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[–]bad_driverman [スコア非表示]  (62子コメント)

On principle, though, Net Neutrality is garbage. What right does the government have to regulate an independent business? It SHOULD be left to the market to decide what customers want. 99% of history has shown that whenever the government regulates a business, the service becomes worse. Look at Soviet Russia, Cambodia, and Vietnam. Look at free market enterprise nations that have succeeded: United States, Monaco, Taiwan. Although, Net Neutrality might make redditors "feel good" they have faster cat memes, it is a violation of the NAP.

[–]UmeJack [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

Really you can't think of a single public commodity in the history of the US that has helped it either win a war or develop into the nation it is today?

[–]DoogieHueserMD [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Ayy lmao

[–]UghableSSJW-3 Goku [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What right does the government have to regulate an independent business?

They have never been independent. Not a single telecom company that exists is free from massive government assistance.

[–]Grandy12 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The internet is not an independent business, though.

Independent businesses use it, but only in the same way stores use stree-

Wait, new account with negative 100 karma

Shit and I fell for it.

[–]HostileIguana( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

What right do corporations have to charge me exorbitant rates just to not slow down my connection? How does that fit into your bullshit NAP?

[–]larrylemur(つ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)つ GIB DRAMA [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Umm if you don't like it just build your own internet, duh you commie /s

[–]mizstuck [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

In principle the market would provide the efficient solution, but ISPs are natural monopoly due to the physical fiber they have to use. To make a natural monopoly efficient the government needs to step in.

Edit - Downvote if you want but this is Econ 101. Monopolies and externalities where the coase therom doesn't apply are both two cases where the government needs to step in to make the market efficient.

[–]chaos750 [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

There is no market, though. If I want high speed internet, I have exactly 2 options in my area. If Google, Facebook, Netflix, etc. want to reach me as a customer, they have no choice but to go through one of them. In a "free market", I'm pretty sure both ISPs would realize that they can slow down connections and charge the big Internet companies to speed them back up again (or some other scheme that no one wants). In theory, the market would decide if that's a good idea or not, but without competitors how would anything change? I can't do anything about it, there's no one for me to switch to in protest. My only recourse would be to stop using the Internet at all. And Google and Netflix can't choose to route around the ISPs to avoid the slowdown, because the ISPs control the last mile to me.

This is where government can be a useful tool for doing good. Government regulation isn't always a good thing, but it was practically made for things like this where the free market can't self-regulate.

[–]7minegg [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What right does the government have to regulate an independent business?

You kidding right? The US government regulates arms sales, intellectual properties, all the time. Cryptography in a certain class used to be classified as munition, and export of software containing cryptographic libraries were forbidden. Now you'll cry "national defense interest", and then I'll play my "for the common good" card. Please tell me you're against seatbelt laws, crash test standards, emission standards, too, that'll complete the picture.

[–]ziby [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Oh good, you're here. You must think the Articles of Confederation were a great idea, right? With no central regulation on currency, or services like inter-state mail, America was constantly on the verge of complete economic collapse. Then let's look at the railroads, banks, and private local transit that by the 1900's were creating huge monopolies like you seem to want. These monopolies actually rose prices on the consumer! THEY DIDN'T STAY WITH THE COMMONLY ACCEPTED PRICES! They kept getting more and more money so they could drive out competition so they could make more money and extort the private individual. The "Beef Trust" was a group of the top six beef producers in the U.S. They went on to fix prices of beef at insanely high prices; defrauding and extorting the consumer, who was powerless to do anything about it.

So the United States Government had to gasp regulate the market. The entire point of government regulation is to increase competition! Over time private corporations will solidify power into a small number of hands and start defrauding their consumer base: when only one person is supplying your food you can't just "go to their competitor." (Before you even try to bring that idea up.) Competition is what drives a capitalistic economy; when that competition is no where to be seen the economy will stagnate or crash. When no other private enterprise can actively compete the government has to step in. The reason a pound of beef isn't thirty dollars in the U.S. is because of that government intervention.

The regulation of Net Neutrality isn't to "determine what the consumer wants" it's to prevent another monopoly. It's a pre-emptive measure so the government won't have to intervene like it did in the early 20th century.

[–]bad_driverman [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

As a resourceful American, I imagine I'd be at the helm of many of these markets so I don't mind price gouging. Afterall, it's the market that should set prices.

[–]ziby [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Ah, so you're just a troll. Good to know.

[–]DarthMGTOW1488 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The right of having created the thing with public money and invested a ton of public money on creating everything from TCP/IP on up? The market didn't make the internet, the military and universities did, private business is just piggybacking on a system made to share information at light speed in case of nuclear war

Complaining about the government having authority on the internet is as ridiculous as complaining that the Navy doesn't allow just anyone to film on an aircraft carrier for their movie.

The NAP doesn't even come into play because the whole thing was created for the purposes of war by the state, the internet was never a peaceful thing or existing in a placidic natural state. It is an EXPLICIT INSTRUMENT OF AIDING AND ABIDING STATE VIOLENCE and anyone who truly supports non-initiation of state aggression has no business having any part of it intellectually honestly

[–]rnjbond [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I actually am not in favor of regulating the Internet as a Title II utility myself.

I think your arguments however are a little off base.

[–]astrozombie2012 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Capitalism, blah, blah... capitalism died a long time ago... now all we have is cronyism. You cannot allow a corrupt market to decide what is best for their customers...

[–]stronimo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

TCP/IP is a US government invention, WWW was invented at CERN. When it comes to Internet tech, all the ground work was done with public money at public institutions. Private industry was barely even there. If they don't like it, they are free to leave go back to just offering a phone service.

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