Geocentrism 内の GarretKadeDupre によるリンク Challenge for people who think Earth is spinning eastward

[–]AsAChemicalEngineer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

There's an older paper I posted in this thread addressing it better than I. What I can say is that as a physicist who has taken advanced courses in fluid mechanics, the chaos and turbulence of our atmosphere doesn't surprise me.

Geocentrism 内の GarretKadeDupre によるリンク Challenge for people who think Earth is spinning eastward

[–]AsAChemicalEngineer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Then the outer reaches of the atmosphere co-rotating with the inner portions (meaning the outer portions are moving faster than the inner portions!) should also be a problem.

In my understanding, this is explained by thermodynamics from the Sun's heating.

Geocentrism 内の REDPILLASSHOLE によるリンク There is absolutely no evidence for aether. Why do you still cling to this completely falsified explanation for the universe?

[–]AsAChemicalEngineer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

another star oscillates in the opposite direction.

What? Sources?

Where are these pictures? You're saying the proof I asked for does exist, but without actually showing it to me ... Why?

I've shown you 3 sequential raw images--the first paper cleans those up and graphs them. The second paper then has 8 data points plotted. If you want to raw images for those, email the authors--it's the same team as the first paper with the raw images.

the circular logic I complained about earlier.

Somehow those stars are undergoing oscillatory motion--the crux is that the exoplanet follows that motion (and the independent motion of the star) excluding it as a background object.

Geocentrism 内の GarretKadeDupre によるリンク Challenge for people who think Earth is spinning eastward

[–]AsAChemicalEngineer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

but my point is your claim that the atmosphere was created in a state of co-rotation with Earth defies your own physics.

I don't understand the objection--Neptune, the farthest major body in the solar system was deduced from Newtonian mechanics, before it was observed. Why is the smaller centripetal force (due to extreme distance) a problem for Newtonian gravity when it's used to prodigious accuracy for planetary motion?

As far as the atmosphere is concerned, the original atmosphere is irrelavent anyway as it was mostly hydrogen and helium which escaped--I don't know what motion it underwent, I'd have to see if there is research on it. The atmosphere of nitrogen was generated by out-gassing on an already rotating body--and again, the atmosphere is stupidly close to the Earth surface, a thin shell--the centripetal acceleration of the most of the atmosphere is almost the same as surface rocks.

Dark Matter was invented to explain why the outer reaches of galaxies co-rotate with the central portion

Yes, the outer stars of the galaxy move too quickly. This is indeed a problem.

yet the co-rotation of your primordial atmosphere would suggest Dark Matter is obsolete.

Not following.

Geocentrism 内の REDPILLASSHOLE によるリンク There is absolutely no evidence for aether. Why do you still cling to this completely falsified explanation for the universe?

[–]AsAChemicalEngineer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Okay... Assuming geocentrism... The nearby stars wobble (for some mysterious reason). From the data, the exoplanet wobbles exactly like the star--so it must be as far away as the star is.

Next the star independently moves. The exoplanet which has to almost the sames distance from the Earth as the star also moves with it. They share linear motion.

Last, and here's the icing in the cake... if you take pictures of the exoplanet roughly 20 years--which we did, it's not just three pictures--the planet makes a thin orbit. From the angle of the star's dust disk, we know we're seeing the orbit from the side.

A geocentrist should have no problem with this except that they must provide their own explaination for parallax motion and why it scales with distance.

Geocentrism 内の GarretKadeDupre によるリンク Challenge for people who think Earth is spinning eastward

[–]AsAChemicalEngineer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The planets don't approach zero velocity at the edges of the solar system... I don't know what you're refering to.

where gravity is virtually non-existent.

Who told you this? Gravity is a 1/r2 law, at 400 km up, it's still approximately 90% as strong as it's on the ground. Most of the atmosphere is below 100 km. This is not very far away, just a couple hours drive up.

Geocentrism 内の REDPILLASSHOLE によるリンク There is absolutely no evidence for aether. Why do you still cling to this completely falsified explanation for the universe?

[–]AsAChemicalEngineer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I dont think you understand what those picture mean. Beta Pictoris paralaxes "wobbles" due to the Earth's orbit every year, like hold up your finger in front of your face and alternate closing each eye. Paralax is very sensitive to distance.

Next, Beta Pioris is moving relative to the Earth, this means each year, on top of paralax, the star is in a different location.

This means if the exoplanet is a background object it undergoes an absurd drunken motion. On top of following the star, it also moves in an ellipse--the second paper completes the orbit with data. There is no doubt it itis gravitationally bound.

I'm insulted you call me delusional without even being familiar with the evidence or bothering to read which I provided. You've never treated me this poorly in our previous debates.

Geocentrism 内の GarretKadeDupre によるリンク Challenge for people who think Earth is spinning eastward

[–]AsAChemicalEngineer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's worse than that in some altitudes with the regions clocking 1.3 times Earth's rotation:

  • King-Hele, Allen. The Rotational Speed of the Upper Atmosphere. Space Science Reviews. 1966.

This paper by NASA is quite old, so I'll have to ask some atmo friends to see if the problem is solved, but I expect some combination of thermodynamics and viscousity to play a part. In the meantime, take solace in that the atmosphere of Venus rotates sixty times faster that its surface rotation and that this is still not yet completely understood:

I'm also curious if the high wind speeds of Neptune and Uranus also mismatch their rotations. We have literal videos of Jupiter's mismatch, but I believe we understand that in part to the heat generated by Jupiter's slow compression. So this problem is not unique to the Earth, but a general feature of planetary-atmo.

AskReddit 内の Nerfman2227 によるリンク What's your internet "white whale", something you've been searching for years to find with no luck?

[–]AsAChemicalEngineer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A painting of a bunch of men (wearing white robes?) in what looked like a Roman indoor amphitheater and on the center stage a man was flinging a red robe revealing a nude woman. The men in the audience were agaff and horrified. It might have been baroque painting.

I remember a redditor posted it with the comment "Behold! A woman!"

Geocentrism 内の GarretKadeDupre によるリンク Challenge for people who think Earth is spinning eastward

[–]AsAChemicalEngineer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What little atmosphere the Earth originally formed with would have been co-rotating along with all the other material with congealed the Earth. From there, as the nitrogen atmosphere out-gassed, it would have done so from an already rotating planet.

The fact the atmosphere rotates with the Earth is no more mysterious as why rocks on the surface do so as well.

AskScienceDiscussion 内の nippleguy92 によるリンク Would transporting mass through time require energy?

[–]AsAChemicalEngineer[M] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know what's going on, but,

/u/The_Evil_Within
/u/SwedishBoatlover

cut it out or leave it out of this forum or I ban you both.

Geocentrism 内の REDPILLASSHOLE によるリンク There is absolutely no evidence for aether. Why do you still cling to this completely falsified explanation for the universe?

[–]AsAChemicalEngineer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Beta Pictoris b is the only one with a direct optical image showing movement over a period of years.

Here's the sequential images:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v509/n7498/fig_tab/509041a_F1.html

Here's the paper explaining how it doesn't match the motion of a background object:
http://arxiv.org/abs/1006.3314

Here's an updated paper of the same argument with more data:
http://arxiv.org/abs/1202.2655

There are supposedly countless exoplanets with very short period orbits, so there should be an abundance of such pictures, right?

No, there should not be. Direct optical imaging (with our current technology) only works for a small number of exoplanets which are big enough, close enough to Earth, and far enough from their parent stars:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_directly_imaged_exoplanets

As you can see, the estimated orbital period of all of these are enormous or unknown (except for Beta Pictoris b) meaning there hasn't been enough time to trace out their orbits except. The overwhelming majority of exoplanets discovered today are done so via the transit method where we get lucky and the planet eclipses the star temporarily dimming it. This method is very good at finding small objects with short orbital periods. Here's a study on the transit curves of Kepler-37 which has at least 4 exoplanets orbiting it which all have periods of a few weeks:
http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.5587

The original method for finding exoplanets was determining a star's radial velocity, or hammer thrower's "wobble." To conserve momentum, these stars must be in orbit with roughly Jupiter mass objects which do not emit much light. There are several other methods and we've found almost 2,000 such objects so far, almost 1,000 just in the past year:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methods_of_detecting_exoplanets

The evidence of exoplanets now rivals any other major conclusion known to science. This isn't a surprise, we know about the motions of our solar system, the moons of our solar system:
https://i.imgur.com/dyK6slm.gif

We know about the overwhelming number of binary star systems--stars orbiting stars, we know of stars orbiting black holes candidates. Is the existence of small gaseous or rocky objects being congealed along with their parent stars out of the nebulae and orbiting so far fetched?

Edit: Here's another, I was wrong, we have two examples!
http://w.astro.berkeley.edu/~kalas/images/newcomb_fomalhaut-b.jpg

AskReddit 内の charmillionare によるリンク What suddenly becomes 'uncool' when you reach a certain age?

[–]AsAChemicalEngineer 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which games? Friends and I get together to play board games every weekend, always on the lookout for new stuff. The board game market is a lot deeper than most people think.

askscience 内の fromRonnie によるリンク Why does relativistic mass not affect the gravity of an object even though there is time dilation while inertial mass affects both?

[–]AsAChemicalEngineer 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Relativistic mass is just another way to characterize a massive object's momentum albeit in a way that can confuse everyone. Much like momentum I can always boost myself to a reference frame where that momentum is gone. As far as gravity is concerned, again, relativistic mass will be relevant to reference frame dependent effects (so I can't make black holes by boosting massive objects!!), worse still, as usual everything is more complicated in General Relativity and there are multiple ways to define mass and in some situations it might not even be a well defined quantity as mass can be exchanged with the gravitational field.

However at least in Special Relativity, I cannot do the same to get rid of an object's rest mass. The rest mass is the true quantity which all observers agree on. Relativistic mass came about because in the momentum equation,

p = m(rest)v/√(1-(v/c)^2)  = m(rest)v*gamma
p = m(rel.)v  

E(rest) = m(rest)c^2
E(rel.) = m(rel.)c^2

As we approach the speed of light, the momentum blows up, but the speed doesn't change much, thus the inertia from this reference frame is blowing up. In Newtonian physics we like the idea of equating inertia, acceleration and mass (via p = mv) and thus relativistic mass was born absorbing the gamma factor into the mass.

There isn't anything wrong with doing this, it's all about how you as a physicist wish to define the relationship between momentum and acceleration. The current educational consensus is to place the object in flatspace at rest (away from curvature) and write down the number in the low speed limit--then when we move onto more complicated physics, we carry all the coefficients and factors which modify that number all while keeping "rest mass" a constant property of the object. It's a human choice, we just need to be cognizant of what the math is telling us.

Here's a pro and con relativistic mass discussion by Philip Gibbs and Jim Carr,
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/mass.html
http://www.phys.ncku.edu.tw/mirrors/physicsfaq_old/Relativity/BlackHoles/black_fast.html

Edit: These days, the only two masses I ever see explicitly written are rest mass and invariant mass. Here we need to be careful for in Special Relativity, m(invarient) != sum of m(rest). Motion (which cannot be translated away) contributes to the invariant mass and thus the relevant mass when you want to calculate gravitational effects. In this way, relativistic mass lives on in a subdued manner--by making your hot cup of tea more massive than your cold cup of tea.

askscience 内の Andrewbooboo によるリンク Is it possible that by depleting ground water basins in California, we're promoting the drought?

[–]AsAChemicalEngineer 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The GRACE system is a set of two satellites, the gravity measurements are done by recording how their orbits are perturbed as they pass over areas and they've been recording data since 2002.
http://drought.unl.edu/MonitoringTools/NASAGRACEDataAssimilation.aspx

but wouldn't a higher gravitational pull be more likely to draw storm clouds?

The effect is tiny so no.

The groundwater depletion is a symptom of the drought.

askscience 内の ci0cc0lat0 によるリンク If heat is just the rapid acceleration of particles, then why does it harm flesh and melt other substances?

[–]AsAChemicalEngineer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is going to blow your mind, but the speeds involved are huge. Check out the Fermi speed, or the kinetic motion of electrons in a conductor, like copper: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/ohmmic.html#c2

They buzz around at ~1,570,000 m/s. Ideal gasses (i.e air) at room temperature move at similar speeds: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/kinetic/kintem.html#c4

The mean free path of ideal gasses (at room temperatures and pressures) is generally less than a micron <10-6 meters. They don't get far before hitting something: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/kinetic/menfre.html#c3

askscience 内の ZyroCrystal によるリンク Why does gravity exist? What makes mass attract other mass over an infinite amount of distance?

[–]AsAChemicalEngineer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

for which one cannot write down a non-zero kinetic term in the action.

Weird. I gotta read this.

space 内の CaptainOnBoard によるリンク The size of the biggest black hole to date, NGC 1277

[–]AsAChemicalEngineer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kerr black holes (spinning black holes) are weird beasts. This picture is of an analytically continued Kerr geometry--this means the black hole is assumed not to evaporate and it has always existed. The full GR geometry then includes the wormhole and white hole bits--we get those solutions as part of the Kerr as a sort of package deal due to something called geodesic completeness. The weird think about Kerr is that the geometry repeats itself both in both infinite past and infinite future, leading to a daisy chain of universes.

The reason this happens is that the singularity is behind an inner horizon--you fall into the black hole, get close to the singularity and then pass another horizon that geometrically doesn't need to have the singularly and get spit back out! But when you get spit back out, the geometry doesn't say you have to exit in the same universe! Another way to say this, the singularity is frame dependent, not all observes will see it.

I outline why GR allows wormholes here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/32afe8/according_to_wikipedia_we_have_no_observational/cq9iyr4

space 内の CaptainOnBoard によるリンク The size of the biggest black hole to date, NGC 1277

[–]AsAChemicalEngineer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hawking radiation is generated in the near event horizon limit. The somewhat inaccurate, but yet illustrative picture is radiation via pair production. Pairs of particle/anti-particle pairs are generated near the event horizon stealing energy from the gravitational field, in situations where one particle's momentum is sufficient to kick it away from the black hole (thus dooming its partner to conserve momentum) the black hole loses mass.

Hawking radiation doesn't mean you can escape black holes at least how we understand them today.

askscience 内の trevchart によるリンク Why are General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics incompatible?

[–]AsAChemicalEngineer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is it a mathematical trick to avoid blowup, or is there good physical reasoning as to why one might do it?

This depends a bit on who you ask. I'll give you the optimists answer: Renormalization group (RG), while unintuitive provides a deep understanding of why systems are described by different variables at different scales--how emergent behavior pops up mathematically.

I've studied renormalisation in geometric flows

From the sound of it, it looks like you know about it more than me! I generally point people towards the RG applied to the Ising spin model, so check that out if you haven't seen it already.
http://www.nyu.edu/classes/tuckerman/stat.mech/lectures/lecture_27/node3.html

space 内の CaptainOnBoard によるリンク The size of the biggest black hole to date, NGC 1277

[–]AsAChemicalEngineer -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That stuff redshifts out in finite time. Black holes really are black shortly after forming. If you could still see something recently frozen on the surface, it would resume its decent if you decided to jump in too.

Edit: Discussion of the various frames and phenomenon: http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/schw.shtml http://jila.colorado.edu/~ajsh/insidebh/schw.html