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Marvel Unleashing New Wolverine, Spider-Man and 'Controversial' Hulk This Fall - WSJ SpeakeasyComics (blogs.wsj.com)

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[–]the_one_true_b 29ポイント30ポイント  (15子コメント)

The company said Thursday that after its Secret Wars event ends it will launch an “all new, all different” Marvel universe which, according to Editor-in-Chief Axel Alonso, will include no. 1 issues for about 60 titles.

So is this the 3rd or 4th iteration of issue renumberings since 2012?

[–]nmiller3494 18ポイント19ポイント  (7子コメント)

I hope this is the last re-numbering for awhile. It's starting to get ridiculous.

[–]the_one_true_b 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

Do we want to start taking bet the % of those 60 renumbered series that don't make it past a dozen issues?

[–]cwins 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'll take that.

I'm thinking of 60 books maybe 20 will go on. And that's being very generous and hoping Marvel is willing to put time into developing each book and not giving up on it because no one reads this brand new character that has figuratively had two issues. Stick with them through the lows. I'm really hoping for a long run for Young Avengers I really enjoyed their arcs. I was digging Ms. America and Wiccan/hulking.

[–]EADGBrennan 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Though I also really love that story, I don't think it will get a rehashing any time soon. At least not in that lineup or writing team. Jillan and mikelvie are both working on the wicked+divine (or they were, but the series is going to start up again in August as Persephone). I think we may start to see the characters appearing in other series, or maybe new solo books, but I highly doubt we'll see more young avengers.

[–]cwins 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Huh that's to bad, it was a solid story and something different. Not the same faces over and over.

[–]EADGBrennan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. But marvel knows that people love those characters, and they won't let them be forgotten. But I think it'll just take awhile for the right creator to come around and take up the characters.

[–]mysaadlife 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm personally hoping for a new runaways series.

[–]Awesome_Bobsome [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well, you do have to factor in the ones that are planned to stop early. A lot of em could just be 5 issue miniseries, like the current Princess Leia book, or a similar known short run, like Storm or Wolverines. 60 titles post launch doesn't mean 60 ongoings.

[–]centipededamascuswhere's my no-prize 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's the only line-wide renumbering since 2012. A few books have renumbered since then, but none more than once.

[–]ninjaofpatience 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Hasn't spidey switched three times since then?

[–]centipededamascuswhere's my no-prize 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nope. Superior Spider-Man launched in fall 2012, then ended and Amazing Spider-Man came back in spring 2014. No other renumberings.

[–]tehvolcanic 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Superior didn't start until Jan 2013, Amazing #700 came out the day after Christmas 2012. I remember because it was Marvel's only book that week.

[–]SirThomasMalory 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Uncanny Avengers is on it's second volume, Thor: God of Thunder became Thor, Captain America was launched anew with Sam Wilson as cap. Superior Iron man probably counts too, but I honestly dont know if that was the same creative team.

No, they were using the idea of "seasons" to reboot jumping on points in at least Remender and Aaron's series.

Edit: I missed your earlier comment that said none more than once, my bad.

[–]incredibleamadeuscho 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think that the New Marvel model will be very seasonal, with new number #1's coming with creative team shifts.

[–]IQuestionEveryOne 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

On the one hand, for me, it definitely does help new people get into it. I hadn't read comics since the early 90s, and it felt daunting to imagine reading through 15 years of comics to catch up. Because of all the resets they did in the past 5-7 years though, I felt like I was able to jump in at certain points, and also feel like I could complete a whole series, even if the story continued elsewhere.

On the other hand, it does make it a bit confusing about which stories are really new, and which are just renumbered. I am also conflicted by this "all new, all different" universe. Does that mean they are getting rid of all the past and starting fresh? That could be bad getting rid of so much history. It could also be a good way to update some characters. Magneto being a Holocaust survivor doesn't make as much sense now, since he is still like in his 40s or 50s.

[–]deadpa 46ポイント47ポイント  (15子コメント)

"The editor said Marvel is moving toward a more seasonal approach to its comics, much like cable TV shows, which will make them more accessible to a wider range of readers."

This doesn't sound like something that would appeal to most readers. This sounds more like someone at corporate going "hey, I have an idea..."

[–]sbboard 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be honest it feels like Marvel's already been doing this for a few years anyways. With new volumes being created when a theme/creative team notably shifts within the title.

I can't think of a title that hasn't launched a new volume within the past 3 years.

[–]Da_zero_kid 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

Marvel is on to something in my opinion. Seasonal story lines would make it easy to catch up on prior stories, and may provide more closure to their plots instead of the decades of unfinished plot threads that used to be the norm.

Edit: grammar/spelling

[–]SuperCoenBros 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. We live in a binge, "watch from the beginning" culture. Most people feel they have to start from the beginning, and seeing an issue numbered in the hundreds is utter anathema to modern audiences.

[–]Awesome_Bobsome [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't disagree, but I would like to see more clarity in the title for easier organization. Volume number doesn't seem to apply. With so many 'X-Men' books or 'New Mutants' books, just for example, since the 80's to now it can get frustrating trying to figure out what issue goes with what set, especially if you're trying to find one.

[–]Morris_Night 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

They've done this well in limited contexts in the past. The first two volumes of the Ultimates are organized like this and they were very good.

[–]HobbieK 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ugh.

[–]mysaadlife 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually this could be a really good thing. I remember when I started it was tough for me to get into comics because I didn't understand where to begin on certain characters considering how dense some of the backstories were.

[–]alexdelargeorange 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Not American so not really sure what he means by "like cable Tv shows". Does this mean more serialised shows or less?

[–]riwtrz 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

American cable TV tends to be more serialized than broadcast TV but still has discrete seasons/series, so you might have one or two arcs per year and the occasional one-shot episode. Since he was talking about "accessible entry points" I think the emphasis here is on the "discrete seasons".

The subtext is "Hickman's leaving".

[–]Ironnmonster 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Most cable TV shows in the states run 24 episode seasons with 1 episode a week. So the seasons usually run for 6 months and then off for 6 months. So it may be like that which wouldn't be the best for readers who keep up to date but, it may be better for people who read on Marvel Unlimited exclusively or people who let themselves get piled up with back log, This way they get a break where they can catch up. I Understand that in Europe most TV shows only run for 8-12 episodes sort of like HBO shows.

[–]alexdelargeorange 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe it's hinting towards more arc-based storytelling. Like they'll have an arc for 4-5 months, then maybe a couple filler issues to deal with the aftermath and set up the next arc to run for the rest of the year. I'd be cool with that tbh, I don't really have much interest in monster-of-the-week storytelling.

[–]reddstudent 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't think they're comparing themselves to Hercules/Xena. Probably more Daredevel/AoS/GoT than anything.

[–]Jackissocool 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not about having long breaks, it's about having clearly defined story arcs and jumping on points.

[–]Hortonamos 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which is why I don't mind the recent waves of #1s. It actually makes recognizing these things much easier, not only for non-comic-readers, but also for comic readers looking to get into new titles.

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    [–]mayorjimmy 31ポイント32ポイント  (30子コメント)

    guh.... "controversial"

    Gay Hulk? Female Hulk? Black Hulk?

    [–]Bamboominum 37ポイント38ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Gay Hulk rips through clothes, gets really mad about it each time, perpetual Hulk. It writes itself.

    [–]mayorjimmy 45ポイント46ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Or maybe they make Banner gay and Hulk straight but like uber straight and he hates puny queer Banner. So he's like angry and afraid of changing back. Marvel can make him a metaphor for all the repressed dudes who overcompensate to deny their own thoughts. There ya go Marvel, send me a check, you're welcome.

    [–]SHD1313 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That, sounds kind of great. Have the Hulk kill Banners boyfriend in the customary "loved one death."

    [–]Hortonamos 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    In the right hands (ie, not Bendis's), I think this could actually work. I nominate Kaare Andrews.

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      [–]Jweisblat 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Stupid sexy Banner.

      [–]TheTruthandtheAnswer 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Libertarian 9/11 truther goldbug Hulk.

      [–]WideLight 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Gamma rays can't melt steel beams!

      [–]Ptylerdactyl 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      "HULK WANT BUY GOLD!"
      "No, Hulk should continue to invest in his diverse portfolio like we talked about, right?"
      "BUY GOLD! HULK NEED HIDE ASSETS FROM PUNY IRS!"

      [–]Conchobair 31ポイント32ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Bruce Banner is now Caitlyn Banner. As an intelligent creative woman she has to suppress her idiotic destructive male side that just wants to smash and destroy.

      [–]alexdelargeorange 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

      You just know there's some comic writer out there who once took an intro to gender studies class who sees the Hulk as nothing more than a male power fantasy and cant wait to ride in and destroy the character (under the guise of postmodern 'deconstruction').

      [–]Hortonamos 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Some of our best superhero comics since the 80s are deconstructions of pre-existing characters, storylines, and tropes. "Under the guise of postmodern deconstruction" definitely doesn't necessarily mean it will suck.

      [–]alexdelargeorange 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The best ones usually involve a degree of reconstruction. It's not that hard for the educated reader to deconstruct a character or storyline through the lens of a certain kind of critical reading, critics do it all the time. I do it every other week in my degree. It's just that too often a writer will forget that you have to actually add something interesting and somewhat original for it to be worth anything. You can't just argue an antithesis, you have to formulate a synthesis.

      [–]smileimhigh 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Sounds like something you'd see in Femthor

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        [–]JustAMinuteAnHourAgo 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

        I don't really get it, there's going to be a new Hulk who is "The Hulk" but there's already tons of Hulk characters and none of them are "The Hulk" because only Hulk is.

        [–]mayorjimmy 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

        it's like what they did with Female Thor and Black Captain America. They're changing the character, keeping the name, and then expecting us to pretend this isn't a progressive cash-grab.

        [–]JustAMinuteAnHourAgo 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

        I have no problem with increased diversity, but the way they are doing it just seems forced. Like if they actually had all their classic character get old and retire one by one it would feel natural to have replacements, but all at once Cap is old, Thor is unworthy, Iron Man is a jerk, Wolverine is killed off, etc. there are plenty of existing female or minority characters that could easily have had their roles in the universe increased instead.

        [–]ksaid1 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

        there are plenty of existing female or minority characters that could easily have had their roles in the universe increased instead

        That kind of is what happened. The new Captain America, Thor, and Iron Man are , and .

        The problem is that Marvel seems to be propagating the idea that the only way for minorities to be successful is if all the white dudes disappear. Which a lot of white dude comic fans seem to find threatening, and is not a very empowering message anyway.

        [–]Capt_Failure 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

        That kind of is what happened.

        But putting C-list heroes and love interests into the shoes of the A-list heroes doesn't make them A-list heroes. It makes them C-list heroes an love interests wearing an A-lister's costume. Honestly the Marvel films have done it better with moving to the forefront while keeping around their headliners. Let's not forget the Black Panther film that's on the way. It's increasing diversity without shallow pandering, something Marvel's comic books don't seem to understand the concept of.

        [–]incredibleamadeuscho 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Except if any of those white dudes actually read the titles, none of the white dude superheroes disappeared. Captain America took on a role as elder statesman. Odinson was a part of female Thor's book. And Pepper never took over the Iron Man role, she tried to stop him her Rescue armor, she just couldnt stop evil Tony.

        Captain America was officially dead for years, with Bucky taking over the role. No one had a problem with that. But the Falcon does the same thing with Steve Rogers, and it's a bit of a different reaction.

        [–]Hortonamos 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Yup. Also, Falcon has been Cap before, in a few issues in 1999. Nobody cared then, at least not that I remember. Further, I feel like all of these "new" diverse comics and characters are really well written (with the exception of Superior Iron Man, IMO), which is what really matters. It only seems forced in that it's a lot of characters at once, but not in in the context of the stories. Most of the storylines (again, the exception being Superior Iron Man) make sense in-continuity and are quite compelling reading. To me, this is the opposite of a cyincal, PR-motivated cash-grab.

        To me, the Guardians, Guardians Team-Up, and Star-Lord are Marvel's most cash-grabby titles. The writing sucks across the board (though I loved Skottie Young's Rocket), but Marvel just keeps pumping out GotG titles because the movie was a hit. Where are the posters calling out Marvel for that?

        [–]incredibleamadeuscho [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Superior Iron Man is the only outlier, and it's not even that a big of a deal. So Tony Stark is evil for a little bit. And it's not even adding to diversity; it's just expanding the Superior concept from Spider-Man.

        Rocket Raccoon is great. Big I love how all of a sudden the Guardians are this big superhero team. In Secret Wars, there are only a few survivors from the end of the universe, and one of them is Peter Quill for some reason.

        [–]xavierdc 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Nah, I'm sure it's a Transgender Muslim Hulk.

        [–]cheddarhead4 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Maybe he's male in human form, and female in hulk form.

        [–]cyberine 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        There's something similar to that in Invincible, a girl turns into a male 'Hulk' monster

        [–]Pelican457 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I'm fine with whoever as long as it's not Kluh

        [–]nurdboy42 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Gay Hulk?

        http://i.imgur.com/VqjQmxM.jpg

        [–]Poodunk80 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        tony stark hulk. That superior iron man personality would def fit it well

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          [–]barimanlhs 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

          Another Spiderman? Didnt Miles Morales just start?

          [–]nihilance 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Technically Miles would be a new Spiderman in town.

          [–]cybishop3 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

          There have been at least seven Spider-people running around within the past two years. Miles Morales, Kaine, SpOck, Miguel O'Hara, Jessica Drew, Cindy Moon, Spider-Gwen... it could be any of them.

          [–]diegolakes 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

          As they say, change is hard, especially in comics. Hickman once wrote that the illusion of change, not change itself, is inherent to all comic stories. Will it eventually go back to the same Steve Rodgers Cap? Probably. In 10 years will the X-men finally be in the front covers, once Marvel gets the movie rights back? Maybe.

          For now, I welcome these new perspectives, even though they are a bit tiresome sometimes. Llook at it the other way, do we really need to see Banner transform to another coloured hulk (or Kluh? ugh).

          It allows new stories to be told, and that's the most important part of all. I just hope the writing can keep up with the changes, as many have worried with the new Thor (big change, poor writing)

          [–]MavericksFan41 10ポイント11ポイント  (9子コメント)

          Why do we need a new Wolverine? Can't they just give the character a rest for a few years?

          [–]centipededamascuswhere's my no-prize 31ポイント32ポイント  (4子コメント)

          I'm pretty sure the new Wolverine will be X-23 taking the name.

          [–]EADGBrennan 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Pretty sure it's sabertooth.

          [–]IronTeach 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          That makes a lot of sense. After Axis his morality flipped and now he's in the new run of Uncanny Avengers.

          [–]MavericksFan41 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

          That is also what I think

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            [–]Tenzul 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Why would they do it ? Wolverine is cool character and nets them lots of money, whats the point to put him on the bench

            [–]incredibleamadeuscho 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            His title was actually declining in recent years. I think by putting him on the shelf makes people miss the character. People use to complain that he'd appear in every title. Now he's not appearing in any of them.

            [–]Gargantic 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Given recent buzz surrounding the future of the X-Men, I wouldn't be surprised if they made the new Wolverine an Inhuman or something else just so they could re-incorporate him back into the Avengers. Heresy, I know, but I wouldn't be surprised.

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              [–]bobdisgea 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

              Can old man logan be the main wolverine please

              [–]EADGBrennan 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

              Sabertooth is the new wolverine.

              [–]mrpacoc 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I'm glad I'm not the only one who was hoping for this to happen. I feel like Old Man Logan would bring an excellent contrast to any team

              [–]die-linke 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

              I just want to ask, is this all new ironman going to be Tony Stark? He look too clean in the armor to be Tony. And that pose, it scream teenager to me.

              [–]EricWild 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

              The A-N A-D Iron Man was in the Free Comic book day Avengers book (out now on the Marvel app) it's all but confirmed not to be Tony Stark, but it sounds as tho it is someone who founded the Avengers, so the top theory is either Bruce Banner, or Hank Pym.

              [–]Bsollenb 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

              I'm with die-linke, there's something different about that pose. I actually think Iron Man looks feminine, not like a teenager though. Janet Van Dyne? She was a founding member.

              Pym seems like the most logical place to go, but that pose doesn't look like a guy to me.

              [–]EricWild 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I see what you mean, I had ruled her out because in the FCBD book he went on a long rant about science stuff if I recall, so I figure it had to be one of the brainy people. I think it's also possible that it could be someone from another domain/universe. Maybe even a different Tony Stark? At this rate it could be anyone, and they'll probably pull a Thor and not tell us right away.

              [–]MavericksFan41 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              I think it's AI Tony that shows up in Superior Iron Man

              [–]Grishak 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Okay I HOPE they won't mess it up, but this sounds like a cheap and easy way to create contreverse. Create new characters and devellop them, they did that in avengers academy and that was awesome. Leave the iconic characters alone and make up new interesting characters with all the political correctness as you like. Just look at what they did with Luke Cage, he was a token black super hero who eventually lead the New Avengers. Yes, and old character, but nowhere near as iconic as captain america is, that they fleshed out. Marvel has a huge ammount of throw away villains and heroes, use them and let Peter Parker be the spiderman we know and love.

              [–]xaxzzzaz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I think it's great having Kamala as a main character in the new MU, but as an old Shellhead's fan, I have to ask: who's the guy inside the armor?

              [–]smileimhigh 5ポイント6ポイント  (21子コメント)

              I feel like 30 years from now people will look at this as another terrible era of storytelling. Like if the 90s thing was edge, the 2000s will be remembered as the PC era.

              I for one can't wait for Deadpool 2050 to poke fun at the 2000s by traveling back in time and meeting Transgendered Half Eskimo Half Cuban, Muslim, liberal anti-gun Punisher.

              [–]kminsk 4ポイント5ポイント  (9子コメント)

              Look at any controversial social issue of any era: civil rights, sufferage, etc. Notice how they all eventually progress from controversial small group, to splitting the country, to eventual mass acceptance. American society has never moved backwards socially, always leaving social conservatives on the wrong side of history

              [–]randomguitarlaguna 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Well, I'd say 2010s but I agree! Haha I mean honestly a lot of it is dumb, but some of the new characters are kinda cool. I like Kmala Khan and Spider-Gwen and the lady Thor

              [–]SuperCoenBros 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              So far the 2010s have been Marvel's best decade since the '80s. They're taking big risks on exciting creators and publishing a seriously diverse slate. Not just "diverse" in regards to gender/ethnicity, but in tones: Unbeatable Squirrel Girl, Hawkeye, Daredevil, and Ms. Marvel are fantastic books of a completely different tone than Avengers, Spider-Man, or the other mainline titles. There's something for everyone here.

              [–]DICKBUZZSAW 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Are you telling me Son of Juggernaut wasn't one of the best comic lines ever?

              [–]charizard6377 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Has everyone noticed that anyone in the comments defending the change attacks and calls those who hate the changes names.

              [–]autorazr 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Haha, welcome to my existence on reddit. People who think they're righteous love to call me awful names, and I give it right back. Usually I'll attack some form of media, call it something awful and then I got people throwing insults at me. I'm a person, I can say scarlet witch is a piece of shit, she isn't real, I am and yall don't know me at all. self righteous assholes on the Internet dude, the worst.

              [–]charizard6377 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I challenge what others say on reddit all the time and i have no problem with others disagreeing but attacking and calling others names just goes to prove how weak there argument is.

              [–]Da_zero_kid 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

              I'm really not understanding the fury from many on here. It's not like changing your heroes means you have to forget how those heroes were when you most enjoyed them. If I meet a kid who says SpiderMan IS Miles Morales, I'm not going to slap him upside the head. Any quick Wikipedia check shows that all too many characters have had MAJOR changes to their histories, their powers, their motivations. It's just how it is. These aren't just your characters, you picked the version you liked the most and stuck to it, and now you're telling others to get their own heroes. Selfish.

              [–]SuperCoenBros 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Shit, in that "All New All Different" banner, they have both Sam Wilson and Steve Rogers there. It's not like the old characters are just gone.

              [–]Da_zero_kid 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Exactly, let them evolve, or redefine themselves, or pass the mantle, whatever.

              [–]bspence11 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Why does miles have to be Spider-man? Why couldn't he be an original character? I think it would be better for all concerned.

              [–]Da_zero_kid [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

              Im assuming the SpiderVerse saga drove you mad?

              [–]bspence11 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              I got tired after carnage became a thing. Venom is enough, why is Marvel so lazy that they needed to make a second one? I loved Spidey, but he hasn't been handled well in many years

              [–]Maxxbrand 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

              PLEASE NO GAY HULK. I WAS JUST JOKING ABOUT THIS.

              [–]xavierdc 2ポイント3ポイント  (19子コメント)

              This looks awful to be brutally honest:

              • Too much Spider-Themed heroes.

              • Lady Thor is still alive while real Thor is dead.

              • No X-Men

              • No Fantastic Four.

              • Elderly Steve?

              • Wolverine will be back, AGAIN.

              Also, what the heck is this?

              “The world as it is now is not the world of the 1960s,” Alonso said. “It’s a world where the new Peter Parker can be a 16-year-old Pakistani girl from Jersey City, where an African American can dress in the red, white and blue and ponder what that means.”

              TIL Blacks and Muslims didn't exist in 1960s...

              [–]centipededamascuswhere's my no-prize 27ポイント28ポイント  (4子コメント)

              They barely existed in comics, at least.

              [–]incredibleamadeuscho 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Thor is definitely not dead. Losing his left arm matches up with Old Thor from Jason Aaron's run.

              [–]ApatheticMale 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

              Another guy who doesn't actually, currently read comics giving everyone a bad name. Steve Rogers has been elderly for over a fucking year, Odinson isn't going to be dead, X-Men and FF aren't going anywhere, this is a DIFFERENT Wolverine who we can't really criticize very much because know NOTHING about him/her.

              [–]FF3 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

              While I agree in theory, I think Odinson (and Hyperion, for that matter) actually may remain dead for a while longer after Secret Wars.

              Though, for Odinson, death is a more frequent state than most.

              [–]incredibleamadeuscho 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Thor has to come back. The story is laid out so that he is slowly becoming Old Thor. He's missing his arm!

              [–]FF3 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Odinson won't be dead forever. But I think it's going to be a while.

              [–]incredibleamadeuscho 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I think he's going to come back within Jason Aaron's run, which is still ongoing as far as I can tell. So I don't think it's going to be that long until we see him. The whole run is built on these different iterations of Thor, and becoming Old Thor is a huge part of Aaron's story I imagine.

              [–]ApatheticMale 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Maybe, but Odinson will certainly be back in short order. I actually think his character improved without the hammer.

              [–]Maclimes 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I agree. In a weird side effect, I don't care for the new female Thor. But I hope she sticks around, because unworthy Odinson is more interesting than he usually is.

              [–]incredibleamadeuscho 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I agree with most of this, aside from the X-Men and FF stuff. Considering the marketing of Marvel and just their approach, X-fans and fantastic fans are rightfully worried. It seems the X-Men especially are being removed from their key role in the Marvel universe, as indicated by no mention of the X-Men team in this announcement.

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                [–]Neoxon193 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                No Guardians, either.

                [–]mysaadlife 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                They'll be in there, I guarantee it. There's no inhumans captain marvel or doctor strange either.

                [–]EdofDoom 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                When did Odinson die?

                [–]MavericksFan41 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                New Avengers #32 along with Hyperion

                [–]IAmFern 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

                I'm going to quote someone else from another forum site, because I thought he said it quite well.

                "Look, I get that at some points there has to be new elements added to a universe as old as Marvel's. However that's not what this is. Far from it.

                This is a blatant attempt to include blacks and women in today's most popular Super Hero team. And of course instead of adding new characters or using existing ones that are female and/or black, they feel the need to ride the coat tails of established popular heroes.

                Another slap in the face to blacks and women. They are basically saying that the only way to make people care about your race/gender is to put them into roles made popular by white male characters that people ALREADY care about.

                In the past there have been plenty of minority characters in the Avengers. And some of the most powerful and interesting characters have been women. Why not include them?

                This is a disgrace not only to women and blacks but to comic fans everywhere."

                [–]incredibleamadeuscho 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                They arent just adding female and black characters. They are also adding characters from different ethnicities and backgrounds.

                I don't see how it's a slap to face, considering that they are also pushing those other characters to the front. Captain Marvel has a bigger role in the Marvel Universe. Black Panther has a bigger role in the stories. They added new characters like Silk and Kamala Khan.

                Captain America gets killed and replaced by his sidekick Bucky, everyone's okay with it. Captain America gets depowered and works with his former partner the Falcon, and everyone loses their minds.

                [–]Jackissocool 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

                I suspect this was written by a white man.

                [–]Spankcake 2ポイント3ポイント  (12子コメント)

                I'm honestly considering dropping Marvel comics after secret wars.

                [–]Blandwiches [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                As much as Marvel wants this "New Marvel Universe" to be a jumping on point for people, I think it's just as likely to be a jumping off point for some people. I'll see what the new universe looks like before I make up my mind. If it feels too reboot-y, I might jump off.

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                  [–]Spankcake 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Still interested in the movies, so no I'll keep coming here. Furthermore I said considering not definitely so there's that as well. :)

                  [–]LRedditor15 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  Well, if there's rude people like you on here he might as well not come back.

                  [–]richb83 0ポイント1ポイント  (25子コメント)

                  I have nothing against diversity in comics but I do have something against lazy writing. To just cut out 75 years of history and paste in new PC friendly versions of those same beloved characters is not just bad form, its disrespectful to the readership. If you want new diverse characters, then simply create new diverse characters. If the writing behind those characters is compelling, the fans will support them. If Marvel wants diversity in its universe then they have to challenge themselves to make dynamic characters with moving story lines instead of piggybacking on the rich story lines already laid down decades earlier by different iconic writers. Besides this isn't going to work simply for the fact that the movie universe is the real engine that drives everything Marvel does. Marvel can screw up their comic universe all they want but casual movie fans are not going to be on board with movie characters that look nothing like the ones the company build its history on. As the movies keep rolling off the production belt, Marvel won't be able to stop itself from trying to milk every last dollar from that film in the way of releasing comic books to support the original film characters.

                  [–]dcnewbie21 -1ポイント0ポイント  (10子コメント)

                  Are you talking about the Thor/Captain America/Spider-man/Ms. Marvel changes?

                  [–]richb83 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

                  yea, and Gay Bobby Drake

                  [–]dcnewbie21 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

                  As far as Thor/Captain America/Spider-man/Ms. Marvel go, those are all new characters. It's not like all of a sudden, the original characters were changed. Someone else just took their place. That isn't a bad thing.
                  It's an evolution of the what these characters represent. Yes, Peter Parker was a great Spider-man, but his "death" allowed for Miles to take the mantle of Spider-man and make it his own. He's a different Spider-man. He doesn't think like Peter, he doesn't act like Peter. He makes different decisions. We get to see someone different grow up in that suit.

                  Steve Rogers chose Sam Wilson as the person he trusted to take on the mantle. But he doesn't just put on the suit, he makes it his own. He is a different Captain America: his own version of the hero. Before that (after Civil War) Bucky Barnes took over being Captain America for a bit, so someone taking over the Cap mantle is nothing new.

                  I haven't followed Ms. Marvel much, but I'm assuming you're talking about Kamala Khan and Carol Danvers now being called Captain Marvel? Kamala admires Carol and as such named herself after her idol. Mar-vell wanted Carol to carry on the legacy of Captain Marvel and she did so in her own way.

                  Thor is a bit different, but it lets us see who Odinson is when he is no longer worthy of Mjolnir. It allows for us to dig even deeper into his mind, while allowing us to see who else has the power of Thor.

                  All of these are mantles that have been carried on because it creates new stories that let us meet new characters and see how they fit the legacy that their predecessors left.

                  As far as Bobby Drake being gay, I think that's entirely possible. Think about the stigma that being gay has been over the years. Being surrounded by people who hated anything different, maybe he thought that coming out as a mutant and as a gay male was too much to handle. In fact, it could be that with the social stigma of being gay being what it was while he was growing up, he just kept telling himself that "It wasn't right to think like that" or "It's just a phase" to the point where he actually believed it. It could be that he is living his life in an unfulfilling way because of it.

                  [–]randomguitarlaguna 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  Well sorry to be so pedantic but, Peter Parker only "died" in the Ultimate universe but I see what you're saying.

                  [–]dcnewbie21 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  Right, I just figured that was kind of assumed since Miles Morales is Spiderman only in the Ultimate universe.

                  [–]randomguitarlaguna 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Oh okay! I got you! I've been thinking about reading Miles Morales but don't really know if I'll enjoy it. I'm a huge Spider-Man fan though so maybe. Any ideas where I should try to start? I haven't read anything Ultimate just know that Peter died there.

                  [–]dcnewbie21 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Well, you can go ahead and buy all the trades he's in or if you don't mind waiting, you can buy this:
                  http://smile.amazon.com/Miles-Morales-Ultimate-Spider-Man-Collection/dp/0785197788/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1433433876&sr=8-7&keywords=ultimate+spiderman+miles+morales&pebp=1433433883225&perid=1P21PA2TTQN9M6NBBEKF

                  It's the first of three volumes collecting all things Miles Morales.

                  [–]mysaadlife 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Honestly ultimate Spider-Man is some of the best written Spider-Man to me. I'd start with ultimate Spider-Man 1 and go all the way if I were you.

                  [–]JustAMinuteAnHourAgo 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  But why do all of the newly prominent POC and women have to have stories about how they handle the role of a white dude? Can't they have their own interesting stories in their own unique role? I don't really care how someone else would do at being Thir or Cap in their own way, Thor and Cap are Thor and Cap. Legacy characters aren't that interesting when they are all about "how do I live up to the legacy of my predecessor? What do I try to do the same, what do I do differently? When you have an entire team of legacy characters and that's the main dramatic question for all of them it gets old quick. Now I'm not saying that Falcon shouldnt be Cap, that Jane could never be Thor, or that no one could ever live up to Pete as Spidey, but just giving a popular title to another character doesn't really fix any problems.

                  [–]dcnewbie21 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  But that's the thing. These mantles aren't tied down to any one person or any one race. Yes, all the predecessors were white, but that's not what these heroes question. Miles doesn't sit there and wonder how he can live up to the white Spiderman, he just thinks of he fills Spiderman's shoes.

                  While I do get your point that having a lot of heroes have this dilemma of "How do I fit in this new role?" can get old, I think each character has their own take on it. Plus, they move past that. I mean look at Miles now. He's a super hero in his own right. He's made the Spiderman mantle his own thing.

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                    [–]ThisSiteSucksDick -5ポイント-4ポイント  (54子コメント)

                    This is so fucking stupid. Why does Marvel hate their most popular characters? Oh, because they're straight, white, men, and that's evil, or something. So instead of creating NEW characters, which would require things like effort, and talent, they just create bastardizations of classic characters to appease the PC crowd. Then in a few years they can bring back the old characters, make a big marketing push about that, kill them off again, new versions, repeat. Or maybe we'll just be stuck with a Bruce Jenner Hulk forever.

                    [–]ApatheticMale 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    You don't have any idea who this Hulk is. You're rallying against something that you might like just because you think you have some political stance to make.

                    Also, the fact that your hyperbolic nonsense has been upvoted disgusts me. Marvel doesn't "hate" their characters. And especially don't hate them because they're white straight guys. Marvel realizes that because of the time when they came into existence, their cast isn't very diverse and doesn't match with EVERYONE who reads their comics. They have an ABUNDANCE and WILL CONTINUE to have an abundance of powerful, white straight-male characters. They want other members of their readership to feel represented too. This is a demonstrably good thing and only a regresssive moron thinks otherwise.

                    [–]Murozaki 5ポイント6ポイント  (35子コメント)

                    Except Jane Foster and the Falcon have been supporting characters and close friends to Thor and Captain America for decades.

                    [–]ThisSiteSucksDick 1ポイント2ポイント  (34子コメント)

                    And their transitions into being Captain America and Thor were nonexistent. No development, no natural story progression. That's why I liked the Bucky storyline, it made sense, and it actually told a story. Although, that was quickly ruined too.

                    [–]The_R3medy 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    Well, Bucky did have some decent build up in the end of Rick's run on Cap before he became Cap. Foster on the other hand somehow got to the moon and picked up a hammer after she fucking refused any sort of magical help for her cancer, but hey, I guess the hammer doesn't fucking count right?

                    [–]Ptylerdactyl 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    What if she picked it up not because it would help stave off cancer, but because she thought it was the right thing to do at the time?

                    [–]The_R3medy 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Wouldn't she be more concerned like "Hey, what's Thor's hammer doing here? I should probably call him."

                    [–]Ptylerdactyl 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Potentially, but then again, the full details are still a little hazy. It's not particularly hard to envision a situation where picking up the hammer was the best or fastest course of action at the time.

                    [–]ApatheticMale 1ポイント2ポイント  (27子コメント)

                    It's clear you haven't been reading anything. Foster was literally JUST revealed as Thor. We're only now at point when we can start learning about what led her to the hammer.

                    [–]ThisSiteSucksDick -1ポイント0ポイント  (26子コメント)

                    For the last six months we were expected to like this character we knew nothing about while she was in the Avengers, and her own comic? Yeah, great story telling.

                    [–]ApatheticMale 1ポイント2ポイント  (20子コメント)

                    What are you talking about!? YOU READ THE BOOK TO LEARN ABOUT HER, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER CHARACTER EVER. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING MAKES NO SENSE. Think about it and realize you're just mad because the status quo is changing. If you're going to mindlessly hate something because it makes you uncomfortable ADMIT IT. To yourself. Not even to me. I don't care about you, I just enjoy having books with nuance to them and characters that don't all resemble each other.

                    [–]incredibleamadeuscho 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    Mysteries are often used in comics. After all, Thor's first appearance was in Journey into Mystery. The actual comic feature the former male Thor trying to find out the new Thor's identity. It is really great story telling, which we are still in the middle of.

                    [–]ThisSiteSucksDick 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    That's avoiding my point. Marvel couldn't wait to include She-Thor in the Avengers, but she was just background decoration, and there was no explanation for her being there. And I thought they were trying to progress women's status in comics...

                    [–]incredibleamadeuscho 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    you was just background decoration too

                    What.

                    I don't believe she was actually officially a part of the team until her FCBD appearance. Which, like most FCBD stuff, was more of a teaser than anything. She would work with them but would always run off.

                    She just appeared in the promotional stuff to promote the comic. Which worked. It sold really well.

                    It has been a great story thus far. is pretty compelling stuff. It makes sense that she hides it from everyone, including Odinson. The female Thor is just one thing they appear to be doing to give us more female superheroes. They've introduced new female superheroes like Silk and Kamala Khan.

                    [–]ThisSiteSucksDick 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    No, she was in Axis and Rage of Ultron. So was Falcon Cap. No reason for being there other than they're the new PC Avengers, like them or you're a bigot. Also, Silk, Kamala Khan, Spider-Gwen, and Captain Marvel are all terrible, but they don't need to be good when there's a market screaming out, that they will buy anything so long as the main character as a vagina.

                    [–]Murozaki 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Regardless if they are badly-written or not, they're definetly not PC pandering. The marketing might make it out to be pandering, but they definetly happened because the writers thought it would mak interesting stories.

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                      [–]Spycrab_Killer 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      Be glad this isn't DC, where the best Flash has been reduced to a stereotype for the sake of a storyline where a white guy helps a rebellious black teenager with a bad family after he moves to a new neighborhood. That's the way things are gonna be, though because it's a reboot.

                      I have absolutely no problem with Marvel adding more diversity to it's line up because it gives readers more options and representation, as long as it's written well like any other comic. I had no clue All New Atom was announced to the press before I finished reading it a few years ago.

                      When it's like FemThor where the writer assumes criticism as sexism, and incorporates that assumption into the story- like, what the hell? Captain Falcon did it right. So why can't Aaron do it right with Fosthor and probably the new Hulk?

                      [–]xavierdc 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Yeah but where are the X-Men which always added tons of diversity to comics? Or the NuHumans who are all minorities?

                      [–]ThisSiteSucksDick 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      The X-Men have to kept in the shadows because that might increase Fox's profits by .034%!!!!

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                        [–]Ptylerdactyl 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Totally agree, stagnation and unimaginative retreads of the same kinds of stories may have nearly killed comics, but it's a lot better than trying anything new ever.

                        [–]ApatheticMale -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        My god the levels of neckbeard stupidity have reached an all-time high in this thread. Please. Go away. Seriously. Go away.

                        [–]CaptainMehvel -3ポイント-2ポイント  (27子コメント)

                        Because being straight and white (the people who are the core comic book audience) is now somehow 'evil' and 'passe' Marvel brings out more distorted politically correct bullshit.

                        It's not good enough to introduce new characters who are gay or black or whatever, they have to destroy the characters who were white males to send a message. I have a message too: fuck you Marvel.

                        Imagine the hell that would be raised if Blade or Black Panther were suddenly a straight white guy. No, that can't possibly be ok, right?

                        If you want new characters introduce them, but stop bastardizing core properties for 'correctness'.

                        Secret Wars and whatever the hell is going on right now (does anyone even understand wtf is going on) pales in comparison to transgender-bender Hulk or whatever shit they have planned.

                        The golden years of comic books are over. Now everything is a pandering mess. See what happens when the core audience, people like me, simply don't give a shit anymore.

                        [–]kminsk 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

                        Imagine the hell that would be raised if Blade or Black Panther were suddenly a straight white guy. No, that can't possibly be ok, right?

                        That's not the same thing at all though. Making Falcon the next Captain America and Jane Foster Thor inspires more representation, whereas making Blade or Black Panther white would literally do the exact opposite. That's a lazy example and you know it.

                        If you want new characters introduce them, but stop bastardizing core properties for 'correctness'.

                        This is an exaggeration too. Yes, I'm sure Marvel is aware of representation, but that's not their only motivation. Marvel has a long history of replacing iconic characters with convoluted and confusing storylines. Now everyone suddenly has a problem because instead of replacing one white guy with another white guy, they decided to mix it up a little bit? And it's not as contrived as many grumpy comic book fans want to make it out to be, the introduction of Falcon and Jane Foster are both pretty interesting ideas and you haven't even given them enough time to fully flesh out.

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                          [–]Teter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Where's Captain Marvel (Monica Rambeau)?? Luke Cage?? Edit: Oops I see T'challa.

                          [–]Doubleu1117 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          So going forward with Miles and Peter on the same team, what will Miles be called. You can't have two Spider Mans on one team.

                          [–]JohnnyNewspaperseed 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Scarlet Spider maybe?

                          [–]mysaadlife [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          It could be Spider-men. Kate Bishop is hawkeye too.

                          [–]McRantington 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          Guys, remember when there was that really cool ongoing series with a east asian male as the lead? Yeah, neither do I. Diversity my ass more like manufactured controversy.

                          [–]banana_farts 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Well, there was Shang-Chi's series last year and his current Battleworld spin off...

                          [–]McRantington [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          Here's the thing about Shang Chi. He's the living embodiment of the Kung Fu Chinaman trope. He's known for spouting fortune cookie nonsense and wearing pajamas and slipper shoes like a stereotypical rickshaw driver. Marvel has put in consistent effort to kill off "Snap" Wilson because he was an offensive stereotype. I don't see Shang Chi being much different.

                          [–]mysaadlife [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          Well right now there's masters of Kung fu, which admittedly is pretty stereotypical. But silk is Asian and her series is good.

                          [–]incredibleamadeuscho 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          The lack of X-Men in this announcement just sucks.

                          I think the new Wolverine will be X-23, new Hulk will be a new character. New Hulk will be a bad guy. New Spider-Man will be Miles as an Avenger. I don't mind the new stuff, as they are just playing with concepts of these icons.

                          What are the other Ultimate Marvel character joining the 616, besides Miles?

                          I think Jimmy Hudson, Jean Grey, Ganke, Bombshell, and Reed Richards. I would say Ultimate Nick Fury, but I think with Nick Fury Jr around, that wont happen.

                          [–]mysaadlife [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          I think the new Hulk will be the maestro actually.

                          [–]EricWild -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I don't want a controversial new Hulk... but I'll reserve my judgment til I actually see/read some of this. I'll always remember when SpOck was first revealed I felt literally sick to my stomach at the idea, but once I read it, I loved it, and couldn't get enough. So I say wait and see, and in the mean time enjoy Secret Wars!

                          [–]SuperCoenBros 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          It wouldn't surprise me if the new Hulk is Amadeus Cho, maybe following Marvel's SW Runaways series.

                          [–]MavericksFan41 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          Some titles I'd like to see as part of the ANAD Marvel would be a new Agent Venom run, and a solo Hyperion series

                          [–]Retselini -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

                          As a non-comic reader and just base his Marvel knowledge from the tv shows, video games and movies, I'm not a fan of this change. Why does Marvel have to ruin their already iconic characters? Why can't they be just the way they are, like Thor a man, Captain America white, Spiderman just be Peter Parker, and etc. I get it, that they want to "diversify" things, but why must change the characters themselves? Why not make original characters that are black and female like a creative person would, instead of just copying the original, changing a few bits, and passing it off as a new one -- it just seems lazy. I'm not even white, but I prefer the originals and not this diverse mess.

                          [–]neoblackdragon 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          As a comic reader, welcome to Wednesday.

                          [–]interbutt 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          Why not make original characters that are black and female like a creative person would, instead of just copying the original, changing a few bits, and passing it off as a new one

                          Because it's really fucking hard to get millions of people to care about these new characters. It's much easier to change the paint on the hero and have people still care about the new person under the mask. Marvel only makes money by being popular in the public mind. They have to play the long and short game to manage their portfolio. What you're talking about are just the short term plans, and they seem to work (the books sold well and people are talking about Marvel, which is goal 1).

                          I mean, I find some of it off putting too. Mostly just the volume of changes. But the press they get from this shit helps fuel the merchandising/movie/tv/licensing machine and keeps the IPs hot and valuable.

                          [–]xavierdc 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Then add new characters to pre-existing teams like they do with X-Men and Avengers.

                          [–]interbutt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I'm just explaining, not condoning. I think I would prefer new characters to the rosters too. Shame they just killed off Starbrand and Adam just before the Secret Wars.

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                            [–]noodles8503 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

                            so wolverine is a native american archer now?

                            [–]centipededamascuswhere's my no-prize 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            No? That's Red Wolf.

                            [–]Neoxon193 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                            No, that's Red Wolf (as stated). There will be a new Wolverine, we just don't know who it is. Logan will remain dead for the time being.

                            [–]bobdisgea 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            What is this red wolf dude from?

                            [–]incredibleamadeuscho 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            From the article:

                            Red Wolf, a 21st-century version of Marvel's first Native American superhero from the 1970s.

                            [–]bobdisgea 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Missed that thanks.

                            [–]jaywan1991 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                            I just wish comics would create characters that just happened to be minorities rather than create characters in which their only quality is being a minority.

                            Examples:

                            She-Thor: Being a woman has been the main focus of her being Thor. When Thunderstrike was Thor, him having a beard wasn't his only quality, he was a good Thor. I wish they would just brush aside the fact shes female and focus on stories that make her amazing and it just so happens that shes female.

                            Green Lantern (Simon Baz): This is one example where I can think it was done right. They didn't make Hal Jordan a muslim, they kept him white and just introduced a muslim lantern. Sure being muslim was apart of his backstory and the whole terrorist subplot thing but now his stories are about him being a lantern who just happens to be muslim.

                            Captain Sam: I'm split here. Hes a good cap and I like him. Some people don't like him (in his series) as cap because he hasn't proven himself or hasn't been in the military which I can understand (even if he has proven himself) but they've added in somethings that make it seem like they're trying to pull the race card in his series. We'll see where this goes.

                            Spider-Miles: Who could hate him. It was a good story about a kid that just happened to be colored. It was never an issue in his book and the story has been great. I miss me some Ganke though...

                            Kate-hawk: Shes awesome. Shes a great hero who just happens to be a woman.

                            I could keep going but I think I kinda made my point. Don't make a character being a minority, woman or homosexual a character's only redeeming quality or the only quality which makes them a character. Just make them a character who is amazing in their own regard who just happens to be one of those things.

                            [–]MavericksFan41 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                            Does Thunderstrike even exist anymore?

                            [–]jaywan1991 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                            He's dead last I checked. But he probably is a Thor in secret wars.

                            [–]MavericksFan41 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                            The only time I've ever seen him was Infinity Gauntlet, so I wasn't sure about his status

                            [–]spartan_0227 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I'm ok with having different races and cultures in comics, but it seems like a cop-out to me to give already established superheroes to those races and cultures. I think they should consider creating all new heroes instead.

                            [–]Murozaki -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            I love how people keep saying this is pandering to the PC crowd when all of these changes make complete sense.

                            Also, the new Hulk will probably be the Maestro.

                            [–]mrpacoc -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            While I can agree with most points reguarding replacing characters commonly portrayed by white men with minorities (such as it's unoriginal), I actually can see proper reasoning as to why theyd do this. Most famous Marvel characters were created in the 1960's, where the 'straight white male' was the greatest thing to walk the face of the earth, and females/minorites were reduced to tokenism. Its the 2010's now, and they finally have another chance to recreate these characters as if they were originally created in this century. While it'd be cool to create all-new characters for minorities, it's a huge risk and a slim chance that people would even care about a newly introduced character. And its not like superhero mantles are specific to one person, its not uncalled for to have the mantles passed down. So why not have them passed down to people who need proper representation in media?

                            [–]kingbradley95 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            So... it's the new 52?

                            [–]bspence11 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            No, much better. It's the new 60!

                            [–]onin1977 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            And theses changes are one of the reasons I'll just stick to cosmic Marvel, where my favorite characters are gold, silver, blue or purple. Where no one gives a shit what race they are ( unless they're skull or baddoon). Some don't even have genders.

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