(cache) Alert! Nazi shitheads holding pro police demos in Olympia! : Cascadia

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Sure, sounds good, except these are very violent people with violent criminal records. One of the ringleaders of the group of nazis coming to Olympia from Portland area recently got out of prison for an arson conviction, an arson conviction that was lowered from an initial murder charge.

Their rhetoric is also incredibly violent. This isn't just like Westboro Baptists where they are horribly unpleasant but don't actually cause any harm, their speech is being used to grow their numbers with the intention of having a large enough influence to get away with violence against minorities.

This assembly won't be peaceful. I have heard from reliable sources that many of them are armed, and several are planning to attack black anti-police protestors.

And of course the cops are most likely going to turn a blind eye unless it gets significantly out of hand, so I sure hope that the community fights back against the nazis if/when they get physical.

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hi, the person who answered you is not the person you asked. the person who answered is a capitalist, and them injecting their ideology as if they are explaining the other person's position, I think, is dishonest at best.

there is no difference between "crony capitalism" and capitalism. capitalism itself is inherently exploitative. if that wasn't the case, we wouldn't be in the position we are now, that position being capitalism destroying the environment & alienating us from the fruits of our labor, and dividing workers into race, sex, and class in order to prevent a unified movement to share our wealth amongst ourselves.

because profit is the goal of capitalism, profit will always take precedence over humanity. some would say that capitalism without state regulation would be liberating, but those regulations are the product of workers uniting and deciding that capitalism without regulation is unacceptable.

think of your job: you work 8 hours, and make $80. your labor is actually creating much more wealth than that, but the employer keeps the majority of it for themselves. anarchists believe you and your community are entitled to the full fruits of your labor, and that your employer should only be entitled to the fruits of their own labor (but less individualized, the cooperating class of people as a whole are entitled to the fruits of the class as a whole)

true egalitarian cooperation cannot have the upper (boss) class and the lower (worker) class, only cooperative workers who share labor and wealth.

this is anarchist communism, which is what Marx called Full communism, the stage after and the goal of the dictatorship of the proletariat. anarchists believe a social, rather than political, revolution, will allow society to achieve full communism and skip the obviously terrible dictatorship.

this is only a rough explanation, and for more info, feel free to come check out /r/anarchism

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So I've been digging around for Nazi jokes, I found some good ones that are useful as one liners, and some hilarious stuff that's simply too long for that format:

The Führer always keeps his promises. He promised us work and bread - he didn't say anything about butter.

A man wants to buy a pig from a farmer, but he says it has to be an aryan pig. "What's that?", the farmer asks. "Well", the man answers. "It has to have bristles like Hitler, a snout like Goebbels and a belly like Göring!" (1934)

At a press meeting Goebbels tells an American journalist: "If Roosevelt had something like the SS, there wouldn't be any Gangsters left in the US!" The journalist answers: "Of course not. They would all be squad leaders by now." (1934)

What's the difference between christianity and national socialism? - In christianity one man died for all, in national socialism all men are expected to die for one." (1944)

Q: What do you get for a new joke? - A: Six months in Dachau. (1938)

A Jewish man was jumping up and down on a cliff, shouting "2345!" "2345" A Nazi came along and angrily said "Why are you acting so crazy?" The Jewish man told the Nazi to stand at the edge of the cliff and look down, So the Nazi did, then the Jewish man kicked him off the cliff. He resumed chanting, but this time it was "2346!" "2346!"

Hitler visits a lunatic asylum as he passes down the line, he comes across a man who isn’t saluting. “Why aren’t you saluting like the others?” Hitler barks. “Mein Führer, I’m the nurse, I’m not crazy!”

“One of the first ones I did is that I’d bring giant, blown-up photos of Hitler, Goering, Goebbels and others on stage and I’d say, ‘Now, should I hang them, or line them up against the wall?’

Another one was simple — I’d send someone out on stage with a sock in their mouth, wait a few minutes, and then the announcer would walk out and say, ‘Now that the political part of our program is over, we’ll move onto other entertainment.’”

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[–]comrade_nateWashington 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 7日前* (2子コメント)

Yeah. There's various kinds of anarchism, but generally the closest you get to capitalism with anarchists is mutualism- even mutualists have a disdain for capitalists who claim to be anarchists. And believe me, us anarchists absolutely hate nazis, and any nazis that claim to be punks. Nazi punks fuck off!

Edit:And an interesting thing to note is that most anarchists are in favor of a society where money isn't used anymore, where there are no economic classes, and where workers own their means of production, and the principle "from each according to their ability, to each according to their need" where the "need" is what's necessary not simply to survive, but to live a happy life. Combine that with, obviously, the goal of immediately having a stateless society, and basically, most anarchists are communists. Including me.

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[–]comrade_nateWashington 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7日前 (0子コメント)

But why does the commune need to have some petty state to tell everyone what their needs are? Everyone can contribute whatever, whenever, as there'd be no unemployment, but seeing that if nobody does anything everybody would starve, those people would come together and figure out a schedule for their work, then get those resources in, enough to feed everyone well. And no, I don't interpret 4 dirty glasses of water and a few pieces of bread a day suffficient whatsoever, just stating that before another critique comes this way. There wouldn't be a fee, seeing as how there wouldn't be money in the first place. Average people, not some greedy politicians, would convene together and discuss general allocation of resources and, even then, there still aren't going to be cops. It's anarchy after all. Nonetheless, you could pretty much take whatever you want, so long as you don't take all the food, otherwise you'll be judged by your neighbors. Again, the justice system would be much different, more merciful and devoid of cops, but there will still have to be some restorative justice for the thief.

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Section 3. Origins of article Anarchism:

The earliest anarchist themes can be found in the 6th century BC, among the works of Taoist philosopher Laozi, and in later centuries by Zhuangzi and Bao Jingyan. Zhuangzi's philosophy has been described by various sources as anarchist. Zhuangzi wrote, "A petty thief is put in jail. A great brigand becomes a ruler of a Nation." Diogenes of Sinope and the Cynics, their contemporary Zeno of Citium, the founder of Stoicism, also introduced similar topics. Jesus is sometimes considered the first anarchist in the Christian anarchist tradition. Georges Lechartier wrote that "The true founder of anarchy was Jesus Christ and ... the first anarchist society was that of the apostles." In early Islamic history, some manifestations of anarchic thought are found during the Islamic civil war over the Caliphate, where the Kharijites insisted that the imamate is a right for each individual within the Islamic society. Later, some Muslim scholars, such as Amer al-Basri and Abu Hanifa, led movements of boycotting the rulers, paving the way to the waqf (endowments) tradition, which served as an alternative to and asylum from the centralized authorities of the emirs. But such interpretations reverberates subversive religious conceptions like the aforementioned seemingly anarchistic Taoist teachings and that of other anti-authoritarian religious traditions creating a complex relationship regarding the question as to whether or not anarchism and religion are compatible. This is exemplified when the glorification of the state is viewed as a form of sinful idolatry.

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What I find ironic is that people who identify with the 19th and 20th century developments, argue against * anarchism as revisionist, yet they are themselves practicing a revision of ideas that would have been unfamiliar to those that originated the source work 2400-1800 years earlier.

Philosophy is arguably the playground of human thought, it's dynamic, practicing change, appropriation, and revision at a pace that makes natural selection look glacial. However, it's that same dynamism that makes the orthodox cries of apostasy so hollow, when at the same time, the orthodoxy is in fact a relatively recent revision of ideas that remain centuries old.

There are a whole constellation of thinkers through the 1800s and 1900s who engaged every aspect of anarchism, Bastiat, Stirner, Godwin, Rousseau, whose opinions are so varied arguing for a single point of "this is anarchism" does little but invite challenge. After time and study, I'm not sure I could absolutely embrace any strict interpretation of any of these ideologies. In a way, I might argue for all, and at the same time argue for none.

That said, Diogenes of Sinope is arguably one of the most profound thinkers of antiquity, Socrates, Plato and Aristotle spent so much time philosophizing in ways that made them important, this effort has obviously been profoundly successful as it's hard to find a high school student who has never heard the name, much less not read one of their works. The same cannot be said for Diogenes, who is as near a classical example of Nietzschian Superman that has ever existed. One author describing him as the "nihilist of Hellenism". If you ever get a chance, I highly recommend reading the few scant stories and quotes that remain.

We would all do well to disabuse ourselves of the notion that strict adherence to the dogma of some kind of orthodoxy, whether it be ideological or religious and rather than worrying whether we are walking the talk, actually evaluating ideas based on merit. In the end, wearing a shoe that doesn't fit just makes you walk funny, for cynics, every day is casual friday.

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[–]Longarm_alchemistWashington -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 7日前 (6子コメント)

I would beg to differ on that front, as we have good proof that a socialistic society without a central government can work, from the Native Americans all the way to Revolutionary Catalonia during the Spanish Civil war, and as for your "Socialism transformed into Totalitarian Fascism" argument I can actually point out a lot of flaws in that argument, while yes Hitler used the word "Socialism" in his National Socialist ideology it was to usurp the actual socialist and communist movements in Germany during the Weimar Republic, and if you look at the policies he put in place when he was in charge you can see that what he practiced was not socialism, which by definition is "the workers own the means of production", but rather a system where the wealthy, Ethnic German population controlled all the factories and land, that by definition is not a Socialist society, if anything it is a Capitalist society.

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You asked about national socialism, and the DPRK... decidedly totalitarian. Fall asleep during a speech by great leader and someone turns an anti-aircraft gun on you.

I didn't ask about either of those things, I pointed out that they're both dishonestly named. The DPRK isn't democratic and national socialism isn't socialist.

who enforces the communism part of your anarcho?

Literally no one, it's one form of organization for the communities that want it.

What if I like my stuff, and want to keep it?

You can keep your stuff. Property isn't about stuff, it's about land and workplaces.

Maybe two people like each others stuff more than their stuff so they decide to trade it, what does the communism do then?

It shifts towards mutualism, which is also a perfectly nice anarchist economic system.

[–]sixthcolumnistState of Jefferson 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7日前 (4子コメント)

I didn't ask about either of those things, I pointed out that they're both dishonestly named. The DPRK isn't democratic and national socialism isn't socialist.

Ah, ok, I didn't catch your joke. Sorry.

Literally no one, it's one form of organization for the communities that want it.

Cool, enjoy, keep me out of it.

You can keep your stuff. Property isn't about stuff, it's about land and workplaces.

So my workplace isn't mine? Even though I own all the stuff in it, and without me it would be useless? Mind you, I own my own business. How about the land I own that I traded stuff I liked less than land for? I realize I can neither take my land nor my possessions with me when I die, I hope that one day I will have a suitable heir to pass them on to, but that's another discussion.

It shifts towards mutualism, which is also a perfectly nice anarchist economic system.

At a point isn't mutualism simply capitalism writ small?

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