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PoliticsI’m the President of the Liberland Settlement Association. We're the first settlers of Europe's newest nation, Liberland. AMA! (self.IAmA)

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Edit Unfortunately that is all the time I have to answer questions this evening. I will be travelling back to our base camp near Liberland early tomorrow morning. Thank you very much for all of the excellent questions. If you believe the world deserves to have one tiny nation with the ultimate amount of freedom (little to no taxes, zero regulation of the internet, no laws regarding what you put into your own body, etc.) I hope you will seriously consider joining us and volunteering at our base camp this summer and beyond. If you are interested, please do contact us at info@liberlandsa.org

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Liberland is a newly established nation located on the banks of the Danube River between the borders of Croatia and Serbia. With a motto of “Live and Let Live” Liberland aims to be the world’s freest state.

I am Niklas Nikolajsen, President of the Liberland Settlement Association. The LSA is a volunteer, non-profit association, formed in Switzerland but enlisting members internationally. The LSA is an idealistically founded association, dedicated to the practical work of establishing a free and sovereign Liberland free state and establishing a permanent settlement within it.

Members of the LSA have been on-site permanently since April 24th, and currently operate a base camp just off Liberland. There is very little we do not know about Liberland, both in terms of how things look on-site, what the legal side of things are, what initiatives are being made, what challenges the project faces etc.

We invite all those interested in volunteering at our campsite this summer to contact us by e-mailing info@liberlandsa.org . Food and a place to sleep will be provided to all volunteers by the LSA.

Today I’ll be answering your questions from Prague, where earlier I participated in a press conference with Liberland’s President Vít Jedlička. Please AMA!

PROOF

Tweet from our official Twitter account

News article with my image

Photos of the LSA in action

Exploring Liberland

Scouting mission in Liberland

Meeting at our base camp

Surveying the land

Our onsite vehicle

With Liberland's President at the press conference earlier today

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[–]theacidbull 184ポイント185ポイント  (114子コメント)

You guys have your own currency?

[–]liberland_settlement[S] 236ポイント237ポイント  (113子コメント)

No - we firmly believe in monetary freedom and competing currencies.

Currently, the most popular currencies are cash Dinar, Kuna & Euro, along with Bitcoin. Some silver coins in circulation too.

[–]graffiti81 361ポイント362ポイント  (92子コメント)

So a store needs to have five plus tills? That seems like the dumbest idea I've ever heard.

[–]Crazycrossing 132ポイント133ポイント  (13子コメント)

A common currency will probably coalesce eventually if it lasts long enough. My guess is it will be something that is useful outside of it's borders.

[–]megabronco 159ポイント160ポイント  (20子コメント)

you dont need 5 tills. 1 till with a chaotic storage system is better anyway.

[–]imnotamimichonest 78ポイント79ポイント  (12子コメント)

Well luckily since it's a make believe land in a fetid swamp there's no stores and no tills, so it won't be a problem.

[–]graffiti81 84ポイント85ポイント  (10子コメント)

I give it a year before people realize that it's much more comfortable to live in a real country and bitch about liberty on the internet.

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    [–]AsherMaximum 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It's really not all that different than having different credit card processors. You can choose to go through the hassle of accepting multiple ones, to increase your business, or you can choose to accept only some of them, to lower your cost. Then you put a sign on the door showing what you accept.

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        [–]ReZemblan 200ポイント201ポイント  (26子コメント)

        Do you guys have decent Internet bandwidth?

        [–]liberland_settlement[S] 391ポイント392ポイント  (22子コメント)

        Yes - that was established BEFORE toilets :-)

        [–]AdamosaurusRex 165ポイント166ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Smart. Its hard to internet in the woods.

        [–]youareaspastic 468ポイント469ポイント  (9子コメント)

        Oh good, I have always wanted to live in a community full of people that prioritise dank memes over basic sanitation.

        [–]almightybob1 189ポイント190ポイント  (0子コメント)

        You've come to the right website.

        [–]ReZemblan 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I asked because like many, I'm a remote worker who depends on Internet access. I imagine Liberland could be quite an attractive proposition for location-independent people who can pick up sticks and carry on working.

        [–]1bc29b 52ポイント53ポイント  (1子コメント)

        basic sanitation can't melt dank memes.

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              [–]Sengirvyr 236ポイント237ポイント  (56子コメント)

              If someone starts a Swiss-esque bank in Liberland, and people hide their assets in it, what will stop other nations from declaring Liberland a pirate nation, and employ overwhelming force against you? All other attempts to do exactly this have failed in the past, what makes Liberland different?

              [–]Abominablechupacabra 406ポイント407ポイント  (25子コメント)

              Actually laughed at "overwhelming force"

              Pretty sure a pair of beat cops from whatever Croatian town is nearest would suffice as overwhelming force.

              [–]sisonp 132ポイント133ポイント  (8子コメント)

              Hey jerry, can you go check out this liberland thing?

              [–]Accipiter46 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

              I'm thinking it would be like Operation Paul Bunyan.

              "In response to the "axe murder incident", the UN Command determined that instead of trimming the branches that obscured visibility, they would cut down the tree with the aid of overwhelming force.

              ...

              A U.S. infantry company in 20 utility helicopters and 7 Cobra attack helicopters circled behind them. Behind these helicopters, B-52 Stratofortresses from Guam escorted by U.S. F-4 Phantom IIs from Kunsan Air Base and South Korean F-5 and F-86 fighters were visible flying across the sky at high altitude. At Taegu Air Base, F-111 bombers of the 366th Tactical Fighter Wing out of Mountain Home Air Force Base, were stationed, and F-4 Phantoms C and D from the 18th TFW Kadena Air Base and Clark Air Base were also deployed. The aircraft carrier USS Midway (CV-41) task force had also been moved to a station just offshore.[6]"

              [–]kidicarus89 26ポイント27ポイント  (2子コメント)

              I would like to watch that movie.

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                [–]CameronThompson 28ポイント29ポイント  (4子コメント)

                they have hope.

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                  [–]214b 122ポイント123ポイント  (43子コメント)

                  Would Liberland recognize Taiwan, if Taiwan offered diplomatic recognition to Liberland?

                  [–]liberland_settlement[S] 85ポイント86ポイント  (41子コメント)

                  Taiwan as in the Republic of China? This is a political question I do not have a mandate to answer on my own, right here and now.

                  [–]ScaramouchScaramouch 219ポイント220ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  Well check with your voter and get back to us.

                  [–]WyMANderly 122ポイント123ポイント  (21子コメント)

                  Taiwan as in the Republic of China?

                  Heh. That answers that question.

                  EDIT: As DEADPOOL points out, "Republic of China" is actually what Taiwan calls themselves. As opposed to the People's Republic of China. So nvm, turns out that doesn't answer that question. TIL.

                  [–]______DEADPOOL______ 178ポイント179ポイント  (10子コメント)

                  But.. Republic of China is Taiwan's name. China is the People's Republic of China.

                  Like the Judean People's Front and the People's Front of Judea.

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                        [–]JWStarfish 193ポイント194ポイント  (62子コメント)

                        How does one go about making a country? Surely at one point this was the land of Croatia, so how did you go about taking it for yourself?

                        [–]lclc_ 113ポイント114ポイント  (17子コメント)

                        It's not land of Croatia, they don't claim it. It's terra nullius: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_nullius

                        [–]Garestinian 154ポイント155ポイント  (13子コメント)

                        Croatian speaking. It's not claimed by anyone, but it's controlled by Croatia per agreement between Croatia and Serbia until the border dispute is settled.

                        So, no luck for Liberland, I'm afraid.

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                          [–]yourslice 57ポイント58ポイント  (5子コメント)

                          It's a confusing topic, but this article does a good job explaining why liberland has a valid claim under international law. Serbia does not claim the land, and if Croatia were to claim it they would eliminate claims for land 10 times larger.

                          [–]liberland_settlement[S] 180ポイント181ポイント  (34子コメント)

                          Surely at one point this was the land of Croatia

                          For more than 25 years, the land on which Liberland is founded, has been completely unclaimed. Well - until recently that is, as we now claim it, in full compliance with common & int law.

                          Croatia still does not claim the land - and if they did, they would be 2nd claimant, not first. And seriously - why would they want a swamp, when they could get a European Singapore. Liberland alone would mean a full 1 pct in GNP growth for Croatia and Serbia alike.

                          [–]ebass 117ポイント118ポイント  (19子コメント)

                          Liberland alone would mean a full 1 pct in GNP growth for Croatia and Serbia alike.

                          Can you elaborate? Why would Liberland constitute a 1% GNP growth for Croatia and Serbia?

                          [–]Enchanted_Bunny 65ポイント66ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          For more than 25 years, the land on which Liberland is founded, has been completely unclaimed. Well - until recently that is, as we now claim it, in full compliance with common & int law.

                          Has any other nation acknolwedged you? I realize you're creating this country due to a legal technicality, but from what we've seen with situations like Sealand, claiming you have a country based on said technicality is a whole lot easier than getting other countries to acknolwedge you.

                          [–]JWStarfish 31ポイント32ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          Thanks for answering. I'm gonna follow this closely, it'll be exciting to see what the future holds for you guys, I wish you luck - maybe one day I'll come visit haha

                          [–]gettingluckyinky 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I think you misunderstand how the success of Singapore came to be if you think "liberland" has any similar potential

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                            [–]Recolumn 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            It's not a country since it is self-proclaimed only. It is unrecognized by other countries and international organizations.

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                              [–]RebelRaven94 34ポイント35ポイント  (7子コメント)

                              How many people do you have in the LSA? How many do you think your country can hold and not be overpopulated?

                              [–]ImperiumBritannia 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              Also curious about this. I'm not sure on the size but I'm given to understand it exists on a swamp and I'm curious as to how high the buildings can go without becoming dangerous. While you wait for an answer, check out the Kowloon Walled City.

                              [–]BeHard 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England Liberland.

                              [–]RebelRaven94 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Will do

                              [–]RebelRaven94 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Wow, that's pretty insane.

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                                [–]RamsesThePigeon 124ポイント125ポイント  (140子コメント)

                                What, if anything, will be illegal in Liberland?

                                [–]DrSuviel 55ポイント56ポイント  (51子コメント)

                                This is really the question. Presumably some laws will need to be in place to protect against things like rape and murder that severely impinge on the freedom of another individual.

                                [–]liberland_settlement[S] 140ポイント141ポイント  (86子コメント)

                                Well - naturally aggression against others and their property!

                                Furthermore (and here we have a touchy subject) we have chosen to adapt a "minimum international treaties package approach" in order to get recognition, and this package includes select Geneva/UN & EFTA treaties, which do include some anti-libertarian commitments.

                                Thus one cannot readily expect to see a completely anarcho-capitalist society built completely on voluntarist principles. But we will get as close as possible to this, while still obtaining international recognition for our new nation.

                                A great many things which is regulated or outright illegal in most of the world, will be perfectly legal in Liberland - and the red tape will be almost absent.

                                [–]RamsesThePigeon 145ポイント146ポイント  (78子コメント)

                                How do you define "aggression against others," though?

                                Are insults illegal?

                                Is statutory rape illegal?

                                Would I be jailed for attacking someone who walked through my back yard?

                                Is second-hand smoke illegal?

                                Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of a sane and responsible society, but I think it's a mistake to assume that everyone has the same definition of what that means. As such, I'd like clarification on what, specifically, is against the law.

                                Furthermore, what are the punishments? Who enforces these laws? How are those individuals elected or appointed, and what stops them from abusing their power?

                                [–]Jabullz 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                This whole thread is hilarious. It's seems that one person could conceivably go into this "country" and immediately take it over within minutes with nothing more than what any kid in any school shooting had.

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                                      [–]MrLucky13 25ポイント26ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                      Will Liberland restrict personal ownership of firearms?

                                      [–]comp006 28ポイント29ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                      No, ownership of firearms is coverd by the constitution.

                                      §17. No law shall abridge the right of self-defense against initiators of aggression, including the agents of the Public Administration where acting unlawfully, including the right, to own, manufacture, sell, and bear arms. https://liberland.org/en/constitution/

                                      [–]ClickHereForBacardi 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Wow, someone's gonna get into one hell of a semantics argument about that one in 200 years.

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                                        [–]sinister_shoggoth 89ポイント90ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                        I can't help but be reminded of Sealand. Has the Pirate Bay expressed any interest in setting up shop there?

                                        [–]overthemountain 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Maybe if they someday have things like... water or electricity or a road.

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                                          [–]drhuge12 213ポイント214ポイント  (247子コメント)

                                          Given the size of Liberland, would you restrict land sales to prevent the monopolization (or oligopolization) of the country's real estate?

                                          How, if at all, will negative environmental externalities be addressed?

                                          Would education be provided to children whose families cannot pay for it?

                                          Would you allow people to sell themselves into slavery? How about sell their organs?

                                          [–]Ariakkas10 68ポイント69ポイント  (60子コメント)

                                          The slavery question really isn't as bad as it sounds.

                                          Selling yourself naturally involves a contract(I sell you my labor in exchange for.....).

                                          Who provides my food? Shelter? How many hours do I have to work? Are you allowed to beat me? What happens if I run away? What happens if you don't pay me what I want? For how long does the contract last?

                                          The more negative I view the contract terms the more money I'm going to require.

                                          Slavery was bad because it was against their will and they didn't agree to the terms or receive compensation.

                                          What I described above is just a job

                                          [–]pheluhnee 46ポイント47ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          Doesn't sound too bad actually. Usually I have to pay to get beaten!

                                          [–]squamesh 36ポイント37ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                          It may be a job, but it's one that's very ripe for exploitation. No one with a stable job and a happy life is going to agree to those terms. Rather, you're going to have the poor and down on their luck selling themselves to you for a last shot at getting out of poverty. That gives you the upper hand on pretty much every aspect of the negotiation and would make it ridiculously easy to exploit for your gain.

                                          Look at the history of indentured servitude in the thirteen colonies as they were being settled. The poor were basically tricked into working for a system with a lot of promises that were never fulfilled and were manipulated into what amounted to slavery

                                          [–]fencerman 29ポイント30ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                          I think you mean it "isn't as bad as it sounds" to people living comfortably in a state with social welfare policies and who already received subsidized education and security.

                                          For people living with no recourse to welfare, who never got an education and have no right to any support whatsoever, the question of "sell yourself into slavery or starve to death" would be a bit more pressing.

                                          I mean, I'm sure there's plenty of people in the world who would love the opportunity to buy homeless people and torture them for sport, but it's not much of a socially positive outcome. On the other hand, I suppose at least then Liberland would have a source of income.

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                                            [–]liberland_settlement[S] 152ポイント153ポイント  (183子コメント)

                                            Given the size of Liberland, would you restrict land sales to prevent the monopolization (or oligopolization) of the country's real estate?

                                            No - we do not see many successful natural monopolies having ever existed, and do not see this as a huge risk.

                                            How, if at all, will negative environmental externalities be addressed?

                                            Severely. If you damage others property through your pollution, or jeopardize Liberlands international relations by throwing garbage in the river - you will likely be expelled.

                                            Would education be provided to children whose families cannot pay for it?

                                            By the state? Nope. By charities & insurances? Very likely.

                                            Would you allow people to sell themselves into slavery?

                                            Disputed.

                                            How about sell their organs?

                                            Probably yes.

                                            [–]HoraceWimp2015 132ポイント133ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                            Given the size of Liberland, would you restrict land sales to prevent the monopolization (or oligopolization) of the country's real estate?

                                            No - we do not see many successful natural monopolies having ever existed, and do not see this as a huge risk.

                                            I'd recommend reading Crevecoeur's letters from an American farmer. One of the biggest points of his work was to argue that freedom was closely tied to the ability to own property. Previous to the settlement of the new world, the elite had an effective monopoly over land ownership, forcing the lower classes lease lands from them under ridiculous circumstances.

                                            Land ownership has a long history of being used to exploit people. I think the OP's question poses a greater risk than you perceive.

                                            [–]Hoominaga 23ポイント24ポイント  (25子コメント)

                                            I've got a kidney available, 100k takes it.

                                            [–]Enchanted_Bunny 32ポイント33ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                            Severely. If you damage others property through your pollution, or jeopardize Liberlands international relations by throwing garbage in the river - you will likely be expelled.

                                            Do you see a realistic scenario where someone damages only their land and no one else's with pollution?

                                            [–]caks 95ポイント96ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                            No - we do not see many successful natural monopolies having ever existed, and do not see this as a huge risk.

                                            You didn't finish answering the question that included oligopolies. I mean, you'd be hard pressed to find a true example of a perfect natural monopoly in today's regulated economy, but you must agree that there are still oligopolies around?

                                            Or do you simply not care? Would you rather stick to your Austrian economics and give up "liberty" for the sake of non-interventionism?

                                            [–]Prufrock451 71ポイント72ポイント  (32子コメント)

                                            jeopardize Liberlands international relations by throwing garbage in the river

                                            As a citizen of Liberland, I don't have a perfect right to do what I want with my section of the river? Are you saying that the river somehow belongs to some mystical collective entity? What if a majority of citizens vote to divide up access to the river? Would you object to its privatization?

                                            Is the government of Liberland going to sue me? Or is it going to exercise police powers and exile me - thereby irreparably damaging my economic activities in Liberland - on the basis of damages to Liberland as a whole?

                                            Are you therefore saying that Liberland retains, in the last resort, complete authority over its land? That individual property rights mean nothing before the rights reserved by the state?

                                            [–]Ckrius 41ポイント42ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                            I think the idea is that if you own the land on either side of the river, you control the river at that point, but you do not have a right to affect what traverses through the river. Very much like if I own a house on both sides of a street, I don't get to throw my trash in the middle of the street. Rivers and what traverses through them is a public matter and should be treated as such by even libertarian governments. If the idea is to do no harm to any other, you can not treat something like a river as your own property.

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                                              [–]SpacePepper 34ポイント35ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                              Disputed!?! We are talking about slavery here. The answer should be HELL NO. There are a reason rules and laws exist. It is not to infringe on peoples freedom, but to protect the freedoms of those who cannot protect themselves.

                                              Edit2: I thought that he deleted his post, but he didn't. I am an idiot, as I didn't click the more comments button. Sorry if I mislead anyone.

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                                                  [–]ylzhan 319ポイント320ポイント  (85子コメント)

                                                  I heard that your real goal is to create a tax haven and allow criminals to launder money. What do you think about these accusations? Do you have any rules on incoming money from outside?

                                                  [–]repeal16usc542a 31ポイント32ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  I think they would need to have monetary infrastructure that's integrated into the international payment system and either a moderately sized diversified legitimate economy or international recognition to be of any use to money launderers or tax cheats.

                                                  [–]liberland_settlement[S] 223ポイント224ポイント  (70子コメント)

                                                  I heard that your real goal is to create a tax haven

                                                  Sure - it is one of our objectives to create a low/no tax society. We do not hide that.

                                                  and allow criminals to launder money.

                                                  No - we do not want criminals in Liberland. But we have a common law definition of what is crime, and what is not.

                                                  What do you think about these accusations?

                                                  That they are bollocks. We want to create a society with maximum individual freedom. THAT is our objective.

                                                  Do you have any rules on incoming money from outside?

                                                  We'll have to submit to some international treaties on this, but basically, we'll have alot fewer rules than many other places.

                                                  [–]Willow_Is_Messed_Up 621ポイント622ポイント  (29子コメント)

                                                  alot less rules

                                                  a lot fewer, Mr. President.

                                                  [–]ylzhan 95ポイント96ポイント  (25子コメント)

                                                  Tax haven ✓

                                                  No - we do not want criminals in Liberland.

                                                  I think you didn't understand my question about criminals. I speak about their money not themselves.

                                                  we'll have alot less rules than many other places.

                                                  Does it mean that money laundering is possible in Liberland? If not, can you argue on that?

                                                  We'll have to submit to some international treaties

                                                  Which of them? Can you elaborate the part about incoming money and rules about banks (if you're going to have banks in Liberland)?

                                                  Thanks /u/liberland_settlement !

                                                  [–]elneuvabtg 82ポイント83ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                  The answers are obvious and he states it when he says 'we have common law definitions of criminals'.

                                                  The answer they are pussyfooting around is simple: money laundering and tax sheltering are not crimes, nor are the people doing it criminals, under the 'common law' concepts of crime they operate around. Note that when asked if "criminals could launder money" he didn't say "no one can launder money" he said "we don't want criminals".

                                                  I'm sure they'd take issue to some of the criminal enterprises leading up to the money that needs to be laundered (I say "some" because I imagine a low-regulation state would be perfectly okay with "small business drug production, small business drug selling, small business sexual services" etc, so many of the criminal enterprises for making dirty money would in fact not be criminal enterprises.

                                                  Maybe some of it would be "common law crime" but in the end I imagine they don't consider tax sheltering and/or laundering to be criminal acts.

                                                  [–]luke37 20ポイント21ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                  Okay, let's say I'm a mob boss from Sevastopol. I've got a shitload of money from human trafficking on my hands. Interpol's watching the usual suspects w/r/t financial channels, so I head to my shell account in Liberland.

                                                  I'm assuming that kidnapping and selling Belorussian 13 year olds to be raped is maybe a little more ethically black and white than growing a little kush.

                                                  Is that money laundering?

                                                  [–]elneuvabtg 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                  Of course it would be, but without protections against it, the only way you get your money in is by hand, in a briefcase.

                                                  If the country's banking system doesn't adhere to international standards then there will be no "wiring money" to and from the country, at all. They wouldn't have access to the standard clearinghouses for these kinds of transactions if they didn't meet the requirements.

                                                  So sure, you could piggyback your money in and try to find a way to piggyback it out some other way. But I imagine the borders would be watched for this sort of thing, because it's basically free money to whichever organization finds you and your ill gotten gains.

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                                                            [–]dangerdark 160ポイント161ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                                            Anyone wanna chip in on some mercenaries to take over Liberland?

                                                            [–]braininabottle 105ポイント106ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                            From what I can gather it wouldn't take much, 102 stoners living in tents on a swamp can't be that hard to take over.

                                                            [–]_ThatWasLeftHanded 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                            count me in, hell, we could form up a PMC of our own to do it.

                                                            ''hey you see those tents over there?"

                                                            "umm yes?"

                                                            "good we just whack 'em in the side of the head and claim it as ours."

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                                                              [–]Snatch_Pastry 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              Are you going to get a FIFA membership? That's a nice chunk of free money, for a small country.

                                                              [–]NerdyNerdXDDD 1117ポイント1118ポイント  (275子コメント)

                                                              Am I the only one here who thinks this entire idea is ridiculous? Here are my main concerns:

                                                              • how do you plan on securing your new nation?

                                                              • how can a nation with no national currency and no reserves survive on a global scale?

                                                              • how do you plan on gaining recognition as a nation?

                                                              • how are you going to fund the infrastructure necessary to have a functioning society?

                                                              • what is your economy even going to be based on?

                                                              • will citizens eventually have to give up their citizenship status in legitimate countries to become a part of this quackery?

                                                              [–]_CastleBravo_ 309ポイント310ポイント  (29子コメント)

                                                              Even the name is ridiculous. Liberland sounds like a reddit joke gone too far.

                                                              [–]unclepaisan 586ポイント587ポイント  (63子コメント)

                                                              Nope, I'm with you here. The whole thing is completely stupid.

                                                              Three square miles of undeveloped forest does not a nation make.

                                                              [–]BurntJoint 264ポイント265ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                              After reading some of the "president's" answers to these question, im still not convinced this isnt another 4chan scam...

                                                              [–]SpanishInfluenza 58ポイント59ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                              And if not a scam, I'd say the guy's answers reveal that he's already been living in a fantasy for some time now. Manifesting that physically with an actual country just seems a waste of time.

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                                                                [–]yourslice 68ポイント69ポイント  (36子コメント)

                                                                It's more than twice the size of Monaco.

                                                                [–]qwsazxqwsazx 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                Which is on prime coastal land; is directly attached or nearby to, and dependent on, some of the wealthiest and most stable countries on the planet; and it was formed when small city states were commonplace and it was much more practical to do so.

                                                                Even then, Monaco's existence has hung in the balance on many occasions (including as recently as 2002).

                                                                The fact that practically all the other tiny city states no longer exist is probably more pertinent.

                                                                [–]Recolumn 52ポイント53ポイント  (30子コメント)

                                                                Except Monaco is actually recognized as a country by other counties and international organizations... "Liberland" is not.

                                                                [–]Darth_Puppy 80ポイント81ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                And Monaco also has an actual economy to support its residents

                                                                [–]almightybob1 44ポイント45ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                Given they plan to make the country a tax haven you could run a considerable economy from one office. A financial economy requires very little real estate.

                                                                [–]Darth_Puppy 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                But they'd still have to have trade/diplomatic relations to support it. For instance, they need to make sure other countries won't just come in to find out which of their citizen's money they are sheltering.

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                                                                    [–]yourslice 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Fair enough - but Liberland is only 50 days old. Monaco...a wee bit older than that.

                                                                    [–]liberland_settlement[S] 60ポイント61ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                    Once - Monaco wasn't recognized either. Things have to start somewhere.

                                                                    [–]Arthur_Edens 52ポイント53ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                    Monaco is a protectorate of France, Vatican City is a protectorate of Italy. Does Liberland intend to seek similar protection from a neighbor who can field a military?

                                                                    [–]DaddyKoolAid 85ポイント86ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                    International politics were a touch different in 13th century, though....

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                                                                          [–]suddenly_mozzarella 106ポイント107ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                          Three square miles of undeveloped forest does not a nation make.

                                                                          Hey, be fair, they have a whole bookshelf full of 19th-century ideological treatises, too. I mean, it's in Prague right now, but still, they have it.

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                                                                            [–]tatertatertatertot 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            They are basically LARPing, but don't know that they're LARPing. It's a really strange situation.

                                                                            [–]ItsObviousYouMoron 91ポイント92ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            Shh you're ruining all the liberty.

                                                                            [–]liberland_settlement[S] 219ポイント220ポイント  (96子コメント)

                                                                            how do you plan on securing your new nation?

                                                                            Please see this response I gave earlier

                                                                            how can a nation with no national currency and no reserves survive on a global scale?

                                                                            You do pretty well? Why shouldn't we? We do not believe it is the role of government to manage money. So - we don't.

                                                                            how do you plan on gaining recognition as a nation?

                                                                            By following the common 4-point approach. Actually, we are already seeing alot of recognition.

                                                                            how are you going to fund the infrastructure necessary to have a functioning society?

                                                                            By paying for it, from money we have or earn - same as everyone else. We just pay privately, cutting our the expensive government middle man. We've already made fully funded plans for airstrip (Liberland International) and basic roads and sewage.

                                                                            what is your economy even going to be based on?

                                                                            Well - I personally do financial services. Others are software developers. Others again are artists. So - its going to be diverse, like any other nation, but very service oriented, as we do not have much land or natural resources.

                                                                            will citizens eventually have to give up their citizenship status in legitimate countries to become a part of this quackery?

                                                                            We do not demand it - allowing dual or triple citizenships. But some nations do not allow it.

                                                                            [–]lachryma 291ポイント292ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                            "How do you plan on securing your new nation?" Yes.

                                                                            [–]oceanjunkie 36ポイント37ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            Serbia is well known for their kind treatment of independence movements within their borders.

                                                                            [–]De_Facto 63ポイント64ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                            THE PRESIDENT HAS SPOKEN!

                                                                            [–]_CastleBravo_ 230ポイント231ポイント  (25子コメント)

                                                                            Are already seeing a lot of recognition

                                                                            According to Wikipedia- Croatia has dismissed you as a joke

                                                                            Serbia sees it as frivolous

                                                                            Egypt has warned its citizens that you may be a scam

                                                                            The Czech Republic considers these activities "inappropriate and harmful"

                                                                            Is that the recognition you're talking about?

                                                                            [–]jdovew 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            Well, to be fair, it is recognition.

                                                                            [–]ICastleBravoUrBikini 78ポイント79ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            Look at Egypt being on the ball!

                                                                            Also, nice name ;).

                                                                            [–]redbarnes 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            All publicity is good publicity

                                                                            [–]RichieW13 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            I think the United States considered themselves a new country in 1776. It took until 1783 for England to agree.

                                                                            [–]_CastleBravo_ 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            You aren't wrong. However, Morocco recognized the U.S. in 1777 and arguably mor importantly France did in 1778

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                                                                              [–]DeSoulis 82ポイント83ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                                              Seriously though how do you deal with the fact that your project fails the moment someone on the other side of the border decides to shut off the water and/or electricity to your 3 miles or so of land?

                                                                              [–]jdovew 54ポイント55ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                              Shhhhh, they're planning on building an airstrip!

                                                                              It's like kids playing house in their parents' backyard.

                                                                              Heaven forbid any of them get sick and need medical care...

                                                                              [–]DeSoulis 38ポイント39ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                              At this point they should just plan to move the whole project underwater and call it rapture.

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                                                                                [–]atlasMuutaras 61ポイント62ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                Actually, we are already seeing alot of recognition.

                                                                                I'd like to know--specifically-- which countries have opened diplomatic or trade relations with Liberland.

                                                                                [–]randomcoincidences 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                "Its not the role of the government to manage money, so we'll just use currencies managed by foreign governments for us because creating viable currency is something way more complicated than the single highschool freshman who handles our economics can tackle."

                                                                                [–]BeerInTheBabySeat 50ポイント51ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                Yes

                                                                                That isn't even a valid answer.

                                                                                Actually, we are already seeing a lot of recognition.

                                                                                He probably meant recognition from other nations.

                                                                                [–]WorldOneWon 72ポイント73ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                how do you plan on securing your new nation?

                                                                                Yes

                                                                                Lol

                                                                                [–]DeSoulis 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                how do you plan on securing your new nation? Yes

                                                                                Very reassuring mr.president.

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                                                                                    [–]Immortal_Azrael 14ポイント15ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                    Is Liberland officially recognized by other nations? If not, how plausible do you think it is that it will be officially recognized someday? Also, once everything is settled how difficult will it be for someone to immigrate to Liberland, obtain a job there, and find a home? This sounds like the kind of place that I might like to live, but I imagine that given the size there are only so many people that could reasonably settle there.

                                                                                    [–]ingerd 44ポイント45ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                                                    What kind of work are your volunteers currently doing/what's the top priority? What do you see them doing a few months from now? A year from now?

                                                                                    [–]liberland_settlement[S] 45ポイント46ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                                    • Building, improving and administrating the growing base camp.
                                                                                    • Challenging Croatian authorities in activist missions.
                                                                                    • Documenting Croatian violations of Int - and Croatian law.
                                                                                    • Building relations locally and internationally.
                                                                                    • Having an awesome time in the summer weather and on the Danube.

                                                                                    Later - the mission will change to moving the Base Camp ti Liberty Island and establishing the permanent settlement needed for recognition - and to provide the infrastructure needed for more casual settlers to follow.

                                                                                    [–]eastb01 14ポイント15ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                                    Do you plan on having law enforcement to protect people from rape, murder, etc? Do you plan on having a military to protect your country if a neighboring country decides to take over once you become moderately successful? Do you plan on having extradition treaties with most of the world?

                                                                                    [–]bullintheheather 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                    When will you be getting Google Fiber?

                                                                                    [–]_ThatWasLeftHanded 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    asking the real questions.

                                                                                    [–]XmasCarroll 25ポイント26ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                                                                    Besides the basics, what things will businesses not be allowed to do?

                                                                                    Being a new nation with an untouched economy, it seems like it would be simple for a business to come in with huge promises and practically run the economy in Liberland. How will you plan to stop something like that?

                                                                                    [–]Enchanted_Bunny 12ポイント13ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                    How "Legit" is Liberland, really? Is it recognized by the rest of Europe or is it on the level of Sealand where it's just claimed to be a country by the owners and fans, but no other governments recognize it as such?

                                                                                    [–]xSaintJimmy 24ポイント25ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                    It's on the level of Sealand as the other countries don't view disputed territory to be free to be claimed by anyone

                                                                                    [–]atlasMuutaras 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                    Probably less than Sealand, because at least Sealand has an ocean posing at least minor inconvenience to anybody who wanted to occupy it.

                                                                                    Honestly, if this "country" ever gets off the ground, it will quickly be annexed.

                                                                                    [–]alyalyaly123xd 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    It was brought up by the Croatian government and then quickly dismissed as a joke if that helps.

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                                                                                      [–]FluffyPigeon 124ポイント125ポイント  (63子コメント)

                                                                                      Do you have dank weed?

                                                                                      [–]liberland_settlement[S] 189ポイント190ポイント  (59子コメント)

                                                                                      A liberty minded camp on the Danube, full of youth from all over the world... What do you think? :-)

                                                                                      [–]yourslice 164ポイント165ポイント  (55子コメント)

                                                                                      And.....20 million redditors just applied for citizenship.

                                                                                      [–]Mentalpopcorn 52ポイント53ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                                                                      And the rest of us live in CO and WA.

                                                                                      [–]liberland_settlement[S] 74ポイント75ポイント  (31子コメント)

                                                                                      The more, the merrier. But what we need is not citizen applications (we have some 361.000) but people who engage in the project and help with building Liberland.

                                                                                      [–]EddyJ87 118ポイント119ポイント  (24子コメント)

                                                                                      So you can have freedom if you work for the state. Got it.

                                                                                      [–]California_Viking 32ポイント33ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                                      He is saying what they need. When someone offers you a birthday cake do you throw it on the ground, because you don't want to be part of the system?

                                                                                      [–]EddyJ87 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                      He's implying that they have way too many citizen requests to feasibly accommodate them all, so "volunteer" efforts will be needed and most likely citizenship awarded based on some conrtubatory agreement, spoken or not. Which means "lay in labor and you can be a citizen". If someone hands me a birthday cake, I don't clean their toilets.

                                                                                      [–]Best_Towel_EU 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      The Lonely Liberland

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                                                                                                [–]gburgwardt 71ポイント72ポイント  (85子コメント)

                                                                                                What is the current state of development of liberland? ie, is it all forest aside from your base camp and that gravel road in the picture you posted?

                                                                                                I'm very interested in liberland, and would consider moving there in the future if there are jobs to be had.

                                                                                                [–]liberland_settlement[S] 75ポイント76ポイント  (83子コメント)

                                                                                                I am right now in Prague, at the Liberland embassy - following a press conference at the Hilton earlier today. Tomorrow I travel to Liberland/The Base Camp.

                                                                                                Liberland, both the mainland and the Island (Liberty Island) is almost completely undeveloped. There are no permanent structures at all (aside from a ruined house from the 80'ties), and no economic or human activities at all, aside from a bit of foresting & hunting.

                                                                                                Most of Liberland mainland is covered by thick forest - and there is a huge polulation of animals, esp. deers and wild pigs. Liberty Island, there the LSA originally settled, is untouched by human hands (outside of our activities).

                                                                                                The Croatians are currently preventing Liberlanders to access Liberland, and even forcefully remove those who are found in Liberland, in direct violation of Int. law. Thus, we have also been forced out of our original settlement.

                                                                                                The present LSA base camp is thus located opposite Liberland on the Serbian side of the Danube. The base camp is complete with community tents, generators, WIFI, field sanitation, homebuilt showers, deep dug fridges etc. Very comparable to a small festival camp.

                                                                                                With direct access to the water front and with a pontoon boat bridge (as well as boats) we use the Base Camp to callenge the Croatians and to send activists into Liberland itself to maintain our claim, and enlist int. support for our cause, while our lawyers work on the legal side of things.

                                                                                                So - Liberland itself is uninhabited, but right next to it, Liberlanders (the LSA) maintain a base camp, much like what you would expect at a remote small festival site.

                                                                                                Does this answer your question?

                                                                                                your base camp and that gravel road in the picture you posted?

                                                                                                Also - you will find tons of pictures from Base Camp here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/811990405553880/?fref=ts

                                                                                                [–]f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5 48ポイント49ポイント  (51子コメント)

                                                                                                How is it in direct violation of international law?

                                                                                                [–]liberland_settlement[S] 73ポイント74ポイント  (50子コメント)

                                                                                                Croatia has no jurisdiction inside of Liberland. Liberland is provable not a part of Croatia - even by their own admission. Croatia has no right to prevent access to Liberland from international waters in the Danube - nor does it have the right to abduct our citizens from either Liberland or international waters.

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                                                                                                    [–]rodthedrigo 30ポイント31ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                                                    Once the dispute with Croatia subsides, what percentage of the land do you expect will be developed? If it is being developed privately, is there a plan in place to preserve certain areas to sustain the environment?

                                                                                                    [–]graffiti81 21ポイント22ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                                    In your country, will children be people or will they be property of their parents?

                                                                                                    EDIT: What about environmental concerns? Will people be able to do whatever they want to their land with no one able to stop them from polluting? Who will be responsible for cross contamination and how will cleanup be enforced?

                                                                                                    [–]theacidbull 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                    What do you do when the number of citizens are more than the land you have? Does it become like an exclusive club or something?

                                                                                                    [–]long_dickofthelaw 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                    Will the courts follow the common law principles established by British and American judges, or start its own?

                                                                                                    [–]deee_ri 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                    How do you propose to police your state in it's infancy, without a law force?

                                                                                                    [–]EvanHarper 87ポイント88ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                                                                                    Why is anyone taking this seriously in the slightest?

                                                                                                    [–]Bad_Internet_Name 64ポイント65ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                    Yeah this really just looks like a bunch of hippies sitting in a swamp and claiming to be starting a nation.. these dudes have a few tents, a car, and as stated in this thread, a lot of weed.

                                                                                                    I can't take this seriously either.

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                                                                                                      [–]diabloman8890 22ポイント23ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                                                                                      Hi Niklas!

                                                                                                      What are the steps needed to achieve Liberland's recognition as a sovereign nation by other major nations, the UN, etc?

                                                                                                      [–]liberland_settlement[S] 85ポイント86ポイント  (25子コメント)

                                                                                                      To be recognized as a sovereign nation, you need:

                                                                                                      • An unowned piece of land
                                                                                                      • A polulation
                                                                                                      • A permanent settlement
                                                                                                      • The capability to engage in international relations
                                                                                                      • Accept a minimum of treaties between the countries on the "nice boys club" such as the Geneva conventions etc.

                                                                                                      Or:

                                                                                                      • Nuclear weapons

                                                                                                      [–]long_dickofthelaw 121ポイント122ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      So when does Liberland start its Uranium enrichment program?

                                                                                                      [–]diabloman8890 46ポイント47ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                                      Hmm, one of those lists seems much shorter than the other!

                                                                                                      [–]liberland_settlement[S] 55ポイント56ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                                                      So I said at our last meeting, but lost the vote :-)

                                                                                                      [–]BearcatChemist 14ポイント15ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                                      Scientist here, what do you pay someone like myself to operate a centrifuge?

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                                                                                                        [–]Throtex 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                        If one were to invade Liberland, what is the best direction of approach? How many troops and which kinds of vehicles would be best suited for the assault?

                                                                                                        I'm asking for a friend.

                                                                                                        [–]ktxy 16ポイント17ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                        1. What is your taxation policy?

                                                                                                        2. Are you a democracy?

                                                                                                        3. If you are a democracy, how do you plan on solving the rational irrationality problems of democracy? Are you just planning on relying on a constitution, and merely hoping that it works this time around? Or are you planning something more intricate? Like what I refer to as a null vote system: basically, you take a census estimate of the populace, require that an elective representative get at least half of that number in votes, any seat which cannot get that many votes remains empty, and all empty seats automatically vote against the passage of new laws (maybe with some exceptions for approving an annual budget, etc).

                                                                                                        [–]Arathnorn 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                        They're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. They take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.

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                                                                                                          [–]lowertechnology 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                          So is this like the Principality of Sealand?

                                                                                                          Basically, are you guys there to simply be a thing? Or is there a goal in mind.

                                                                                                          Also, what's the size of the land you've claimed?

                                                                                                          [–]Alar1k 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                          What if Russia parachutes a dozen or so armed soldiers into your country and claims it as Russian soil due to the "strong historical and cultural ties or the land and its inhabitants?" What is to stop them?

                                                                                                          [–]Good_Ole_Jack_Burton 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                          i am a Liberland citizens from the US.

                                                                                                          When do i get my 40 acres and a mule?

                                                                                                          [–]HonProfDrEsqCPA 33ポイント34ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                                                          I'm a college educated 30 something american with an annual income of about 40k USD and no family. Why should I move from the US to Liberland and how do I do it?

                                                                                                          [–]TheloniousPhunk 117ポイント118ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                                                          This is a joke right?

                                                                                                          Like, once you're all out of weed you're just gonna pack up and call it a day, right?

                                                                                                          You actually have no idea what you're doing, and it's hilarious.

                                                                                                          gl; hf

                                                                                                          [–]serialflamingo 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                          Honestly, I thought it seemed like they had no idea what they were doing, but then I read this thread.

                                                                                                          They really have no idea what they're doing.

                                                                                                          [–]shwag945 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                          It will be over once one policeman and/or border agent walks over says "could you please not" arrests them and then goes about their business.

                                                                                                          [–]BouncingSensei 22ポイント23ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                          Apparently there is atm no one at their "basecamp" because they got thrown out by the Croatians, so yea

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                                                                                                            [–]Crs3050 26ポイント27ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                                            Can I persuade you to declare war on my neighbor Gary? He borrowed my hedge trimmers and won't give them back.

                                                                                                            [–]sportcardinal 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                            Gary would probably win that war though. He has hedge trimmers, whereas Liberland has nothing.

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                                                                                                              [–]TypicalAmericanIdiot 48ポイント49ポイント  (27子コメント)

                                                                                                              Wait is your goal? Seems like a weird hippie commune if you ask me. Anyone planning on visiting should stay clear of the koolaid!!!

                                                                                                              [–]soproductive 13ポイント14ポイント  (43子コメント)

                                                                                                              What will Liberland's drug policy be like? Similar to Portugal?

                                                                                                              [–]liberland_settlement[S] 35ポイント36ポイント  (42子コメント)

                                                                                                              Yes - similar. Ideologically we could not care less what people do with their own bodies, what they produce and what they sell (as long as they do so honestly).

                                                                                                              But we also cannot afford to become the drug nest of the Balkans due to regulartory arbitrage - as it would mean a swift end to our independence.

                                                                                                              [–]patron_vectras 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                              It is very early, but what kind of plans does the LSA think they will consider approving for development once recognition happens?

                                                                                                              Where is that discussion taking place?

                                                                                                              [–]NameIdeas 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                              I have a few questions for you.

                                                                                                              What other countries recognize Liberland?

                                                                                                              Is Liberland one of the "micronation" type states or is it more in the realm of areas not officially recognized by other countries...such as Abkhazia or Nagorno-Karabkh?

                                                                                                              This is the first I've heard of Liberland.

                                                                                                              Is the goal to create a true nation? Will it have it's own infrastructure, police-force, etc?

                                                                                                              Thanks for answering.

                                                                                                              [–]Jastook 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                              As a Serbian i cant help but wonder will you have armed forces? I mean its not like we want to invade you or anything but just to be on a safe side.

                                                                                                              [–]MeanOfPhidias 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                              What about Liberland and technology?

                                                                                                              What are the current utilities available in Liberland or how do you plan on getting them there? Mostly, water/electric/internet?

                                                                                                              If I wanted to host, say, a Tor based torrent seed node with 500 Terabytes of material copyrighted in America could I?

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