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Pardon Ross Ulbricht (change.org)

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[–]Jdjfkfjf 8ポイント9ポイント  (35子コメント)

This kid is no hero, he ran a $183 million drug, fake documents, etc business. Last time I visited his website before it got busted they were selling cyanide and murder-for-hire there. That's serious stuff, not just a few grams of dope.

Nobody would care if the site was run by a brown Mexican or something, everyone would agree with a life sentence in that case. Lol

[–]lifeboatz 15ポイント16ポイント  (34子コメント)

they were selling cyanide and murder-for-hire there.

"they" was not Ulbricht.

I'm no Ulbricht fan, and not an illegal drug user, but the whole concept of a tech guy given 2 life sentences + 40 years, simply for doing a tech job is insane. The guy who wrote Tor also was complicit (oh wait, that was the US Government!).

I'm sure illegal shit has been bought and sold on ebay a lot.

He should be charged with selling mushrooms, and hiring hit men.

[–]StressOverStrain 9ポイント10ポイント  (33子コメント)

Except it was clearly demonstrated that Ross didn't care what was sold as long as he got his cut of the profits. Illegal stuff slips through eBay of course, but they are proactive about removing obvious stuff and illegal goods are banned in their terms of service, which is a far cry from Silk Road. It was even more blatant on Silk Road; you could put cyanide or murder-for-hire right in the title and Ross didn't care. He just wanted his money. That's what he went to jail for.

[–]cmwillis02G 7ポイント8ポイント  (32子コメント)

Its not that he didn't care, it was the sole purpose of the site, it was advertised and built to accomplish one task and one task only. Facilitating the transaction of ILLEGAL goods.

[–]justusranvier -12ポイント-11ポイント  (31子コメント)

Facilitating the transaction of ILLEGAL goods.

Do you also condemn the criminals who hid Anne Frank's family from the LEGAL authorities?

[–]ReelBIgFisk 10ポイント11ポイント  (17子コメント)

Holy shit you did not just compare Ross fucking Ulbricht to Anne Frank.

[–]tatertatertatertot 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

No. He compared Anne Frank to illegal drugs, actually!

[–]gr8b8m8ir88_8 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, they both kept diaries...

[–]n8u 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The results may vary from becoming a historical figure to life in prison.

[–]justusranvier -5ポイント-4ポイント  (13子コメント)

That is correct. I did not compare them.

If you read a bit more carefully, you might be able to see what I am actually comparing.

[–]etchalon 8ポイント9ポイント  (12子コメント)

You're comparing a family who bravely hid another family of human beings who would be slaughtered by a tyrannical regime, under threat death, with someone who made it so kids could buy some MDMA for Bonoroo.

[–]ReelBIgFisk 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh thank god, for a second I thought he was completely and totally fucked in the head. Thankfully he's just mostly fucked in the head.

[–]magrathea1 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (10子コメント)

No, he just help consenting people hide their personal, private activities from a tyrannical regime intent on controlling our lives right down to what we eat and drink. You are a fool.

[–]etchalon 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

You believe a representative democracy is a "tyrannical regime".

There are no words for how idiotic you sound.

[–]HitMePat 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you implying that murder for hire should be legal?

[–]justusranvier 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

ILLEGAL goods

murder for hire

Move those goalposts...

[–]cmwillis02G 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

No, but frankly that is a silly comparison. The Nazi's were a fascist totalitarian government who had by that point invaded multiple countries, started a world war, and were perpetuating genocide on a startling scale. Ross was selling drugs for profit.

I would concede that the question of morality vs legality is a tremendously complex question that is always difficult to answer. This comparison however (Protecting a group of people from mass robbery and genocide v. selling drugs for MILLIONS of dollars in profits) is willfully ignorant and useless in this context.

[–]justusranvier -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I would concede that the question of morality vs legality is a tremendously complex question that is always difficult to answer.

No, it really isn't.

A lot of people have a vested interest in preventing the answer to that question from being widely known, so they do their best to obfuscate and distract, but it really isn't a hard question at all.

Ethics in one sentence: the only valid moral rules are rules that apply universally.

Anything proposed rule that can not be applied universally can not be a valid ethical principle. The correct term for non-universal rules is "opinions".

The obvious simplicity of ethics is an enormous problem for people whose paychecks, pensions, and world views depend on ethically invalid institutions, so naturally they do their best to make sure as few people as possible obtain this understanding.

[–]cmwillis02G 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Almost no rules apply universally. People are too complex. I'll restate:

The question of morality vs. legality is a tremendously complex question that is always difficult to answer for people smart enough to see beyond the lens of their own beliefs.

We live in a society my friend, the actions of people affect other people.

[–]justusranvier -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's that obfuscation and diversion I was taking about, combined with some insults designed to convince me to self-attack.

[–]cmwillis02G 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's that ducking the question to prevent a challenge to my black and white world view.

[–]magrathea1 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Nazi's were a fascist totalitarian government who had by that point invaded multiple countries, started a world war, and were perpetuating genocide on a startling scale.

Sound quite like the US government's actions to me. Ross was simply helping us to expand our freedom and he helped fight against unjust tyrannical laws.

[–]cmwillis02G 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

hahahaha..........good one

[–]tatertatertatertot 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Do you also condemn the criminals who hid Anne Frank's family from the LEGAL authorities?

I don't equate Anne Frank with heroin.

[–]infected_scab 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

She was a heroine.

[–]justusranvier 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem is that you equate law with morality.

That's legal positivism and it's one of the most destructive forces in the world, as a simple historical example illustrates.