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What happened to DarkWallet? (self.Bitcoin)

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The site https://darkwallet.is is down, UnSystem site is down, github repo has no commits in last 3 months.

This is a great project for privacy conscious bitcoiners, what happened folks?

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[–]nomoredice 47ポイント48ポイント  (53子コメント)

The developer went missing.

[–]DIGITAL-not-Virtual 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

He's gone dark.

[–]Bitcoinopoly 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, the iron knee!

[–]kazuki_49 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

the fungi ate him.

[–]SurviAvi -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You were the chosen one!

[–]Vibr8gKiwi 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Grabbed into a black helicopter?

[–]_Mr_E 10ポイント11ポイント  (11子コメント)

Nobody knows where Amir is and this hasn't been more discussed??

[–]tormented-atoms 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

Not Amir, Pablo (caedes).

https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20150508.133639.08801c79.en.html

[–]YokoHamata 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Strange, I remember talking to him just a couple months ago actually.

[–]_Mr_E -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

Well then where the heck has Amir been lately?

[–]tormented-atoms 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

Author: Amir Taaki
Date: 2015-05-05 07:57 -500
To: unsystem
Subject: Re: [unSYSTEM] New PGP key

Will write more stuff soon, sorry been busy.

https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20150505.125747.df78f1c6.en.html

[–]jimmajamma 26ポイント27ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's a relief. To me these guys (he and Cody, and the rest of the guys on the fringed) are modern day heroes.

[–]bearjewpacabra 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

100%

[–]Sugar_Daddy_Peter 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Big part of Bitcoin history. Now it's a matter of how big a part of history Bitcoin will be.

[–]luffintlimme 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Will write more stuff soon, sorry been busy.

Is that some kind of code-word talk for "they have me gagged. for the love of god, help!"

[–]circuitloss 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hear that CIA Black Sites are the best places to code. No distractions.

[–]jimmajamma 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

Are you talking about Amir Taaki? I can't find any news about him in 2015 either...

[–]Noosterdam 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well I found this from two weeks ago, sounds like Taaki's writing to me, but maybe that's just twitter style: https://twitter.com/TheDarkwallet/status/601550125668806656

[–]TweetsInCommentsBot 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

@TheDarkwallet

2015-05-22 00:48 UTC

We've upped the anti on privacy, our own included. We're certainly delivering a revolution, when? When it's ready, that is all u need2 know.

This message was created by a bot

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[–]tormented-atoms 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not Amir.

Amir (/u/genjix) has posted a couple of times to the unSYSTEM mailing list recently.

[–]dunand 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I saw him recently holding a coin between is fingers in front of is eye. He must be ok.

[–]adrianclv 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are now working on Faircoin/Faircoop

[–]romerun 0ポイント1ポイント  (20子コメント)

how come the hr hasn't recruited replacements ?

[–]Tectract 19ポイント20ポイント  (19子コメント)

As far as I understand, the DarkWallet "team" is a group of squatters living in an abondoned building on like $5 per day. I'm guessing their HR department might be a little backed up.

[–]_supert_ 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like their toilet.

[–]Uy9KC7OP2R2yn6TZVSMP 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

They sure spent those donations fast for people living the buddhist life.

[–]Tectract 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

Did they take in a lot of money? I honestly don't know how they run things. I wish there was a good wallet with a coinjoin / coinshuffle implementation already, I know that.

[–]Uy9KC7OP2R2yn6TZVSMP 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

At least 50000$ from what I've seen. I'd love for a wallet with integrated coin join. Sucks that alts have such a huge edge in that regard. The flexibility they can allow is tremendous.

[–]talkData 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

$50K is nothing to fund this, any of those developers could easily get a $XXX,XXX+ salary with a BTC company.

[–]Uy9KC7OP2R2yn6TZVSMP 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

They don't seem to want to work for "the system" though.

[–]talkData 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah, that's made pretty clear. Just saying, people going "omg they took $50k sooooo much money!!!" - that is not a lot of money, at all, for a team of software developers, especially working in this field.

[–]utuxia 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How are you supposed to track where the money went if you're using Dark Wallet. Isn't that the whole idea? to be untraceable?

[–]rydan 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Are these the guys who published their expenses publicly and a lot of those expenses included weed?

[–]blue_coal_miner 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you by chance have a link?

[–]Noosterdam -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hey man, it turns off your mind's auto-ignore setting so you can see things you'd normally miss. Great for code optimization, I would imagine. Or maybe they just sat around eating tossed cupcakes while railing against "the machine" and quoting Baudrillard.

[–]FUCK_BARACK_OBAMA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's not really relevant......

[–]utuxia -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol. someone should donate a ping pong table. I hear it's worth at least $50 grand now to have one in the office.

[–]GuessWhat_InTheButt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think they only have one developer.

[–]zombiecoiner -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Disappeared?

[–]kiisfm 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

https://github.com/chris-belcher/joinmarket

[–]Riiume 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

JoinMarket has a chance of being more self-sustaining than DarkWallet because it balances financial incentives for all of the participants (instead of depending on people to act out of the kindness of their hearts).

[–]SamouraiWallet 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

We are very excited about JoinMarket

[–]harvesta 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Will you integrate it into your wallet?

[–]anddrade 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

Maybe they got in some legal trouble and are under a gag order.

[–]davidpbrown 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

No canary setup!?

[–]phu2 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

What is a canary setup

[–]anddrade -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess a canary would serve to warn users to not use an ongoing service. If it is down, then that kind of takes care of that already.

This reminds me of this episode of Surprisingly Free about the encrypted email Lavabit and their legal trouble after Edward Snowden used their services. It is very much worth listening.

[–]utuxia -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

DPR put a hit out on them.

[–]SamouraiWallet 26ポイント27ポイント  (17子コメント)

You may be interested in Samourai Wallet

It is Android only (currently), but we are aiming to be a nice companion to Dark Wallet for mobile devices.

[–]mktx 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

Give us the .apk and get rid of this google+ bullshit. PLEASE!

[–]SamouraiWallet 28ポイント29ポイント  (3子コメント)

I know.... It was a poor decision. Basically, we wanted to run our Alpha program through the Google Play store, so that we could receive error logs and stack traces without our testers having to go through a whole ordeal. Additionally, if there was a criticial issue found it is very easy to remove that version and push a fix, if we have APKs in the wild, it can get messy. However, the whole G+ process sucks, and I am very happy to admit my mistake there.

Once we release 1.0 we will be fully open sourced and without the crappy G+ process. My Apologies.

[–]notreddingit 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually for a pre-release that sounds pretty good idea. As people shouldn't be relying on it 100% yet for privacy anyway. And like you said, having a bunch of pre-release APKs floating around is only going to cause trouble.

[–]Whooshless 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can't you just write a EULA, implement UncaughtExceptionHandler, override uncaughtException(Thread, Throwable), write the stacktrace to a file, and the next time the app is opened, read the file, and upload it to a PHP script on your site and delete/archive the file? How dare you ask for g+ signups! /s

[–]mktx 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Apologies accepted. The way you explained it makes sense.

Mycellium doesn't seem to have a problem as most go through the PS anyway. It's just not an option for me. So I will wait for the 1.0 release. Best wishes for you.

[–]Cryptolution 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

You may be interested in Samourai Wallet

It is Android only (currently), but we are aiming to be a nice companion to Dark Wallet for mobile devices.

Anything made for mobile cannot be aimed at privacy, as our mobile devices are those most connected to our identities.

If you would like to make a real serious privacy enabled wallet, please do so for linux (first) and then windows.

[–]bitcoinfinder 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being secure on a disconnected device is probably too simple. Tails + Armory not good enough? This Samourai obviously aims for the harder problem first, and why not?

[–]afrotec 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Looks pretty cool. I just requested access to the alpha; thanks for posting.

[–]SamouraiWallet 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks! Hope you like it, and feel free to make any comments, concerns, or suggestions.

[–]saintoshi 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Needs Google+ for signup? What? :(

[–]SamouraiWallet 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

See response below. Essentially, so we can distribute the Alpha program through the Google Play store.

[–]Big_Brother_is_here 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I will be very interested once it's available for iOs.

[–]SamouraiWallet 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is certainly planned. However, certain features like stealth mode and remote SMS commands as far as I know are not really possible on iOS

[–]pb1x 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

Look into /r/joinmarket

[–]belcher_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why is this getting downvotes? Altcoiners out in force today?

[–]Noosterdam 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Monero is big recently here. They haven't figured out that spin-offs make it impossible for an altcoin to win (or even compete!) as the WWL against Bitcoin on its home turf. The only way for an altcoin to win as an alternative ledger is to market it to fresh blood, people who have never invested in Bitcoin. Any bitcoiner will always prefer the spinoff version that maintains their percentage stake of the WWL. Need to go market it as something new, unrelated to Bitcoin, not to the community here, as all you can get is a very limited "fear hedge" from bitcoiners, and that dies the moment a viable spinoff is proved as a concept (hasn't happened yet because there are no worthy coins, Monero is the best candidate but still too early to create a spinoff).

Don't laugh, Ripple is bigger than Bitcoin here in Japan, because they got Amway to sell it (and because of Bitcoin's bad rep from MtGox).

[–]Riiume 12ポイント13ポイント  (14子コメント)

It looks as though the developers have abandoned the project without telling anyone why.

[–]coinlock 1ポイント2ポイント  (13子コメント)

Were there monies raised?

[–]Slayer706 12ポイント13ポイント  (11子コメント)

They raised $50,000 on Indiegogo back in 2013. They had a few more donation rounds, but I don't remember how much was raised. They also accepted individual donations.

I remember the project's "detailed budget" included €300 for pot for their development team in Spain.

[–]coinlock 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

I thought they completed several smaller rounds on Lighthouse also. So much money has been siphoned away for these projects that never deliver, very disappointing really.

[–]redionb 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

But the software is working already, isn't it? I fiddled around with the last alpha.

[–]Apatomoose 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They have done three rounds on Lighthouse. The most recent one was claimed a week ago.

[–]Priming 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is there any verification for lighthouse? I know that there are still unspent funds, so I find it rather strange that 'DW' tries to raise even more...

[–]rydan -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's why we have a reputation system.

[–]_niko 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It didn't help. Are you surprised?

[–]imemymind 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

they are still working on it, just too stoned right now ah ah

[–]waxwing 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They raised $50,000 on Indiegogo back in 2013.

It was a lot more than that; I think that was the fiat amount, not including BTC. I may be wrong, but that's what I remember.

[–]tormented-atoms 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is the multi-sig address (source)

[–]Slayer706 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

7 BTC sent just a little over a month ago. I guess they are too busy to maintain their websites and write code, but have just enough time to cash out some of the bitcoins.

[–]circuitloss 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

300 a month...

[–]Riiume 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I dunno, I donated about $200 in BTC though. Oh well, there are other BTC projects out there worth funding (OpenBazaar, JoinMarket).

[–]cqm 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

DarkWallet is interesting

but there are also several fatal flaws to privacy

1) Obelisks know too much, although in theory you can run your OWN obelisk and transaction info from that through TOR

2) You never know the liquidity of the mixer. If there are no (or not enough) coins to mix with then it will send your transaction out directly. Even with stealth it will link back to you in clear. This can be solved with dedicated participants (like market makers) always sending stuff through it. An interesting idea but I'd like them to be anonymous too, tricky to raise funds for that.

3) If you DID know the liquidity, this too would give too much information. As you could correlate this to individuals making transactions

If you just read whitepapers you will never learn the problems of the technologies the creators are heralding. Just stick with private blockchains (and learn the pros and cons of them too, like why you shouldn't use the "mixin = 0, 1 or 2" parameter.)

[–]lacksfish 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

What do you mean when you say

Just stick with private blockchains

[–]cqm 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Private blockchains have "opt-in transparency", public blockchains have "opt-in privacy".

Bitcoin is a public blockchain.

Monero is a private blockchain.

Every transaction and address in Monero is a stealth address. That is relevant here because Darkwallet also uses stealth addresses on Bitcoin's network, but unfortunately bitcoin's public blockchain creates weak links, whereas Monero's private blockchain has no weak links this way.

Monero further obfuscates transactions using ring signatures in every transaction. Nobody casually looking at a blockchain transaction knows the to-and-from address, similarly a casual observer doesn't know the addresses used at all because these aren't published in the transaction or in the blockchain.

Monero is not a clone of bitcoin, and its easy to use browser wallet is here www.mymonero.com

www.shapeshift.io takes monero

[–]xygo 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pity there is still no standalone GUI wallet.

[–]cqm -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

pity indeed.

There is MoneroX, but I've never used it. I eventually buckled down and got simplewallet, the command line tool.

www.MyMonero.com is made by the core developers and it only has access to your viewkey, not your private keys (but its not like anybody would notice if they implemented an AJAX POST Request of your seed). So, I too would prefer a GUI wallet.

[–]metamirror -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Monero

[–]Ramv36 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wasn't this the project fronted/ran by Cody Wilson, of wikiweapons and DefCad fame?

Edit: Yes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cody_Wilson#Dark_Wallet)

[–]wserd 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes and Amir Taaki

[–]Priming 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

In case you want to try out the current Darkwallet Alpha version, here is the link to the Chrome store: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/darkwallet/kaljldbhpbafnfgnkbcfndifmjgmciml Just read the description on the side before you start using it.

To reply to the question: AFAIK the backend stability is the main problem. The Darkwallet is a beautiful product, it only seems that the devs wanted to build too much at once. But give it a try. All is open source (of course), so a community take over would be recommended. If somebody thinks of doing this, please get in touch.

[–]SamouraiWalletDev 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

Check us out at http://samouraiwallet.com and join our alpha test program .

[–]redionb 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Good luck with the project. One thing I noticed: It always sounds strange when I read "Military Grade Encryption".

[–]djpnewton 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

how about "Export Grade Encryption"!

[–]AnonymousRev 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

wheres the github?

is this the only wallet on the face of the earth thats not open source?

[–]jordanwpg 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The site appears to be back up.

[–]comelybythemoonseed 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

So does DarkWallet (specifically the stealth functionality) work right now or no?

[–]Cannon-C 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Site is up for me. Probably was offline for maintenance.UnSystem site is online also. Check if online for you, if not, what nation you from?

Yet Darkwallet has not moved out of alpha stage, how much more funding do they need?

[–]shah256 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ask irc. Stop speculating . #darkwallet

[–]ironmig 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Last commit on github also 3 months ago. Not even a typo fix or styling change. Seems that the dev team gas stopped... But since its open source another group or individual can pick it up. Perhaps amir ran with the money after their donation campaign.

[–]Spats_McGee 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Was this really needed? Between Shared Coin and other services can't people get as much privacy as is reasonably possible with bitcoin? I think it's a great idea in general to work on really strong privacy-preserving wallets, but I just don't know how unique DarkWallet was compared to other options.

Quite frankly, as I said when the project was announced, this isn't Cody Wilson's most disruptive idea. I remember post-Liberator he was talking about 3D printing patented medical devices... I wonder where that went? That would have both been highly disruptive, and perhaps also would have ingratiated him to the people on the left that he was intentionally provoking with The Liberator.

[–]catlasshrugged 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Was this really needed? Between Shared Coin and other services can't people get as much privacy as is reasonably possible with bitcoin?

No, not even a little bit close. http://www.openbitcoinprivacyproject.org/2015/05/spring-2015-wallet-privacy-rating-report/

[–]SamouraiWalletDev 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We aim to be the best mobile wallet in terms of security and privacy. #NoApologies.

[–]wserd 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are no good decentralized options available, but people are working on them.

One project that seems to be promising is /r/joinmarket

[–]liquidify 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

They took my money and never gave me my perks.

[–]um_ya 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dark wallet went dark...

[–]BitcoinOdyssey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

PersonalWallet.

[–]djangocoin -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dash wallet? /s

[–]innawoods_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

To me, it looks like the main guys started their own thing. Wilson with the Ghost Gunner and related stuff, Buterin with Ethereum. Dunno what's happened with Taaki or the others.

[–]moleccc 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't remember Vitalik being part of darkwallet team.

[–]rydan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can't use the word Dark in your name. It just can't be done. It was probably secretly renewed as Open instead.

[–]capitulate_with_me -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

My personal theory is is that it was never intended for alpha and the unstable beta version air qoutes not for real money end air quotes keeps developers out of legal trouble and gives the community a springboard to develop a more mature and decentralized platform.

[–]Jackten 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

Why the fuck don't you just use "" ?!

[–]capitulate_with_me -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

It was not a direct quote. Shit.

[–]yorrick21 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

"You can use quotes whenever the hell you like" when you're not attributing it to anyone.

[–]capitulate_with_me 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

My writing style is bad.

[–]utuxia -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm ok with air quotes.

[–]pgrigor -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Called this 9 months ago:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2de9ff/is_darkwallet_gone/

[–]Cocosoft 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

LOL, way to spread misinformation.
That thread is about a DNS problem with Darkwallets webpage (which is visitable now and today.

Darkwallet developers disappeared around 2-4 months ago.

[–]pgrigor 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Um, no. DNS was just a symptom of a larger problem. I saw they were foundering long ago.

[–]odal_limbs -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe one of these "suck up to regulators to make bitcoin appear legitimate in the eyes of the sheeple" types paid off the dark wallet team to abandon their project. It is a pity that they just disappeared without any updates. I donated to them & was looking forward to their finished product.

[–]NotHyplon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe one of these "suck up to regulators to make bitcoin appear legitimate in the eyes of the sheeple" types paid off the dark wallet team to abandon their project.

Why would they need to do that when the team can budget for weed and run off for 3 months without anyone noticing?

[–]crazyflashpie -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Use Monero.

[–]CryptoEra -3ポイント-2ポイント  (13子コメント)

Anonymity/privacy must happen at the individual node. Coinjoin, Coinswap, et al, seem to require some form of centralization unless they are built right into the bitcoin protocol.

[–]ironmig 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well for a coinjoin to work all parties involved in the join need to know the transaction information of the others. But if you do several chains in a row, it might be pretty secure. You would only need a central party for finding peers, but this could be DHT or whatever like torrents use.

[–]cpgilliard78 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not true. They can all be done in a decentralized way.

[–]CryptoEra -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, well, it isn't happening. I know of no decentralized implementations. So, saying it can be done is swell, but people need the actual implementation.

So, I am standing by my original statement. And like I said previously, unless it happens at individual nodes, it isn't useful long term.

[–]nullcGreg Maxwell - Bitcoin Expert 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Building decentralized things takes more work than centralized, and fewer people have the background. Have patience.

I wanted Bitcoin 20 years ago; but no one knew how to make it then yet today we have it. We know how to build decentralized CoinJoin (and have known even before CoinJoin had a name), have patience... Also, I've heard joinmarket has made good progress.

[–]Chris_Pacia 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is something I intend to work on eventually. I would have done it earlier but I got side tracked working on a messaging protocol that can allow it to be done p2p rather than on a server.

If someone wants to tackle coinshuffle with me that would definitely speed it up. I only get to work on my side projects 2 or 3 days a week in my spare time.

[–]PhyllisWheatenhousen 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

Coinshuffle is a decentralized version of coinjoin. I don't know much about it though.

[–]notreddingit 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Is there any implementation of it anywhere yet? Or other decentralised mixer tech? (besides Dash, I don't know if that's centralised or not though)

[–]CryptoEra 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Monero Privacy at the protocol level and node. Dash tends to centralize and its a massive con job (pre-mine).

[–]notreddingit 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I meant coinshuffle specifically since it's something we could potentially use with BTC at some point. No chance that BTC ever gets ring sigs.

[–]CryptoEra 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is a major, major problem with bitcoin. It is not adapting to people's desires. i.e. anonymity, etc.

[–]Noosterdam 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The moment anyone who practiced good Bitcoin anonymity measures is verifiably arrested for info obtained through the blockchain, the community will respond. Right now it's just a theoretical consideration, and since plausible deniability is the name of the game in legal protections, complete anonymity may not be needed in the real world. Keep in mind that ring sigs vastly increase resource usage, allowing for a lot lower TPS (or less decentralization). Bitcoin will make whatever tradeoffs are most practical to meet real, present threats.

[–]itisike 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Joinmarket

[–]anddrade 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can find a very good explanation of how it works, with illustrations here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=567625.0 It is really easy to understand. I suppose all is needed is a parallel network for peers to communicate, form and sign the coinjoin transaction.

[–]kazuki_49 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

XMR happened.

[–]jonstern -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

That Amir Taaki guy went awry

[–]utuxia -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

...probably got stabbed with a used needle while dumpster diving.

[–]bitkeef 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

prob ran off with a big bag of cash, after mixing it

[–]CoinRookie -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Same thing that happened to every other bitcoin business involving arrogant, theoretically-smart-but-practically-stupid, and mediocre devs who didn't see value in hiring a smart business mind - they disappeared.

[–]ctfn00b 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

hard to call it a business when profit was never an objective.

[–]hangemhigh75 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

bait and switch?

[–]rydan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There will be more bait soon. They just raised a round of funding last week.

[–]_niko -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Free market, liberty, privacy, men-with-guns is what you should worry about, take money and run, never deliver as promised, claim that free market will eventually get rid of scammers, rinse, repeat, months go by, years go by, scams go by, keep distracting marks by the evil government narrative, enjoy the ride...

[–]metamirror -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

TPTB are done accumulating, so no need to use Dark Wallet to FUD Bitcoin anymore.

[–]xygo 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

So why isn t the price going up ?

[–]metamirror 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Patience. They are setting the stage.

[–]utuxia 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm going to buy at $174.

[–]Noosterdam 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If the TPTB are already done accumulating, they must not be planning to buy much. I think TPTB have more than a few million/billion to spend.