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Marvel Unleashing New Wolverine, Spider-Man and 'Controversial' Hulk This Fall - WSJ SpeakeasyComics (blogs.wsj.com)

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[–]deadpa 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

"The editor said Marvel is moving toward a more seasonal approach to its comics, much like cable TV shows, which will make them more accessible to a wider range of readers."

This doesn't sound like something that would appeal to most readers. This sounds more like someone at corporate going "hey, I have an idea..."

[–]alexdelargeorange [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Not American so not really sure what he means by "like cable Tv shows". Does this mean more serialised shows or less?

[–]mayorjimmy 21ポイント22ポイント  (15子コメント)

guh.... "controversial"

Gay Hulk? Female Hulk? Black Hulk?

[–]Bamboominum 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

Gay Hulk rips through clothes, gets really mad about it each time, perpetual Hulk. It writes itself.

[–]mayorjimmy 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

Or maybe they make Banner gay and Hulk straight but like uber straight and he hates puny queer Banner. So he's like angry and afraid of changing back. Marvel can make him a metaphor for all the repressed dudes who overcompensate to deny their own thoughts. There ya go Marvel, send me a check, you're welcome.

[–]SHD1313 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That, sounds kind of great. Have the Hulk kill Banners boyfriend in the customary "loved one death."

[–]anaalius -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

same concept but transgender hulk.

[–]Conchobair 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

Bruce Banner is now Caitlyn Banner. As an intelligent creative woman she has to suppress her idiotic destructive male side that just wants to smash and destroy.

[–]alexdelargeorange [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You just know there's some comic writer out there who once took an intro to gender studies class who sees the Hulk as nothing more than a male power fantasy and cant wait to ride in and destroy the character (under the guise of postmodern 'deconstruction').

[–]smileimhigh 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like something you'd see in Femthor

[–]xavierdc 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nah, I'm sure it's a Transgender Muslim Hulk.

[–]cheddarhead4 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe he's male in human form, and female in hulk form.

[–]cyberine 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's something similar to that in Invincible, a girl turns into a male 'Hulk' monster

[–]TheTruthandtheAnswer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Libertarian 9/11 truther goldbug Hulk.

[–]JustAMinuteAnHourAgo [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I don't really get it, there's going to be a new Hulk who is "The Hulk" but there's already tons of Hulk characters and none of them are "The Hulk" because only Hulk is.

[–]mayorjimmy [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

it's like what they did with Female Thor and Black Captain America. They're changing the character, keeping the name, and then expecting us to pretend this isn't a progressive cash-grab.

[–]JustAMinuteAnHourAgo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I have no problem with increased diversity, but the way they are doing it just seems forced. Like if they actually had all their classic character get old and retire one by one it would feel natural to have replacements, but all at once Cap is old, Thor is unworthy, Iron Man is a jerk, Wolverine is killed off, etc. there are plenty of existing female or minority characters that could easily have had their roles in the universe increased instead.

[–]fedorabro-69 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"you wouldn't like me when i'm hungry..." -fat acceptance hulk

[–]the_one_true_b 13ポイント14ポイント  (8子コメント)

The company said Thursday that after its Secret Wars event ends it will launch an “all new, all different” Marvel universe which, according to Editor-in-Chief Axel Alonso, will include no. 1 issues for about 60 titles.

So is this the 3rd or 4th iteration of issue renumberings since 2012?

[–]nmiller3494 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

I hope this is the last re-numbering for awhile. It's starting to get ridiculous.

[–]the_one_true_b 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Do we want to start taking bet the % of those 60 renumbered series that don't make it past a dozen issues?

[–]cwins 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'll take that.

I'm thinking of 60 books maybe 20 will go on. And that's being very generous and hoping Marvel is willing to put time into developing each book and not giving up on it because no one reads this brand new character that has figuratively had two issues. Stick with them through the lows. I'm really hoping for a long run for Young Avengers I really enjoyed their arcs. I was digging Ms. America and Wiccan/hulking.

[–]EADGBrennan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Though I also really love that story, I don't think it will get a rehashing any time soon. At least not in that lineup or writing team. Jillan and mikelvie are both working on the wicked+divine (or they were, but the series is going to start up again in August as Persephone). I think we may start to see the characters appearing in other series, or maybe new solo books, but I highly doubt we'll see more young avengers.

[–]centipededamascuswhere's my no-prize -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's the only line-wide renumbering since 2012. A few books have renumbered since then, but none more than once.

[–]ninjaofpatience 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hasn't spidey switched three times since then?

[–]centipededamascuswhere's my no-prize 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nope. Superior Spider-Man launched in fall 2012, then ended and Amazing Spider-Man came back in spring 2014. No other renumberings.

[–]tehvolcanic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Superior didn't start until Jan 2013, Amazing #700 came out the day after Christmas 2012. I remember because it was Marvel's only book that week.

[–]barimanlhs 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

Another Spiderman? Didnt Miles Morales just start?

[–]nihilance 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Technically Miles would be a new Spiderman in town.

[–]cybishop3 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

There have been at least seven Spider-people running around within the past two years. Miles Morales, Kaine, SpOck, Miguel O'Hara, Jessica Drew, Cindy Moon, Spider-Gwen... it could be any of them.

[–]Ghostleader6 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

maybe Ben Reilly comes back from the dead

[–]EADGBrennan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Since they already reintroduced and rekilled him I'm spider verse, I don't think that'll happen.

[–]bobdisgea 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can old man logan be the main wolverine please

[–]Grishak [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Okay I HOPE they won't mess it up, but this sounds like a cheap and easy way to create contreverse. Create new characters and devellop them, they did that in avengers academy and that was awesome. Leave the iconic characters alone and make up new interesting characters with all the political correctness as you like. Just look at what they did with Luke Cage, he was a token black super hero who eventually lead the New Avengers. Yes, and old character, but nowhere near as iconic as captain america is, that they fleshed out. Marvel has a huge ammount of throw away villains and heroes, use them and let Peter Parker be the spiderman we know and love.

[–]xavierdc [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, creating new non-white characters with their own identity is better than recycling the same thing over and over again. Look at the Avatar series which are all non-white characters inspired by Eskimo and Asian cultures yet the series was successful. Or Steven Universe which cast is almost entirely female and one of them is chubby. I think Marvel should start exploring creating new characters through animation. Hopefully, that all Marvel/Star Wars TV channel that was once planned becomes a reality.

[–]diegolakes 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

As they say, change is hard, especially in comics. Hickman once wrote that the illusion of change, not change itself, is inherent to all comic stories. Will it eventually go back to the same Steve Rodgers Cap? Probably. In 10 years will the X-men finally be in the front covers, once Marvel gets the movie rights back? Maybe.

For now, I welcome these new perspectives, even though they are a bit tiresome sometimes. Llook at it the other way, do we really need to see Banner transform to another coloured hulk (or Kluh? ugh).

It allows new stories to be told, and that's the most important part of all. I just hope the writing can keep up with the changes, as many have worried with the new Thor (big change, poor writing)

[–]MavericksFan41 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

Why do we need a new Wolverine? Can't they just give the character a rest for a few years?

[–]centipededamascuswhere's my no-prize 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm pretty sure the new Wolverine will be X-23 taking the name.

[–]Tenzul 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why would they do it ? Wolverine is cool character and nets them lots of money, whats the point to put him on the bench

[–]ApatheticMale -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let's read it and see if it's good before we ask this. If it seems forced an uneccesary then, fine. Make your criticism.

[–]xavierdc 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

This looks awful to be brutally honest:

  • Too much Spider-Themed heroes.

  • Lady Thor is still alive while real Thor is dead.

  • No X-Men

  • No Fantastic Four.

  • Elderly Steve?

  • Wolverine will be back, AGAIN.

Also, what the heck is this?

“The world as it is now is not the world of the 1960s,” Alonso said. “It’s a world where the new Peter Parker can be a 16-year-old Pakistani girl from Jersey City, where an African American can dress in the red, white and blue and ponder what that means.”

TIL Blacks and Muslims didn't exist in 1960s...

[–]centipededamascuswhere's my no-prize 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

They barely existed in comics, at least.

[–]xavierdc -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

They barely existed in real life too which is why they are called 'minorities'.

[–]centipededamascuswhere's my no-prize [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Even though they're minorities, they were still a much larger percentage of the population than they appeared in superhero comics.

[–]Neoxon193 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No Guardians, either.

[–]ApatheticMale [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Another guy who doesn't actually, currently read comics giving everyone a bad name. Steve Rogers has been elderly for over a fucking year, Odinson isn't going to be dead, X-Men and FF aren't going anywhere, this is a DIFFERENT Wolverine who we can't really criticize very much because know NOTHING about him/her.

[–]FF3 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

While I agree in theory, I think Odinson (and Hyperion, for that matter) actually may remain dead for a while longer after Secret Wars.

Though, for Odinson, death is a more frequent state than most.

[–]ApatheticMale [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Maybe, but Odinson will certainly be back in short order. I actually think his character improved without the hammer.

[–]BlueBlurDown [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Another comment that adds nothing to the conversation.

[–]ThisSiteSucksDick 0ポイント1ポイント  (23子コメント)

This is so fucking stupid. Why does Marvel hate their most popular characters? Oh, because they're straight, white, men, and that's evil, or something. So instead of creating NEW characters, which would require things like effort, and talent, they just create bastardizations of classic characters to appease the PC crowd. Then in a few years they can bring back the old characters, make a big marketing push about that, kill them off again, new versions, repeat. Or maybe we'll just be stuck with a Bruce Jenner Hulk forever.

[–]Ptylerdactyl [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Totally agree, stagnation and unimaginative retreads of the same kinds of stories may have nearly killed comics, but it's a lot better than trying anything new ever.

[–]ApatheticMale 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

You don't have any idea who this Hulk is. You're rallying against something that you might like just because you think you have some political stance to make.

Also, the fact that your hyperbolic nonsense has been upvoted disgusts me. Marvel doesn't "hate" their characters. And especially don't hate them because they're white straight guys. Marvel realizes that because of the time when they came into existence, their cast isn't very diverse and doesn't match with EVERYONE who reads their comics. They have an ABUNDANCE and WILL CONTINUE to have an abundance of powerful, white straight-male characters. They want other members of their readership to feel represented too. This is a demonstrably good thing and only a regresssive moron thinks otherwise.

[–]ThisSiteSucksDick [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You don't have any idea who this Hullk is. You're rallying against something that you might like just because you think you have some political stance to make.

The Editor-In-Chief of Marvel said the new Hulk will be more controversial than She-Thor, I have a pretty good idea of what direction they're taking the character when comparisons like that are made. And I'm sorry, but why does EVERYONE need to be represented? Is Marvel crusading for social justice or are they trying to tell a good story? Which is it? And you have failed to explain why the old characters need to be replaced in order to achieve perfect harmony between every race and gender. Or why interesting characters like Blade and Luke Cage can't be more prominent, and why Marvel has to take the most popular characters and change them? It's not to shove their agenda down our throats is it? No, definitely not.

[–]ApatheticMale [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You have absolutely zero idea about who this new Hulk is because there is nothing known about them. You're making assumptions because Axel said idiots like you who rally against any change wouldn't like it. Yes, you won't like it.You won't like anything they do if it doesn't resemble the dudebro books from the 90s (which were mostly awful). That's a good sign for the rest of us. Social justice is literally what super heroes do, being on the opposite side of that isn't a good sign NOR does it proclude one from writing a good story. Ms. Marvel exists to further diversity and give young, Muslim readers someone they can relate to and yet G. Willow Wilson ALSO had a good story to tell. These aren't mutually exclusive things. Luke Cage and Black Panther, can and WILL have prominent roles. TV shows and movies dictate as much and Panther is LITERALLY in the promo art for ALL-NEW, ALL-DIFFERENT MARVEL.

[–]Spycrab_Killer 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Be glad this isn't DC, where the best Flash has been reduced to a stereotype for the sake of a storyline where a white guy helps a rebellious black teenager with a bad family after he moves to a new neighborhood. That's the way things are gonna be, though because it's a reboot.

I have absolutely no problem with Marvel adding more diversity to it's line up because it gives readers more options and representation, as long as it's written well like any other comic. I had no clue All New Atom was announced to the press before I finished reading it a few years ago.

When it's like FemThor where the writer assumes criticism as sexism, and incorporates that assumption into the story- like, what the hell? Captain Falcon did it right. So why can't Aaron do it right with Fosthor and probably the new Hulk?

[–]xavierdc 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah but where are the X-Men which always added tons of diversity to comics? Or the NuHumans who are all minorities?

[–]ThisSiteSucksDick 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

The X-Men have to kept in the shadows because that might increase Fox's profits by .034%!!!!

[–]ApatheticMale -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thor is a better book than Captain Falcon and if you don't think those comments [made by Absorbing Man] were made about the book by actual people (like some of the ones in this thread) a simple Google search will show you Aaron literally pulled his dialogue from comment sections. It was an on-point criticism.

[–]Murozaki 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

Except Jane Foster and the Falcon have been supporting characters and close friends to Thor and Captain America for decades.

[–]ThisSiteSucksDick [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

And their transitions into being Captain America and Thor were nonexistent. No development, no natural story progression. That's why I liked Bucky storyline, it made sense, and it actually told a story. Although, that was quickly ruined too.

[–]The_R3medy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well, Bucky did have some decent build up in the end of Rick's run on Cap before he became Cap. Foster on the other hand somehow got to the moon and picked up a hammer after she fucking refused any sort of magical help for her cancer, but hey, I guess the hammer doesn't fucking count right?

[–]Murozaki [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Regardless if they are badly-written or not, they're definetly not PC pandering. The marketing might make it out to be pandering, but they definetly happened because the writers thought it would mak interesting stories.

[–]xavierdc [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I personally love Cap Falcon. The only character that annoys me is Lady Thor. She is widely hated by the fandom yet Marvel kept her post-SW.

[–]ApatheticMale [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

It's clear you haven't been reading anything. Foster was literally JUST revealed as Thor. We're only now at point when we can start learning about what led her to the hammer.

[–]ThisSiteSucksDick [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

For the last six months we were expected to like this character we knew nothing about while she was in the Avengers, and her own comic? Yeah, great story telling.

[–]ApatheticMale [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

What are you talking about!? YOU READ THE BOOK TO LEARN ABOUT HER, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER CHARACTER EVER. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING MAKES NO SENSE. Think about it and realize you're just mad because the status quo is changing. If you're going to mindlessly hate something because it makes you uncomfortable ADMIT IT. To yourself. Not even to me. I don't care about you, I just enjoy having books with nuance to them and characters that don't all resemble each other.

[–]BlueBlurDown [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Do you even read? I'm not just talking about comics, but can you even read? I doubt you ever bought a comic book in your life.

[–]ApatheticMale 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

My god the levels of neckbeard stupidity have reached an all-time high in this thread. Please. Go away. Seriously. Go away.

[–]BlueBlurDown [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Can you listen to yourself? You SPAM comments and troll around. Just go away. You haven't made a single valid point. You just shout at the top of your lungs. Go away. You're hideous.

[–]CaptainMehvel 0ポイント1ポイント  (14子コメント)

Because being straight and white (the people who are the core comic book audience) is now somehow 'evil' and 'passe' Marvel brings out more distorted politically correct bullshit.

It's not good enough to introduce new characters who are gay or black or whatever, they have to destroy the characters who were white males to send a message. I have a message too: fuck you Marvel.

Imagine the hell that would be raised if Blade or Black Panther were suddenly a straight white guy. No, that can't possibly be ok, right?

If you want new characters introduce them, but stop bastardizing core properties for 'correctness'.

Secret Wars and whatever the hell is going on right now (does anyone even understand wtf is going on) pales in comparison to transgender-bender Hulk or whatever shit they have planned.

The golden years of comic books are over. Now everything is a pandering mess. See what happens when the core audience, people like me, simply don't give a shit anymore.

[–]kminsk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Imagine the hell that would be raised if Blade or Black Panther were suddenly a straight white guy. No, that can't possibly be ok, right?

That's not the same thing at all though. Making Falcon the next Captain America and Jane Foster Thor inspires more representation, whereas making Blade or Black Panther white would literally do the exact opposite. That's a lazy example and you know it.

If you want new characters introduce them, but stop bastardizing core properties for 'correctness'.

This is an exaggeration too. Yes, I'm sure Marvel is aware of representation, but that's not their only motivation. Marvel has a long history of replacing iconic characters with convoluted and confusing storylines. Now everyone suddenly has a problem because instead of replacing one white guy with another white guy, they decided to mix it up a little bit? And it's not as contrived as many grumpy comic book fans want to make it out to be, the introduction of Falcon and Jane Foster are both pretty interesting ideas and you haven't even given them enough time to fully flesh out.

[–]Retselini [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

As a non-comic reader and just base his Marvel knowledge from the tv shows, video games and movies, I'm not a fan of this change. Why does Marvel have to ruin their already iconic characters? Why can't they be just the way they are, like Thor a man, Captain America white, Spiderman just be Peter Parker, and etc. I get it, that they want to "diversify" things, but why must change the characters themselves? Why not make original characters that are black and female like a creative person would, instead of just copying the original, changing a few bits, and passing it off as a new one -- it just seems lazy. I'm not even white, but I prefer the originals and not this diverse mess.

[–]richb83 1ポイント2ポイント  (18子コメント)

I have nothing against diversity in comics but I do have something against lazy writing. To just cut out 75 years of history and paste in new PC friendly versions of those same beloved characters is not just bad form, its disrespectful to the readership. If you want new diverse characters, then simply create new diverse characters. If the writing behind those characters is compelling, the fans will support them. If Marvel wants diversity in its universe then they have to challenge themselves to make dynamic characters with moving story lines instead of piggybacking on the rich story lines already laid down decades earlier by different iconic writers. Besides this isn't going to work simply for the fact that the movie universe is the real engine that drives everything Marvel does. Marvel can screw up their comic universe all they want but casual movie fans are not going to be on board with movie characters that look nothing like the ones the company build its history on. As the movies keep rolling off the production belt, Marvel won't be able to stop itself from trying to milk every last dollar from that film in the way of releasing comic books to support the original film characters.

[–]CaptainMehvel -4ポイント-3ポイント  (8子コメント)

I think once they went to Disney things got worse. Just recently they even decided (in the star wars comics) that Han Solo has a pre-existing marriage. That's not enough though, it has to be to a black chick (of course) because there isn't enough social programming for far-left Disney at any given moment. Gotta keep shoving it down people's throats.

[–]dcnewbie21 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Just out of curiosity, what's wrong with him having a pre-existing marriage with someone of a different race?

[–]CaptainMehvel -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's social programming, nothing more. What's wrong with him having a pre-existing marriage to the same race? Everything they are doing in such context is there to push an agenda. In this case race mixing as an objective instead of just something that happens on occasion.

It wasn't something random. She's a character. They made the very distinct choice to make her black on purpose. It's an agenda to push an idea of a cultural norm that they want. Nothing less.

[–]FF3 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

His best frenemy is also black. Think that might be related?

[–]CaptainMehvel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Blacks are by and large the widest receivers of the social programming agenda. She couldn't have been asian, right? Or hispanic? No, it's always black.

[–]kminsk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

wasn't something random. She's a character. They made the very distinct choice to make her black on purpose.

I think this is a huge reason why it's incredibly important to have more representation in comics, TV, movies, etc. After decades of white dominated entertainment, you see a black character and your first thought is "The liberals! The SJWs! The social programming!". Instead of thinking "Oh, it's Han Solo's wife". After such a long of time of the familiarity of seeing 95% white entertainment, sure, I can see it looking slightly forced for all this "representation" to be pushed in recent years. But hopefully once this transition period is over (which only exists to compensate for years of backwords thinking and lacking representation) readers can see people of all walks of life in their comics and not think twice about it

[–]dcnewbie21 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why does it have to be an agenda? Why can't it just be the author's choice of what he thinks Han Solo's ex-wife looks like?

[–]kashumeof19 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

And being married to a white chick wouldn't be a cultural norm that you want?

[–]richb83 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I did myself the favor of not even reading any of the Star Wars books

[–]dcnewbie21 -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

Are you talking about the Thor/Captain America/Spider-man/Ms. Marvel changes?

[–]richb83 [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

yea, and Gay Bobby Drake

[–]dcnewbie21 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

As far as Thor/Captain America/Spider-man/Ms. Marvel go, those are all new characters. It's not like all of a sudden, the original characters were changed. Someone else just took their place. That isn't a bad thing.
It's an evolution of the what these characters represent. Yes, Peter Parker was a great Spider-man, but his "death" allowed for Miles to take the mantle of Spider-man and make it his own. He's a different Spider-man. He doesn't think like Peter, he doesn't act like Peter. He makes different decisions. We get to see someone different grow up in that suit.

Steve Rogers chose Sam Wilson as the person he trusted to take on the mantle. But he doesn't just put on the suit, he makes it his own. He is a different Captain America: his own version of the hero. Before that (after Civil War) Bucky Barnes took over being Captain America for a bit, so someone taking over the Cap mantle is nothing new.

I haven't followed Ms. Marvel much, but I'm assuming you're talking about Kamala Khan and Carol Danvers now being called Captain Marvel? Kamala admires Carol and as such named herself after her idol. Mar-vell wanted Carol to carry on the legacy of Captain Marvel and she did so in her own way.

Thor is a bit different, but it lets us see who Odinson is when he is no longer worthy of Mjolnir. It allows for us to dig even deeper into his mind, while allowing us to see who else has the power of Thor.

All of these are mantles that have been carried on because it creates new stories that let us meet new characters and see how they fit the legacy that their predecessors left.

As far as Bobby Drake being gay, I think that's entirely possible. Think about the stigma that being gay has been over the years. Being surrounded by people who hated anything different, maybe he thought that coming out as a mutant and as a gay male was too much to handle. In fact, it could be that with the social stigma of being gay being what it was while he was growing up, he just kept telling himself that "It wasn't right to think like that" or "It's just a phase" to the point where he actually believed it. It could be that he is living his life in an unfulfilling way because of it.

[–]randomguitarlaguna [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Well sorry to be so pedantic but, Peter Parker only "died" in the Ultimate universe but I see what you're saying.

[–]dcnewbie21 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Right, I just figured that was kind of assumed since Miles Morales is Spiderman only in the Ultimate universe.

[–]randomguitarlaguna [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Oh okay! I got you! I've been thinking about reading Miles Morales but don't really know if I'll enjoy it. I'm a huge Spider-Man fan though so maybe. Any ideas where I should try to start? I haven't read anything Ultimate just know that Peter died there.

[–]JustAMinuteAnHourAgo [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

But why do all of the newly prominent POC and women have to have stories about how they handle the role of a white dude? Can't they have their own interesting stories in their own unique role? I don't really care how someone else would do at being Thir or Cap in their own way, Thor and Cap are Thor and Cap. Legacy characters aren't that interesting when they are all about "how do I live up to the legacy of my predecessor? What do I try to do the same, what do I do differently? When you have an entire team of legacy characters and that's the main dramatic question for all of them it gets old quick. Now I'm not saying that Falcon shouldnt be Cap, that Jane could never be Thor, or that no one could ever live up to Pete as Spidey, but just giving a popular title to another character doesn't really fix any problems.

[–]dcnewbie21 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But that's the thing. These mantles aren't tied down to any one person or any one race. Yes, all the predecessors were white, but that's not what these heroes question. Miles doesn't sit there and wonder how he can live up to the white Spiderman, he just thinks of he fills Spiderman's shoes.

While I do get your point that having a lot of heroes have this dilemma of "How do I fit in this new role?" can get old, I think each character has their own take on it. Plus, they move past that. I mean look at Miles now. He's a super hero in his own right. He's made the Spiderman mantle his own thing.

[–]smileimhigh 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

I feel like 30 years from now people will look at this as another terrible era of storytelling. Like if the 90s thing was edge, the 2000s will be remembered as the PC era.

I for one can't wait for Deadpool 2050 to poke fun at the 2000s by traveling back in time and meeting Transgendered Half Eskimo Half Cuban, Muslim, liberal anti-gun Punisher.

[–]DICKBUZZSAW [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Are you telling me Son of Juggernaut wasn't one of the best comic lines ever?

[–]randomguitarlaguna [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well, I'd say 2010s but I agree! Haha I mean honestly a lot of it is dumb, but some of the new characters are kinda cool. I like Kmala Khan and Spider-Gwen and the lady Thor

[–]kminsk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Look at any controversial social issue of any era: civil rights, sufferage, etc. Notice how they all eventually progress from controversial small group, to splitting the country, to eventual mass acceptance. American society has never moved backwards socially, always leaving social conservatives on the wrong side of history

[–]ApatheticMale [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

No.

People will look back at this as the time when Marvel started to realize more people read their books than insecure white dudes. You're on the wrong side of history, not Marvel.

[–]smileimhigh [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Lol, I looked at your history, all you do is tell people they're wrong or that their opinions are stupid so I'll reciprocate.

This isn't about equality its a lazy attempt to cash in on the social justice movement. If you actually gave a shit about what you claim you defend you'd realize stupid marketing stunts like this are far closer to the blaxiopolitation movement than they are to the civil rights movement. Your opinions are terrible, your facts are twisted, and you'll see your own cause gobbled up by the corporate machine before you see the truth.

You know how you can support minority characters?

Buy their comics, go get the new Midnighter.

Show your fandom, make a Blue Marvel tshirt and rock it at the mall.

If all else fails write your own and show the world why minority heroes are awesome.

But what Marvel is doing?

Its not social change or progress its a multibillion dollar corporation (Disney) making money off what's perceived as a pop culture trend. I have no problems with an all minority Avengers hell I even like FalconCap and Miles, but I have a problem with lazy cash grabs.

[–]die-linke 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just want to ask, is this all new ironman going to be Tony Stark? He look too clean in the armor to be Tony. And that pose, it scream teenager to me.

[–]Teter [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Where's Captain Marvel (Monica Rambeau)?? Luke Cage?? Edit: Oops I see T'challa.

[–]spartan_0227 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm ok with having different races and cultures in comics, but it seems like a cop-out to me to give already established superheroes to those races and cultures. I think they should consider creating all new heroes instead.

[–]charizard6377 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Has everyone noticed that anyone in the comments defending the change attacks and calls those who hate the changes names.

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[–]Doubleu1117 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So going forward with Miles and Peter on the same team, what will Miles be called. You can't have two Spider Mans on one team.

[–]IAmFern 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm going to quote someone else from another forum site, because I thought he said it quite well.

"Look, I get that at some points there has to be new elements added to a universe as old as Marvel's. However that's not what this is. Far from it.

This is a blatant attempt to include blacks and women in today's most popular Super Hero team. And of course instead of adding new characters or using existing ones that are female and/or black, they feel the need to ride the coat tails of established popular heroes.

Another slap in the face to blacks and women. They are basically saying that the only way to make people care about your race/gender is to put them into roles made popular by white male characters that people ALREADY care about.

In the past there have been plenty of minority characters in the Avengers. And some of the most powerful and interesting characters have been women. Why not include them?

This is a disgrace not only to women and blacks but to comic fans everywhere."

[–]noodles8503 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

so wolverine is a native american archer now?

[–]centipededamascuswhere's my no-prize 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

No? That's Red Wolf.

[–]Neoxon193 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, that's Red Wolf (as stated). There will be a new Wolverine, we just don't know who it is. Logan will remain dead for the time being.

[–]bobdisgea 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

What is this red wolf dude from?

[–]Maxxbrand 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

PLEASE NO GAY HULK. I WAS JUST JOKING ABOUT THIS.

[–]CaptainMehvel 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I wouldn't put it past them. Look at what happened to Iceman (if you don't know, he's now a gay character..nevermind all that flirting he's done with women since his inception - the straight white male thing was apparently all a ploy!)

[–]ApatheticMale -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Iceman is gay in Ultimate Comics and that in itself was based on the fact that people had always suspected he was, because he seemed a little over-the-top in his flirtation with women. It made all the sense in the world for him to have been in the closet; the only issue I had with that is how Jean outed him instead of letting him do it himself.

[–]Murozaki -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I love how people keep saying this is pandering to the PC crowd when all of these changes make complete sense.

Also, the new Hulk will probably be the Maestro.

[–]ApatheticMale [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's mostly people who don't even read comics who are complaining because they don't see how these stories have been progressing and occuring organically, so they just ASSUME they've been shorehorned in for the sake of it.

[–]ApatheticMale [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I'm glad Axel and Marvel aren't backing down because of criticism from mouthbreathers on the Internet. I really like Iron Man's new design and I'm excited to see new, fresh incarnations of characters represented by new people.

[–]BlueBlurDown [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How does it feel to be a mouthbreather? Do you breath better or is it louder? Can you tell me how it feels being a mouthbreather, /u/ApatheticMale, can you tell me how you really feel?

[–]Spankcake -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'm honestly considering dropping Marvel comics after secret wars.

[–]ApatheticMale [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Good. Stop coming here too.

[–]Spankcake [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Still interested in the movies, so no I'll keep coming here. Furthermore I said considering not definitely so there's that as well. :)

[–]LRedditor15 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Well, if there's rude people like you on here he might as well not come back.

[–]ApatheticMale [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How can you blame me? Look at the shit people are saying in this thread. The comic book community is becoming no different than GamerGate.