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Answered!Why do so many people hate Reddit's CEO? (self.OutOfTheLoop)

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[–]ilovecreamsodaKnowledgeable 14ポイント15ポイント  (41子コメント)

to quote myself:

Ellen Pao claimed in an interview that "Reddit isn't interested in freedom of speech" 1 2 3 or something along those lines. There was a post made by Alexis Ohanian (/u/kn0thing) that said that Reddit was going to enact censorship policies to create 'safe spaces' that were held to be more important than freedom of speech. For a long time, there has been a lot of distrust in the admins of Reddit and moderators of various subreddits censoring posts that they do not agree with for one reason or another. There is an entire list of communities dedicated to documenting this censorship such as /r/redditcensorship and /r/undelete. So, it is not shocking to some people that /u/ejkp (Ellen Pao) has also admitted to screening Reddit employees for political views that align with her own.

"We ask people what they think about diversity, and we did weed people out because of that”

In other words, she wants to turn Reddit into a feminist hivemind.

In short, there is a LOT of distrust (imho rightfully so) of Pao and the other admins, and Pao has done nothing except throw more fuel on the fire.

Edit: There is going to be a point where they cannot put the fire out anymore. I'm not sure if it has reached that point yet, but the amount of outright distrust in those that run Reddit is such that its causing people to want to see Reddit burn, much like Digg.

Imho, right now they could make moves to de-escalate things by backing off of the social-justice-esque rhetoric and it might do a lot of good. Sure, there are subreddits that are nasty, but in order to have true free speech, you must tolerate them as they must tolerate you. The moment you crack down on them, you harm everyone's ability to speak freely.

edit: added some links

Edit, posting another comment here:

The US Justice System has concluded that hate speech is protected under the first amendment. Like it or not, it exists and while Reddit is ran by a private company, you cannot censor it outright. Its hypocritical of them to do so. You cannot on one hand stand up for freedom of speech in standing against Sopa and Pipa , then stand for net neutrality, after which you then stand and say Every Person is Responsible for Their Own Soul where you say

"We will not ban questionable subreddits"

... to only go and then say,

Reddit isn't interested in being a free speech platform

Its hypocritical and its unwanted by many, if not most people on reddit. Aaron Swartz is rolling in his grave over this, im sure. Imho, /u/kn0thing and /u/ejkp have betrayed the Reddit community and Aaron.

edit: added a quote, links and some other stuff to back my argument up.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/36w9fy/what_is_happening_to_reddit_and_why_are_people/

[–]Toby_O_Notoby 106ポイント107ポイント  (7子コメント)

You know, considering you've posted this twice, you could at least get the quote right. She never said "Reddit isn't interested in freedom of speech" she said:

"It's not our site's goal to be a completely free-speech platform. We want to be a safe platform and we want to be a platform that also protects privacy at the same time." and before that specifically says: "Somebody expressing ideas that aren't consistent with everybody's views is something that we encourage."

Like it or not, it exists and while Reddit is ran by a private company, you cannot censor it outright.

Um, sure you can. Go into your office tomorrow and start yelling racial epithets and see how long you last.

EDIT: Fucking autocorrect.

[–]halifaxdatageek 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

As soon as I read "or something like that" my brain substituted in "I made that shit up, because I know most people aren't going to fact-check me."

[–]shadowbannedguy1 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Epithets.

[–]Schmidtzy 30ポイント31ポイント  (8子コメント)

Private companies can censor free speech as much as they want. The first amendment applies only to the government censoring you. I'm not saying they should but people who think the 1st applies to private companies are idiots.

[–]ooax 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think those statements are meant to refer to amendments as ethnical stances instead of applicable constitutional law. It might not be applicable on this situation but in principle you can address this on a legislative level: for ex. in Germany we do have a gesture we call "Drittwirkung der Grundrechte". It describes the influence of certain constitutional rights on private law.

[–]acratus 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except nobody actually says that; that's a mischaracterization. Saying you're against censorship is not the same as saying I have the government-guaranteed right to say what I want on your platform.

[–]kapanyanyimonyok 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Private companies can censor free speech add much as they want.

Of course they can, it's just that customers (redditors) don't have to like it.

[–]MrFatalistic 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

they can by law, doesn't make it right.

[–]bioemerl -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

And I'll be busy not visiting or using any sites that do not respect free speech.

[–]neonKow 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

And I'll be busy not visiting or using any sites that do not respect free speech.

Pretty much every site has rules that limit what users can post beyond what you can legally post, so good luck with not using any forum, news site, or social media site on the internet.

[–]Schmidtzy 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nobody said you were fixed to come here, delete your account then. Don't worry I'll wait.

[–]bioemerl -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I never said this site didn't. Even the United States bans speech that incites violence, I don't have any issue doing the same until they ban speech based on ideology.

My issue is with the idea it's somehow OK for third parties to ban free speech. It's not illegal, sure, but it's scummy bullshit that should never get approval by people.

[–]TheJimOfDoom 52ポイント53ポイント  (2子コメント)

"We ask people what they think about diversity, and we did weed people out because of that”

In other words, she wants to turn Reddit into a feminist hivemind.

That's a bit of a leap, don't you think?

[–]neonKow 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, I'm pretty sure the parent post is written by someone with severe bias based on the rest of the comment.

If I were running a site with sub-forums that often represent opposing camps on inflammatory topics, I sure would be looking for hires who value diversity.

[–]exaltedgod 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought of that as well. Diversity means a lot of different things to different people. To say that asking someone this question is politically based is a bit of a stretch if not outright misleading.

[–]Throtex 21ポイント22ポイント  (5子コメント)

Ellen Pao claimed in an interview that "Reddit isn't interested in freedom of speech" 1[1] 2[2] 3[3] or something along those lines.

So what do you want Reddit to be? 4chan? There are plenty of outlets for distasteful speech.

[–]phunphun 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

Even 4chan has started a no-tolerance policy with stricter rules than before. It's easier to flamebait/abuse/troll on reddit now than on 4chan.

Complaining about 4chan (its policies, moderation, etc) on the imageboards may result in post deletion and a ban.

If reddit instated this rule, people would be up in arms.

[–]Gen_McMuster -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's why people are abandoning 4chan

[–]SirJuncan 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

People who shitpost.

[–]neonKow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

People have been claiming that every time there's a minor change in the rules. It hasn't happened yet.

This is 4chan, for christsake. They've banned droves of people for an April Fool's joke.

[–]ooax 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Keep in mind that there are huge conceptional differences between Reddit and 4chan. The idea that everything will erode because they decide not to restrict the discussion seems like a stretch to me.

[–]shithandle 55ポイント56ポイント  (1子コメント)

feminist hivemind

Lol

[–]ThatOneChappy 33ポイント34ポイント  (6子コメント)

TIL being against free speech = feminist.

Really?

[–]Coziestpigeon2 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

"We ask people what they think about diversity, and we did weed people out because of that” In other words, she wants to turn Reddit into a feminist hivemind.

I was with you right up until this - when you stopped acting like a grownup and started acting like a redditor.

Still upvoted you, because you brought forward good information with some sourcing.

[–]van_Zeller 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your takeaway from "we search for people who value diversity" is "we want to make a hivemind?" Those two are literally antonyms.