it past anybody to walk past him, rather than getting filmed being snubbed.

[–]Vwyx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm pretty sure I heard that he turned around for a drink of water when her section was called, and was occupied drinking it when she got to him. He didn't shake anyone's hand while he was drinking. She stopped for a second with her hand out, then kept walking. If there was an agreement, she didn't honor it.

[–]richb83 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy shit. That really changes my outlook on this entire story. That guy should walk around with a towering pile of rejection letters from employers as part of an art project now.

[–]Morella_xx 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, yeah. Carrying the mattress around was her protesting against how she felt Columbia mishandled the investigation.

[–]Psyche_deli[S] 97ポイント98ポイント  (19子コメント)

shiiiit good summary... I don't know whether to feel really sorry for her or think she's an attention seeking bitch - so I'll keep my opinion to myself

[–]r1243nags at people who flair wrong 93ポイント94ポイント  (1子コメント)

hey, please tag your post as 'answered' from the settings right under the post. ^^

[–]toke81 45ポイント46ポイント  (0子コメント)

it didn't work....nag harder

[–]Drakengard 45ポイント46ポイント  (0子コメント)

The bigger issue is that she's gotten a lot of national attention - even invitations to the White House, etc. - over her "ordeal."

It's really sad and pathetic, but not entirely unexpected given how dumb and focused on pandering a lot of administrative people are in business, government and education.

[–]Mr_honesty_ 32ポイント33ポイント  (8子コメント)

Yeah that's the best, only those two know what really happened, if she's lying then this is not the first and last women lying and screaming rape because the guy didn't want to commit to her.

But if this really happened then I'm guessing she's kinda fucked up for doing this campaign and making a porn movie about her rape, all the evidence tells she's lying, but hey, I'm not judging, evidence tells it all.

[–]byrdan 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

I think you're overstating the frequency and/or danger of false accusations for these kind of reasons.

I was on campus during a lot of this so I'm definitely familiar with how things are controversial with this case. Talking about certain parts of the case and how it was handled by different parties is one thing, but merely categorizing it as "not the first or last time" gives an impression that that is some sort of popular pattern or just a way way more common of a thing than it is.

[–]reversememe 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

way way more common of a thing that it is

Presented without comment.

Regardless, how common a crime is should not have any bearing on the necessity for impartial justice.

[–]byrdan 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

The wiki article summarizes and links several studies, but it seems the absolute highest amount found is 10%, with most studies being much lower. And among those, not all of them are the "spurned lover" scenario.

And of course due process is paramount, but it's a completely different thing to walk in to the case saying

"did the reported assault or similar events worthy of investigation and prosecution occur,"

as opposed to,

"did you actually get raped, or are you another one of those spurned women who is exacting revenge?"

[–]therapy 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

That is the amount of confirmed false accusations. The majority of cases are left in a "limbo" state, neither clearly confirmed as valid or as invalid. This is not surprising, as many of these cases have little in the way of evidence, with it being hard to determine if consent was present or not.

(For example, see this study; the abstract mentions the 10% figure, but read the details: less than half of the cases were able to proceed, most of them were undecided due to lack of evidence or the complainant withdrew the complaint, etc.)

Rape is a horrible crime, and one of the ways in which it is bad is how hard it can be to prove it later. But that means we also cannot know the amount of false accusations. It is at least 10% or a similar figure, because those cases are provably false, but it is necessarily higher, because false accusations are not necessarily easy to prove as false, just like true accusations are not.

tl;dr: People using the 10% figure to argue that 90% of accusations are true are being dishonest.

[–]478431188447 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, 10% represents the lower bound in the study, so it must be between 10% and 90%.

[–]ByrGenarHofoen 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

valiant effort, but you aren't gonna get anywhere with these fucking people

[–]zazhx 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is "not the first or last time" untrue? Does it really give that impression? Or are you just seeing what you want to see so you can say your bit about false rape accusations? Are you just seeing what you want to see so you can give the impression that this might not have been a false rape accusation?

[–]pettylarceny 20ポイント21ポイント  (5子コメント)

Regardless of how you see the issue, you probably shouldn't be applying to TRP to hear about hot-button issues dealing with women or rape or feminism or gender relations or art or university or anything, really.

[–]lucas_brunelle 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Hey, have you heard of the oil spill in Alaska?"

"Sure, but regardless of how you see the issue, you probably shouldn't take into consideration Greenpeace's press release."

I think you're missing the point, it's not about TRP, but about the mattress girl and how much of a liar she is.

[–]grocket 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's really hard to say from a distance, and I'm no expert, but I think she might have borderline personality disorder. This rape porn video only adds more evidence.

[–]DrStalker 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

Doesn't she also have a history of making unsubstantiated rape claims? I'm not sure if I'm mixing her up with someone else though.

[–]MarcusDavidson 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are thinking of Crystal Gail Mangum whose false accusations precipitated the Duke Lacrosse Rape Scandal

[–]odaal 3ポイント4ポイント  (30子コメント)

Uh, what does 'triggering' mean?

[–]LysergicDiethylaMan 9ポイント10ポイント  (29子コメント)

It refers to Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, in which the victim of trauma may have a panic attack triggered by words or a depiction that pertains to the traumatic incident. Reddit loves to criticize "trigger warnings," and sees triggering people as a non-issue— when in actuality, it is very real and very serious. My brother is a veteran of both Iraq and Afghanistan, and he is still in therapy to this day. He was discharged 2 years ago. His mental state has gotten better, but it is still hard for him to watch films that depict war or read any news pertaining to military action.

[–]odaal 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for the thorough reply, I've seen the term used a lot on Reddit but never fully understood what it meant. Cheers!

[–]MightyBroseidon 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I completely agree that PTSD is a real and serious issue, but want to point something out here.

At least from what I've seen, reddit doesn't hate the concept of avoiding triggers and stuff like that for REAL issues, but the fake and attention-seeking ones.

I admit it is incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to differentiate the two completely, but the stance that some people take (personally, this calls to mind the social justice warrior concept that permeates the internet) that basically poses as real PTSD to garner attention.

That, to me, is what it seems like reddit disagrees with. Real, genuine PTSD, though? A terrible concept that does not deserve to be trivialized by people misusing it to garner attention. Its far too serious of an issue.

[–]LysergicDiethylaMan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really? Because it doesn't seem like that's what Reddit takes issue with. It seems like reddit takes issue with people being sensitive to anything at all. Say something offensive, and it's like "whoa you can't be offended, it's a joke." It seems to me like the userbase here doesn't want to think critically about anything they themselves haven't experienced directly, and shouts down anyone who tries to challenge the status quo of what people say around here. I've been using this site for a little under a month and I've already been able to observe that.

[–]Xdeser2 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Its not only for PTSD, either. Anyone with a conditon like PTSD or an Anxiety disorder can be triggered.

[–]LysergicDiethylaMan 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Right, absolutely. My mistake.

[–]Xdeser2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

no its all good, just adding to it

[–]478431188447 9ポイント10ポイント  (20子コメント)

"Trigger warnings" online aren't for veterans, they're for tumblrinas. We have NSFW/NSFL tags for things that might trigger someone with actual PTSD.

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      [–]MasterSaturday -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I'm pretty sure people realize that PTSD is an actual thing - what is criticized are Tumblrette-like people who use it for any little thing that they happen to not like.

      [–]LysergicDiethylaMan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Oh, you mean like how anyone here just writes off social commentary as being an "SJW"?

      [–]EstherandThyme 21ポイント22ポイント  (16子コメント)

      I say she was allegedly raped because honestly the facts don't add up. First are the dozens of texts sent by her after the supposed rape to her supposed rapist which were all "I love you please talk to me" in various ways.

      This by itself doesn't disprove it. When my friend was raped by her boyfriend, he was such a manipulative bastard that he managed to convince her that he was a victim and she was an awful person for saying no. She was so desperate to convince herself that she wasn't raped that she wrote him a love letter and begged him to take her back when he broke up with her. This was all at the same time that she was suffering from severe PTSD from the attack.

      [–]zazhx 16ポイント17ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Yes, well it certainly doesn't prove it either. And what happened to innocent until proven guilty? Not in public opinion apparently...

      [–]I_am_Rude 39ポイント40ポイント  (4子コメント)

      This by itself

      ... was not the only piece of suspicious activity that /u/Soren635 supplied to support his reasoning for saying "allegedly."

      [–]EstherandThyme 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

      That's true, but I just wanted to point out that that piece of evidence wasn't even necessarily evidence. Just in case someone reading knows someone who is raped, which is statistically practically a certainty, I don't want anyone thinking that this sort of behavior is super unusual or something that absolutely rules out that it really happened.

      [–]krazykman1 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

      You could say that about any piece of evidence by itself though?

      [–]EstherandThyme 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Yeah, in a court case, which this is not.

      [–]nonsensepoem 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah, in a court case, which this is not.

      "Let's lower our standards here as much as necessary until I'm right."

      [–]GuitarBOSS 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

      For days prior, she was texting him about how she was in love with him and wanted him to have anal sex with her. He didn't really like her, but eventually gave in.

      It really seems like she's obsessed and she accused him of rape because he wasn't talking to her anymore after that.

      [–]Morella_xx 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Did you actually read the texts or are you going by what you heard? Because they both said affectionate things to each other quite often, invited the other one out, etc. Not a whole lot to lend credence to your "she was obsessed but he didn't like her" theory. They were friends who had occasionally hooked up in the past.

      [–]GuitarBOSS 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I'm not sure anymore. Do you have a link to the texts?

      [–]andorrak 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      So definitely a crazy chick?

      [–]KonnichiNya 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Soon she's going to accuse her male counterpart in her porn art film of raping her on camera.

      [–]knarf68 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's worse than that. She's accusing the viewers. In the text accompanying the video, she says this:

      Do not watch this video if your motives would upset me, my desires are unclear to you, or my nuances are indecipherable....If you watch this video without my consent, then I hope you reflect on your reasons for objectifying me and participating in my rape

      [–]choomguy 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Umm, I think it's pretty apparent she made a false rape claim at this point. I also think it's accurate that she did not go to the police, maybe they investigated, but I have not seen that documented.

      So she doesn't go to the real police, she goes to the campus police, that's strke one. All she had to do was have a rape kit done and the accused would have been charged in this day and age. So the accused sued Columbia and her, and in the civil investigation, her social media history was exposed, pretty much exonerating the accused, andmaking it clear that she is a horndog and into kinky stuff with multiple partners. That would be strike two. Finally her porno movie comes out and if you haven't watched it, you probably should because that's strike three.

      The only place alledgedly belongs in your otherwise sound summary, is that the rape accusations mattress girl made are allegedly false.

      She clearly has an agenda to get notoriety to further her career in the gender studies arena. This kind of rape/performance art bullshit is becoming a vehicle for these kinds of nut jobs.

      [–]mark_simus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I appreciate the summary! I saw a blurb about her but knew nothing of the situation. Thanks.

      [–]Gishin 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Everyone seems convinced it was proven she lied, but from what I understand the only thing is they couldn't prove she was raped. Somehow "can't prove you were raped" became "proved you weren't raped".

      EDIT: To the downvoters, it would be more constructive to explain where I'm wrong if you feel that way about it.

      [–]stln00b 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Ya know, when you have an absurdly low standard of proof like "Preponderance of Evidence" and the threat of losing your Title IX funding hanging over your head, colleges are invested in finding men guilty if sexual assault and abuse.

      However, this dude was found not responsible, not in one case but in 4 cases...he must have been a fucking Saint to walk away without being expelled.

      [–]Gishin -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah, he probably didn't do it. It just seems like a double standard to judge someone without definitive proof they did something wrong.

      I personally have no idea. So I'm not going to call him a rapist, but I also won't call her a liar.

      [–]thechangbang 56ポイント57ポイント  (10子コメント)

      Hey, I can actually answer this with somewhat informed knowledge, and will try to be as unbiased as possible. I just graduated from Columbia and was in the same class as "Mattress Girl" Emma Sulkowicz. I also know the accused, Jean-Paul Nungesser, personally and have worked on projects and had classes with him.

      "Mattress Girl" comes from the performance art piece that Sulkowicz performed in response to her alleged rape from Nungesser. Her piece, which was also controversially her senior thesis, was that she would carry a twin XL mattress around to symbolize her burden from being a survivor of sexual assault. Immediately, the media made this project blow up, and many college campuses took up a "carry that weight" campaign across the country (a few internationally) where people symbolically carried mattresses, pillows, etc. in solidarity. This of course, was an empowering symbol to the 1 in four women who are the victim of sexual assault during her academic career. Many people immediately took to Emma's side as well as Columbia's "No Red Tape" movement, which is a group of sexual assault response activists, who were very vocal and controversial, as their methods have been criticized by sexual assault survivors.

      Nungesser, who studied abroad in Prague when this whole ordeal started blowing up, was radio silent, until a few pieces eventually emerged which talked with him, his parents, and eventually an infamous Daily Beast article by Cathy Young emerged which was seemingly damning to Sulkowicz's accusations, based on the facebook messages that Nungesser shared with The Daily Beast. Of course, this came under the scrutiny of feminists based on Cathy Young's history of writing against alleged rape victims and her pointed language against Sulkowicz and her misunderstanding of the behavior of rape survivors.

      That was the beginning of a huge mess of he-said-she-said and people on both ends of the spectrum came out. MRAs who of course sided with Nungesser calling Sulkowicz a liar and radical feminists who side with Sulkowicz calling Nungesser an obvious rapist. To Sulkowicz's discredit, more messages have been released when Nungesser sued Columbia for defamation of character for allowing Sulkowicz's project to count as credit after he was found "not responsible" for her rape, while to Nungesser's discredit, this is not his first case of being accused for rape, but he was found not responsible for each case, though sometimes after an appeals process that has been described as difficult and triggering to rape survivors from an ill-equipped system to handle cases of this nature. Regardless, "mattress girl's" project helped spark a national discussion about college sexual assault and response to it. Senator Gillibrand has appeared with Sulkowicz as well as member of No Red Tape to call for reform in this field. Unfortunately, this conversation has been derailed by the he-said-she-said nature of the Sulkowicz-Nungesser case, and the only thing that has been talked about recently is whether or not Nungesser actually raped Sulkowicz. ([Statistically, Only about 2% of all rape and related sex charges are determined to be false, and only about 40% of rapes are ever reported to the police, and this is partly because victims know that if their claim becomes public, their every behavior will be scrutinized, they will be shamed for their sexual history, and they will be labeled as lunatic, psychotic, paranoid, and manipulative](only about 40% of rapes are ever reported to the police, and this is partly because victims know that if their claim becomes public, their every behavior will be scrutinized, they will be shamed for their sexual history, and they will be labeled as lunatic, psychotic, paranoid, and manipulative.)). However, there is a case that Sulkowicz should not be the face of the movement if she was not, in fact, assaulted. Sulkowicz has claimed that she is an artist above an activist as well. This all compounds with the botched Rolling Stone piece which gave MRA arguments some credibility, but, in my opinion, it is good that there is a growing conversation about it all.

      During Graduation, Sulkowicz carried her mattress on stage, receiving some boos and a standing ovation from others, while mysteriously several posters emerged on campus that call her a "Pretty Little Liar".

      [–]ThePraetor 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I find it interesting how inflated the 1 in 4 site's stats seem to be compared to the BJS stats here. If 25% of college women have been raped or sexually assaulted, but only 2.1 in 1000 women (less than 1%) in general were raped or sexually assaulted in 2010, then one of the stats must be incorrect. The BJS stats note that, between 2005 and 2010, the rate of rape among 18-34 year old women was 3.7/1000. That's .37%. Now, say that only 11% of college women who experience rape report it to the police, as the 1 in 4 site posits. 11% is about 1 in 10, so we could multiply the BJS statistic of .37% by 10 and come up with 3.7%, which is nowhere close to 25%. You'd have to have about 1 in 75 18-34 year old women report their rapes to get close to the 25% claim. The enormous discrepancies between the BJS and the 1 in 4 site make me question whether 1 in 4 is using a far more expansive definition of rape than the BJS, or whether they're fudging statistics to push an agenda. Indeed, their page seems to push something called the "Men's Program," with which I am unfamiliar.

      [–]speech-geekToo much time on my hands 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

      This is the best answer OP. A well rounded argument from both sides that illustrates how controversial this topic and the people involved is.

      [–]Andrew_Squared 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Meh, injecting personal opinion and dodgy statistics killed it for me.

      This of course, was an empowering symbol to the 1 in four women who are the victim of sexual assault during her academic career[1]

      [–]headless_bourgeoisie 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

      What's dodgy about that statistic?

      [–]vikinickfor, while 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The problem is that the original study wasn't clear on what they determined to be sexual assaults, because it didn't outright go out and ask "were you sexually assaulted." It asked several questions about whether the woman was "talked into it,"which was put Into the "sexually assaulted" pile, along with several other experiences which not everyone would consider sexual assault.

      Sexual assault is serious, it just isn't as widespread as that 1 in 4 statistic, unless you agree with their definition of sexual assault.

      [–]thechangbang 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      There's are a lot of uninformed comments on the frequency of college sexual assault and false reports (presumably because OP was linked, to the topic from TRP originally) so I, admittedly, did insert some statistics regarding that, to get some of the other side down, but I only tried to do so with citable evidence, and kept my tone down as best I could. I truly side with neither Emma nor Paul, however, and have extensively talked to people who believe everything from every side while at Columbia, it was a hot topic.

      [–]Werner__Herzog 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      From what I'm understanding the University decided about whether or not he was guilty (or, as you said, responsible). Why is it that universities decide that kind of thing and not a court?

      [–]thewoodendesk 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Good summary. I don't see why so many people are taking a definite side instead of being skeptical about both parties.

      [–]dotoent -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Thanks for that. I had no idea he had been accused of rape before, a salient point that the rest of reddit is omitting. This site is good until it comes to issues where the majority feel attacked, then it devolves into us against them bs.

      [–]mosmexpert-level Googler -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      while mysteriously several posters emerged on campus that call her a "Pretty Little Liar".

      Maybe that's someone's senior thesis as well.

      [–]PureAntimatter 68ポイント69ポイント  (6子コメント)

      She ruined her ex-lovers life and school career with unsubstantiated allegations.

      [–]wellitsbouttime 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

      best tl;dr

      [–]DEMAG 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

      A recent Columbia University graduate, who claimed that a fellow student raped her. She claims the university suppresed her allegations and the other student was not prosecuted. In an act of protest she would carry the mattress she was raped on around campus including during her graduation ceremony.

      [–]dbarefoot 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Just to round this off a little, the woman's name is Emma Sulkowicz and carrying that mattress is both a protest and a performance art piece called Carry That Weight.

      [–]hockeyrugby 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

      I thought this was a god article that gives the accused side of the story. Basically when you see what this guy went through and the lack of due process he was afforded you see why this is such a polarizing and pertinent issue.

      http://www.zeit.de/studium/uni-leben/2015-05/columbia-university-sexual-assault-trial

      [–]IceburgSlimk 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

      A god article is a bit of an exaggeration!!

      [–]red_storm_risen 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I didn't think the Higgs oson could do that.

      [–]Andrew_Squared 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I didn't think the Higgs oson could do that.

      It can't, but Higgs Boson could!

      [–]FarkCookies 4ポイント5ポイント  (11子コメント)

      I recommend to read this article. This is interesting bit that kinda got unnoticed:

      As the party was wrapping up, they started talking in the courtyard, then began to hug and kiss and ended up going back to Sulkowicz’s dorm room—at her invitation, according to Nungesser. He says he had consumed two mixed drinks and was “buzzed, but not intoxicated or anything.” (Sulkowicz has previously described him as “drunk” during the incident.)

      Wait a second, she actually raped him? Sex with drunk person is rape!

      [–]stanley_twobrick 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

      Sex with drunk person is rape!

      lol what?

      [–]FarkCookies 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

      That is what they say. Drunk = no consent. No consent = rape. This argument is all over reddit. Well you can see that there is pretty hot discussions going on.

      Edit, example:

      Illinois law In the state of Illinois "sexual assault" or rape, is a felony and could result in an individual being sentenced to time in prison. It is defined as penetration (could be oral, anal, or vaginal), by force or threat of force, or when the victim is unable to give knowing consent. If an individual is "incapacitated from drugs or alcohol" (i.e. drunk) they cannot give consent. Having sex with someone who is drunk, is by definition, a crime.

      [–]stanley_twobrick -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

      First I've heard of it. That's hilarious.

      [–]FarkCookies 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

      It is not really hilarious at all. Some people are using drunkenness to take advantage of people, other people exaggerate it the other way around.

      [–]stanley_twobrick -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Mmk. But it's still hilarious that someone thought it was a good idea to make a law stating that any sex with a drunk person is rape.

      [–]FarkCookies 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I am pretty sure it is more nuanced in practice. I can't believe a person would be send to prison for having sex with mildly drunk person that was consenting at the time.

      [–]stanley_twobrick 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Having goofy laws like that in place are how situations exactly like that end up happening though.

      [–]MrJigglyBrown 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      On the flip side, if someone makes a bad (but consensual) decision while drunk, then technically they can accuse the other person of rape and win.

      [–]Mr122 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Someone post that video where someone asks for consent every ten seconds.

      [–]AUT2M 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      If you're drunk you legally can't consent (if you're a women that is) so she raped him.

      [–]shaneathan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      In a lot of colleges, and I believe a few cities/states, a drunk person can't give consent. Designed as a protection for women, it's become kind of a weird point to bring up- If both are intoxicated- Not buzzed, but actually drunk, how can it be rape if neither can legally give consent. So it's sort of a point that got brought up that because she described him as drunk, she technically raped him by those standards.

      [–]felixjawesome 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      [–]damacugetting in the loop of things 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      What if you work at an Art Institute or Univ or gallery or art museum? Is it still NSFW?

      [–]MrFatalistic 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I don't down play female rape, I think it's a very serious issue, a very hard to handle one because of women like this. I don't know why male rape or more commonly, false rape accusations are ignored or hand waved, a ridiculous double standard.

      I was almost falsely accused of rape (she only backed down after I said I would do everything in my power to legally fight it) and then days later told me she was pregnant with my baby (was pregnant, just not mine). The fact I felt like a huge asshole when she was clearly manipulating me the entire time, that I showed up after she delivered with boppy/supplies when I should have been noping the fuck out of there. It's almost a version of rape in itself, it fucks with your head forever.

      That said I still find baby daddy jokes funny, not going full victim here.

      [–]Dakrys 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I don't down play female rape

      I think this is a lot of the problem. I'm not trying to call you out or anything, but there's a serious perception that men can't be raped which sets a really dangerous culture where men are by nature aggressors and that women are by nature victims.

      There have been classes taught for women about how to avoid situations where they can be taken advantage of. Don't take a drink from a stranger, don't leave your drink lying around, etc.

      Instead, we should be teaching men how to not rape people, right? Because it goes against our rapist nature to not take advantage of women, right?

      Sorry, it's kind of a huge topic at the moment. Feminists don't want to deal with anything that victim blames which is fair to a point. But the recent culture of, "women don't lie about rape" and "he obviously wanted it" really rustles my jimmies.

      [–]MrFatalistic 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That was the point I was trying to make, they're not treated equally at all, even to the point that they'll make the case that the numbers aren't significant enough to matter. Traditionally shit said by far right to dismiss rape concerns in the past is now being said by the left.

      SRS is hilarious for this sort of behavior, they'll point out stories like mine and snark about peenz or something, something they'd find disgusting if it were done to women.

      [–]Triert 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      A girl who lied about rape and is now getting special treatment from Obama because the democrats want to make sure they get the female vote when it's time for Hilary