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Pedestrian-only streets in Pike/Pine planned for trial run this summer (capitolhillseattle.com)

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[–]zuvembiCentral Area 23ポイント24ポイント  (8子コメント)

Now add closing Pike Place to non-delivery traffic. That would make trips to the market a lot nicer.

Preferably with automatic bollards with transponders for delivery vehicles and others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQyFhkReOmk

[–]LoquaciousMime[S] 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

YES!!! I cannot fathom why they decided "this is a major tourist attraction, let's allow cars to drive right through it!" I mean, come on.

[–]gringledoom 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Plus, everyone who drives in the city is guaranteed to at least one time make the horrible mistake of "oh, i'll just go around the block here!" and then getting stuck in Pike Market for 45 minutes because it isn't really a street for driving after all, d'oh!

[–]longjia97Mount Baker 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I made that mistake once, when I was a new driver and was just learning to drive. NEVER. AGAIN.

[–]ameliakristina 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Often when I'm heading downtown google maps tries to direct me through Pike Place Market and I'm like Nope.

[–]longjia97Mount Baker 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

YES. Driving through the market is already a pain in the ass (and a rookie mistake)... just close it off to non-delivery traffic already!

[–]carus 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Totally agree, about 30 minutes ago I saw a guy partially roll over a pedestrian's foot with his car. The man limped around for a while but somehow wasn't seriously hurt; no idea why normal traffic even attempts to drive through the market.

[–]beardrinkcoffeeBallard 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Meh, I drove over my sister's foot once. She's fine.

[–]lutzgerhard 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh man I saw this happen live so many times when I lived in Paris in '96 - in front of the "Frog et Rosbeef" so many cars got nicked. And across the board there was ample signage alerting drivers but they just thought they were the exception. Immediate repercussion for bad behavior.

But, I think it will be decades before something like this is possible in the US, from the perspective of the car lobby having a ton of power.

[–]balancetheuniverseWest Seattle 44ポイント45ポイント  (78子コメント)

Combine that with weekend outdoor markets and music and you have yourself a culture zone

[–]kcrobinsonMadrona 21ポイント22ポイント  (16子コメント)

I like the idea of 11th between Pike and Pine being pedestrian only. It's lined with those bars and the street could be a fun place to hang out. The article also mentions the possibility of Pike between Broadway and 11th. That's just insane to me. There's a gas station there. It's the main thoroughfare for cars looking to drive in or out or through the neighborhood.

[–]checkereddan -5ポイント-4ポイント  (14子コメント)

You'll still be able to access the Shell station via Broadway.

But who buys gas on a Friday / Saturday night anyway?

[–]BarbieDreamHearseUpwardly Mobile 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Me. Weekend nights are when I do most of my driving.

[–]checkereddan -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you mind quantifying your use of the word "most?"

[–]akharonWest Seattle -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess greater than 50%?

[–]kcrobinsonMadrona 11ポイント12ポイント  (6子コメント)

People who drive on Friday / Saturday nights and therefore occasionally need gas.

[–]checkereddan 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Given there are relatively few people who will want to buy gas and those that do can access the station via Broadway. And given many people will benefit from being able to walk in the street; the city's proposed closure of Pike between Broadway and 11th seems reasonable to me.

[–]kcrobinsonMadrona 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's the main thoroughfare for people who want to get up the hill from downtown Seattle. The line of cars waiting to cross Broadway heading East on Pike is huge and there's nowhere else for them to go. Union isn't big enough to support that level of traffic and turning left onto Madison from Broadway isn't allowed.

[–]BarbieDreamHearseUpwardly Mobile 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

In addition, one does not simply drive up Union. There are some funky intersections (I'm thinking Harvard, and 12th & Madison) that aren't easy to navigate, especially for weekenders.

[–]ckb614 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just drive up Pike to Broadway and then over to Pine after that. With no westbound traffic it will be much easier to make that left. Alternatively, make a right, then left on Union, Right on 10th, and Left on Madison. Or just take Madison or Denny because it's a lot faster than crawling through Pike at night

[–]kcrobinsonMadrona 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The easier left because of no westbound traffic is a good point.

[–]checkereddan -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's also the main thoroughfare for people walking. Why don't you wait for the results of the pilot test before passing judgment?

[–]OrionSrSr 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sir Mix-A-Lot's posse.

[–]hamburger6666 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

They've been long since gentrified out of their neighborhood

[–]RichShirtNixSunBallard 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being that he is a multi-millionaire I do not think His Royal Knighthood Sir Mix-A-Lot has been gentrified out of anywhere.

Though he does prefer the quiet solitude of his forested property in Auburn.

[–]RichShirtNixSunBallard -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was one of my favorite blocks when I lived on the hill.

[–]what_a_cat_astropheCapitol Hill 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really love this idea and hope it works out for the best. Pike/Pine really just no longer an area where cars and pedestrians can safely share the road. Especially at close when there are people driving home (potentially drunk) and people pouring out of the bars.

While they're at it, it would be really fun to see some more late night food trucks pop up as well. What a great opportunity!

[–]theandyeffectLower Queen Anne 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's about freaking time.

[–]Downtown_Joe 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

Didn't they try that downtown? It lasted several years and then was plowed under by angry people in cars.

[–]LoquaciousMime[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

Hmm, I don't know; I've lived here a bit over 8 years but don't remember that. I know for SLU, they're thinking about restricting the number of cars, charging a downtown congestion charge to drive there (like London), or just close it down for pedestrians altogether.

[–]Downtown_Joe 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

It was a while ago - late 90's or the early aughts. They shut down pike (pine? Don't remember which) between the park and westlake center.

[–]LoquaciousMime[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

"early aughts" Whenever I say that I just get blank looks from people.

[–]Jonny_Fairplay 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because only weirdos say it.

[–]SnarkMasterRay 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pine, about twenty years ago. It was part of a deal to get Nordstroms to renovate the space they're currently in. Mini-timeline

[–]checkereddan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's amazing. Thanks for sharing.

[–]dEAthdEAlEr69 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nordstrom got it removed as a condition of them moving into their current location.

[–]gringledoom 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ugh, too bad. I visited back then and the pedestrian zone was nice. Now if you drive through, you're just caught in a sea of pedestrians anyway, so it was best to keep everyone apart!

[–]updown001 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

why would anyone want that downtown? There isn't anything there but some lunch places that close up by the time PM rush hour is over.

[–]triceracop 17ポイント18ポイント  (8子コメント)

To anyone against this idea because of driving: why should your desire to use this road for 2 minutes override the use of that space by people staying there for hours?

[–]LoquaciousMime[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

There are other streets cars can use, it's not like "we're shutting off the only roads across the Hill! Good luck, suckers!"

[–]definitelyright 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly, I live just up the hill from the area, and fri/saturdays I avoid driving through there like the plague anyway. Its much easier to go a block or two in either direction to save time/headache.

[–]gringledoom 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep, and it's so full of people (and drunk people who might not look carefully before walking in front of you! ack!), it's best to use another route anyway.

[–]RCDrift 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't mind the location, but an argument against it would be that it has a ripple effect. Traffic engineers spend a lot of time laying out placement, light timing, and traffic flow models, and switching things around can cause havoc on years of careful planning. Most likely the traffic engineers have done the model and considered it viable, or little consequence to the surrounding area, or it's coming from up top and are being required to do so. Also because drivers pay for the roads through tabs and taxes while pedestrians and cyclist don't contribute to the maintenance costs.

[–]stredarts 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

This was a concern in NYC when they made Times Square a pedestrian zone. It turns out it reduced traffic on adjacent roads. Part of that is maybe because of Broadway's weird intersections that were simplified. But a lot has to do with removing trips generated from and to the pedestrian zone.

[–]RCDrift 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd have to talk to the traffic engineer at work about how this all works from a scientific prospective.

[–]checkereddan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also because drivers pay for the roads through tabs and taxes while pedestrians and cyclist don't contribute to the maintenance costs.

Actually, we all pay for roads. Gas taxes and car tab fees only cover a small percentage of transportation spending. The rest comes from property and sales taxes.

http://www.citylab.com/commute/2015/05/debunking-the-myth-that-only-drivers-pay-for-roads/393134/

[–]SnarkMasterRay 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why is the converse not also true? Why can't I say the same thing about people complaining when protestors shut down I-5?

I mean, the converse is the way it is now, but any time I see "why should YOU override others" posts they tend to assume that there is no case or cause for the person they're asking.

[–]kinisonkhanKent 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

By pedestrian only, they mean cyclists and pedestrians.

[–]checkereddan 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

People on bikes will have to slow down to walking speed to navigate the crowd. It works at Pike Place and I don't see a problem with that here.

[–]checkereddan 11ポイント12ポイント  (59子コメント)

This is very much needed. I hope it succeeds in creating a more artistic and inclusive nightlife culture.

[–]RichShirtNixSunBallard 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is a great idea for Pike and Pine, I wish they had done this years ago.

[–]MightyBulgerCentral Area 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

How about they keep the bars open after 2am as well. Then I'm down.

[–]leukosCapitol Hill 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I got rid of my perfectly good car because I live on 14th & Pine. My main bar is Vermillion and I think that whole area should be pedestrian only.

[–]lutzgerhard -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

What? But if I can't get there by car you will lose so much business! Cars have rights too. We need to get to places. Now get off the streets.

Just kidding. About time to give some space back to pedestrians.

[–]glbrown4Belltown -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

See Bell Street Park. It's a similar idea that's already built. Pros and con's.