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Marvel Unleashing New Wolverine, Spider-Man and 'Controversial' Hulk This Fall - WSJ SpeakeasyComics (blogs.wsj.com)

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[–]ThisSiteSucksDick -5ポイント-4ポイント  (54子コメント)

This is so fucking stupid. Why does Marvel hate their most popular characters? Oh, because they're straight, white, men, and that's evil, or something. So instead of creating NEW characters, which would require things like effort, and talent, they just create bastardizations of classic characters to appease the PC crowd. Then in a few years they can bring back the old characters, make a big marketing push about that, kill them off again, new versions, repeat. Or maybe we'll just be stuck with a Bruce Jenner Hulk forever.

[–]ApatheticMale 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

You don't have any idea who this Hulk is. You're rallying against something that you might like just because you think you have some political stance to make.

Also, the fact that your hyperbolic nonsense has been upvoted disgusts me. Marvel doesn't "hate" their characters. And especially don't hate them because they're white straight guys. Marvel realizes that because of the time when they came into existence, their cast isn't very diverse and doesn't match with EVERYONE who reads their comics. They have an ABUNDANCE and WILL CONTINUE to have an abundance of powerful, white straight-male characters. They want other members of their readership to feel represented too. This is a demonstrably good thing and only a regresssive moron thinks otherwise.

[–]Murozaki 6ポイント7ポイント  (35子コメント)

Except Jane Foster and the Falcon have been supporting characters and close friends to Thor and Captain America for decades.

[–]ThisSiteSucksDick 1ポイント2ポイント  (34子コメント)

And their transitions into being Captain America and Thor were nonexistent. No development, no natural story progression. That's why I liked the Bucky storyline, it made sense, and it actually told a story. Although, that was quickly ruined too.

[–]The_R3medy 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well, Bucky did have some decent build up in the end of Rick's run on Cap before he became Cap. Foster on the other hand somehow got to the moon and picked up a hammer after she fucking refused any sort of magical help for her cancer, but hey, I guess the hammer doesn't fucking count right?

[–]Ptylerdactyl 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

What if she picked it up not because it would help stave off cancer, but because she thought it was the right thing to do at the time?

[–]The_R3medy 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wouldn't she be more concerned like "Hey, what's Thor's hammer doing here? I should probably call him."

[–]Ptylerdactyl 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Potentially, but then again, the full details are still a little hazy. It's not particularly hard to envision a situation where picking up the hammer was the best or fastest course of action at the time.

[–]ApatheticMale 2ポイント3ポイント  (27子コメント)

It's clear you haven't been reading anything. Foster was literally JUST revealed as Thor. We're only now at point when we can start learning about what led her to the hammer.

[–]ThisSiteSucksDick -1ポイント0ポイント  (26子コメント)

For the last six months we were expected to like this character we knew nothing about while she was in the Avengers, and her own comic? Yeah, great story telling.

[–]ApatheticMale 2ポイント3ポイント  (20子コメント)

What are you talking about!? YOU READ THE BOOK TO LEARN ABOUT HER, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER CHARACTER EVER. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING MAKES NO SENSE. Think about it and realize you're just mad because the status quo is changing. If you're going to mindlessly hate something because it makes you uncomfortable ADMIT IT. To yourself. Not even to me. I don't care about you, I just enjoy having books with nuance to them and characters that don't all resemble each other.

[–]incredibleamadeuscho 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Mysteries are often used in comics. After all, Thor's first appearance was in Journey into Mystery. The actual comic feature the former male Thor trying to find out the new Thor's identity. It is really great story telling, which we are still in the middle of.

[–]ThisSiteSucksDick 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's avoiding my point. Marvel couldn't wait to include She-Thor in the Avengers, but she was just background decoration, and there was no explanation for her being there. And I thought they were trying to progress women's status in comics...

[–]incredibleamadeuscho 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

you was just background decoration too

What.

I don't believe she was actually officially a part of the team until her FCBD appearance. Which, like most FCBD stuff, was more of a teaser than anything. She would work with them but would always run off.

She just appeared in the promotional stuff to promote the comic. Which worked. It sold really well.

It has been a great story thus far. is pretty compelling stuff. It makes sense that she hides it from everyone, including Odinson. The female Thor is just one thing they appear to be doing to give us more female superheroes. They've introduced new female superheroes like Silk and Kamala Khan.

[–]ThisSiteSucksDick 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, she was in Axis and Rage of Ultron. So was Falcon Cap. No reason for being there other than they're the new PC Avengers, like them or you're a bigot. Also, Silk, Kamala Khan, Spider-Gwen, and Captain Marvel are all terrible, but they don't need to be good when there's a market screaming out, that they will buy anything so long as the main character as a vagina.

[–]incredibleamadeuscho [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The Silk comic is pretty good. The Ms. Marvel comic is really great. Spider-Gwen's comics have been pretty awesome. I don't know what you've been reading, or if you've even read any of them at all.

Informal superhero team ups are as old as comics, and those were what those appearances were.

[–]Murozaki 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Regardless if they are badly-written or not, they're definetly not PC pandering. The marketing might make it out to be pandering, but they definetly happened because the writers thought it would mak interesting stories.

[–]xavierdc -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I personally love Cap Falcon. The only character that annoys me is Lady Thor. She is widely hated by the fandom yet Marvel kept her post-SW.

[–]Spycrab_Killer 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Be glad this isn't DC, where the best Flash has been reduced to a stereotype for the sake of a storyline where a white guy helps a rebellious black teenager with a bad family after he moves to a new neighborhood. That's the way things are gonna be, though because it's a reboot.

I have absolutely no problem with Marvel adding more diversity to it's line up because it gives readers more options and representation, as long as it's written well like any other comic. I had no clue All New Atom was announced to the press before I finished reading it a few years ago.

When it's like FemThor where the writer assumes criticism as sexism, and incorporates that assumption into the story- like, what the hell? Captain Falcon did it right. So why can't Aaron do it right with Fosthor and probably the new Hulk?

[–]xavierdc 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah but where are the X-Men which always added tons of diversity to comics? Or the NuHumans who are all minorities?

[–]ThisSiteSucksDick 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

The X-Men have to kept in the shadows because that might increase Fox's profits by .034%!!!!

[–]ApatheticMale -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thor is a better book than Captain Falcon and if you don't think those comments [made by Absorbing Man] were made about the book by actual people (like some of the ones in this thread) a simple Google search will show you Aaron literally pulled his dialogue from comment sections. It was an on-point criticism.

[–]Ptylerdactyl 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Totally agree, stagnation and unimaginative retreads of the same kinds of stories may have nearly killed comics, but it's a lot better than trying anything new ever.