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FUCK. ISLAM.(Misc.) (self.exmuslim)

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I don't care how irrational I sound right now. Islam is a plague. It leads people to do dirty, barbaric things. I just watched those ISIS videos. It doesn't matter if they are or aren't following Islamic law. Islam is the bullshit that messes with peoples' minds and drives them to behead people and be violent. There is no such thing as moderate Islam. A Muslim has to follow Islam to the T. This stupid religion is the biggest waste of my life. I don't want to recall how many hours I spent on this fucking religion. Fuck Islam. Fuck ISIS. Fuck the Taliban. I wish the world would just grow out of this mind fuckery. I hate people assuming that I'm Muslim because my mom wears a headscarf.

FUCK ISLAM.

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[–]ykwhiyd 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

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I completely agree that there is no "moderate islam". Its either you're the gun wielding extremist or a sympathizer. Both are no better than the other.

[–]PraiseTheInfidel 31ポイント32ポイント  (8子コメント)

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None of this mess would've started if Muhammad wasn't born.

[–]Abraxas_1134 28ポイント29ポイント  (7子コメント)

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No. People would have found something else to kill each other for. Islam would happen to any religion when it gets out of hand. Remember the Inquisition or Crusades? Yeah. Back then there were people yelling "fuck Christianity." Really, I don't like any religion. I'm pretty sure the Hindus being sacrificed to Khali were yelling "fuck Khali" and the Aztecs being sacrificed were doing the same thing.

[–]AkhandBakchod 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

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Whoa whoa... who the fuck is getting sacrificed to Kali in Hinduism ??? I'm a cultural Hindu, and this is the first time I've heard the accusation of human sacrifice being put on Hinduism.

[–]ventdivin 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

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Genuine question here: isn't there a custom in India where a widow gets burned to death when her husband dies

[–]AkhandBakchod 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

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It USED to be.

It was a barbaric social custom, with no justification in any scripture. It was outlawed in the 1860s, though some few cases (a dozen or so) pop up every year or so in extremely rural and poor areas.

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Sati came into existence when the Muslim invaders started raping the widows and taking girls as sex slaves. Exactly what is happening in Yazidi Iraq right now. The women had no choice than to die along with their husbands.

[–]Abraxas_1134 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

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It's an old practice from a small sect. http://asianhistory.about.com/od/glossarytz/g/Who-Were-The-Thugs-Of-India.html But then again, the Templar Knights were also a small sect of Christianity.

[–]Abraxas_1134 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Okay. Less a sect and more a cult.

[–]deepkick87 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

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about Kali, Indiana Jones showed an exaggerated long dead ancient act a tribe of killers and thieves did to sacrifice for Kali. (The Thugee -from where the word thug comes from) hinduisms not really a religion. its more of a science of existence. i think were all energy and religion cant really explain it. an interesting thought for you. The abrahamic religions are based on a linear measure of time; "In the beginning there was nothing...let there be light" the beginning -> Judgment day. Eastern religions (hinduism/buddhism etc) follow a cyclic measure of time. As in, existence (Universe) always existed, one day it will destroy/collapse/implode (Big bang/big crunch etc) and then start again. I feel somewhat spiritual with understandings of that.

[–]_Trinity-since 2008 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

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It's okay calm down, everything is going to be okay.

[–]Nessie 48ポイント49ポイント  (3子コメント)

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*offer not valid in Yazidi Iraq

[–]_Trinity-since 2008 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

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:'(

[–]JellySickles 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

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offer not valid in Yazidi Iraq

[–]PsychoKam 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Offer not valid for humanity

[–]PsychoKam 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

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I know exactly what you feel. I had such an outburst like a month ago. When they started kicking the Christians from their homes in Iraq. And the whole world was sooo busy with Gaza, while people were dying everyday by those barbarians. But as it was explained to me by one of my dear friends (the people of Gaza are Muslims, bro).

I hated myself, I hated my name, and I hated the fact that when I think in my head, I think in Arabic, the fucking language of this fucking religion.

But I then realized that there is nothing that I can do to help or change anything. There is too much dirty politics and money going on, that a simple guy like me and you don't really matter.

I have really lost faith in humanity. And if there is any 'just' god out there, he/she would stop this madness, but then I also realized that god is not there at all. So I went and poured me a drink and drank myself to sleep.

Booze. That's the remedy to your anger. Drink for all the fallen.

[–]Mesumsince '93 14ポイント15ポイント  (9子コメント)

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Listen, people are good in general. It doesn't matter what religion they belong to. My parents are Muslim and when I came out to them they didn't kill or disown me. If tomorrow morning every single religion was taking out of this world, people will find another reason to fight each other.

If you say anything about treatment of Palestinians by Israel, you automatically become Hitler's love child. Let's not do this in this sub.

[–]L4HA 43ポイント44ポイント  (8子コメント)

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Without religion good people would still do good things and bad people would still do bad things.

But to get good people to do bad things you need religion.

[–]nOx_ragnarok 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

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This. I am a firm believer in this

[–]AkhandBakchod 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Thou hast spoken my firmest belief about religion my friend.

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Jeez this is such a bullshit concept. I know plenty of good people who have done bad things that have nothing to do with religion. So much naivete in this subreddit it's sickening. World isn't black and white people

[–]Vallentain 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Religion adds more reason for people to commit crime. Like abortion clinic bombing. Or destroying Catholic church.

There would still be people against abortion, but nicer people would not feel compelled to go against it just because God says so.

[–]L4HA 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

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A 'good' person doing bad things isnt a 'good' person.

It's not rocket science mate......

[–][deleted] 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

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You literally just said

But to get good people to do bad things you need religion.

Now you're contradicting yourself....

My point is people do bad things, and religion isn't the only motivaton. You don't NEED religion to do bad things as a good person.....

Not rocket science mate

[–]systix -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

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You aren't that bright, yeah?

[–]Thatshow_ED 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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If you need religion in order to be moral, there is something wrong with you. If you would rape and kill without religion.... You're fucked up. I was Born an Atheist and i never did any Harm to anyone, and still every religion wishes to Murder me and send me to hell.

Edit: words

[–]THS89 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Fuck it indeed

[–]shekib82 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Fuck islam. It is a stupid religion.

[–]geraldthehand 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

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religion is a plague - and a whole load of invented bullshit - islam is no more real than catholicism - its all made up shit from a bunch of marginally more literate cave dwellers influencing less literate cave dwellers from a time when we had no better ideas

[–]shekib82 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Amen brother. Islam is a terrorist religion. it teaches violence and intolerance. The only thing that rational people should do is to preach an alternative to islam, be it atheism, agnosticism, buddhism, christianity, judaism... Any other belief system is better than islam.

Islam is a warrior religion of sand Bedouins and the biggest threat to modern society.

[–]DreamerlaxSince 2012 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Woah, simmer down.

I feel for you bro.

[–]MrHazzy 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

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I think Islam is the worst religion. It is hyppocritical and contradictory as well as demeaning to women, as well as 'infedels' I hate it. It is the worst religion created by a man who married a 6 year old. But not only women but brainwashed little children 6-10 years old WEARING full veil Now THAT pisses me off. I don't dislike islam. I Fucking hate it. I wish I wasn't a muslim to begin with. I feel embarrassed that i was once one. Now my mom started wearing a headscarf and she wants me to pray with her and go to a muslim church.. Ehem. FUCK THAT

[–]wazzym 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

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"muslim church"? don't you mean Mosque? have you ever been muslim?

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    [–]xxhamudxxSince 2012 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

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    So... fucking no?

    Why don't you get out of this subreddit and leave US alone? Instead of perpetrating lies about yourself.

    [–]nayahsSince 2008 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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    Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are equally as bad. Islam just appears to be worse right now.

    [–]FBI-SURVEILLENCE 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

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    Relax. There are a lot of other things that push ordinary Muslims over into extremism, like corruption, illiteracy, trauma, poverty, etc.

    [–]Atheizm 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

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    I understand crime but this is a thread about religiously mandated and authorised barbarism.

    [–]im_not_afraidSince 2013 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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    Idk about illiteracy, they are doing a dog good job following their god-book.

    [–]ibnwarraq 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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    post a new thread with your story then (conversion/deconversion why you left etc), would love to hear it :P

    [–]murtaza64Since 2013 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

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    Can people please stop with the "no moderate Islam"? I know three moderate muslims in my life, my parents and my dad's brother, and they are all intelligent, informed, modern, non fundamentalist people. I think everything said in this post is not true for most Muslims.

    [–]Moulhid 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

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    Islam =/= Muslims, however Islam = Muhammad's behavior. And yes, Muhammad has decaptitated quite a lot of people.

    [–]ntheg111 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

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    Moderates provide the shade under which extremism thrives (Sam Harris said something brilliant to this effect)

    [–]TasbirM 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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    Have a snicker, beat the meat, then come back.

    [–]sofilala7 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

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    Jesus loves you <3

    [–]fleeter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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    But do you love him?

    [–]writofnigrodamus 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

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    It doesn't matter if they are or aren't following Islamic law.

    A Muslim has to follow Islam to the T.

    What are you trying to say here?

    [–]Gabe6678[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

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    If someone is following a religion, they can't cherry pick which parts to follow. I mentioned it because I hate when people say, "Islam in moderation brother, real Muslims don't do this or that."

    [–]axck 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

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    Why not? Reform Jews did and continue to evolve their core beliefs to integrate into a modern world. Athiests don't complain that they're not Jews. Why shouldn't there be a Reform Islam that discards the worst parts? It is the only realistic path forward for Islamic integration into modern society in my opinion. A complete overhaul. Face it, you're not going to get hundreds of millions of Muslims to turn atheist en masse.

    [–]hs94 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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    I agree. Islam really would benefit to some degree from such a reformation. But with so many sects disagreeing with each other (and wanting to kill the other), plus the Quran being an unchanging text that is stuck in the past, I really doubt it'll ever happen.

    [–]writofnigrodamus 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

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    I'm still not understanding. You said it doesn't matter that ISIS isn't following sharia law, but now you're saying a Muslim must follow sharia law strictly. Is that right?

    [–]Gabe6678[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

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    Some people say that ISIS doesn't actually follow Islam, and shouldn't be related to it.

    [–]writofnigrodamus 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

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    Okay but you think it doesn't matter if they don't follow sharia law?

    [–]Gabe6678[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

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    I'm saying that wether they do or do not follow Islamic law, I still believe that Islam is the cause of the turmoil.

    [–]writofnigrodamus 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

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    To me it sounds like you're saying, "It doesn't matter if they follow Islam. Islam is the problem," which is absurd because that statement applies to everyone. I must be mistaken.

    [–]xxhamudxxSince 2012 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

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    You're not mistaken. This subreddit and it's active users are some of the worst, most circlejerky, self-loathing, simple minded and non-objective people on reddit. And they'll never admit to it. Many of them make very little sense in their blindly absolute statements at times and tend to get overly emotional and go on pretentious tirades like children. Intelligent discussion ended here a long time ago.

    [–]Vallentain 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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    Are you any different? And why?

    [–]najim-ac -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

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    read about saladin and omar then u will know what is islam . that s all i can say . what u are doing now is extreme nazisme against islam

    [–]a7madooovvv -2ポイント-1ポイント  (12子コメント)

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    Simply , I was a bad person and I became a good one by Islam, Mohammad used to call for mercifulness when "merciful" used to be a bad word for the Christian kings in the Middle Ages.

    I want a little logic here, if I am an atheist and I know that Islam is a lie, why will I call people to be Muslims, make a group, get beaten, kicked out of country and starve. Is it to be famous? Is it to be rich? Is it get women?

    If Mohammad was a lair and he didn't believe his own lie, and when he became famous, he could be rich but he didn't want, he stayed poor and he died and left nothing behind him.why????

    The only reason is that he was a prophet and he had a message

    [–]T-Baggins415 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

    You don't know shit about Mohammed if you think he was a good man. I'll put it this way...when I say he was a pedophile that is actually just the tip of the iceberg. Pedophile, murderer, rapist, necrophile. He sucked the tongues of young boys. You wanna follow a religion started by this sick fuck then you are either completely ignorant of his actions or just as sick as him. Fuck Islam. Fuck Muhammed.

    [–]a7madooovvv -1ポイント0ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Please stop swearing because I usually skip such words to not waste my time... However, he did that for Ali, which is one of the best after Mohammad, when he was a baby to feed him from his saliva and you said he does this for many boys and you said that he did that for sex pleasure which so stupid. That wasn't for sick sex because why he didn't do that to other babies? Why he was married and got kids like normal straight people? He was just a great person who forgave the people who killed his family and friends and kicked him out of his city and fought him and you can't forgive someone who makes fun of you in the social media. However, if you got something, please read the post before this and give me an explanation for that scenario

    [–]T-Baggins415 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

    I'm sorry but "feeding him saliva" is absurd as an explanation. I gotta hear you explain marrying a 6 year old and having sex with her when she turned 9 (Aisha).

    [–]a7madooovvv -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

    I know what you are talking about, although in some books it says she was 9 but the truth is that she wasn't and there is a research done for that and I have the copy but it's in Arabic. However, the main idea is that the things she knew and said after her marriage proves that she wasn't 9 but around 20-25 years old. Mohammad had more anemies than now and no one in his age mentioned that he's a pedophile or anything like that. But they used to put their stuff in his home if they want to travel and make sure that their stuff are secured. They said that he was a magician or a poet or crazy just to spoil his reputation and its mention in Quran as well, how do you think that they will miss the pedophilic thingy... I hope that I can say everything I know about him but that needs a whole book ...

    [–]T-Baggins415 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

    That's bullshit and you know it. To this day muslims marry 9 year olds for a fact. Google "child marriages" and you'll see they all happen in Muslim countries. Aisha is even asked about her virginity being taken by him "he took me from my friends while we were playing with our dolls and he brought me into his house. I was 9 years old" I don't know many girls in their 20's who play with dolls. Ok, so far your answers suck. Next: "Muhammed laid with his dead aunt." The Quran does not specify if he had sex with her dead body but "laid with" usually means that. I gotta hear this one.

    [–]a7madooovvv 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Actually I'm speechless because you are proving that you don't know shit about Islam and mohammad and you just believe what you like which are lies "so far". However, please prove to me from where you got this 9 years old playing with dolls story. Actually I have nothing to say but what you are saying is bullshit or get me your resources to prove the opposite.

    [–]T-Baggins415 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Here ya go! Be honest with me did you ever even open the Quran?

    http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/prepubescent.htm

    Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64; see also Numbers 65 and 88)

    [–]T-Baggins415 -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Sorry here is what I was specifically talking about. Same site.

    Narrated Aisha: The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)

    [–]a7madooovvv 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I know that what I was saying, this is a lie ... I read this from the same source when I was a kid. However, we have a big science of muhammad Hadith which has many and many rules such as 1- matching the Quran 2- matching the history 3- checking the history of those who passed the Hadith to the books to see if they can be trusted and many others. However, you can get more lies about Muhammad. The hadiths you are getting are just the raw material without the filtering, that's why you get at the top of some hadiths "weak Hadith" or "acceptable hadith or whatever and you can get two or more hadiths that are opposite to each other in meaning in the same book. So, not everything there is real. So please if you wanna judge, start with quran

    [–]a7madooovvv 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I know that young marriage still exist and that is really rare, only small minorities in villages do it and you can call this tradition or mentality. Muslims and nonmuslims from the same country do it, that is so stupid to say that is Islam because simply we don't have a text that says so

    [–]T-Baggins415 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I cited 2 passages. So they're both wrong/lies? I know this: If Muhammed did it its "all good in the hood" as they say. That is why child marriage is still prevalent in Muslim countries. http://photoblog.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/11/7324073-child-marriage-continues-cycle-of-abuse-poverty-for-girls-in-over-50-countries?lite

    [–]xxhamudxxSince 2012 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

    Yeah... this subreddit sucks.