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[–]TheScamr 62ポイント63ポイント  (15子コメント)

I dont think that is wise. Her former employer was going to wave having her pay their attorney fees if she did not appeal.

They are willing to waive about $1million. You lost, why throw good money after bad?

[–]modsrliars 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

She doesn't comprehend the idea that she could ever lose something.

[–]cragteck 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

When your husband is about to have all your assets frozen, what's another mil?

[–]slapadastic 9ポイント10ポイント  (12子コメント)

Isn't this appeal a part of that negotiating process?

[–]sleaze_bag_alert 83ポイント84ポイント  (11子コメント)

my understanding was that she took them to court and lost. Kleiner basically said 'dont appeal this shit and we will forget about the million dollars in legal fees we spent fighting your lawsuit, but if you appeal it then forget it, we will be getting that money back'.

I can't imagine she thinks she is going to win. I haven't met anybody who is on her side or believes her crap and Kleiner Perkins has more resources than she could ever hope to have and can get the best team of lawyers money can buy for as long as they need. She is only digging herself into a bigger hole. She probably thought it was a sure thing originally when she went after it and counted on the money she would get from the lawsuit, now she not only didn't get the money but is out the money she spent on legal representation as well as quite possibly the money Kleiner spent on legal representation. If she was really counting on the money from winning then maybe she sees doubling down as her only way out of the hole.

So stupid. She was a well paid executive. If she didn't like Kleiner she could have left quietly and had a fucking baller VC firm on her resume and probably go somewhere else and make even more money. But as with so many people today, she felt that she was entitled to even more because she is special. She was making $500,000+ a year, but that wasn't enough.............guess what Pao, most of us hate our jobs and hate our bosses and think we get short changed and we aren't making half a million dollars a year. You poor underpaid woman.

[–]TheScamr 38ポイント39ポイント  (2子コメント)

It is like she lives in a bubble.

[–]marzipanarang 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea, in fairly certain there are plenty of people who will support simply because they want to champion the "cause."

I mean, we've seen how many bloggers will battle to protect known false rape accusers. There's a large network of feminist circle jerks online.

[–]mrsisti 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The way they have cheer leaded this whole thing on the TWIT network has been painful. I've heard Meghan, Leo and Elgan all support her as if she was winning and in the right.

then I saw the video of Leo and his dick pic and I laughed and laughed at the hypocrisy

[–]Patranus 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

I haven't met anybody who is on her side or believes her crap

Guess you haven't met Yishan Wong.

[–]loctek 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

She's a total moron who needs to be run the fuck out of Reddit. It's an embarrassment to be associated with her in ANY form or fashion, and Reddit is absolutely risking its entire future by not firing her within the hour.

[–]JonnyStabbins 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Perhaps we'll be seeing a media full court press here, a la The Kardasians. Maybe this is part of a larger bid to grasp at celebrity.

[–]cybercuzco_2 171ポイント172ポイント  (18子コメント)

I always wanted to comment in a deleted thread.

[–]Bardfinn 67ポイント68ポイント  (8子コメント)


You have been banned from /r/GloriousChairmanPao!


[–]2th 25ポイント26ポイント  (4子コメント)

Why not /r/Paoyang?

[–]Thisismyfinalstand 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

Because if you're that witty, you probably have better things to talk about.

[–]WCC335 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

And yet, here we are...

[–]Thisismyfinalstand 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

At least only the subreddit was banned and not anyone who's ever replied to a comment that contained a link to the banned subreddit.

[–]Ellen_Pao_is_a_cunt 32ポイント33ポイント  (1子コメント)

All aboard the shadow ban train.

[–]LandShark805 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

Beware lest /r/EllenPaosArmy gets you.

Edit: not a joke.

[–]amorphouspanda 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is that for real? I'm really hoping that's ironic.

[–]HappierShibe 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That has to be a joke right?

[–]g2f1g6n1 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

mention her looks. it's the best way to get shadow banned

[–]OdinsBeard 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know what's really stupid about this comment? Searching Ellen Pao in /all has dozens and dozens and dozens of results. From /punchablefaces to /conspiracy and all the jerking subs in between.

Keep tilting those windmills.

*20 hours later, still here...

[–]LeeHarveyShazbot 78ポイント79ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ponzi schemes aren't free.

[–]ken27238 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's going to go well.

Got to get back the money her husband lost some how...

[–]joper90 49ポイント50ポイント  (4子コメント)

Can someone explain how, and I mean the thought processes and the process that she became CEO of reddit?

/edit with a bit of googling i found:

Yishan Wong : I also personally hired Ellen Pao myself. She is a close friend and one of the most capable executives I’ve ever worked with, and I hope she’ll become the permanent CEO.

[–]TehRoot 57ポイント58ポイント  (1子コメント)

close friend

case closed, yay silicon valley nepotism

[–]richmomz 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bingo.

Pao: “It’s a mix. I had a hard time getting a job. It’s out there — I’m not that likeable and I’m a poor performer. Yishan Wong took a chance on me."

http://recode.net/2015/05/27/ellen-pao-speaks-at-code-liveblog/

Bonus points for admitting her former employer's assertions about her professional conduct were correct while having a discrimination case pending against them. I'm sure that will really help her case...

[–]scytheavatar 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not like you will find a lot of takers and people eager for the job of Reddit CEO....... if Ellen Pao doesn't become Reddit CEO, the chances of a bigger tool taking over are extremely high. Remember the really bad CEOs Digg had?

[–]LockeSteerpike 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's how most CEOs get their job.

If you think it's an actual meritocracy up there in the executive suite, you're in for a disappointment.

[–]tbow2000 54ポイント55ポイント  (0子コメント)

You go girl! Factual evidence is part of patriarchy.

[–]SSISSONS90 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nice to know all of you!

[–]Dorfidiot 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

Oh, Ellen. Reddit, we need to talk about a coup.

[–]allanchezar2 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

Check out voat and /r/redditalternatives

It won't be long now before it's time to jump ship to something better. The best part of reddit died with Aaron Swartz, and the trash that passes for reddit employees now are slowly dragging this site into the gutter.

[–]loctek 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks! I and I know millions of others of us have been looking for an alternative to Reddit until they dump the cunt. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that this reply will likely be the last thing I have to say on Reddit until they perform a course-correction.

[–]Marshamarshamarcha 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Check out Hubski. Small but active community. Good discussions.

[–]bigdebe 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've been around hubski a bit and can agree. It tends to be a place of great content - but even better discussions around the topics.

[–]zarkovis 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wonder how long this comment will stick around if I say 'Screw Pao'

[–]Youareabadperson6 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I look forward to laughing at her team's new filing.

[–]optionsquare 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Ellen Pao plans to go fuck herself." Now THAT would make for an amusing headline.

[–]modsrliars 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

She'll lose. And KP will have a field day with her.

[–]oO0-__-0Oo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then she will declare bankruptcy....

[–]Literatewolf 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Link to check if you have been shadowbanned by the SJW cult.

[–]Jerrymoviefan3 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

What a moron throwing away the million that they were waive in legal expenses.

[–]nekurashinen 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

weird, it said this thread had like 27 comments yet all i see is "there is nothing here". ;)

[–]Adelaidey -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Weird, I see dozens of posts time-stamped earlier than yours.

[–]nekurashinen -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Weird, you didn't get the joke

[–]Peace35 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is turning out like Emma Sulkowicz (mattress carrying rape "victim"). Are they so into their own ego to obtain sympathy? Surely they have no willingness to accept their mistakes and move on. At some point it becomes embarrassing for everyone.

[–]SH0AHTIME 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Their whole lives revolve around being false victims.

See, accepting responsibility is hard. Crying about muh patriarchy is easy

[–]-world 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe if she flirted with the judge a little bit...

[–]MonkeyMaskGTAV 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

PAO!

Are you saying pow? What are you saying?

PAO!

Why does he keep doing that?

[–]Mikash33 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Therese Lawless is the name of her lawyer? No wonder she lost.

Shadowban in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .

[–]AHSfav 27ポイント28ポイント  (155子コメント)

I consider myself a feminist (or as much of a feminist as a man can be) and strongly support women's equality and combating sexism. However I think this woman is part of the problem not the solution.

[–]namae_nanka 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

or as much of a feminist as a man can be

Enough to have coined the word itself

[–]marzipanarang 65ポイント66ポイント  (152子コメント)

You are no feminist, sir. Listen and believe.

Feminism is no longer what it was. It has evolved into an irrational anti-male circle jerk movement on the Internet.

You want to challenge conventional thought, but don't ever adhere to a group ideology. They're echo chambers and always lead to circle jerks.

Be a free thinker. Liberate your mind. Challenge convention, but don't go supporting the "Jackies" of the world.

[–]Adlai-Stevenson 14ポイント15ポイント  (8子コメント)

There is a lot of irony in a post saying to stay out of echo chambers advocating for the majority.

[–]marzipanarang 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

I specifically said to challenge conventional thought. You're too far gone. Stop.

[–]Adlai-Stevenson 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Sure that and... dismissing the entire feminist movement, and dismissing the poster above you. It's funny that you try to present this neutral tone of yours.

[–]marzipanarang -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

You didn't really say anyhing there, but I understand you are upset.

I dismissed group ideologies online. Which include feminism. You're caught in a circle jerk, so I understand you aren't ready to hear what im saying. That's fine. You can believe what you want. I no longer care about making the world a better place. I merely speak my mind and let you all live on the filth you create.

[–]Adlai-Stevenson 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Who do you think feminists are? Do you really think every one of them is just mindlessly brainwashed to follow some stupid kill all men doctrine? Is it possible for you to imagine us as people who came to this ideology on our own accord, and through rational thought and education?

The only circle jerk is the one you subscribe to, and that is reddit's favorite one of dismissing things they don't understand.

You say to challenge conventional thought, but I'm not sure you apply that to yourself.

[–]marzipanarang -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

When I speak of feminism I think of the vocal narrative being pushed.

[–]Adlai-Stevenson 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

So feminism is whatever you want it to be so you can easily dismiss it. I see.

Also I was speaking of feminists. The people, not the movement.

[–]marzipanarang -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

You are being willfully obtuse. calling actions in the name of feminism by feminists feminism is beyond reasonable and rational.

[–]sedgwickian 39ポイント40ポイント  (28子コメント)

This is literally the exact same argument people have made against people who advocate for women's rights since before feminism existed. It's literally never been right. It's literally always been ideologically driven.

[–]wolfsktaag -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

funny. the above came here from SRS, which gives us gems like this man-hating rant. or hate-filled quips like this. own up to your groups views, sweetheart. stop lying your asses off

[–]ROCDThrowaway2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's true though. Nobody gives a fuck about your man opinions.

[–]Aerik 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

there's nothing more circlejerky and irrational than this exact comment showing up on any given comment thread about feminism.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Let's discuss the way feminism has changed in a feminist sub with self declared feminists.

Quick, name one that won't ban nonfeminists for breaking the jerk.

[–]sammythemc -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

R/thepurplepill

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

That isn't really a feminist sub. . .

[–]sammythemc -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a good point. I guess the problem is that there's such a huge current of anti-feminism on this site that you can't really maintain a truly feminist without heavy-handed moderation.

[–]northshore12 14ポイント15ポイント  (73子コメント)

So fucking triggered right now.

[–]fireswater 16ポイント17ポイント  (70子コメント)

I see "triggered" comments all the time in response to posts about feminism, but why is PTSD exclusively associated with feminism on Reddit?

[–]HappyGerbil88 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because feminists, especially the type of feminists that are in SRS, believe that women are so fragile and weak that their PTSD can be triggered simply by somebody disagreeing with them.

[–]sedgwickian 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because Redditors don't know a thing about triggers, PTSD, or feminism.

[–]westbrookswardrobe 6ポイント7ポイント  (21子コメント)

Mockery of triggers/trigger warnings comes from the common redditor's believe that if you are harmed by something that they said, it is your fault for being harmed and not theirs for saying it

[–]LILwhut 3ポイント4ポイント  (19子コメント)

It is your fault if you decide to take offence or be "harmed" by words. It's your choice to be here, if you don't want to be "harmed" either get help, or just stay at home. You are not more important than other people and if you think you have the right to dictate what other people say then you have some problems you need to fix, instead of staying on the internet and getting triggered.

[–]westbrookswardrobe 2ポイント3ポイント  (18子コメント)

An example:

"All feminists are fucking misandrist bitches who are probably fat and can't get laid"

"Whoa, dude, stop being an asshole and using insulting language"

"What, are you #triggered? Don't be so offended"

It's great that you don't want to take personal responsibility for the consequences of the things that you say, but that's not how social interactions actually work

[–]LILwhut 0ポイント1ポイント  (17子コメント)

Better example would be:

"I don't like tumblr feminist, they seem like bitter women"

"Omg trigger warning. This neckbeard is such a misogynistic shitlord and people like him are the reasons women are oppressed"

It's great that you feel entitled to have your opinion be worth more than others but that's not how life works. And yes there are people who are rude on the internet, but then again it's the internet. If you're expecting a nice jolly cafe where everyone is polite and respectful then you have better chances at a prison. It's your choice, no one is forcing you to go online, so it's your own decision that leads to your getting "triggered" and no one else's. Stop being a narcissist and accept reality, instead of blaming everyone else.

[–]westbrookswardrobe 5ポイント6ポイント  (10子コメント)

Accusing me of narcissism is rich. Your entire argument is "people aren't allowed to complain when I insult them because muh free speech." What you and the other people who make this argument never realize is that free speech also entails people calling you out on your shit. Trigger warnings don't reduce free speech. They're common fucking courtesy, like respecting people in conversation.

[–]LILwhut 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

It's not rich, it's what you are if you feel like it's other peoples fault that you are triggered. It's not, you make it seem like we're the problem, but in reality it's you. The only reason you are triggered is you, no one else. It's not other peoples problem that you can't handle words. The world doesn't revolve around you special snowflakes that get "triggered" or "harmed" by words on the internet.

I didn't mention free speech but whatever, that is irrelevant as free speech only means the government can't censor your opinion.

Trigger warnings are stupid and instead of warning people of "triggers" I suggest pointing to them to get help, because if you really have problems with words on the internet then you really need it.

And on the note of common courtesy it's also considered pretty rude to call out people on something. If you really feel the need to do it, then suggest to them that they are being rude or disrespectful to others. Unlike your example, that never happens. Instead you go and bitch about it on subs like srs.

[–]sedgwickian 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Please point me to one person on reddit seriously asking for a trigger warning from somebody who says "I don't like tumblr feminist, they seem like bitter women.' One. Please. I'll wait.

[–]LILwhut 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Please point to me someone who says "All feminists are fucking misandrist bitches who are probably fat and can't get laid" and when asked to "stop being an asshole and using insulting language" responds with "#triggered" and "don't be so offended". One. Please. I'll wait.

[–]fireswater -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess this makes sense, it still seems like a weird thing to show up on every comment about feminism on Reddit, the connection is so tangential and the jokes always just make fun of those who have their PTSD (or other mental illnesses) triggered rather than feminists whining about trigger warnings, which is I guess what is supposed to be funny.

[–]Terkala 3ポイント4ポイント  (45子コメント)

There are a lot of third-wave feminists who think that everything even remotely upsetting should come with "trigger warnings".

[–]fireswater 14ポイント15ポイント  (44子コメント)

I guess I don't really see why this is something people are upset about or find funny. If you had a friend who had been to war or been assaulted and had triggers and mentioned to you what they were to avoid experiencing PTSD, where exactly is the joke? Why does this make them a feminist?

I see your point, feminists might tag trigger warnings on things they post or whatever because they don't know who in their audience has what triggers, maybe they do this more than other people, but the only goal is to make sure everybody has an enjoyable time. You can just stay off of websites that do this if it's annoying to you, just like people with PTSD who don't like having PTSD might stick to websites where triggers are tagged so they can avoid certain content. I don't really get why this is an issue of contention or particularly humorous.

[–]Terkala 4ポイント5ポイント  (38子コメント)

There are certainly places for discussion where this might be relevant (ie: ptsd focused websites/forums). Unfortunately, many ignorant people insist that every website everywhere should contain these sort of warnings for the most trivial of content.

When people who insist on trigger warnings for everything come out of the insulated bubble of the internet in which they live, their demands end up seeming ridiculous and out of place. Which is why the parody of this behavior has become so common.

[–]fireswater 5ポイント6ポイント  (37子コメント)

Where have you experienced this? I go to some really feminist sites and some really not feminist sites, and while some places tag triggers and some don't, I've never seen an argument about this like you're describing. Either the website cares or they don't. People with PTSD know they can't go anywhere they want and expect to not be triggered, but they might choose to go to sites where they know that common triggers are tagged because they don't want to suffer if they don't have to.

Also, 'most trivial of content' is a misunderstanding of how PTSD works. If you've been violently assaulted after an argument about breakfast and there were eggs burning on the stove while you were nearly killed, then the thought of breakfast and specifically burning eggs might trigger your PTSD. In that case, the person knows that they can't reasonably go out into the world and expect to never encounter eggs or breakfast. That's just an unfortunate part of their reality. However, they might ask their friends to tag their own blog posts with a trigger warning for that content, however inane or 'trivial' it might seem to everyone else, and the friend might oblige because they care about their friend. Maybe that friend would not serve them eggs, either. That's generally how I've observed these things go. It's not like that person is coming into Reddit defaults saying 'HEY SHITLORDS, TAG YOUR FUCKING EGGS,' which is what most of the jokes seem to assume these people are doing, and that they are all for some reason feminists by virtue of simply having triggers at all. Saying "I'm triggered" is parodying the experience of PTSD and the fact that people can be triggered by weird things because that's just how trauma works sometimes, not the discussion around trigger warnings and its loose relationship to feminism.

[–]BlizzardOfDicks 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

[–]Lily_May 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

So, your smoking gun that trigger warnings are unnecessary and stupid is when students point out that a grown man violently raping and kidnapping a girl (or, in Ovid's version, a child so young she weeps as much for her crushed flowers as she does for her violent rape) is kinda fucked up and not a "beautiful myth for the ages"?

I was horrified when I first read that story when I was ten. The Rape of Persephone is never resolved, no punishment is ever given, instead, she's owned by her rapist, forced to live in Hell, and every other Greek story about her mentions her pain and grief.

It's disturbing as fuck and the inherent misogyny of Greek and later Roman society to accept this should be addressed every time it's taught. It's not cool to spring poetic child rape on people.

[–]fireswater 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This example may be a little extreme, but if this was a normal occurrence then it wouldn't be newsworthy.

1 - How this would affect anybody except those potentially triggered? Why does it even matter to anybody else if a book/text says on the cover what kind of content it contains? How is it any different from a summary on the back that people can read to judge whether or not the book is for them?

2 - How does this negate the fact that joking about triggers is still joking about having PTSD or other mental illnesses? If the claim is that people take this too far, is it that you don't think people with PTSD should get to live better lives if it takes so little? We have handicapped stalls for people with physical handicaps and they block able-bodied people from parking closer and not that many people actually need them. We provide grab bars even in offices with no currently disabled employees. That's a much bigger inconvenience/visible annoyance to those who aren't physically disabled and it is actually legally implemented, do you have the same problems with that? Does the fact that feminists advocate people with physical disabilities somehow make people with physical disabilities less deserving of amenities, or turn them into feminists?

3 - Why do y'all care so much? I care because many of my friends have experienced trauma or are prone to self-harm and I see the value in adding a simple tag to something so they can know what to avoid, and I am also saddened by the fact that PTSD is so flippantly joked about (even if that's not the intent, joking that triggers aren't real/serious has the same effect). Why is the idea of someone being triggered inherently funny?

[–]Terkala 0ポイント1ポイント  (28子コメント)

And we've come full circle to where I suspected this would end.

  1. Ask leading question with obvious answer.

  2. Be personally offended by answer.

  3. Turn on person who presented the answer to your question.

Congratulations on being the exact example of the kind of person this trope refers to. Please return to Tumblr where you can feel safe and coddled in your cocoon of people who all also believe in the same brand of feminism that you do.

[–]Adlai-Stevenson 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or! It could be people like you who intentionally focus on what they want and label it as feminism in order to marginalize it?

[–]Jumbso 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Where were they offended? They asked for evidence of the over use of trigger warnings, and so far, none has been cited. Once again, reddit hating feminists for ridiculous reasons.

[–]fireswater -3ポイント-2ポイント  (21子コメント)

I'm not personally offended, I'm still trying to understand why PTSD is funny to the majority of Reddit. I specifically explained that saying "I'm triggered" makes fun of victims of PTSD and not the discussion around triggers that you are associating with feminism, which is what you find laughable. I do not personally have PTSD, which is why I don't care if I go to Reddit or other sites and see content that's not tagged. I don't try to create a safe space for myself on the internet, I'm simply asking why it's so commonly joked about for a trauma victim to do so. You also haven't explained why you think all trauma victims are predisposed to be feminists who want to spend time on Tumblr, or why being triggered (again, not discussing trigger warnings, since the original comment was "I'm triggered") is a specifically feminist issue.

You haven't responded to any of the actual content of my comment other than how it was phrased. I guess "we've come full circle to where I suspected this would end," with no discussion on your part of the actual issue I brought up (why having PTSD is funny and just for feminists).

[–]veggiter 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think it's often criticized or mocked because it seems to be a part of this tendency to want to police reality and make it safe for everyone. You don't have a right to not be offended or afraid, and trying to create rights like that tend to infringe on the freedoms of others.

I understand the purpose of actually warning people about things, and I think it's considerate, but I think the criticism comes from wanting the rest of the world to behave this way. I think it also comes from people being intentionally hypersensitive and looking for things to be offended about or "triggered" by so as to criticize other people who had no malicious intent behind their words.

[–]fireswater 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I guess I don't see trying to make safe spaces as "policing reality" as long as those spaces are voluntary. Nobody is talking about legally implementing a requirement for trigger warnings, this isn't institutional. You don't have a "right" to not be triggered, but I don't see the humor in asking not to be if it's of no real burden/inconvenience. People can still reject that request. I still don't get why you'd make fun of it, though.

I think it also comes from people being intentionally hypersensitive and looking for things to be offended about or "triggered" by so as to criticize other people who had no malicious intent behind their words.

I just don't think this really happens and I spend a lot of time on feminist-leaning websites. I've seen people mock this on Reddit, though. It seems like such a straw man criticism to me, and a case of people not understanding how triggers work in the first place and so the jokes about it don't really reflect reality. They're mocking something that doesn't happen in the way they think is funny/ridiculous. I still haven't seen any actual examples of this phenomenon in the way it's being described, certainly nowhere to the extent that this is something that is inherently related to any discussion of feminism. What sorts of spaces do you see trying to be "policed"? A handful of trolls and fourteen year olds on Tumblr misunderstanding things does not make for a broad trend in feminism as Reddit thinks it does.

[–]veggiter 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

The joke isn't meant to mock people that are actually triggered by things. It's meant to mock people who preemptively defend others (and themselves) from offense. It would be absurd that someone be triggered by an anti feminist remark, for example, but the joke is that we have to make sure no one is offended.

It's also just one of a bunch of phrases that you only see in feminist or SJW areas of the internet, so it's been turned into a joke to mock extreme activists in those areas or to mock people that view themselves as victims without warrant. I really don't think it's intended to mock feminism in general, as PTSD isn't really related to or exclusive to feminism.

In someone's opinion it was overused, so they made a joke about it. Other people agreed, and it's become a meme. It's a pretty simple concept that happens with all kinds of stuff. There is often some kind of logic behind jokes, but that gets left behind as they grow.

A handful of trolls and fourteen year olds on Tumblr misunderstanding things does not make for a broad trend in feminism as Reddit thinks it does.

I think these kinds of jokes are becoming more prevalent with some of the recent "safe space" developments on reddit. Obviously reddit is not Tumblr, but the joke is used to hint at this "possibility".

[–]fireswater -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

If the joke isn't to mock people with PTSD then the joke shouldn't be "I'm triggered," that doesn't make any sense. Being triggered and being offended are not at all related. People aren't triggered by anti-feminism (unless maybe there were violently assaulted by someone yelling anti-feminist things at them), is that honestly what people think? Triggers apply to people with mental illnesses/disorders. For example, people who have tried to kill themselves may be triggered by images of suicide to be suicidal, people who have been in war might be triggered by fireworks, people who self-injure may be triggered by images of self-harm, people who have watched a love one die might be triggered by similar circumstances to that event, etc. Those triggers cause them to relive trauma or may lead them back to self-harm (suicidal tendencies, cutting, eating disorders, etc). None of that is funny and none of it has to do with feminism in any substantial way.

I know it's an overused joke but it doesn't make any fucking sense unless you straight up think people with PTSD and other mental disorders deserve to suffer and that their pain is funny and for some reason also they're feminists.

[–]Literatewolf 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Check your privilege!

[–]Amazing_Poopstick 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Every 8000 km! I just topped up my privilege, was running low.

[–]strongalfalfa 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

I cannot believe this. Feminism is about equality. Sure there are some problems here and there but it is not a circlejerk by any means.

[–]marzipanarang 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Feminism isn't about equality. Feminism is an ideology that holds to a ton more concepts than simply "equality." You are intentionally simplifying it. Don't be dishonest.

[–]Sabz5150 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

Equality did not craft a legal model that says when a man is abused by a woman, that the man must have done something to anger her and deserves his punishment and subsequently jails him.

[–]westbrookswardrobe 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm gonna need a citation on "feminists support women committing domestic violence against men"

[–]TheVegetaMonologues 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Duluth Model is the most widely implemented domestic abuse program in the United States, and it is a textbook feminist policy. The phrasing of the model itself includes that "men abuse the women in their lives out of a patriachal desire to control them."

In the years after the model was widely implemented, it's architect admitted that she had found no result whatsoever in her interviews with abusive men to support that claim. The Duluth Model is completely ideologically driven, not based in any way, shape, or form on evidence. Still, it remains entrenched nationwide.

The Duluth Model's own website admits "The Duluth Curriculum is designed for male perpetrators" and assumes that the vast majority of female batterers are victims retaliating against men and therefore should not complete batterer's programs when law enforcement gets involved. This is an enormous presumption which is also not evidence-based.

As a result of this model, a man in the United States who calls the police on an abusive wife or girlfriend is himself as likely to be accused of being the abuser as he is to be taken seriously. He is more likely to be arrested himself than his abusive partner is.

So feminists can be said to support women committing domestic violence against men in that for almost 35 years their textbook philosophy has caused American law enforcement practices to enable exactly that.

If you can show me a single feminist rally against this inequality, perhaps I'll accept that they don't support it. It'd be better still if you can show me a popular feminist thinker who speaks out against any of the inequalities that favor women without being called a traitor to her sex.

[–]HappyGerbil88 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

  • Protesting Erin Pizzey, the founder of the world's first shelter for abused women, once she started advocating for male victims too

  • the Duluth Model claiming that violence against men is "trivial"

  • VAWA being named VAWA because feminists didn't want anybody to acknowledge the existence of male victims of DV

  • Feminist organizations like NOMAS claiming that men are not victims of domestic violence and abuse

  • Prominent feminists like Michael Kimmel or Jackson Katz claiming that DV is the result of living in a society that supports and encourages men to hit women (while not approving of women who hit men), and therefore DV should be treated as something that men do to women.

  • Enacting mandatory arrest and primary aggressor laws that effectively require police to arrest the male when called to a domestic dispute, unless it is clear and obvious that the violence was unilaterally the woman hitting the man. This leaves male victims afraid to defend themselves and afraid to call the police, lest they be the ones hauled off to jail (which happens quite often).

Turns out feminists don't support "equality" as much as they claim they do.

[–]Sabz5150 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your citation is the Duluth model which gives legal framework to excuse women from being subject to DV laws. The fact that it was added after DV arrests of women due to primary agressor laws spiked over 400% speaks not just volumes, but entire libraries.

Then there's Mustafa. Kill all of us? Sounds like advocation of violence to me, no?

[–]shavingourbeards 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You, sir, are very wrong about feminism.

[–]Rockhawksam -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

This irony is golden. You are essentially saying be a free thinker! Believe what I believe and almost all of reddit believes!

[–]marzipanarang 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Except I didn't say that at all. You're circle jerking. Go away, tool.

[–]Rockhawksam -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Always with the "circle jerking" response. Do you even stop to realize that a large majority of reddit shares your stupid ass beliefs? You're not some enlightened person because you think feminism sux. YOU are going along with the status quo. Just do some goddamn research and try to think for yourself.

[–]marzipanarang 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stop circle jerking and read what I said.

I criticized group ideologies online, specifically focusing on feminism as that was what was introduced. I would also criticize a lot of redditors for the same things. I have not seen anyone make the same argument I have. They just are against feminism, which is where you get confused because of your circle jerk mentality.

[–]Lily_May -5ポイント-4ポイント  (7子コメント)

Ideology is not a boogeyman word. It is the structure of how people agree things "should be" or "are".

You already subscribe to dozens of different ideologies and groups by just being a person. Your post itself is part of an anti-feminist ideological system because that's how people work.

Don't use scare words you don't actually understand. It doesn't make you seem smart.

[–]marzipanarang 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Group ideologies. Use context to understand what someone is saying, bud. Not gonna waste my time arguing non-points.

[–]Lily_May -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

All ideology is group ideology. The word meaning has "group" in it. Warning people away from "group ideology" means nothing; especially since almost everyone on the planet is at least complicit if not actively promoting multiple ideologies, including the content of that post.

What you said was literally academic-ish babble. It only makes sense if you don't actually know the way academics use those words and terms. It would be like claiming to be "so OCD" about how much you hate it when people use mental illness as a metaphor for other behaviors. It's self-contradictory nonsense, and if someone is even going to pretend to be doing a critique of an influential a movement or concept as "feminism" then they should know what the fuck they're talking about. Using scary-sounding buzzwords does not make an argument good.

[–]marzipanarang 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Keep ignoring context. I said I wasn't going to engage I. Worthless discussions.

[–]Lily_May -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's no context because what you said doesn't exist.

Not to mention that while "feminism" has some overarching concepts, there are also multiple feminist schools of thought. Marxist, anarchist, radical (which doesn't just mean "intense", it has an actual lens), post-colonial, first wave, second wave, third wave, liberal, socialist... There are also "womanists" out there who share many feminist ideals.

Have you even read Butler, Friedan, or Spivak? The NOW statement of purpose? Or even anything by the great terror Dworkin?

[–]AhhhMmm 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think he was just trying to say don't blindly follow a group or movement. It was pretty easy to understand, there's no need to nitpick. Also people can have their own thoughts without following a specific ideology. You don't have to categorize everything as a part of an ideology.

[–]Lily_May 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Almost everything is a product of or a part of a larger ideology--the language you speak, how often you bathe, the clothes you wear, the measurements you use...I could go on.

If you want to make an argument about feminist ideology it might be good to know what that is and what the fuck you're talking about. The original comment was embarrassing.

[–]biglebowski5 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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[–]supersandwich100 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

She can appeal all she wants to, but she's never going to make headway.

[–]Missingnose 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm suuure it'll go better. Positive.

[–]saltytrey 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

In the words of Adele Dazeem, "Let it go."

[–]a_jaxx 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Came here for the lols.